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[Horus]

The nationhood of Somaliland has nothing to do with Ethiopia's need for seaport or access to a sea. Somaliland's right to its own country has nothing to do with our opposition to Abiy Ahmed or Oromuma fascism. Our principled stand on this question has to with the deep and true aspiration of the people of Somaliland. With respect to the long term national interest of Ethiopia, the Somaliland nation is a great strategic benefit to Ethiopia in the fractured and conflict ridden Horn of Africa. Support Somaliland's just demand for independent nationhood!

[Zack]

That’s fine whether somalilanders and Somalia people unite is up to them to discuss and come to a conclusion Ethiopia should not interfere in the domestic issues of Somalia but if u believe in self determination on separation based on the will of the people why not return the same favour to the proud Somalis inside Ethiopia who are trapped there for a century and a half . And wished to be free themselves if u want to give the people of Somaliland a referendum don’t be selective give the Somalis in Ethiopia the same treatment and than I will call a spade a spade

Dr Zackovich

[Mesob]

As long as the Arabs such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar or Turkey interfere or plan to interfere in Ethiopian and Horn African affairs by building military and naval bases in Somalia, against Ethiopia, then Ethiopia is expected to destabilize and weaken the region too.

That’s fine whether somalilanders and Somalia people unite is up to them to discuss and come to a conclusion Ethiopia should not interfere in the domestic issues of Somalia but if u believe in self determination on separation based on the will of the people why not return the same favour to the proud Somalis inside Ethiopia who are trapped there for a century and a half . And wished to be free themselves if u want to give the people of Somaliland a referendum don’t be selective give the Somalis in Ethiopia the same treatment and than I will call a spade a spade

Dr Zackovich

[Abere]

Horus,

As usual thank you! Your are the best. Just wondering why this even caused a huge tremor among the forum members. Somaliland issue has nothing to do with Abiy Ahmed. They started this more than 30 years. It is an absurd crime committed to them by the gangsters of the world taking them hostage for Al Shabab ridden Somalia. It is immoral to deny them use their resources to meet their socio-economic needs. What I admire Somaliland is they proved to the world that they were more viable and stable country in the HoA compared with each one of them - even Kenya was rocked by Uhuru Kenyatta and Odinga's affiliated tribe conflict and associated genocide.

Those who do not have peace, trying to rob the peace of Somaliland is just pure hooliganism.

The nationhood of Somaliland has nothing to do with Ethiopia's need for seaport or access to a sea. Somaliland's right to its own country has nothing to do with our opposition to Abiy Ahmed or Oromuma fascism. Our principled stand on this question has to with the deep and true aspiration of the people of Somaliland. With respect to the long term national interest of Ethiopia, the Somaliland nation is a great strategic benefit to Ethiopia in the fractured and conflict ridden Horn of Africa. Support Somaliland's just demand for independent nationhood!

[Horus]

That’s fine whether somalilanders and Somalia people unite is up to them to discuss and come to a conclusion Ethiopia should not interfere in the domestic issues of Somalia but if u believe in self determination on separation based on the will of the people why not return the same favour to the proud Somalis inside Ethiopia who are trapped there for a century and a half . And wished to be free themselves if u want to give the people of Somaliland a referendum don’t be selective give the Somalis in Ethiopia the same treatment and than I will call a spade a spade

Dr Zackovich

Zackovich - You have become a separate country on the basis of being an Italy colony. Now, what kind of logic gives you to the moral right to comment on Somalia matter, a right that is denied to me? Somaliland was a British colony, not an Italian colony and they chose to be their own nation. Now who are you as an Eritrean to deny this right. As for the people of Ogaden, they were never a colony of anybody. They have their own self ruling killil and if they any problem with Ethiopian central government, it is up them to take it up with their government. You have chosen to leave Ethiopia, now you must stay out of Ethiopian affairs.

[Misraq]

The nationhood of Somaliland has nothing to do with Ethiopia's need for seaport or access to a sea. Somaliland's right to its own country has nothing to do with our opposition to Abiy Ahmed or Oromuma fascism. Our principled stand on this question has to with the deep and true aspiration of the people of Somaliland. With respect to the long term national interest of Ethiopia, the Somaliland nation is a great strategic benefit to Ethiopia in the fractured and conflict ridden Horn of Africa. Support Somaliland's just demand for independent nationhood!

