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[Abere]

የማትረባ ፍዬል 9 ትወልዳለች - 9ኙም ያልቁና እርሷም ትሞታለች። ትግሬ-ወያኔ 9 ክልል ወልዳ በመጨረሻም ቀዝና ሞተች። ዐብይ አህመድ በእርጥቡ ላይ ክልል በክልል ቀዘነበት - በጎሳ ተቅማጥ ጎርፍ መሄዱ ነው፡

The epidemic of ጎሳ ተቅማጥ in Ethiopia turned the country into laughingstock of the world. The Tigre -TPLF fecesed 9 sh!t ክልል, the largest bull cr@p being "Oomia" and "Abay-Tigray" where fountain of non-stop ጎሳ ተቅማጥ is flooding many illiterate citizens. In Tigray this dysentery is called "Woya-ne" in the so-called fake Oromia it is known as "ኬኛ ኦሮሙማ". These two sh!t fake regions created tsunami of sh!t tribal governance that have been killing citizens for over 30 years. So, far no tangible outcome have been documented except dozens of landscapes across the country filled with dead bodies and citizens displaced, spread across the globe to save their lives. Now, Abiy Ahmed, the last tribal dysentery carrier is sh!ting himself and lost his mind, he is fainting to fall.

[Axumezana]

How do you want Ethiopia to be restructured ? Commenting on some body's idea or work is simple , but bringing solution is not easy.

[Abere]

Admitting one's mistake is the first step to correction. Thus, accepting የጎሳ ክልል is chronic disease that made Ethiopia terminally ill currently is key. Once the mistake is admitted, the solution would be feasible. Personally, my suggestion would be for Abiy Ahmed to peacefully resign and create an environment where non-partisan independent body takes the leadership of the country as fiduciary governing body in the transition time. I am saying this because, first he is incapable of leading; second, he is TPLF 2.0 with no vision, but with the same stone age, nation, nationalities peoples cr@p stuff - an insult to the sovereign Nation of Ethiopia; worst of all, he is all about sh!t Orommuma.

In the interim period, there will have to be thorough citizens engagement, national debate, experts’ studies about best practices followed by model countries with stable governance, full exercise of individual freedom, convenient for economic development and political administration , be that federal, provincial , or unitary. This give reasonable amount of time for every citizen to form relative consensus and lay groundwork for drafting binding and legal constitution of the country. In the meantime, this interim period give some quality time for citizens to look into themselves, opportunity for forgiveness, awareness creation and promotion of patriotism, indivisible Ethiopiawinet, removal and banning ethnic political parties, banning illegal constitution etc.

The objective reality, whether one likes it or not,የጎሳ ክልል has already failed no matter how much reinovation is done to it. It certainly will be replaced, sadly at the cost of innocent citizens life and after extended period of war, violence and destruction

How do you want Ethiopia to be restructured ? Commenting on some body's idea or work is simple , but bringing solution is not easy.

[Axumezana]

I agree with you banning ethinic based political parties similar to religious parties as per the existing constitution . However, come up with your own clear & simple proposal on how to restructure Ethiopia for better effective & efficient administration, stability, evenly distributed & balanced economic development, empowerment of regional administrations, balancing the power of the center with the regions etc.
If we go to the pre-EPRDF structure you will face stiff resistance from Afars, Somalis , Oromia & others . Even Amharas may prefer the existing structure as they were divided into four provinces on the pre-Eprdf structure. I expect the least resistance from Tigray because it is a net loser on land size ( gained land from Humera, Welkait & Raya - lost land from Afar side ) in the existing structure compared to the pre-EPRDF one.

[Abere]

I thought I shared my thought about the way forward.

1) Abiy Ahmed has to resign peacefully else removed. Non-partisan body charged with the responsibility of leading the country in the interim
2) Nation-wide deliberation, involving grassroots citizenry engagement and feedback, expert taskforce to explore, research and study best practices around the world of stable governance structure. Outlaw TPLF/OLF con constitution all in all
If you ask my opinion, I will prefer provincial administration than ethnic based. What kind of provincial arrangement remains to be discussed. However, national deliberation with an interim period of transition is ideal. When the dust settles and everyone looks inward, citizens will surely know what is right and what is wrong. Certainly, there is no need to talk about ethnic party and tribal federation - it already proved its uselessness. No one deserves to be a hostage of illusionary fear created by TPLF/OLF. To be honest, Tigres are the most to lose from tribal federation. One grand thing that should be clear is Ethiopia is for everyone on equal terms. Every land, resource within this sovereign country belongs to each and every individual citizen. If this does not guarantee, what else do.

