Re: The Ethiopian government may soon declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region
Brother Info, let them indulge in their own fantasy . The fate of PP-OPDO is already sealed. It will be similar to ANDM. They will be refugees together in Nairobi. TPLF is smart and a survivor. It will cut a deal with FANO and survive. Wedi Werede & Tsadkan will sing for peace and plea saying "we are not enemies" just like the way they did one year ago.
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If you are an Amhara, then note that the main problem in your society, more specifically in the trouble makers, is one and only one:info wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 18:07After trying to gather more information about Fano's structure and strength, I have concluded that the Ethiopian government may be forced to declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region sooner rather than later.
Fano is not, as I and many first thought, a disorganized local militia operating in a few areas of the Amhara region with no logistics and leadership structure. I have now come to know that a significant number of Amharas including intellectuals, military personnel, merchants, businessmen, farmers, students, the youth, women and many more have joined Fano. This includes many middle and lower-ranking PP officials. They have been voluntarily contributing their money, time and resources for months in coordinating and strengthening Fano. Fano has no shortage of money, food supplies or manpower. It has also been quietly organizing and actively engaging the rural population in the Amhara region. The ill-advised political adventures of the federal and the Oromia regional government such as the attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa were extensively used to easily get support from the rural population.
One thing all of the Fano members and supporters have in common is that they have this unprecedented determination of the ENOUGH spirit. They have absolutely decided to die or liberate Amhara and Ethiopia from the PP regime. I have never seen such determination in the Amhara region before. They see Abiy and TPLF as an existential threat and have decided never ever to be under the yoke of these groups ever again. They are ready to pay any price to get rid of Abiy and his pp regime. This is also the main reason why not even a single Fano fighter surrendered or could be disarmed since ENDF started the war on Fano some 5 months ago. All of them would rather die fighting than surrender alive. On the contrary, we have seen ENDF many times surrendering and being disarmed. This shows you the level of determination the Abiy regime is facing in the Amhara region. The existential threat and the betrayal felt by the Amhara people at this moment is unprecedented and there is absolutely no way Abiy can win this war.
Other than the determination of the people, other factors such as the mountainous terrain and the huge size of the Amhara region make it very hard for the government even to move logistics and supplies let alone to win the war. Fano is and will continue to easily attack and ambush ENDF convoys destroying ENDF's capabilities in a very short period of time. Amhara region is very huge with the highest concentration of mountains than anywhere in Ethiopia and Africa. This is the heartland of the mountain chains known as the Abyssinian highlands. The more ENDF stays in the Amhara region, the more it loses material and manpower and there is absolutely no way it can sustain such losses in the long run.
Due to the unprecedented determination of the people and the logistical nightmare, coupled with the low morale of the Army and the lack of public support, the government may soon have to declare a ceasefire to save what is left of the ENDF. In fact, I honestly don't think the Abiy government has any other option than declaring a ceasefire and trying to seek dialogue with Fano.
We may soon see the government officially accepting the suggested solution by Gedu Andargachew.
Abiy tried to give you Democracy that is an alien idea in the long history of your existence. In that case the easiest solution lies in just revoking what has been undeservedly granted and bring you back to the status-quo.
If you are a paid agent like those many around us and we see and feel everyday, then go on and play them around like your toys, you are not alone in that.
After Horus you must be another kebt trying to act learned ones to try to draw an equivalence between "attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa" (assuming these things indeed happened for a while) and the grandous and horrendous claim of "existential threat", which a child on a street may find superflous.
There is a movement and we hear about it everyday here and there but that movement lacked any sort of tangible cause that has been stated and declared.
In case you are indeed part of the renegade elements in the Amhara community of Ethiopia, who wish to dominate the rest in the 21st century set-up like it was a norm in the past, by just a sheer volume of endless propaganda, then go ahead and try it, you will be served well.
You acted a learned (informed) character and turned back to tell about your advice people to accept the read-outs of the inept Gedu Andargachew, what a lame!
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Re: The Ethiopian government may soon declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region
ንዳቸዉ፣Misraq wrote: ↑19 Aug 2023, 03:31Brother Info, let them indulge in their own fantasy . The fate of PP-OPDO is already sealed. It will be similar to ANDM. They will be refugees together in Nairobi. TPLF is smart and a survivor. It will cut a deal with FANO and survive. Wedi Werede & Tsadkan will sing for peace and plea saying "we are not enemies" just like the way they did one year ago.
