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Post by Hazega/Tsazega. » 03 Nov 2021, 20:28

I think the Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia, for safety concerns & reschedule for next month or later.

It would not be wise to give these individuals free access to you nor your country in the wake of the massive underground/unofficial miltary&diplomatic&media support they have been giving to TPLF...while their duplicitous/official diplomatic statements may appear they are against TPLF.

They will only use this as an opportunity to strong arm & dig dirt to take back with them...and/or meet with nefarious elements. Easiest excuse is to decline them entry for their safety concerns and giving the excuse that TPLF (their surrogate) is threatening to attack the capital city and various other cities/towns...which they have asked their surrogate to stop :roll:

Also in light of their aggressive threats against trade...it is nothing short of mafia intimidation tactics. They threaten you, take hostile actions against you, and then afterwards want to have a sitdown??

Also watch that they don't land anywhere else in Ethiopia...redirect them to fly to Sudan or Kenya to refuel.

Otherwise you are opening yourself up to nefarious plots/coups...with every visit the envoy is making contact with official govt and also trying to build contacts with any nefarious elements that are willing/able/corruptable.

Jeffrey D. Feltman
Former United States Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs
and former United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs.
Currently serving as the U.S. special envoy for Horn of Africa since April 23, 2021. (Wikipedia)

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Post by sarcasm » 03 Nov 2021, 20:41

Ato Kebour Ghenna thinks that Ethiopia should accept the mediation. He said, "Today neither is likely to achieve total victory. So a negotiated settlement should happen, but for this to happen both parties require the help of outside parties to get to the table and try to find common ground for accommodating divergent positions."



Negotiating the Non Negotiable…for Honorable Terms of Peace!
By Kebour Ghenna


Last week a friend tells me his family and neighbors fled to Addis Ababa from Dessie Zuria to escape the war. Most were sick from the long journey, with no money to buy food or put a roof over their head. They are going to live a hellish life. Unfortunately, my dear friend simply does not have the means to help. In one way or the other we shall all suffer the consequences of this fall out.

So a question for you, Brave Readers: Is this war worth it? How many more will have to flee their home or die?’ To date we count death in hundreds of thousands; wounded or forced to flee their homes in millions! Was it…is it worth it?

The enormous human suffering, the internal displacement and migration, the destruction of key infrastructure, and diversion of resources away from productive activities and investment in public health and education… Is it really worth it?


No one who believed the government of Abiy was on the right on November 2020, could have foreseen the scale of the war to come.

Its full repercussions are still yet to be understood.

The more protracted this conflict gets, the more logical it is to conclude that a united Ethiopia may no longer be a possibility. The fate of Ethiopia may evolve to resemble scenarios similar to Iraq and the former Republic of Yugoslavia – divided communities along ethnic loyalties.

Today neither is likely to achieve total victory. So a negotiated settlement should happen, but for this to happen both parties require the help of outside parties to get to the table and try to find common ground for accommodating divergent positions.

Obviously a lot has changed on the ground in favor of the Tigray Defense Force since the premature victory declaration by Abiy and his military leaders. The problem now is how to deal with the issues of honor, integrity, and identity when deciding whether to negotiate or not with an enemy judged as a ghastly dragon?

When one avoids analyzing a situation, when one is overly swayed by emotion, and more critically, when one is the only one deciding based on his own values, then we can expect dangerous traps. At this stage deciding not to negotiate might directly harm not only the people and the country, but indirectly affect neighboring countries and even destabilize the entire region and beyond. Abiy and his party have a greater moral obligation to negotiate. The only option now open to the PM is whether or not to make a dismal situation worse.

From where I stand, I sense there is a timid movement from PM Abiy towards calling off the war for some negotiated settlement. He may have sensed the populace may soon go restless. That’s why on a recent ‘work visit’ he (the PM) ‘advised’ regional state leaders to stop thinking about wars and focus on farming… and investing on pumps… not Kalashnikov’s.

Nooo! Really?

The whole episode deserves at least a footnote in Ethiopia’s political history, for rarely has a public spectacle been so completely fake. It was, as someone rightly put it, like a graduation for a young lad who’s about to start his freshman year; incoherent for everyone.

Still, his message and intention were clear; he seems to have realized that he cannot achieve more through continued fighting than through settlement. The question then is can he be trusted to lead the country to a negotiated settlement? Can the regional state leaders credibly commit to implementing the peace agreement? Can the leaders and the people of Ethiopia use this conflict as a critical aspect of creativity and motivation to chart a new political arrangement?