I agree with you banning ethinic based political parties similar to religious parties as per the existing constitution . However, come up with your own clear & simple proposal on how to restructure Ethiopia for better effective & efficient administration, stability, evenly distributed & balanced economic development, empowerment of regional administrations, balancing the power of the center with the regions etc.
If we go to the pre-EPRDF structure you will face stiff resistance from Afars, Somalis , Oromia & others . Even Amharas may prefer the existing structure as they were divided into four provinces on the pre-Eprdf structure. I expect the least resistance from Tigray because it is a net loser on land size ( gained land from Humera, Welkait & Raya - lost land from Afar side ) in the existing structure compared to the pre-EPRDF one.

[Axumezana]

I have understood your approach and recommendation. But I want you to come up with a proposed structure ( it could be based on provinces). Identifying the weaknesses of the existing structure is ok but you need to come up with your proposal and we could contuinue with our discussion.
Just to give you some hints on my approach:

- Radically changing the existing structure may face stiff resistance ( as mentioned above)
- Revise existing constitution to make individual rights on the top of group rights ( such as national, sex, religion, ethnicity etc) and Ethiopian rights on the top of any group rights
- Ban ethinic political parties
- Individuals should not be asked for their ethnicity
- Discrimination based on ethinicity should be punished by law ( even talking and asking about it could be banned similar to harassment regulations)
- All special forces to be absorbed into the Federal militery forces
- Regional police to be absorbed into the Federal police & redeligated to regional administrations
- Regional judiciary to be absorbed to Federal and redeligated to regional administrations
- Same constitution for Federal and Regional that gives priority to individual and Ethiopian rights.
- Amharic and the respective regional language to be used as working laungage in every region
- No need for regional administration flag ( only one Federal flag which contains a mark for each region). For example if Amhara decides Lalibella churches to be their mark, and Tigray the Axum Obelisk, and Oromia the Oda tree etc, all could be painted on small scale on one corners of the flag)
- We may have to merge Gambella and Assosa
- Harar to be part of Oromia
- No need for Article 39 *
- Divide Oromia to 4 smaller regions for effective administration.
- Divide Amhara to three regions ( Gojjam, Gondar, Shoa/Wello), for effective administration.
* Tigray has to be given the right to exercise Article 39 ( if people decide to be part of Ethiopia the above conditions apply) ,if Tigray decides to be independent it could be confederated with Ethiopia or be an independent country.

[Selam/]

አያ በሬው - When Axumzena asked you about your opinion, you deflected the question by deferring it to the Ethiopian people to decide. Well, likewise Ethiopians are the ones that decide about Abiy, not you spineless woyane rat.

I thought I shared my thought about the way forward.

1) Abiy Ahmed has to resign peacefully else removed. Non-partisan body charged with the responsibility of leading the country in the interim
2) Nation-wide deliberation, involving grassroots citizenry engagement and feedback, expert taskforce to explore, research and study best practices around the world of stable governance structure. Outlaw TPLF/OLF con constitution all in all
If you ask my opinion, I will prefer provincial administration than ethnic based. What kind of provincial arrangement remains to be discussed. However, national deliberation with an interim period of transition is ideal. When the dust settles and everyone looks inward, citizens will surely know what is right and what is wrong. Certainly, there is no need to talk about ethnic party and tribal federation - it already proved its uselessness. No one deserves to be a hostage of illusionary fear created by TPLF/OLF. To be honest, Tigres are the most to lose from tribal federation. One grand thing that should be clear is Ethiopia is for everyone on equal terms. Every land, resource within this sovereign country belongs to each and every individual citizen. If this does not guarantee, what else do.

I agree with you banning ethinic based political parties similar to religious parties as per the existing constitution . However, come up with your own clear & simple proposal on how to restructure Ethiopia for better effective & efficient administration, stability, evenly distributed & balanced economic development, empowerment of regional administrations, balancing the power of the center with the regions etc.
If we go to the pre-EPRDF structure you will face stiff resistance from Afars, Somalis , Oromia & others . Even Amharas may prefer the existing structure as they were divided into four provinces on the pre-Eprdf structure. I expect the least resistance from Tigray because it is a net loser on land size ( gained land from Humera, Welkait & Raya - lost land from Afar side ) in the existing structure compared to the pre-EPRDF one.