Excellent analysis brother Horus. This is a principled stand

Ironically, the skunni askari eritreans who bases their liberation and nationhood on "colonial" map and administration forgot Somaliland was a british colony while somalia proper was an Italian colony. What worked for them they don't want to work for Somaliland

Eritreans desire to entrap Ethiopians and keep them hostage interms of access to the sea is very mean and will backfire as it has done the last 32 years. They are now crying crocodile tears for Somalia not because they like somalians but for the obvious reason. As you said, we are not supporting Abiy Ahmed in this case but in fairness, somaliland can chose whatever she wants and Ethiopia has the right to recognize or not recognize without any prejudice

You can't have the cake and eat it at the same time

[DefendTheTruth]

That’s fine whether somalilanders and Somalia people unite is up to them to discuss and come to a conclusion Ethiopia should not interfere in the domestic issues of Somalia but if u believe in self determination on separation based on the will of the people why not return the same favour to the proud Somalis inside Ethiopia who are trapped there for a century and a half . And wished to be free themselves if u want to give the people of Somaliland a referendum don’t be selective give the Somalis in Ethiopia the same treatment and than I will call a spade a spade

Dr Zackovich

Did they appeal to you that they wanted to be free? Or, are you the same old thug trying to prescribe what is good and not good to others. Everybody around the corner has gained enough lesson from the despot on the northern border of our country. And they know what is good and not good by now for themselves. Bitter pill!

The man has made himself a laughing stock of the whole world.

[Fiyameta]

The same argument can be made for supporting the (ONLF) Ogaden National Liberation Front's quest for Ogadeni independence based on a holistic approach. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Be careful what you wish for.

[eritrea]

We will see where Ethiopian impulsive political decision making will lead the country and the people to, but just don't forget you were forewarned.

[Horus]

Horus,

As usual thank you! Your are the best. Just wondering why this even caused a huge tremor among the forum members. Somaliland issue has nothing to do with Abiy Ahmed. They started this more than 30 years. It is an absurd crime committed to them by the gangsters of the world taking them hostage for Al Shabab ridden Somalia. It is immoral to deny them use their resources to meet their socio-economic needs. What I admire Somaliland is they proved to the world that they were more viable and stable country in the HoA compared with each one of them - even Kenya was rocked by Uhuru Kenyatta and Odinga's affiliated tribe conflict and associated genocide.

Those who do not have peace, trying to rob the peace of Somaliland is just pure hooliganism.

The nationhood of Somaliland has nothing to do with Ethiopia's need for seaport or access to a sea. Somaliland's right to its own country has nothing to do with our opposition to Abiy Ahmed or Oromuma fascism. Our principled stand on this question has to with the deep and true aspiration of the people of Somaliland. With respect to the long term national interest of Ethiopia, the Somaliland nation is a great strategic benefit to Ethiopia in the fractured and conflict ridden Horn of Africa. Support Somaliland's just demand for independent nationhood!

Abere,
The demand of the Soamiland people has moved to the front-burner and all the noise & posturing by local and global entities will slowly die out. Soon all talk will be negotiations, dialogue and back tracking, etc. Somalia's claim of sovereignty over Somaliland is a legal fiction that has neither presence on the ground nor factual basis in history.

[DefendTheTruth]

We will see where Ethiopian impulsive political decision making will lead the country and the people to, but just don't forget you were forewarned.

We will see?

We are already seeing, unless you are in denial of facts in front of your own eyes.

In case still in doubt check with Issu The Merzu. Did he issue some sort of position statement?

If not, what was the gain from the tour he made during the last couple of months to the regional capitals?

[Horus]

We will see where Ethiopian impulsive political decision making will lead the country and the people to, but just don't forget you were forewarned.

eritrea - do you know Somaliland has more population than Eritrea and a more democratic system of government than Asmara?

[eritrea]

eritrea - do you know Somaliland has more population than Eritrea and a more democratic system of government than Asmara?

Horus:

What does that has to do with the question at hand.

the main issue and why we are discussing this matter at the moment is, because

Ethiopia has officially violated AU and UN charters. And the consequences that can follow because of this.