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ይህን ከብት ምን አለበት ትንሽ ለማስተማር ብትሞክሩ፣ ብያንስ ሽንፈት (capitulation) ና ተኩስ-አቆም ስምምነት (ceasefire agreement) አንድ አይደሉም ብላችዉ?
አርዕስቱ የምለዉ ስለ ተኩስ ማቆም ነዉ፣ ሀታታዉ ደግሞ ስለማሸናፍ (የጀዊሳ ማሸነፍ)፣ እንደተለመደዉ ማደብሰበስ!
የዚህ ቡድን አይነት ድንቁርና በአለም ታርክ ዉስጥ ታይቶም ተሰምቶም አያዉቅም፣ ሰዎች ከመሬት ተነስቶ አሁን ፕሮፓጋንዳዉን እስከ አፍንጫችን ታጥቀናል ና ማንም አያሸንፈንም ብሎ በእብደት ታዉሮ ጦርነትን የምቀሰቅስ መንጋ።
Re: The Ethiopian government may soon declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region
Mark these points:
- PP is crushed with no chance of repair in Amhara region
- Survived members of ENDF (excluding the tribal addons aka oromia special forces) who understood the evil intent of Abiy are joining Fano in mass
- PP controlled ENDF, I.e Oromia special forces camuflaged with ENDF, will be disbanded and a new bride of ENDF will be born with the alliance of Fano
- Abiy's only exit strategy is to exit from the country
The reason:
- no fano would ever agree to negotiate to stay under a PP led government
- there won't be PP at the helm of tribal genocidal rule
- cease fire will never stop the quest for a change of the genocidal system which has been exterminating specific identities by institutionalising the crimes being committed
- this is possible only by dis-institutionalising state programmed genocides and by revising or rewriting the current tribal constitution in order to ensure the safety and security of every citizen as equal and keep the territorial integrity of the country
Beside the very huge support it enjoys, Fano has also a well thought and sophisticated strategists, contrary to many had believed. I don't want to spill beans but trust me on this.
- PP is crushed with no chance of repair in Amhara region
- Survived members of ENDF (excluding the tribal addons aka oromia special forces) who understood the evil intent of Abiy are joining Fano in mass
- PP controlled ENDF, I.e Oromia special forces camuflaged with ENDF, will be disbanded and a new bride of ENDF will be born with the alliance of Fano
- Abiy's only exit strategy is to exit from the country
The reason:
- no fano would ever agree to negotiate to stay under a PP led government
- there won't be PP at the helm of tribal genocidal rule
- cease fire will never stop the quest for a change of the genocidal system which has been exterminating specific identities by institutionalising the crimes being committed
- this is possible only by dis-institutionalising state programmed genocides and by revising or rewriting the current tribal constitution in order to ensure the safety and security of every citizen as equal and keep the territorial integrity of the country
Beside the very huge support it enjoys, Fano has also a well thought and sophisticated strategists, contrary to many had believed. I don't want to spill beans but trust me on this.
info wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 18:07After trying to gather more information about Fano's structure and strength, I have concluded that the Ethiopian government may be forced to declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region sooner rather than later.
Fano is not, as I and many first thought, a disorganized local militia operating in a few areas of the Amhara region with no logistics and leadership structure. I have now come to know that a significant number of Amharas including intellectuals, military personnel, merchants, businessmen, farmers, students, the youth, women and many more have joined Fano. This includes many middle and lower-ranking PP officials. They have been voluntarily contributing their money, time and resources for months in coordinating and strengthening Fano. Fano has no shortage of money, food supplies or manpower. It has also been quietly organizing and actively engaging the rural population in the Amhara region. The ill-advised political adventures of the federal and the Oromia regional government such as the attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa were extensively used to easily get support from the rural population.
One thing all of the Fano members and supporters have in common is that they have this unprecedented determination of the ENOUGH spirit. They have absolutely decided to die or liberate Amhara and Ethiopia from the PP regime. I have never seen such determination in the Amhara region before. They see Abiy and TPLF as an existential threat and have decided never ever to be under the yoke of these groups ever again. They are ready to pay any price to get rid of Abiy and his pp regime. This is also the main reason why not even a single Fano fighter surrendered or could be disarmed since ENDF started the war on Fano some 5 months ago. All of them would rather die fighting than surrender alive. On the contrary, we have seen ENDF many times surrendering and being disarmed. This shows you the level of determination the Abiy regime is facing in the Amhara region. The existential threat and the betrayal felt by the Amhara people at this moment is unprecedented and there is absolutely no way Abiy can win this war.