We all know we can never change things by fighting a war that cannot be won. To change something, to transform it from the bottom up we should come up with a new model that makes the existing model obsolete, and reconcile the many contradictions that are visible everywhere across the country.
That said we must first be more determined than ever to peacefully end this civil war, stop the suffering of innocent civilians…. and then plan for a shopping spree.. for pumps and all other goodies.

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by sun » 03 Nov 2021, 20:49

Hazega/Tsazega. wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 20:28
I think the Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia, for safety concerns & reschedule for next month or later.

It would not be wise to give these individuals free access to you nor your country in the wake of the massive underground/unofficial miltary&diplomatic&media support they have been giving to TPLF...while their duplicitous/official diplomatic statements may appear they are against TPLF.

They will only use this as an opportunity to strong arm & dig dirt to take back with them...and/or meet with nefarious elements. Easiest excuse is to decline them entry for their safety concerns and giving the excuse that TPLF (their surrogate) is threatening to attack the capital city and various other cities/towns...which they have asked their surrogate to stop :roll:

Also in light of their aggressive threats against trade...it is nothing short of mafia intimidation tactics. They threaten you, take hostile actions against you, and then afterwards want to have a sitdown??

Also watch that they don't land anywhere else in Ethiopia...redirect them to fly to Sudan or Kenya to refuel.

Otherwise you are opening yourself up to nefarious plots/coups...with every visit the envoy is making contact with official govt and also trying to build contacts with any nefarious elements that are willing/able/corruptable.

Jeffrey D. Feltman
Former United States Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs
and former United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs.
Currently serving as the U.S. special envoy for Horn of Africa since April 23, 2021. (Wikipedia)
May be they just want to measure the body temperature of the government and ask as to how their deep back and front stabbings feel in practice and then afterwards inform the tplf about the details of the situation on the ground. Funny world indeed!

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Post by Hazega/Tsazega. » 03 Nov 2021, 20:52

Schism,
Fundamentally/contextually its asking the victims of the terrorist attack that TPLF launched in November if it is worth it :roll:...somehow attempting to make the victims of the continued TPLF attacks equally culpable for not rolling over to the TPLF.

Sit tight Schism and in few days/weeks time your stretched out TPLF & their supporters will be asking themselves if all its losses were worth it.
sarcasm wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 20:41
Ato Kebour Ghenna thinks that Ethiopia should accept the mediation. He said, "Today neither is likely to achieve total victory. So a negotiated settlement should happen, but for this to happen both parties require the help of outside parties to get to the table and try to find common ground for accommodating divergent positions."



Negotiating the Non Negotiable…for Honorable Terms of Peace!
By Kebour Ghenna


Last week a friend tells me his family and neighbors fled to Addis Ababa from Dessie Zuria to escape the war. Most were sick from the long journey, with no money to buy food or put a roof over their head. They are going to live a hellish life. Unfortunately, my dear friend simply does not have the means to help. In one way or the other we shall all suffer the consequences of this fall out.

So a question for you, Brave Readers: Is this war worth it? How many more will have to flee their home or die?’ To date we count death in hundreds of thousands; wounded or forced to flee their homes in millions! Was it…is it worth it?

The enormous human suffering, the internal displacement and migration, the destruction of key infrastructure, and diversion of resources away from productive activities and investment in public health and education… Is it really worth it?


No one who believed the government of Abiy was on the right on November 2020, could have foreseen the scale of the war to come.

Its full repercussions are still yet to be understood.

The more protracted this conflict gets, the more logical it is to conclude that a united Ethiopia may no longer be a possibility. The fate of Ethiopia may evolve to resemble scenarios similar to Iraq and the former Republic of Yugoslavia – divided communities along ethnic loyalties.

Today neither is likely to achieve total victory. So a negotiated settlement should happen, but for this to happen both parties require the help of outside parties to get to the table and try to find common ground for accommodating divergent positions.

Obviously a lot has changed on the ground in favor of the Tigray Defense Force since the premature victory declaration by Abiy and his military leaders. The problem now is how to deal with the issues of honor, integrity, and identity when deciding whether to negotiate or not with an enemy judged as a ghastly dragon?

When one avoids analyzing a situation, when one is overly swayed by emotion, and more critically, when one is the only one deciding based on his own values, then we can expect dangerous traps. At this stage deciding not to negotiate might directly harm not only the people and the country, but indirectly affect neighboring countries and even destabilize the entire region and beyond. Abiy and his party have a greater moral obligation to negotiate. The only option now open to the PM is whether or not to make a dismal situation worse.

