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These countries are thousands of miles away from the #HornOfAfrica, but all have bases in our regions.

- Japan is 9788 km away from the Red Sea
- USA 10400 km
- China 4500 km
- EU 5000 km
- Turkey 3200 km
- And so many others

Ethiopia is only 65 km away from the Red Sea. I can't understand why so many people are upset about #Ethiopia to have a base/port in the Red Sea? Can someone explain to me why?

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[Dark Energy]

Agame Sarcasm aka Eden,
Ethiopia has a conduit to the RedSea through Djibouti. Like many land locked countries, it just needs to pay for the services. Ethiopia is blessed for having productive coffee fields. No one is asking free coffee Ethiopia. Qomal.

[Cigar]

You are an idiot if you don’t understand what we are saying.
The freaking problem and illegal thing is the your lawless country know that Somaliland is a part of Somalia and if Ethiopia was honest it should have made the deal with federal Somalian govt not with a ‘trying’ run away region of Somalia.
To do what Ethiopia is trying to do is violating the territorial integrity of another sovereign nation. Forget the sea, but no other country should be even in a land mass of another sovereign country.
Now you nut case, you asked an answer, right?
Then you got your answer.
Low IQ dumb a’ss.

[Zack]

You are an idiot if you don’t understand what we are saying.
The freaking problem and illegal thing is the your lawless country know that Somaliland is a part of Somalia and if Ethiopia was honest it should have made the deal with federal Somalian govt not with a ‘trying’ run away region of Somalia.
To do what Ethiopia is trying to do is violating the territorial integrity of another sovereign nation. Forget the sea, but no other country should be even in a land mass of another sovereign country.
Now you nut case, you asked an answer, right?
Then you got your answer.
Low IQ dumb a’ss.

YES cigar u are absolutely right in theory your right if ethiopia wants to deal with things regarding sea and if it wants to have a bussiness it should deal with the proper channel which is via Mogadishu . But the problem in here is lets say that if Mogadishu blessed ethiopia to use parts of Somaliland sea, then ethiopia comes to Somaliland and say hey look we have green light from mogadishu to come to Somaliland make way . The government in Somaliland will laugh at them and would never allow them to enter their territory.Now the ideal way to solve this contentious point is if we create a sort of undestanding between Somalia and Somaliland than all of this row can be solved with in 24 hours. So i understand Ethiopia point of view that it is looking for pragmatically a sort of solution how to get things done.


Dr Zackovich

[eritrea]

YES cigar u are absolutely right in theory your right if ethiopia wants to deal with things regarding sea and if it wants to have a bussiness it should deal with the proper channel which is via Mogadishu . But the problem in here is lets say that if Mogadishu blessed ethiopia to use parts of Somaliland sea, then ethiopia comes to Somaliland and say hey look we have green light from mogadishu to come to Somaliland make way . The government in Somaliland will laugh at them and would never allow them to enter their territory.Now the ideal way to solve this contentious point is if we create a sort of undestanding between Somalia and Somaliland than all of this row can be solved with in 24 hours. So i understand Ethiopia point of view that it is looking for pragmatically a sort of solution how to get things done.


Dr Zackovich

That's what I call an unprincipled position.

I mean your stance Zack.

Ethiopia has repeatedly assured Somalia in the past, that it respects its national integrity and territorial sovereignty. There are even international commitments to take into account in this case.

But despite all this, if Ethiopia goes and say to hell with you Somalia, Ethiopia has to think about its own reputation and trust not only with Somalia but with other countries as well.

In any case, it is useless to discuss things with some who have decided to go blind.

But, Ethiopia's government's latest statement speaks volumes about its faltering credibility. As if they have not gone out with pomp and circumstance to show the agreement with Somaliland, rendering Somaliland as an independent state. And now are backtracking without shame and are insisting that they did not intend to recognize Somaliland as an independent state before they gain access to the port.

This in turn means that the old Somaliland gentleman who joined the UAE queen's circus was burned as many did in the past before him.