Other than the determination of the people, other factors such as the mountainous terrain and the huge size of the Amhara region make it very hard for the government even to move logistics and supplies let alone to win the war. Fano is and will continue to easily attack and ambush ENDF convoys destroying ENDF's capabilities in a very short period of time. Amhara region is very huge with the highest concentration of mountains than anywhere in Ethiopia and Africa. This is the heartland of the mountain chains known as the Abyssinian highlands. The more ENDF stays in the Amhara region, the more it loses material and manpower and there is absolutely no way it can sustain such losses in the long run.
Due to the unprecedented determination of the people and the logistical nightmare, coupled with the low morale of the Army and the lack of public support, the government may soon have to declare a ceasefire to save what is left of the ENDF. In fact, I honestly don't think the Abiy government has any other option than declaring a ceasefire and trying to seek dialogue with Fano.
We may soon see the government officially accepting the suggested solution by Gedu Andargachew.
Re: The Ethiopian government may soon declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region
PP cadres like yourself must be the most LOW IQ creatures, lacking any capacity to logically think and analyze a situation. The only thing I have seen their brain is capable of is that of denying everything. Any task above denying is an impossible challenge for the standard PP cadre. His brain just freezes
So in your PP brain, there was no Amhara massacre in wellega while over million Amhara IDPs are currently in Amhara region. Do you think they are on a vacation? Of course there was no attack on the Orthodox church while over 37 civilians were shot dead by Oromia police inside churches and of course Amharas were not many times prevented from entering Addis Ababa while even the PM in parliament claimed and threatened to continue the practice.
And also in your PP brain, most of the Amhara people doesn’t feel threatened while they are fighting tooth and nail with massive public support to the extent of dissolving the regional government and forcing the federal government to declare a state of emergency and forcing ENDF to use tanks, artillery and drones.
Clearly you are a proof that PP is a collection of very low IQ bunch of people and that explains why it’s at the verge of collapse, faster than any other Ethiopian government in recent years. PP is a government with the least area of control in Ethiopian recent history. It doesn’t control Tigray, over 80% of Amhara is out of its hand and many Oromia are also not under PP.
Continue denying and fooling yourself…
So in your PP brain, there was no Amhara massacre in wellega while over million Amhara IDPs are currently in Amhara region. Do you think they are on a vacation? Of course there was no attack on the Orthodox church while over 37 civilians were shot dead by Oromia police inside churches and of course Amharas were not many times prevented from entering Addis Ababa while even the PM in parliament claimed and threatened to continue the practice.
And also in your PP brain, most of the Amhara people doesn’t feel threatened while they are fighting tooth and nail with massive public support to the extent of dissolving the regional government and forcing the federal government to declare a state of emergency and forcing ENDF to use tanks, artillery and drones.
Clearly you are a proof that PP is a collection of very low IQ bunch of people and that explains why it’s at the verge of collapse, faster than any other Ethiopian government in recent years. PP is a government with the least area of control in Ethiopian recent history. It doesn’t control Tigray, over 80% of Amhara is out of its hand and many Oromia are also not under PP.
Continue denying and fooling yourself…
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑19 Aug 2023, 04:02If you are an Amhara, then note that the main problem in your society, more specifically in the trouble makers, is one and only one:info wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 18:07After trying to gather more information about Fano's structure and strength, I have concluded that the Ethiopian government may be forced to declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region sooner rather than later.
Fano is not, as I and many first thought, a disorganized local militia operating in a few areas of the Amhara region with no logistics and leadership structure. I have now come to know that a significant number of Amharas including intellectuals, military personnel, merchants, businessmen, farmers, students, the youth, women and many more have joined Fano. This includes many middle and lower-ranking PP officials. They have been voluntarily contributing their money, time and resources for months in coordinating and strengthening Fano. Fano has no shortage of money, food supplies or manpower. It has also been quietly organizing and actively engaging the rural population in the Amhara region. The ill-advised political adventures of the federal and the Oromia regional government such as the attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa were extensively used to easily get support from the rural population.