[Abere]

ግንባር ቀደም ውታፍ ነቃይ፤
Yes, Abiy Ahmed has to resign peacefully else removed. It is unconscionable to let an obvious criminal on loose. This is the very first measure which should be taken. You can rant as much as you want the fact of the matter is both Abiy Ahmed and TPLF are two sides of a coin. You are supporting Abiy Ahmed mean by implication you are diehard supporter of Abiy Ahmed. I say it, one does not have to be TPLF to oppose Abiy Ahmed. No body blamed Abiy other than his own crime. His crime is crying out loud. So, he should be removed.

As to the diehard TPLF Axumezena. I put my choice. I already put my preference, which is provincial system.

አያ በሬው - When Axumzena asked you about your opinion, you deflected the question by deferring it to the Ethiopian people to decide. Well, likewise Ethiopians are the ones that decide about Abiy, not you spineless woyane rat.

I thought I shared my thought about the way forward.

1) Abiy Ahmed has to resign peacefully else removed. Non-partisan body charged with the responsibility of leading the country in the interim
2) Nation-wide deliberation, involving grassroots citizenry engagement and feedback, expert taskforce to explore, research and study best practices around the world of stable governance structure. Outlaw TPLF/OLF con constitution all in all
If you ask my opinion, I will prefer provincial administration than ethnic based. What kind of provincial arrangement remains to be discussed. However, national deliberation with an interim period of transition is ideal. When the dust settles and everyone looks inward, citizens will surely know what is right and what is wrong. Certainly, there is no need to talk about ethnic party and tribal federation - it already proved its uselessness. No one deserves to be a hostage of illusionary fear created by TPLF/OLF. To be honest, Tigres are the most to lose from tribal federation. One grand thing that should be clear is Ethiopia is for everyone on equal terms. Every land, resource within this sovereign country belongs to each and every individual citizen. If this does not guarantee, what else do.

I agree with you banning ethinic based political parties similar to religious parties as per the existing constitution . However, come up with your own clear & simple proposal on how to restructure Ethiopia for better effective & efficient administration, stability, evenly distributed & balanced economic development, empowerment of regional administrations, balancing the power of the center with the regions etc.
If we go to the pre-EPRDF structure you will face stiff resistance from Afars, Somalis , Oromia & others . Even Amharas may prefer the existing structure as they were divided into four provinces on the pre-Eprdf structure. I expect the least resistance from Tigray because it is a net loser on land size ( gained land from Humera, Welkait & Raya - lost land from Afar side ) in the existing structure compared to the pre-EPRDF one.

[Selam/]

አያ በሬው - ዘለህ ቀንዱን ያዝከው, assuming abolishing the Killil system & replacing it with the old provincial system would be easy. Your buddy, Axumzena, listed down more reasonable early steps than your blank & dumb statement. I am in favor of following his steps than rushing to remove the Killil overnight. It would actually fade away on its own if the other steps are followed through.

Keep pulling your hair, Abiy isn’t going anywhere. If you have balls, shut the fvck up and go and remove him. ወሸላ!

ግንባር ቀደም ውታፍ ነቃይ፤
Yes, Abiy Ahmed has to resign peacefully else removed. It is unconscionable to let an obvious criminal on loose. This is the very first measure which should be taken. You can rant as much as you want the fact of the matter is both Abiy Ahmed and TPLF are two sides of a coin. You are supporting Abiy Ahmed mean by implication you are diehard supporter of Abiy Ahmed. I say it, one does not have to be TPLF to oppose Abiy Ahmed. No body blamed Abiy other than his own crime. His crime is crying out loud. So, he should be removed.

As to the diehard TPLF Axumezena. I put my choice. I already put my preference, which is provincial system.

አያ በሬው - When Axumzena asked you about your opinion, you deflected the question by deferring it to the Ethiopian people to decide. Well, likewise Ethiopians are the ones that decide about Abiy, not you spineless woyane rat.

I thought I shared my thought about the way forward.

1) Abiy Ahmed has to resign peacefully else removed. Non-partisan body charged with the responsibility of leading the country in the interim
2) Nation-wide deliberation, involving grassroots citizenry engagement and feedback, expert taskforce to explore, research and study best practices around the world of stable governance structure. Outlaw TPLF/OLF con constitution all in all
If you ask my opinion, I will prefer provincial administration than ethnic based. What kind of provincial arrangement remains to be discussed. However, national deliberation with an interim period of transition is ideal. When the dust settles and everyone looks inward, citizens will surely know what is right and what is wrong. Certainly, there is no need to talk about ethnic party and tribal federation - it already proved its uselessness. No one deserves to be a hostage of illusionary fear created by TPLF/OLF. To be honest, Tigres are the most to lose from tribal federation. One grand thing that should be clear is Ethiopia is for everyone on equal terms. Every land, resource within this sovereign country belongs to each and every individual citizen. If this does not guarantee, what else do.