From where I stand, I sense there is a timid movement from PM Abiy towards calling off the war for some negotiated settlement. He may have sensed the populace may soon go restless. That’s why on a recent ‘work visit’ he (the PM) ‘advised’ regional state leaders to stop thinking about wars and focus on farming… and investing on pumps… not Kalashnikov’s.

Nooo! Really?

The whole episode deserves at least a footnote in Ethiopia’s political history, for rarely has a public spectacle been so completely fake. It was, as someone rightly put it, like a graduation for a young lad who’s about to start his freshman year; incoherent for everyone.

Still, his message and intention were clear; he seems to have realized that he cannot achieve more through continued fighting than through settlement. The question then is can he be trusted to lead the country to a negotiated settlement? Can the regional state leaders credibly commit to implementing the peace agreement? Can the leaders and the people of Ethiopia use this conflict as a critical aspect of creativity and motivation to chart a new political arrangement?

We all know we can never change things by fighting a war that cannot be won. To change something, to transform it from the bottom up we should come up with a new model that makes the existing model obsolete, and reconcile the many contradictions that are visible everywhere across the country.
That said we must first be more determined than ever to peacefully end this civil war, stop the suffering of innocent civilians…. and then plan for a shopping spree.. for pumps and all other goodies.

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 03 Nov 2021, 20:55

There will be no negotiation. The final showdown is coming. Ethiopia will never and ever could live with TPLF. One of them has to die : it could be Ethiopia or TPLF. Pick your choice Eden.

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Aba » 03 Nov 2021, 20:59

Dedicated to higdef mendef stooges.
Eritrea will be free.
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03 Nov 2021, 20:28

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Abe Abraham » 03 Nov 2021, 21:06

sun wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 20:49
Hazega/Tsazega. wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 20:28
I think the Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia, for safety concerns & reschedule for next month or later.

It would not be wise to give these individuals free access to you nor your country in the wake of the massive underground/unofficial miltary&diplomatic&media support they have been giving to TPLF...while their duplicitous/official diplomatic statements may appear they are against TPLF.

They will only use this as an opportunity to strong arm & dig dirt to take back with them...and/or meet with nefarious elements. Easiest excuse is to decline them entry for their safety concerns and giving the excuse that TPLF (their surrogate) is threatening to attack the capital city and various other cities/towns...which they have asked their surrogate to stop :roll:

Also in light of their aggressive threats against trade...it is nothing short of mafia intimidation tactics. They threaten you, take hostile actions against you, and then afterwards want to have a sitdown??

Also watch that they don't land anywhere else in Ethiopia...redirect them to fly to Sudan or Kenya to refuel.

Otherwise you are opening yourself up to nefarious plots/coups...with every visit the envoy is making contact with official govt and also trying to build contacts with any nefarious elements that are willing/able/corruptable.

Jeffrey D. Feltman
Former United States Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs
and former United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs.
Currently serving as the U.S. special envoy for Horn of Africa since April 23, 2021. (Wikipedia)
May be they just want to measure the body temperature of the government and ask as to how their deep back and front stabbings feel in practice and then afterwards inform the tplf about the details of the situation on the ground. Funny world indeed!
Sun,

It is not a may be but a logically deducted fact. That is why I support the proposal of Hazega/Tsazega.

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by eden » 03 Nov 2021, 21:11

Abe,

Abiy calculated if he gives up HGDEF and ANDM rulers, he may evade war crime charges. So he dances with Feltman and others. Today, he accepted the joint human rights report and recommendations. This means if he gives up those and his own Generals, he really believes he can get away with his crime against Ethiopian people.

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Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 03 Nov 2021, 21:27

Eden, out of all people a TPLF cadre accusing Abiy for making “crime against Ethiopian people” is the weirdest cadre talk of all time.

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Post by sarcasm » 03 Nov 2021, 21:29

Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 20:55
There will be no negotiation.
It seems that Gen Tsadkan agrees with you on this. He thinks that war is reaching its end.


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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Aba » 03 Nov 2021, 21:42

Dedicated to higdef mendef stooges aka deqi komarit.
Eritrea will be free.
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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Hazega/Tsazega. » 03 Nov 2021, 21:44

Edu Shukor (self nick named 😁),
As usual you operate using TPLF main tactics of fear&doubt...and when those dont work you switch to secondary emotional tactics of peace/humanity(we are brothers ey ey).