One thing all of the Fano members and supporters have in common is that they have this unprecedented determination of the ENOUGH spirit. They have absolutely decided to die or liberate Amhara and Ethiopia from the PP regime. I have never seen such determination in the Amhara region before. They see Abiy and TPLF as an existential threat and have decided never ever to be under the yoke of these groups ever again. They are ready to pay any price to get rid of Abiy and his pp regime. This is also the main reason why not even a single Fano fighter surrendered or could be disarmed since ENDF started the war on Fano some 5 months ago. All of them would rather die fighting than surrender alive. On the contrary, we have seen ENDF many times surrendering and being disarmed. This shows you the level of determination the Abiy regime is facing in the Amhara region. The existential threat and the betrayal felt by the Amhara people at this moment is unprecedented and there is absolutely no way Abiy can win this war.
Other than the determination of the people, other factors such as the mountainous terrain and the huge size of the Amhara region make it very hard for the government even to move logistics and supplies let alone to win the war. Fano is and will continue to easily attack and ambush ENDF convoys destroying ENDF's capabilities in a very short period of time. Amhara region is very huge with the highest concentration of mountains than anywhere in Ethiopia and Africa. This is the heartland of the mountain chains known as the Abyssinian highlands. The more ENDF stays in the Amhara region, the more it loses material and manpower and there is absolutely no way it can sustain such losses in the long run.
Due to the unprecedented determination of the people and the logistical nightmare, coupled with the low morale of the Army and the lack of public support, the government may soon have to declare a ceasefire to save what is left of the ENDF. In fact, I honestly don't think the Abiy government has any other option than declaring a ceasefire and trying to seek dialogue with Fano.
We may soon see the government officially accepting the suggested solution by Gedu Andargachew.
Abiy tried to give you Democracy that is an alien idea in the long history of your existence. In that case the easiest solution lies in just revoking what has been undeservedly granted and bring you back to the status-quo.
If you are a paid agent like those many around us and we see and feel everyday, then go on and play them around like your toys, you are not alone in that.
After Horus you must be another kebt trying to act learned ones to try to draw an equivalence between "attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa" (assuming these things indeed happened for a while) and the grandous and horrendous claim of "existential threat", which a child on a street may find superflous.
There is a movement and we hear about it everyday here and there but that movement lacked any sort of tangible cause that has been stated and declared.
In case you are indeed part of the renegade elements in the Amhara community of Ethiopia, who wish to dominate the rest in the 21st century set-up like it was a norm in the past, by just a sheer volume of endless propaganda, then go ahead and try it, you will be served well.
You acted a learned (informed) character and turned back to tell about your advice people to accept the read-outs of the inept Gedu Andargachew, what a lame!
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Re: The Ethiopian government may soon declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region
The prospective ceasefire doesn’t yield any hope to the prime minister or his party. We must admit that most of the FACTORS in this upheaval calculus are derivatives of variables from other regions or groups. Some of them are mentioned above as “ill-advised political adventures of the federal and the Oromia regional government such as the attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa” and so on.
Therefore; the BIG QUESTION is, setting aside ‘the ceasefire’ with Amhara in Amhara region, is the Prime Minister capable to manage all those regions (Oromia, Tigray, Gambella, Benshangul, …) and control entities like (OPDO Tribalists, SHENE, TPLF, BPLM, etc)? I don’t think that the PM has any safe route to exit this mess and hang on power for long; if he really has, it is not ONLY 'declaring ceasefire' (on doing anything) in Amhara region but also taking SOLID and SERIOUS MEASURES in other places / parties. To the best of my judgement, he doesn’t have that will or power! The man is nothing but A WHITE ELEPHANT to his party and to the country as a whole.
Therefore; the BIG QUESTION is, setting aside ‘the ceasefire’ with Amhara in Amhara region, is the Prime Minister capable to manage all those regions (Oromia, Tigray, Gambella, Benshangul, …) and control entities like (OPDO Tribalists, SHENE, TPLF, BPLM, etc)? I don’t think that the PM has any safe route to exit this mess and hang on power for long; if he really has, it is not ONLY 'declaring ceasefire' (on doing anything) in Amhara region but also taking SOLID and SERIOUS MEASURES in other places / parties. To the best of my judgement, he doesn’t have that will or power! The man is nothing but A WHITE ELEPHANT to his party and to the country as a whole.
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For the people who initiated a war after feeling itself to have armed to the teeth by means of not a weapon but a lousy and repetitive propagada an exit strategy must be devised before it could be too late. The damage has been done, beyond any hope for a repair.
How should the strategy look like:
it should look like anything but has to spare the only "weapon" they have in stock (the propaganda), else they are done but also have destroyed their image for generations to come". They allowed themselves to get played around, much successfully for those who played them.
Keep lying to ourselves and the rest, till the last gasp, is their moto now.
