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[temari]

Government hopes to get 64 billion birr of the budget from international partners and plans to borrow that money from local lenders (local banks/insurances) if it fails to get the money from the international partners.

The budget for the ministry of defense was 20 billion birr 2 years ago but last year it was raised to 120 billion birr or a 500% increase. For the coming year 2015, it will be 100 billion or 16% less than that of last year and a 400% increase from 2 years ago.

[Union]

Just like the Agame before they went down, money was flourshing from the world bank then bingo! They didn't know what hit them!!

[sarcasm]

100 billion out of 785 billion birr is 13% of the country's budget to be spent on military! Compare and Contrast Ethiopian security status under the leadership of TPLF.


Ethiopia: Small Defense Budget, Mighty Military RealClearDefense.com

By Robert Beckhusen
March 11, 2015


There’s a few unusual things about Ethiopia. First, it has a pretty small military budget. Second, it’s in a dangerous neighborhood. Addis Ababa is in a cold war with its heavily-armed neighbor Eritrea and shares a border with Somalia—home to the terror group Al Shabaab.

At the same time, the Ethiopian military is pretty good.

“In part due to previous lessons learned, to date Ethiopia has been able to foil any significant terrorist attacks by Al Shabaab, though not for lack of tryingby the terrorist organization,” OE Watch, the U.S. Army’s Foreign Military Studies Office monthly newsletter, recently noted.

The Ethiopians “scare the Hell out of everybody,” Alexander Rondos, the European Union’s representative for the Horn of Africa, said in 2014.

By global standards, Ethiopia’s military spending as a percentage of its GDP is low—only around 0.8 percent—which puts it in the bottom half of countries.

By African standards, the dollar amount spent—around $330 million per year or so depending on the source—is middling. Ethiopia is one of the few countries on the continent that decreased its defense budget during the past decade, according to data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

Despite this, Ethiopia has one of the strongest armies in Africa, arguably outmatched only by Egypt, Algeria and South Africa. And these three countries spend far more on their militaries, both in per capita terms and in actual dollars, than Ethiopia.

Ethiopia fields more than 135,000 soldiers and hundreds of T-55 and T-72 tanks. Boosting this firepower, Ethiopia bought 200 more T-72 tanks from Ukraine in 2011.

Its air force is tiny, but fields a diverse group of older Russian fighters and more capable Su-27s and Czech-made L-39 trainers. The landlocked country, to be sure, has no navy.

The Ethiopian army is currently the fourth largest contributor to peacekeeping missions in the world when it comes to raw manpower. In short—don’t mess with Ethiopia.

So what is Addis Ababa doing right? Here’s a few tips. Focus on training, try to build weapons yourself and learn from experience.

A lot the country’s success derives from hard lessons learned during the Eritrean-Ethiopian War in the late 1990s. The badly-equipped Ethiopians took heavy losses and tens of thousands of soldiers died.


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[Abere]

This is nothing compared to what was spent in Tigray in three months in the name of rehablitation after TPLF was defeated in Meqelle back in 2020. The problem is not money, the problem is where is the money spent on on real ENDF or OLA(ENDF). Just like what TPLF used to do PP-OLF has virtually turned ENDF into OLA or OLF(ENDF).

[Sadacha Macca]

Abere, and what is your proof that the ENDF is now OLF/OLA? Because in Oromia, where the military campaign is taking place and various war crimes are being inflicted on the Oromo masses; the ENDF is definitely NOT OLA/OLF, and its shown by their actions. If you are referring to the Oromo who defect to OLA, good, they all should, because the ENDF of today, of the past, etc, has always fought for the govt in power, to the detriment of the people. Every state should have their own army, that way, no one can dominate anyone else.

[Union]

Exactly,
Giragn abiy Ahmed is a wahabi olf leader who is on an open war against Amara and anything Ethiopian. So only a fool would not think ENDF is controlled by olf just like Tplf controlled ENDF

This is nothing compared to what was spent in Tigray in three months in the name of rehablitation after TPLF was defeated in Meqelle back in 2020. The problem is not money, the problem is where is the money spent on on real ENDF or OLA(ENDF). Just like what TPLF used to do PP-OLF has virtually turned ENDF into OLA or OLF(ENDF).