I agree with you banning ethinic based political parties similar to religious parties as per the existing constitution . However, come up with your own clear & simple proposal on how to restructure Ethiopia for better effective & efficient administration, stability, evenly distributed & balanced economic development, empowerment of regional administrations, balancing the power of the center with the regions etc.
If we go to the pre-EPRDF structure you will face stiff resistance from Afars, Somalis , Oromia & others . Even Amharas may prefer the existing structure as they were divided into four provinces on the pre-Eprdf structure. I expect the least resistance from Tigray because it is a net loser on land size ( gained land from Humera, Welkait & Raya - lost land from Afar side ) in the existing structure compared to the pre-EPRDF one.

[Tiago]

The fantasy and the reality of ethnic federalism is in full display in current blood drenched ,lawless Ethiopia.
Very few make a living out of the misery of millions.
Cadres who talk but never question or listen,greedy and unethical politicians and clueless ethnocentric mobs.

Ethnic federalism is a discredited ,Marxists Leninist form of government that led to the disintegration of former Yugoslavia.
Despite its inherent dangers,TPLF and OLF misfits installed it in Ethiopia ,ignoring their western backers advice.

[Right]

The smaller ethnic groups are now fighting each other for a greater role in the Killil policy.
They are nothing but a nuisance for Oromuma.
They will not thrive without Ethiopia as an umbrella.

The way things are going, it looks like we may have 3 countries in Ethiopia. The Republic’s of Oromo, Amahara and Tigrai. That is disintegration.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture and save Ethiopia people are thinking small about their villages.

[Axumezana]

People like Abere( most of them Amhara) are mostly emotionally charged and look for an excuse to oppose every thing, a political group they do not approve is doing. ( mostly with out generating alternate solutions).They also try to give blind eye to the wrong doings of a group they support ( for example they are not willing to criticize Fano members who committed genocide and ethinic cleansing in Western Tigray or those Fano members that were killing Ethiopian army members for the sake of looting their weapons). The only time they will stop criticizing is when they feel their own politicians are in charge. With this attitude of zero sum game , how are we going to agree on the future of Ethiopia ?

[Digital Weyane]

የኛ ተጋሩ ትልቁ ስህተት የዓባይ ትግራይ ሪፑብሊክ አጀንዳችን የባንዳነት ሥራ በመስራት ለማሳካት በመሞከራችን ነው።

ፈረንጆቹ ጌቶቻችን ኤርትራን ለመውረር ትእዛዝ በሰጡን ጊዜ 170,000ሺ የኦሮሞና የአማራ ወጣቶችን በጦርነቱ አስፈጅተን ባዶ እጃችን ተመለስን። በተመሳሳይም ሶማሊያን በመውረር 50,000ሺ ወታደሮች አስፈጀን።

ከሥልጣን ተባረን መቀሌ ስንገባም ፈረንጆቹ ጌቶቻችን የሰሜን ጦር በተኙበት ኡንዲታረዱ ትእዛዝ ስለሰጡን የባንዳነት ሥራችን ይበልጥ አጠናክረን ቀጠልንበት። ግን እንዳሰብነው አልሆነም። አዲስ አበባን ለመያዝ ባደረግናቸው ጦርነቶች 900,000ሺ የትግራይ ወጣቶችና ህፃናት ወታደሮች አስፈጀን።

እንዲህ ከቀጠልን በኡናታችን ትግራይ አንድ ሰው የሚባል ፍጡር ሊኖር አይችልም።

[Axumezana]

Digital ,


Limit the scope of your lies( your Tigrayan master Isaias has never gave you democracy to lie more than him ).

[Digital Weyane]

ኡውነት ተናጊረ አው ሓዲድ ዝህርስ ትግራዋይ እየ። ወይከ ፈተኽ!

[Axumezana]

ትግረዋይነት፥ ንኽትረክብ፥ አርባኣ፥ ማአልቲ፥ ፁም፥ተነሳህ!