They equated the death of people in one region of Ethiopia, a dispute in religion related issues (which is by itself a religious matter), and an alleged blockage of their well-trained saboteurs and military fighters to enter the capital to hinder the threat for the residents in the city as an 'extential threat to the Amhara people' and this is haunting them back now.
In any case they have to press hard to spare their propaganda, their boys have started begging for mercy and they are going to see a cessation of hostilities very soon. Hurry up!.
It started with a massive propaganda and will going to end with the same stoff.
How should the strategy look like:
it should look like anything but has to spare the only "weapon" they have in stock (the propaganda), else they are done but also have destroyed their image for generations to come". They allowed themselves to get played around, much successfully for those who played them.
Keep lying to ourselves and the rest, till the last gasp, is their moto now.
They equated the death of people in one region of Ethiopia, a dispute in religion related issues (which is by itself a religious matter), and an alleged blockage of their well-trained saboteurs and military fighters to enter the capital to hinder the threat for the residents in the city as an 'extential threat to the Amhara people' and this is haunting them back now.
In any case they have to press hard to spare their propaganda, their boys have started begging for mercy and they are going to see a cessation of hostilities very soon. Hurry up!.
It started with a massive propaganda and will going to end with the same stoff.
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DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑19 Aug 2023, 08:52Only if you can afford to station 5- 7 million OLF-ENDF, on every inch of Amhara lands
Only if you can afford to station 5- 7 million OLF-ENDF indefinitely on every inch of Amhara soil. Amhara which in reality is the largest population in Ethiopia, home and abroad is bitterly against OLF(Orommuma). There is no chance Abiy Ahmed and his Orommuma thugs will rule Amhara. The people and the land fight them like hell. The war just started off. Five months ago, Amhara was not organized and mobilized. Amhara began to stand as ONE just as recently as a few months back. BEADEN is irreparable damaged , OLF-ENDF institutional composition , command, and mission exposed. Naked Orommuma has no chance to stand in public. This the biggest defeat of OLF.
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If you didn't believe me in the above quote, then here is another programmed tool to run what has been programmed as a hard-copy print:DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑19 Aug 2023, 08:52For the people who initiated a war after feeling itself to have armed to the teeth by means of not a weapon but a lousy and repetitive propagada an exit strategy must be devised before it could be too late. The damage has been done, beyond any hope for a repair.
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Sam,Sam Ebalalehu wrote: ↑18 Aug 2023, 19:28Info, you might have a firsthand information to write such an article. My only source of information about Ethiopian politics is Ethiopian websites. Although not a good source of information, I could piece together and make some sense out of it most of the time. My younger sister, who lives close to the action, who wept in joy when Abiy came to power, do not want to hear the very mention of his name now. I cannot get a word about Ethiopian politics from her.
If what you wrote is close to the truth, I do not see a ceasefire happening. You mentioned not only Fanos but also the whole Amhara do not want to be ruled by Tigrean or Oromo tribalists anymore. If that is true throw the idea of ceasefire out of the window.
I am not doubting the determination of the people of Amhara. That is expected. They cannot keep going on labeled as an enemy for almost half a century.
But to assume such a determined people would be open to ceasefire, and even more believe to trust any negotiation with the Abiy government undercuts your very argument you have tried to make.
it is really your God-given right to refuse to be ruled by any "tribalists" but the problem starts to drift in when you explicitly express your detest for "Tigrean and Oromo tribalists", while also at the same time avoiding to mention even by name the Amhara tibalists themselves. Isn't that a double standard?
I just wanted to mention to you that as a side note.
My main question here is on a totally different point: Your sister made a major shift in her outlook and political situation in the country, when she first wept in joy for Abiy and now doesn't even want to hear his name. These are much intensive and diametrically opposed views. My question to you is if you have also asked her about her reason for such a major change in her views and emotions?
I think this can't happen without a very compelling reason, at least not for a rational person, whose views and decisions are based on reasons.
If you asked her and she told you one, then could you also share that with us?
We may learn something that we have missed so far from such experiences, I guess. This could help us also to shape our own views in the future.
If she doesn't have one, then I am affraid that she too is a victim of the crude propaganda in the country and beyond, which has left many citizens in a state of confusion and apprehension for no substantial reason.
In this case you could have done your sister a favor by trying to show her a logical and rational way of dealing with what we hear and see. It will help her in the future.
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Well written. It eloquently captured the state of affairs in the current crisis in Amhara region. Aby will declare cease fire and engage in negotiations, if he is only wise man...otherwise, this war will bring him down and may be Ethiopia will go down with in aswell. Ethiopia is at cross roads!