[Zack]

we dont expect anything lese from ethiopia
they think this is the way they protect their interest which is fine
well we have our ways to protect our interest
if ethiopia wants to be involved in domestic somali affairs there are also for us ways to join the bandwagon in the internal issues of ethiopia
we can also find a way to remove ethiopia from atmis this will make them lose more money we have allot of cards
evertything ethiopia says and does are two different things


About my stance i am opposed to it whole heartly but what i wanted to point out to cigar was the theory of sovreignty is well and good on paper but if one cant enforce an agreement or treaty what kind of worth is it , so from that angle i understand why ethiopia did what it did ,do you understand. imagine if i was ethiopia i would have done the same , this is high level politics there are no emotions only hard line policies and interests inded


dr zackovich

[Zack]

by the way if the ethiopians back track from the recognition deal for Somaliland then the deal is dead before its inception , There is no way the Government of Somaliland will accept a naval base on their land Territory for over half a century . With out Ethiopia to make it official. I hope the Ethiopians dont keep their word and deal. Then the whole deal is off . and that is good for every one. Ethiopia to remain land locked.

let me be devils advocate as i know Somalis and their different objectives
But this is also good lets say Ethiopia says we will recognise Somaliland after we get the naval base lets say the Somaliland government believes them and then after what a month or two the Ethiopians still havent recognised Somaliland. Maybe the Ethiopians want to hold that land or occupy it well that will create a war . they cant hold it with out the consent of Somaliland. So its not gonne fly if they think they can hold the land with out conceding recognition i dont think it going to fruition . U have to understand for the Somaliland perspective for them the recognition from any country is worth more then a billion dollar share in Ethiopian airlines.


Dr Zackovich

[eritrea]

We don't even know who is behind all this circus.

Why Ethiopia would need a naval base is beyond me also.

A country that cannot afford to pay 33 million dollars in interest rate which is officially on default is ready to invest in something so big that needs enormous money and resources may exist in the world of dreams but not in reality as far as I am concerned. But, I deeply suspect it is UAE which is behind all this craziness.

There are some who claim. there are countries that also rent bases in other countries and so on, but what they forget is, these countries also have their own ports and bases in their home countries. In case, something goes wrong as well.

Imagine if after 50 years of construction of the naval base you find yourself evicted by the owner.

[eden]

You are an idiot if you don’t understand what we are saying.
The freaking problem and illegal thing is the your lawless country know that Somaliland is a part of Somalia and if Ethiopia was honest it should have made the deal with federal Somalian govt not with a ‘trying’ run away region of Somalia.
To do what Ethiopia is trying to do is violating the territorial integrity of another sovereign nation. Forget the sea, but no other country should be even in a land mass of another sovereign country.
Now you nut case, you asked an answer, right?
Then you got your answer.

Dear Cigar,

I thought about your post and I don’t disagree with it but a question that immediately came to my mind is this:

Isn’t it hypocritical for us Eritreans to point out the proper channel for Ethiopia is to respect Somalia’s sovereignty and through Mogadishu? We are the one who worked hand and gloves with one region of Ethiopia (our cousins) to remove the sovereign Ethiopian government.

[Assegid S.]

Ethiopia is only 65 km away from the Red Sea. I can't understand why so many people are upset about #Ethiopia to have a base/port in the Red Sea? Can someone explain to me why?

Honestly speaking, not only 'Somalianders, I'm having difficulty to understand this too

As far as I understood this ireful discussion regarding Ethio-Somaliland deal, no body is against the attainment of the port whether it is through some sort of lease for certain age or as a lifetime heritage. The issue here is not THE MATERIAL (the port) bought but THE CURRENCY used in the transaction (illegal recognition of Somaliland). USA, China, or Turkey didn’t move to get a port/base in a break away region that secedes from the main land. We can’t demand the world to look this and sit mum. In a very simple term, it is like letting Ethiopia to deal (pay) with ‘illegal or forged money’ that would have impact in the economy ... not only locally but also internationally.