Having seen your behavior/methods on this forum over so many years, its always funny seeing you dig up old posts to drive a wedge between those whose current common goal is striving to bring TPLF/supporters to face justice for their crimes.

In your childs play divide & conquer...you are trying to set into the impressionable minds that Abiy is going to work with Feltman to betray ENDF/amharu/eritrea to save his own skin and even further he is running away from facing justice of Ethiopian people...your typical hinfishfish constructions/imaginations 😉

Red is your color...ye-amirelshal...it is also the color of terrorist TPLF while they do selfies with their flag & when they trip to the ground/reality...

eden wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:11
Abe,

Abiy calculated if he gives up HGDEF and ANDM rulers, he may evade war crime charges. So he dances with Feltman and others. Today, he accepted the joint human rights report and recommendations. This means if he gives up those and his own Generals, he really believes he can get away with his crime against Ethiopian people.

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by quindibu » 03 Nov 2021, 21:50

sarcasm wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:29
Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 20:55
There will be no negotiation.
It seems that Gen Tsadkan agrees with you on this. He thinks that war is reaching its end.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

A la Agame,

Ignorance is a bliss. You guys tend to count your chickens before they hatch.......

I hate to see crying you later! :P

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Educator » 03 Nov 2021, 21:54

Even if he can shift some of the blames on to his Genrals, he still have to answer for the self-admitted crimes such as : "I destroyed Mekele and brought it to the level of Bashasha" and "raping women by men is no big deal". Both of them are war crimes. Destroying civilian infrastructure and using rape as weapon of war are serious war crimes and he proudly and publicly admitted and encouraged them.
eden wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:11
Abe,

Abiy calculated if he gives up HGDEF and ANDM rulers, he may evade war crime charges. So he dances with Feltman and others. Today, he accepted the joint human rights report and recommendations. This means if he gives up those and his own Generals, he really believes he can get away with his crime against Ethiopian people.

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Post by eden » 03 Nov 2021, 22:05

For the record

I dig old threads to expose some shady characters. I do it because I see many here have short memory. I don't divide. I show the divide. There's a difference.

Example
I dig Horus thread regarding red sea belonging to Ethiopia when he initiates a new thread on how much he loves to see Eritrea army entering Adwa. In doing so, my aim is not to divide but to expose. The divide is his creation. He created it when he said red sea and navy. I only insert my self to remind.

If you choose not to be reminded, that's fine but may I remind others who think he is pro Eritrea based on his recent opportunist posts trying to spill Eritrea blood just so Abiy stays in power.

p.s. Educator - Abiy is not rational like you and I. He really thinks he can get away by betraying Demeke, Bacha and Isayas like he betrayed his boy, Aboy Sebhat. He has amazing capacity to lie to himself and live in it.

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Post by Aba » 03 Nov 2021, 22:15

ድሕሪ ደሴ ወሎ፡ ኣራት ኪሎ ዶ ዓዲ ሃሎ!? :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by sun » 03 Nov 2021, 22:38

eden wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:11
Abe,

Abiy calculated if he gives up HGDEF and ANDM rulers, he may evade war crime charges. So he dances with Feltman and others. Today, he accepted the joint human rights report and recommendations. This means if he gives up those and his own Generals, he really believes he can get away with his crime against Ethiopian people.
eden, the incurable born bedin, :P

You are absolutely 100% wrong! In fact they want to isolate him from his supporters and then destroy him in isolation so that they may follow up in bringing in the tplf criminals to reside in Menelik's palace and practice their familiar shooting and looting reckless barbarism. If they don't want to give up on tplf criminals why should the PM give up on his immediate supporters and through that expose himself and the Ethiopian people to the deceptive deadly political cancer? Ethiopia and Eritrea are forever! Provincial anti state outlaw gangs are very temporary and dispensable!

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Hazega/Tsazega. » 03 Nov 2021, 22:55

TPLF Educator,
Yes add to the fear&doubt tactics of eden...and build the narrative/doubts/fears for the impressionable minds. However quotes are meaningless in your examples since its not giving the readers the full context and also there are language/translation differences in that some languages seem harsher when translated but in the language itself its not as extreme.

Also you are glossing over the fact that this was a war that TPLF launched in November and still continues to wage with various devious methods (dirty war)...it is not Abiy/ENDF that launched war but they are trying to contain it & bring TPLF to justice.

Many claims of Tigray civilians can be at doubt...even according to recently fired/recalled UN officials who stated openly that TPLF had infiltrated other UN officials to attain names of alleged victims & safe houses (perhaps to coach the victims in allegations or to encourage them to redirect their allegations towards ENDF/amharu/eri). The fired/recalled UN officials even stated that the operational & investigative standards/processes were being circumvented by other UN officials collaborating with TPLF elements or those sympathetic to TPLF.