[Abere]

I guess we are talking here about the big elephant in the room. The reason why the crisis took so long and all sorts of Western actors get involved is principally the ENDF is OLF/OLF(ENDF). The suffering of Ethiopians, particularly Amhara, Tigre and Afar is due to this very fact. Let 's call a spade a spade. Where has OLF got the ጥቁር መሳርያ etc.? Exactly from the ENDF central arms depot.

Abere, and what is your proof that the ENDF is now OLF/OLA? Because in Oromia, where the military campaign is taking place and various war crimes are being inflicted on the Oromo masses; the ENDF is definitely NOT OLA/OLF, and its shown by their actions. If you are referring to the Oromo who defect to OLA, good, they all should, because the ENDF of today, of the past, etc, has always fought for the govt in power, to the detriment of the people. Every state should have their own army, that way, no one can dominate anyone else.

[Sadacha Macca]

I guess we are talking here about the big elephant in the room. The reason why the crisis took so long and all sorts of Western actors get involved is principally the ENDF is OLF/OLF(ENDF). The suffering of Ethiopians, particularly Amhara, Tigre and Afar is due to this very fact. Let 's call a spade a spade. Where has OLF got the ጥቁር መሳርያ etc.? Exactly from the ENDF central arms depot.

Abere, and what is your proof that the ENDF is now OLF/OLA? Because in Oromia, where the military campaign is taking place and various war crimes are being inflicted on the Oromo masses; the ENDF is definitely NOT OLA/OLF, and its shown by their actions. If you are referring to the Oromo who defect to OLA, good, they all should, because the ENDF of today, of the past, etc, has always fought for the govt in power, to the detriment of the people. Every state should have their own army, that way, no one can dominate anyone else.

No guessing needed-you made a claim, but provided no proof to substantiate it sir. What do you want? Victories over night? Did the derg do that, even when they had billions of dollars of soviet arms and aid? did haile selassie with his modern army, armed, trained and funded by the western nations, achieve overnight victories against the various rebellions he faced [bale rebellion 1963-1970, the first weyane rebellion, etc]??
so what exactly did you think would occur?
the west has always been involved in Ethiopian affairs, in fact, they were the ones who made Ethiopia through their supply of firearms, and training, to the emperors of the past. they always will be as well, especially for as long as Ethiopia is dependent on their funds/aid.

Getting arms for a guerrilla army, is not just as you said, getting it from the so called depot, those arms can easily be captured in wars too- that's how the eplf did it, the tplf, and various others; so OLF/OLA is no different. Not to mention you have oromia police and soldiers of endf who do defect, along with their arms and trucks at times to the OLF/OLA side. no one is a bigger threat to abiy/opdo's power than OLA/OLF-not fano, not shabia, not even tplf; so if you think he's sympathetic to them, or is helping them; you're gonna need some tangible, actual proof. not just heresay.

[Abere]

The fact is OLF has been supplied military weapons from the ENDF head quarter. OLF gets all its logistical and military intelligence from the ENDF head quarter. The vehicles, the weapons, the trainings are all financed and supported by ENDF. The evidence are plenty. Even during the TPLF's era, Abiy Ahmed who was the head of the national intelligence, was leaking and providing them highly classified information, that sadly affected and victimized thousands of Amhara people. Now, that former leaker is the head of the country, the commander in chief of the army and that army is OLA(ENDF).

You are also whining about the glorious kings of the past who defeated the Western powers you are alleging for arming them. Let alone Orommumma even the White with more sophisticated military armaments could not stand in the face of Ethiopian patriots Fanos. You are fabricating fake stuff to satisfies your inferiority imaginations. If any Orommuma exists, then it could not have the stature to stand with a bare hand raiding Fano force. የእናቴ ቀሚስ አደናቅፎኝ እንጅ ጎበዝ ነበርኩ አልች ጦጢት። Don't be ungrateful to patriotic Ethiopians who sacrificed everything to this country who kept your culture and humanity when everyone was not even awaken and came out of the jungle. You were an easy prey by then. Thanks to Fano. Don’t come here to seek unnecessary importance.

I guess we are talking here about the big elephant in the room. The reason why the crisis took so long and all sorts of Western actors get involved is principally the ENDF is OLF/OLF(ENDF). The suffering of Ethiopians, particularly Amhara, Tigre and Afar is due to this very fact. Let 's call a spade a spade. Where has OLF got the ጥቁር መሳርያ etc.? Exactly from the ENDF central arms depot.