[Abere]

You started out well in few instances, but you end up very with the same sh!t TPLF agenda. Which is an ordinary cheap tactic to leave the devil in the detail. Typical stubborn nature of diehard TPLF which brought them to the point of extinction now. There is nothing special about Tigray. Tigres are 1/85 ethnic groups. If Article 39 is valid for Tigres why not to the rest of 84 ethnic groups such as Erob, Gedio, Kembata/Hadya, Kunama, Guraghe, Adere, etc. You are recommending breaking "Oromia" into 4 parts, why not breaking Tigray into 2 parts ( some Tigres are even pushing the proposal on this), or why not Tigray split into and incorporated into Gondar and Wolo, or Afar?

The objective reality is ripe, to ban የጎሳ ክልል and change rebel TPLF/OLF illegal constitution. As indicated the so-called fake regions of "Abay-Tigray" and "Oromia" are the source of this sh!t problem. There is no need to look the problem under the rocks while it is standing tall like an elephant. At this time what the country needs is none ethno-centric leader who can facilitate the transition of the country into non-ethnic based provincial system of administration. The country does not have to waste another decade waiting time while it is bleeding hard. የጎሳ ክልል is an internationally outlawed issue for it is a deliberate arrangement to perform ethnic genocide as it has happened in North Gondar, Mai-Kadra and Wollega against ethnic Amhara.

- No need for Article 39 *
- Divide Oromia to 4 smaller regions for effective administration.
- Divide Amhara to three regions ( Gojjam, Gondar, Shoa/Wello), for effective administration.
* Tigray has to be given the right to exercise Article 39 ( if people decide to be part of Ethiopia the above conditions apply) ,if Tigray decides to be independent it could be confederated with Ethiopia or be an independent country.

[Ethoash]

usa divided by 50 states

those 50 state divided by 3,143 counties

those counties are divided by 19,495 incorporated cities, towns and villages in the United States.


in Ethiopian

we have 9 region (State) or ጠቅላይ ግዛት አላት

those 9 region divided into counties (ክፍለ ሀገር፣ወይም ዞን)

those zone are divided into woredas (districts).

Woredas are divided into kebele, municipalities. This is the smallest administrative division.

S.N.N.P.R.........region (State) or ጠቅላይ ግዛት አላት

counties (ክፍለ ሀገር፣ወይም ዞን)

Gamo Gofa (formerly part of North Omo Zone)
Gedeo
Gurage
Hadiya
Kembata Tembaro
Silt'e
South Omo
Konso
Wolayita (formerly part of North Omo Zone)
Alaba
Amaro (special woreda)
Basketo (special woreda, formerly part of North Omo Zone)
Burji (special woreda)
Dirashe (special woreda)
Yem (special woreda)

Oromia Region......region (State) or ጠቅላይ ግዛት አላት

counties (ክፍለ ሀገር፣ወይም ዞን)


Arsi
Bale
Borana
East Hararghe
East Shewa
East Welega
Guji
West Guji[citation needed]
Horo Guduru Welega
Illubabor
Buno Bedele[citation needed]
Jimma
Kelam Welega
North Shewa
Southwest Shewa
West Arsi
West Haraghe
West Shewa
West Welega
Oromia Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne

Amhara Region.....region (State) or ጠቅላይ ግዛት አላት
counties (ክፍለ ሀገር፣ወይም ዞን)

Agew Awi
East Gojjam
North Gondar
Central Gondar
West Gondar
Wag Hemra
West Gojjam
Bahir Dar (special zone)
West Gojjam
South Gondar
North Wollo
South Wollo
Oromia
North shewa zone

Tigray Region..........region (State) or ጠቅላይ ግዛት አላት

counties (ክፍለ ሀገር፣ወይም ዞን)
Central Tigray
East Tigray
North West Tigray
South Tigray
South East Tigray
West Tigray
Mekele (special zone)


i HOPE u guys understand how the administration division work one zone can be divided 1000 place under their own region the problem is when they ask to be a state i don't understand the wisdom of being state or region u can be zone more then is no problem but when u become a region or state u become alone ... let say u have one billion birr budget but you want to invest 25 billion birr where r u going to get those 25 billion but if u r under big state the state will help u to invest in big mega project if u want to build interstate highway u r in your own ...


now let see how America subdivided their administrate zone .. even so the American have only 50 state they have over 3143 counties or zone ጠቅላይ ግዛት አላት

Those ጠቅላይ ግዛት አላት or States further divided by city which is over 19,000 cities. even Texas alone have 254 woredas (districts).and 150 cities

Those who r asking to become State or Region they should come out and explain what they going to benefit by becoming their own state. I dont see it because not the State govern you your woredas (districts does .. even the city have more power then those woredas (districts so what is the pooin of becoming state is meaningless maybe they might asking to be zone and most of them r.