This irresponsible act of Oromuma government has a serious CONTINENTAL as well as GLOBAL consequences which the country is not yet ready to defend politically (diplomatically) and militarily. Chanting a dangerous deal just because it 'hurts' others to soothe a long-held grievance is not a nationalistic move.

Wish you and all ER participants a HAPPY ETHIOPIAN CHRISTMAS!

[Zack]

We don't even know who is behind all this circus.

Why Ethiopia would need a naval base is beyond me also.

A country that cannot afford to pay 33 million dollars in interest rate which is officially on default is ready to invest in something so big that needs enormous money and resources may exist in the world of dreams but not in reality as far as I am concerned. But, I deeply suspect it is UAE which is behind all this craziness.

There are some who claim. there are countries that also rent bases in other countries and so on, but what they forget is, these countries also have their own ports and bases in their home countries. In case, something goes wrong as well.

Imagine if after 50 years of construction of the naval base you find yourself evicted by the owner.

First of all we have to understand that after Eritrea independence from Ethiopia in 1993

Ethiopia was psychological damaged beyond repair it was so intense. Meles tried to ease the pain by dealing with Djibouti
how ever it was a painful experience what happend to ethiopia after eritea secession
THEY JUST DONT know how to solve this matter
it could be that uae is involved and other external factors how ever with this deal

Also Abiye is preparing for a show down with egypt on the whole abay dam conflict
So he wants to sit on the red sea to protect him self and to bolster his geopolitical superiority against his foes
i dont think he is broke , he just doesnt want to pay back his debt thats why the galla acting pathetic. Thats all its all a game
if he was really broke , he could have asked the arabs for a loan but he didnt they were willing to pay on his behalf , to get it back later
he has the money he just doesnt want to pay back the debt.

also since he knows his people and they have a national obsession for a sea outlet , he is using that to gain support because has no support from some of the galla the amhara , the agames he had a fall out with the eritreans the man doesnt know what he is doing


dr zackovich

[Sholla Addis]

These countries are thousands of miles away from the #HornOfAfrica, but all have bases in our regions.

- Japan is 9788 km away from the Red Sea
- USA 10400 km
- China 4500 km
- EU 5000 km
- Turkey 3200 km
- And so many others

Ethiopia is only 65 km away from the Red Sea. I can't understand why so many people are upset about #Ethiopia to have a base/port in the Red Sea? Can someone explain to me why?

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I just copy the individual who replied that nonsensical argument.

Read below his post .

Do you have any experience with a permanent naval base?

The countries you listed offer no geographical threat to your area, and there is no border issue.

Ethiopia and Somalia have been at odds for many years, and their proximity poses a threat that will last for future generations.

All it takes is witnessing the joy when Ethiopians finally declare that "they're not landlocked" to disclose the devious strategy that lies ahead of you.

They should use the Port of Berbera to import and export commodities, tax them, and create revenue if they actually intend to do business. However, by permanently transferring your land to a military naval base and building a city, you effectively give yourself a death certificate.

[eritrea]

First of all we have to understand that after Eritrea independence from Ethiopia in 1993

Ethiopia was psychological damaged beyond repair it was so intense.

I am not sure what your observation is based on in regards to the psychological condition that the independence of Eritrea might have brought to the Ethiopian people. We are talking about 40 years of relationship with Eritrea from sep 15 1952 until may 25 1991. You are sounding more like Eden now.

The reason why that relationship ended in a disastrous way, was because Ethiopian leaders violated the agreement they signed to respect. Ethiopia was supposed to take charge of foreign and defense policies while Eritrea was supposed to take care of its internal affairs. That lasted for less than 10 years and the agreement was then declared null and void by Emperor Haileslassie alone. And the end result is what we see today. That is it. You reap what you sow.

I also don't think the Ethiopian people have any knowledge of what is being said in their name.

And it's also not in their interest to be dragged into more war and misery to find things of temporary common interest for all.