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Info...u r great. Abebe Belew is reading your article on his today's program He claims someone in Abiy Administration sent him the article. Is that true?
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DTT, First, my sister is not an exception. In Addis, you could find many who wholeheartedly supported Abiy at the beginning, but who have the same dislike towards him now as my sisters'. The outpouring of support Abiy got at first emanated from people who had believed he might tamper down the tribalization of Ethiopian politics. He might work hard to create a perfect union. That did not happen. When Amharas were killed in Wellega based on who they are, the prime minister did not erupt with anger. He did not say, in Ethiopia, Ethiopians have the right to live where they chose to live. The killings are barbaric and unacceptable, and the government will use everything in its power so that such atrocity never to happen again.
Rather he compared the lives of Amhara children and women with those of American drug dealers who kill one another on turf battle.
If you know how many people die in US with guns, you find ours is so small --- he said something like that. I do not quote him verbally.
As for your claim I gave the Amhara tribalists a pass, you are mistaken. When activists Amharas had formed " ABN," I was one among a very few who opposed it. I believed then still do, tribalists should not the one who chart Ethiopian's future.
But to consider the "Fano" movement tribal is disingenuous. These are people who fought alongside of ENDF when TPLF wildly run all over Ethiopia.
Fano, even if you believe it is tribal, you agree it is the last one to arm. But the prime minister declared it has to be the first to disarm. Why?
TPLF is still armed to its teeth. SHENE still terrorizes Oromia. But the prime minister does not see problem with those. Fanos suspected something sinister was going on, and they fought back.
Rather he compared the lives of Amhara children and women with those of American drug dealers who kill one another on turf battle.
If you know how many people die in US with guns, you find ours is so small --- he said something like that. I do not quote him verbally.
As for your claim I gave the Amhara tribalists a pass, you are mistaken. When activists Amharas had formed " ABN," I was one among a very few who opposed it. I believed then still do, tribalists should not the one who chart Ethiopian's future.
But to consider the "Fano" movement tribal is disingenuous. These are people who fought alongside of ENDF when TPLF wildly run all over Ethiopia.
Fano, even if you believe it is tribal, you agree it is the last one to arm. But the prime minister declared it has to be the first to disarm. Why?
TPLF is still armed to its teeth. SHENE still terrorizes Oromia. But the prime minister does not see problem with those. Fanos suspected something sinister was going on, and they fought back.
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Re: The Ethiopian government may soon declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region
Sam,Sam Ebalalehu wrote: ↑20 Aug 2023, 20:08DTT, First, my sister is not an exception. In Addis, you could find many who wholeheartedly supported Abiy at the beginning, but who have the same dislike towards him now as my sisters'. The outpouring of support Abiy got at first emanated from people who had believed he might tamper down the tribalization of Ethiopian politics. He might work hard to create a perfect union. That did not happen. When Amharas were killed in Wellega based on who they are, the prime minister did not erupt with anger. He did not say, in Ethiopia, Ethiopians have the right to live where they chose to live. The killings are barbaric and unacceptable, and the government will use everything in its power so that such atrocity never to happen again.
Rather he compared the lives of Amhara children and women with those of American drug dealers who kill one another on turf battle.
If you know how many people die in US with guns, you find ours is so small --- he said something like that. I do not quote him verbally.
As for your claim I gave the Amhara tribalists a pass, you are mistaken. When activists Amharas had formed " ABN," I was one among a very few who opposed it. I believed then still do, tribalists should not the one who chart Ethiopian's future.
But to consider the "Fano" movement tribal is disingenuous. These are people who fought alongside of ENDF when TPLF wildly run all over Ethiopia.
Fano, even if you believe it is tribal, you agree it is the last one to arm. But the prime minister declared it has to be the first to disarm. Why?
TPLF is still armed to its teeth. SHENE still terrorizes Oromia. But the prime minister does not see problem with those. Fanos suspected something sinister was going on, and they fought back.
I decided to ask you those questions because I considered you one of the few remaining rational participants on this forum and wondered myself if your sister had any rational reason to shift her mind that much diametrically. I have to conclude now that she too is a victim of the crude propaganda waged in the country and beyond and hoped my comments could spur a self instrospection, for the sake of one's own saftey.
I think you are trying to tell me the PM has the power to destroy any sort of "tribalism" by a sort of a decree or something similar. That is too superficial, in my view.