Abere, and what is your proof that the ENDF is now OLF/OLA? Because in Oromia, where the military campaign is taking place and various war crimes are being inflicted on the Oromo masses; the ENDF is definitely NOT OLA/OLF, and its shown by their actions. If you are referring to the Oromo who defect to OLA, good, they all should, because the ENDF of today, of the past, etc, has always fought for the govt in power, to the detriment of the people. Every state should have their own army, that way, no one can dominate anyone else.

No guessing needed-you made a claim, but provided no proof to substantiate it sir. What do you want? Victories over night? Did the derg do that, even when they had billions of dollars of soviet arms and aid? did haile selassie with his modern army, armed, trained and funded by the western nations, achieve overnight victories against the various rebellions he faced [bale rebellion 1963-1970, the first weyane rebellion, etc]??
so what exactly did you think would occur?
the west has always been involved in Ethiopian affairs, in fact, they were the ones who made Ethiopia through their supply of firearms, and training, to the emperors of the past. they always will be as well, especially for as long as Ethiopia is dependent on their funds/aid.

Getting arms for a guerrilla army, is not just as you said, getting it from the so called depot, those arms can easily be captured in wars too- that's how the eplf did it, the tplf, and various others; so OLF/OLA is no different. Not to mention you have oromia police and soldiers of endf who do defect, along with their arms and trucks at times to the OLF/OLA side. no one is a bigger threat to abiy/opdo's power than OLA/OLF-not fano, not shabia, not even tplf; so if you think he's sympathetic to them, or is helping them; you're gonna need some tangible, actual proof. not just heresay.

[Sadacha Macca]

The fact is OLF has been supplied military weapons from the ENDF head quarter. OLF gets all its logistical and military intelligence from the ENDF head quarter. The vehicles, the weapons, the trainings are all financed and supported by ENDF. The evidence are plenty. Even during the TPLF's era, Abiy Ahmed who was the head of the national intelligence, was leaking and providing them highly classified information, that sadly affected and victimized thousands of Amhara people. Now, that former leaker is the head of the country, the commander in chief of the army and that army is OLA(ENDF).

You are also whining about the glorious kings of the past who defeated the Western powers you are alleging for arming them. Let alone Orommumma even the White with more sophisticated military armaments could not stand in the face of Ethiopian patriots Fanos. You are fabricating fake stuff to satisfies your inferiority imaginations. If any Orommuma exists, then it could not have the stature to stand with a bare hand raiding Fano force. የእናቴ ቀሚስ አደናቅፎኝ እንጅ ጎበዝ ነበርኩ አልች ጦጢት። Don't be ungrateful to patriotic Ethiopians who sacrificed everything to this country who kept your culture and humanity when everyone was not even awaken and came out of the jungle. You were an easy prey by then. Thanks to Fano. Don’t come here to seek unnecessary importance.

I guess we are talking here about the big elephant in the room. The reason why the crisis took so long and all sorts of Western actors get involved is principally the ENDF is OLF/OLF(ENDF). The suffering of Ethiopians, particularly Amhara, Tigre and Afar is due to this very fact. Let 's call a spade a spade. Where has OLF got the ጥቁር መሳርያ etc.? Exactly from the ENDF central arms depot.

Abere, and what is your proof that the ENDF is now OLF/OLA? Because in Oromia, where the military campaign is taking place and various war crimes are being inflicted on the Oromo masses; the ENDF is definitely NOT OLA/OLF, and its shown by their actions. If you are referring to the Oromo who defect to OLA, good, they all should, because the ENDF of today, of the past, etc, has always fought for the govt in power, to the detriment of the people. Every state should have their own army, that way, no one can dominate anyone else.

No guessing needed-you made a claim, but provided no proof to substantiate it sir. What do you want? Victories over night? Did the derg do that, even when they had billions of dollars of soviet arms and aid? did haile selassie with his modern army, armed, trained and funded by the western nations, achieve overnight victories against the various rebellions he faced [bale rebellion 1963-1970, the first weyane rebellion, etc]??
so what exactly did you think would occur?
the west has always been involved in Ethiopian affairs, in fact, they were the ones who made Ethiopia through their supply of firearms, and training, to the emperors of the past. they always will be as well, especially for as long as Ethiopia is dependent on their funds/aid.