There are also counter claims of TPLF combatants warring in civilian clothing and then running home for shelter pretending to be a civilian (but foolishly forgetting they were being followed by sharp eyed hawks). There are other claims of TPLF warring in forged uniforms of ENDF/eri...and even attacking their fellow Tigray civilians while wearing forged uniforms.

Even in some of the testimonies the alleged victims said their violators told them they are amharu/Eri, which should be a red flag to veracity of their statements...perhaps the forged uniform weren't enough & the perpetrators wanted to make doubly sure where the fault/blame was credited to??

On claims of rape there was a culture of rape amongst the TIGRAY region long before the war started. Tigrayans had told TPLF officials they were being raped by other TPLF members and even doing demonstrations until eventually thousands were arrested. However when the TPLF launched its war, it released thousands of TIGRAYAN rapists and it would not be unfathomable for these former prisoners now working with TPLF to go on a raping rampage & then try to blame others. Another act of dirty war of terrorist TPLF...rape, child soldiers/shields, attacking civilians, killing animals, looting/burning properties...but thru media propaganda work to blame others for these works/deeds of TPLF. I still contend from beginning that the highly disciplined Eritrean army wouldn't do such acts especially since it doesn't have a track record of such acts...even the attacked ENDF (whose women could have been violated in TPLF launched attack even forced to cross borders naked) that returned from Eritrea wouldn't have committed such acts in vengeance since it would be a double violation to their fellow female soldiers. I can't even see the amharu/fano doing such things since they were too busy focused on reclaiming their territory & moving fast against TPLF. This is not to say that brazen individuals or handfuls wouldn't do such things...however to allege that rape was used by organized/disciplined forces of ENDF/amharu/EDF is utterly preposterous. It is even further angering that the TPLF actually has a track record of being rapists...all the way up to their top officials!!...but again thru media warfare this gets redirected towards others.

Educator wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:54
Even if he can shift some of the blames on to his Genrals, he still have to answer for the self-admitted crimes such as : "I destroyed Mekele and brought it to the level of Bashasha" and "raping women by men is no big deal". Both of them are war crimes. Destroying civilian infrastructure and using rape as weapon of war are serious war crimes and he proudly and publicly admitted and encouraged them.
eden wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:11
Abe,

Abiy calculated if he gives up HGDEF and ANDM rulers, he may evade war crime charges. So he dances with Feltman and others. Today, he accepted the joint human rights report and recommendations. This means if he gives up those and his own Generals, he really believes he can get away with his crime against Ethiopian people.
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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Educator » 03 Nov 2021, 23:23

Yes, he will be given a chance to explain the context and the language in which he allegedly encourage rape and boasted the destruction of a city and region. And as the commander and chief of his army, he will answer for his henchmen deeds and statements. I recall General Abebaw claiming to destroy all infrastructure in Tigray. So Abiy will explain what actions he took to discipline his General.

I pray for Abiy so God gives him the strength to cope and face the coming justice.
Hazega/Tsazega. wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 22:55
TPLF Educator,
Yes add to the fear&doubt tactics of eden...and build the narrative/doubts/fears for the impressionable minds. However quotes are meaningless in your examples since its not giving the readers the full context and also there are language/translation differences in that some languages seem harsher when translated but in the language itself its not as extreme.

Also you are glossing over the fact that this was a war that TPLF launched in November and still continues to wage with various devious methods (dirty war)...it is not Abiy/ENDF that launched war but they are trying to contain it & bring TPLF to justice.

Many claims of Tigray civilians can be at doubt...even according to recently fired/recalled UN officials who stated openly that TPLF had infiltrated other UN officials to attain names of alleged victims & safe houses (perhaps to coach the victims in allegations or to encourage them to redirect their allegations towards ENDF/amharu/eri). The fired/recalled UN officials even stated that the operational & investigative standards/processes were being circumvented by other UN officials collaborating with TPLF elements or those sympathetic to TPLF.

There are also counter claims of TPLF combatants warring in civilian clothing and then running home for shelter pretending to be a civilian (but foolishly forgetting they were being followed by sharp eyed hawks). There are other claims of TPLF warring in forged uniforms of ENDF/eri...and even attacking their fellow Tigray civilians while wearing forged uniforms.