It may sufficie to state here that "tribalism" (whether bad or good) is constitutionally anchored in the country's political affairs of today and the PM took an oath to upheld the terms of the constitution. I don't think you are someone who may miss this fundamental truth.
He may like to demolish anything "tribalism" or also adores it, we can't say with 100% certainity here, that is his personal views. But we can say with 100% certainity he has no mandate to do that. Please note PM is not a king of a country, if you really wanted to think rationally.
I think it is also dishonesty to state "He did not say, in Ethiopia, Ethiopians have the right to live where they chose to live" and an attempt to twist the facts on the ground to fit into one's own preset agenda.
Fact is that the PM and his government are paying heavily in human lives to protect the lives of innocent citizens. Those victims are not exclusively the Amhara people, please try to inform yourself about who those displaced people are in their mahjority in Wollega, as an instance. The majority are the Oromo people themselves, these ones were not used extensively for the crude political propaganda though, the only difference.
The comparison you mentioned is also not out of step, in my view again, I myself made a similar comparison on this forum after observing the way people use the victims to advance their respective and narrow political agenda of demanding the resigniation of the PM from power. I questioned if the unlawful killing of people may justify the resignation of the leader of a country, then why are the Americans don't do the same? No one answered this question.
Demanding the upholding of the law (law enforcement), and demanding the removal of those who should enforce the law are not the same qualitatively, unless something is basically different are driving the issues. Somebody can't accuse the government failed to try to enforce the rule of the law, if you are rational, while at the same time you can also see how much price it is paying to do the job. A rational person would try to differentiate between the allegations and the facts on the ground before rushing to a judgement and making oneself a good prey of the crude propaganda, for one's own sake.
I don't know the political program of Fano and I would like to comment on it (please forward it to me, in case you have one) but from the publicly stated positions it is an entity to restore the dominance of the Amhara people over the rest. Recently we heard about something called Amhara Popular Front (and this is a front of an ethnic group in the country) and if you are telling me it has nothing to do with a single ethnic group, or if the "Front" didn't join in or take over the Fano, please inform me, I must have missed something here.
Amhara Front, is as tribalist as Oromo, Tigre, Sidama, Somali, etc. Front is, if a double standard shouldn't be a norm.
Yes, I know Fano fought along side the ENDF to protect its country and primarily also its own people of the Amhras. This is normal, people get mobilized to defend one's interest during a war time, and then also demobilized to get back to their usual businesses in the time of no war. Ethiopia had also such states in the whole of its long history. Fano failed on one particular issue on this accont, it proved itself as an opportunist entity, and turned the operation to enforce the law to a one of reclaiming one's lost territory, unlawfully (violation of the law). That episode tainted the good name and reputation of the historical Fano.
Not only that, the entity also started to conduct incurssions into neighbouring regions, like Oromia, Beneshangul (in addition to Tigray) to reclaim a lost territory by means of violence and committed horrendous crimes on innocent people. In such a situation Fano opted to make itself a clear security risk for the country and the law-enforcement body had to act before another crime get committed and propganda materials get manufactutred on a massive scale and the peace of the country and its people put under risk.
About the issue of "TPLF is still armed to the teeth" I have no concrete evidence but the primary risk to security in the country comes from Fano (and to a lessor extent from Shane) than from TPLD itslef currently.
Prioritizing issues according to their urgency is the ultimate responsibility of those charged with the matter at hand.
All in all you failed to point out any tangibile and convincing reason to justify the shift in your sister's views in that short time period.
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Info is good at recycling what ever comes his/her ways but still far better than you, a totally inept, just good at gossiping about something.
Gossiping would have been not so bad but when used as an input to just incite another round of violence somewhere and trade on that as a political capital is evil.
There is no political game in the country today, just trying to plot something and then use it as a propaganda, that is all what you are preying on here.
With the death of a political game is also the total disappearance of a meaningful exchange of ideas, only gossiping.
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There is no way out for the charlanatn. It is like "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" kinda situation that the man put himself in. The identity politics will be rendered useless if the Amhara people are to be represented per the terms of the "suprem law". When we supported the Amhara people to rise up and demand their equal right, it was with very clear head that such demands definitley will end the system as implemented.Assegid S. wrote: ↑19 Aug 2023, 06:33The prospective ceasefire doesn’t yield any hope to the prime minister or his party. We must admit that most of the FACTORS in this upheaval calculus are derivatives of variables from other regions or groups. Some of them are mentioned above as “ill-advised political adventures of the federal and the Oromia regional government such as the attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa” and so on.