Getting arms for a guerrilla army, is not just as you said, getting it from the so called depot, those arms can easily be captured in wars too- that's how the eplf did it, the tplf, and various others; so OLF/OLA is no different. Not to mention you have oromia police and soldiers of endf who do defect, along with their arms and trucks at times to the OLF/OLA side. no one is a bigger threat to abiy/opdo's power than OLA/OLF-not fano, not shabia, not even tplf; so if you think he's sympathetic to them, or is helping them; you're gonna need some tangible, actual proof. not just heresay.

You have yet to prove any of those claims. You say the ENDF HQ is supplying them, so where's the proof then?
If Abiy did that, where's the proof that he did that? You still haven't provided any proof, whatsoever, to substantiate your claims.
Provide some tangible proof, something other than you saying it... anyone can claim anything, but to actually prove those claims is an entirely different thing.

I am not whining- I am telling it how it is, it was some of the Western Powers, such as France, who armed Menelik, for example, trained his army, and even sent generals to directly take part in some of his armies most crucial operations. These are all facts, and are well documented.
Oromo's ain't afraid of anyone, whether it be our countrymen, or anyone for that matter; you know that very well and our history, both recent and past, proves this. I have no need to talk tough about the fearlessness of the Oromo, it's well known already.

[Abere]

--- You are just wasting your time over as supper redundantly proven fact - ENDF is arming OLF/OLA.
---- I am not trying to be little Oromo in anyway like you are trying to irrationally Whining about the heroism Emiye Menelik II accomplished and the favor he did to Oromo people. However, I question this, where were then now Orommmuma Zealots when Jimma Abajifar were selling off millions of Oromos to Arabs every year? Who did stop the selling off Oromos to Arabs and closed the weekly Oromo slave trade markets in Jimma and elsewhere? Where were those zealots who were profiting from this lucrative Oromo slave trade? The King of Kings freed Oromos, modernized their life system and opened great opportunities. Unfortunately, the Western enemies of Ethiopia fabricated and wrote a fictional book to create animosity based on false narratives. You are one of these victims of false narratives who built super strong self-inflicted inferiority complex. And it is difficult to treat people like you, it takes time either you will be cured of it or pass with it.

You have yet to prove any of those claims. You say the ENDF HQ is supplying them, so where's the proof then?
If Abiy did that, where's the proof that he did that? You still haven't provided any proof, whatsoever, to substantiate your claims.
Provide some tangible proof, something other than you saying it... anyone can claim anything, but to actually prove those claims is an entirely different thing.

I am not whining- I am telling it how it is, it was some of the Western Powers, such as France, who armed Menelik, for example, trained his army, and even sent generals to directly take part in some of his armies most crucial operations. These are all facts, and are well documented.
Oromo's ain't afraid of anyone, whether it be our countrymen, or anyone for that matter; you know that very well and our history, both recent and past, proves this. I have no need to talk tough about the fearlessness of the Oromo, it's well known already.

[Sadacha Macca]

--- You are just wasting your time over as supper redundantly proven fact - ENDF is arming OLF/OLA.
---- I am not trying to be little Oromo in anyway like you are trying to irrationally Whining about the heroism Emiye Menelik II accomplished and the favor he did to Oromo people. However, I question this, where were then now Orommmuma Zealots when Jimma Abajifar were selling off millions of Oromos to Arabs every year? Who did stop the selling off Oromos to Arabs and closed the weekly Oromo slave trade markets in Jimma and elsewhere? Where were those zealots who were profiting from this lucrative Oromo slave trade? The King of Kings freed Oromos, modernized their life system and opened great opportunities. Unfortunately, the Western enemies of Ethiopia fabricated and wrote a fictional book to create animosity based on false narratives. You are one of these victims of false narratives who built super strong self-inflicted inferiority complex. And it is difficult to treat people like you, it takes time either you will be cured of it or pass with it.

You have yet to prove any of those claims. You say the ENDF HQ is supplying them, so where's the proof then?
If Abiy did that, where's the proof that he did that? You still haven't provided any proof, whatsoever, to substantiate your claims.
Provide some tangible proof, something other than you saying it... anyone can claim anything, but to actually prove those claims is an entirely different thing.