[Sam Ebalalehu]

Horus wrote "Somaliland will be an independent nation." I agree. By any standard Somaliland is exemplary in the region. For the last three decades, Somalilanders have proved being industrious, cultured and democratic. While in the rest of Somalia anarchy was the norm for the said three decades, nation building was for Somalilanders. The Somalilanders choice to be independent of the rest of Somala is a fact. Why anyone chooses to stand against the wishes of all Somalilanders? The colonialists dictate not be shape the geography of the world anymore. That is the thing of the past. If we adhere to the past dogma, Egypt has the sole authority to turn on and off the flow of Nile. That is not the case now guys.

[eritrea]

We will see?

We are already seeing, unless you are in denial of facts in front of your own eyes.

In case still in doubt check with Issu The Merzu. Did he issue some sort of position statement?

If not, what was the gain from the tour he made during the last couple of months to the regional capitals?

He is calmly enjoying drinking his coffee which he got as a gift from the King of UAE's boyfriend without worrying about any conditionality from the IMF, the World Bank or any other borrower country.
That is the beauty of being Eritrean. We do not fill our stomach today to put our future children in a chain of debt from which they cannot free themselves for generations to come.

[Right]

The nationhood of Somaliland has nothing to do with Ethiopia's need for seaport or access to a sea. Somaliland's right to its own country has nothing to do with our opposition to Abiy Ahmed or Oromuma fascism. Our principled stand on this question has to with the deep and true aspiration of the people of Somaliland. With respect to the long term national interest of Ethiopia, the Somaliland nation is a great strategic benefit to Ethiopia in the fractured and conflict ridden Horn of Africa. Support Somaliland's just demand for independent nationhood!

Bingo! Somali Land as a state has been functioning well for several years. They are absolutely free to decide on what is right for them. There is a big agenda behind this noise against Ethiopia.
We wouldn’t have heard any noise from the detractors if it was the UAE who tried to sign a lease.

People, get over it. Like or not, the People of Ethiopia, Somali Land and Somalia will figure it out to work together.

[Dark Energy]

Guys,

There is only one way Somali land could be independent. That is, become very active within Somalian legislative branch, participate in the political process and work very hard to make Somalia a prosperous country. If that does not work, convince the parliament to disintegrate the country like the former Soviet Union did. Ukraine, Russia and Belarus conspired behind Gorbachev and successfully threw him in the unemployment market. Yeltsen was behind the conspiracy. Yesltsen later shrined Putin to take over. That was his last regret in life.

[Fiyameta]

"ሊበሏት የፈለጓትን አሞራ ጅግራ ነች ይሏታል" ፣ እንደሚባለው ነው።

WTF is "Italian Ethiopia?" Does this mean that Ethiopia has much more in common with Italian Somalia than with British Somaliland?

[Jikaar]

eritrea - do you know Somaliland has more population than Eritrea and a more democratic system of government than Asmara?

Horus:

What does that has to do with the question at hand.

the main issue and why we are discussing this matter at the moment is, because

Ethiopia has officially violated AU and UN charters. And the consequences that can follow because of this.

Somaliland case is actually based on the African charter itself. All our borders were marked by the colonials based on Anglo-ethiopian treaty , Anglo French threaty and Anglo Italian treaty. We are not a normal region cecceding from Somalia.

[union]

"Who are you as an eritrean"

Bingo, Horus. There is no Somalian on ER

That’s fine whether somalilanders and Somalia people unite is up to them to discuss and come to a conclusion Ethiopia should not interfere in the domestic issues of Somalia but if u believe in self determination on separation based on the will of the people why not return the same favour to the proud Somalis inside Ethiopia who are trapped there for a century and a half . And wished to be free themselves if u want to give the people of Somaliland a referendum don’t be selective give the Somalis in Ethiopia the same treatment and than I will call a spade a spade

Dr Zackovich

Zackovich - You have become a separate country on the basis of being an Italy colony. Now, what kind of logic gives you to the moral right to comment on Somalia matter, a right that is denied to me? Somaliland was a British colony, not an Italian colony and they chose to be their own nation. Now who are you as an Eritrean to deny this right. As for the people of Ogaden, they were never a colony of anybody. They have their own self ruling killil and if they any problem with Ethiopian central government, it is up them to take it up with their government. You have chosen to leave Ethiopia, now you must stay out of Ethiopian affairs.