Therefore; the BIG QUESTION is, setting aside ‘the ceasefire’ with Amhara in Amhara region, is the Prime Minister capable to manage all those regions (Oromia, Tigray, Gambella, Benshangul, …) and control entities like (OPDO Tribalists, SHENE, TPLF, BPLM, etc)? I don’t think that the PM has any safe route to exit this mess and hang on power for long; if he really has, it is not ONLY 'declaring ceasefire' (on doing anything) in Amhara region but also taking SOLID and SERIOUS MEASURES in other places / parties. To the best of my judgement, he doesn’t have that will or power! The man is nothing but A WHITE ELEPHANT to his party and to the country as a whole.
You can't deny 20 million Amharas living outside of the Amhara enclave their Godgiven rights and continue to function like a country. You can't deny the faire share of the amhara in the country's resource distribution and get away with it foerever. You can't, as a gov't, perpetually displace and ethnically clenase the millions of amahars in their own country and dream about having a stable gov't. The simple and legitimate quest of the amhara people to be failry treated by the "law of the land" will negate the very foundation of the fraud system, and propel its eventual demise.
So, what is there to negotiate? a comple system change or being ready to be dominated by the majority who have been made to appear invisible? The man is doomed!!
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DittoTazabi-1 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2023, 18:01Well written. It eloquently captured the state of affairs in the current crisis in Amhara region. Aby will declare cease fire and engage in negotiations, if he is only wise man...otherwise, this war will bring him down and may be Ethiopia will go down with in aswell. Ethiopia is at cross roads!
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Re: The Ethiopian government may soon declare a ceasefire in the Amhara region
Hello Brother Za-Ilmaknun; thank you so much for the comment. I go along with every issue you raised here and the conclusion: 'the man is doomed!' With all sorts of economic, social, and political catastrophes the man incurred up on the people, it will be MUCH HARDER for him to govern the country even in time of 'PEACE' and 'PROSPERITY' than now in war and disaster.Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑21 Aug 2023, 12:44There is no way out for the charlanatn. It is like "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" kinda situation that the man put himself in. The identity politics will be rendered useless if the Amhara people are to be represented per the terms of the "suprem law". When we supported the Amhara people to rise up and demand their equal right, it was with very clear head that such demands definitley will end the system as implemented.Assegid S. wrote: ↑19 Aug 2023, 06:33The prospective ceasefire doesn’t yield any hope to the prime minister or his party. We must admit that most of the FACTORS in this upheaval calculus are derivatives of variables from other regions or groups. Some of them are mentioned above as “ill-advised political adventures of the federal and the Oromia regional government such as the attack on the Orthodox church, the massacres in Wollega and the blockage of Amharas from entering Addis Ababa” and so on.
Therefore; the BIG QUESTION is, setting aside ‘the ceasefire’ with Amhara in Amhara region, is the Prime Minister capable to manage all those regions (Oromia, Tigray, Gambella, Benshangul, …) and control entities like (OPDO Tribalists, SHENE, TPLF, BPLM, etc)? I don’t think that the PM has any safe route to exit this mess and hang on power for long; if he really has, it is not ONLY 'declaring ceasefire' (on doing anything) in Amhara region but also taking SOLID and SERIOUS MEASURES in other places / parties. To the best of my judgement, he doesn’t have that will or power! The man is nothing but A WHITE ELEPHANT to his party and to the country as a whole.
You can't deny 20 million Amharas living outside of the Amhara enclave their Godgiven rights and continue to function like a country. You can't deny the faire share of the amhara in the country's resource distribution and get away with it foerever. You can't, as a gov't, perpetually displace and ethnically clenase the millions of amahars in their own country and dream about having a stable gov't. The simple and legitimate quest of the amhara people to be failry treated by the "law of the land" will negate the very foundation of the fraud system, and propel its eventual demise.
So, what is there to negotiate? a comple system change or being ready to be dominated by the majority who have been made to appear invisible? The man is doomed!!
Best Wishes, Brother Za-Ilmaknun
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Absolutely!the conclusion: 'the man is doomed!' With all sorts of economic, social, and political catastrophes the man incurred up on the people, it will be MUCH HARDER for him to govern the country even in time of 'PEACE' and 'PROSPERITY' than now in war and disaster.
Believe me the TPLF will not play his card. They are waiting for a perfect time to blow his head.
Who would have thought that he will bend and kiss their [deleted] in just 2 years.