I am not whining- I am telling it how it is, it was some of the Western Powers, such as France, who armed Menelik, for example, trained his army, and even sent generals to directly take part in some of his armies most crucial operations. These are all facts, and are well documented.
Oromo's ain't afraid of anyone, whether it be our countrymen, or anyone for that matter; you know that very well and our history, both recent and past, proves this. I have no need to talk tough about the fearlessness of the Oromo, it's well known already.

1: Basically, you have no proof, none at all, you just expect everyone to just ''take your word'' for it, and believe it. Cool story, bro.
2. You have already been insulting Oromo's for quite a while, and honestly, it's fine because I prefer a honest enemy over a fake friend who claims to ''respect Oromo's,'' yet insults them day and night. SO, no need to lie, it's clear that you have a deep-seated fear and hatred of the Oromo.
Since when is stating historical facts, ''whining''? You are the one who seems angry and is complaining; not me. I am calling it how it is: and that is, it's an irrefutable fact, that menelik depended on the firearms and training he got from some European powers, whether you like it or not.
3. Menelik had thousands of slaves for himself, no need to even address that silly argument, but you can keep trying to switch the subject, if you wish.
Menelik didn't liberate anyone, in fact, his policies contributed to keeping many oromo in poverty, due to appropriation of their land, and haile selassie's gabbar policy continued that; but the good thing is, those days are long gone and will never return. so no need to dwell on it as much. my point was: Ethiopia will always have the Europeans involved in it, since they were the ones who created it, funded it and still fund it, and maintain it to serve their interests in that part of Africa-the Horn of Africa. This is the truth, plain and simple, and as they say, the truth hurts at times.

[Abere]

--- As I said before, Orommuma infected Oromos are defectively molded there is no point to rescue and nurse them. Their whining about Emiye Menelik I and their WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA fabrications and endless circular argument testifies their irrationality emanating from self-inflicted inferiority complex. I am abhorred by evil Orommuma possessed Oromos, not Oromos who behave like human-being; Yes, I am abhorred by evil Orommuma possessed savages who chopped off pen!s and post on their foreheads; I am abhorred by those Orommuma who cut off women breast to show women subjugation to Aba geday who herd 10 - 15 wives under a pastoralist tent like their cattle. I don't blame the past 15th century primitive ones , but I blame the present day foolhardy who wanted to bring back these kinds of harmful practices. So, within Oromo there are Oromos who are human beings and those who are not.

--- You should also note, Ethiopia is one of the oldest countries on planet Earth. Ethiopia had been a country before most of European countries of today become even country. Ethiopia had been ruled by 225 kings and had her own codified written laws that ruled geographic regions more than its size of today. Take Europe out of the equation, because they did not exist as a country when Ethiopia existed. So, your excuse simply obvious to defend fabrications.

1: Basically, you have no proof, none at all, you just expect everyone to just ''take your word'' for it, and believe it. Cool story, bro.
2. You have already been insulting Oromo's for quite a while, and honestly, it's fine because I prefer a honest enemy over a fake friend who claims to ''respect Oromo's,'' yet insults them day and night. SO, no need to lie, it's clear that you have a deep-seated fear and hatred of the Oromo.
Since when is stating historical facts, ''whining''? You are the one who seems angry and is complaining; not me. I am calling it how it is: and that is, it's an irrefutable fact, that menelik depended on the firearms and training he got from some European powers, whether you like it or not.
3. Menelik had thousands of slaves for himself, no need to even address that silly argument, but you can keep trying to switch the subject, if you wish.
Menelik didn't liberate anyone, in fact, his policies contributed to keeping many oromo in poverty, due to appropriation of their land, and haile selassie's gabbar policy continued that; but the good thing is, those days are long gone and will never return. so no need to dwell on it as much. my point was: Ethiopia will always have the Europeans involved in it, since they were the ones who created it, funded it and still fund it, and maintain it to serve their interests in that part of Africa-the Horn of Africa. This is the truth, plain and simple, and as they say, the truth hurts at times.

[temari]

[sarcasm]

A deficit budget with 40% across the board cut backs!! Scary times ahead!! No economic growth in the prospect!