Even in some of the testimonies the alleged victims said their violators told them they are amharu/Eri, which should be a red flag to veracity of their statements...perhaps the forged uniform weren't enough & the perpetrators wanted to make doubly sure where the fault/blame was credited to??

On claims of rape their was a culture of rape amongst the TIGRAY region long before the war started. Tigrayans had told TPLF officials they were being raped by other TPLF members and even doing demonstrations until eventually thousands were arrested. However when the TPLF launched its war, it released thousands of TIGRAYAN rapists and it would not be unfathomable for these former prisoners now working with TPLF to go on a raping rampage & then try to blame others. Another act of dirty war of terrorist TPLF...rape, child soldiers/shields, attacking civilians, killing animals, looting/burning properties...but thru media propaganda work to blame others for these works/deeds of TPLF.

Educator wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:54
Even if he can shift some of the blames on to his Genrals, he still have to answer for the self-admitted crimes such as : "I destroyed Mekele and brought it to the level of Bashasha" and "raping women by men is no big deal". Both of them are war crimes. Destroying civilian infrastructure and using rape as weapon of war are serious war crimes and he proudly and publicly admitted and encouraged them.
eden wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:11
Abe,

Abiy calculated if he gives up HGDEF and ANDM rulers, he may evade war crime charges. So he dances with Feltman and others. Today, he accepted the joint human rights report and recommendations. This means if he gives up those and his own Generals, he really believes he can get away with his crime against Ethiopian people.

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Re: Ethiopian Govt should immediately cancel Special Envoy Feltman's rushed trip to Ethiopia for safety concerns & resch

Post by Hazega/Tsazega. » 04 Nov 2021, 00:00

Edu-shukor & TPLF Educator,
You 2 have jokes and forked tongues 🐍 😁

Offering prayers from TPLF weapons stockpiled churches brings down locusts & bullets onto the prayers...as Seyum Mesfin and Abay Tsehaye learned the hard way.

eden wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 22:05
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p.s. Educator - Abiy is not rational like you and I. He really thinks he can get away by betraying Demeke, Bacha and Isayas like he betrayed his boy, Aboy Sebhat. He has amazing capacity to lie to himself and live in it.
Educator wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 23:23
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I pray for Abiy so God gives him the strength to cope and face the coming justice.


Educator wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 23:23
Yes, he will be given a chance to explain the context and the language in which he allegedly encourage rape and boasted the destruction of a city and region. And as the commander and chief of his army, he will answer for his henchmen deeds and statements. I recall General Abebaw claiming to destroy all infrastructure in Tigray. So Abiy will explain what actions he took to discipline his General.

I pray for Abiy so God gives him the strength to cope and face the coming justice.
Hazega/Tsazega. wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 22:55
TPLF Educator,
Yes add to the fear&doubt tactics of eden...and build the narrative/doubts/fears for the impressionable minds. However quotes are meaningless in your examples since its not giving the readers the full context and also there are language/translation differences in that some languages seem harsher when translated but in the language itself its not as extreme.

Also you are glossing over the fact that this was a war that TPLF launched in November and still continues to wage with various devious methods (dirty war)...it is not Abiy/ENDF that launched war but they are trying to contain it & bring TPLF to justice.

Many claims of Tigray civilians can be at doubt...even according to recently fired/recalled UN officials who stated openly that TPLF had infiltrated other UN officials to attain names of alleged victims & safe houses (perhaps to coach the victims in allegations or to encourage them to redirect their allegations towards ENDF/amharu/eri). The fired/recalled UN officials even stated that the operational & investigative standards/processes were being circumvented by other UN officials collaborating with TPLF elements or those sympathetic to TPLF.

There are also counter claims of TPLF combatants warring in civilian clothing and then running home for shelter pretending to be a civilian (but foolishly forgetting they were being followed by sharp eyed hawks). There are other claims of TPLF warring in forged uniforms of ENDF/eri...and even attacking their fellow Tigray civilians while wearing forged uniforms.

Even in some of the testimonies the alleged victims said their violators told them they are amharu/Eri, which should be a red flag to veracity of their statements...perhaps the forged uniform weren't enough & the perpetrators wanted to make doubly sure where the fault/blame was credited to??

On claims of rape their was a culture of rape amongst the TIGRAY region long before the war started. Tigrayans had told TPLF officials they were being raped by other TPLF members and even doing demonstrations until eventually thousands were arrested. However when the TPLF launched its war, it released thousands of TIGRAYAN rapists and it would not be unfathomable for these former prisoners now working with TPLF to go on a raping rampage & then try to blame others. Another act of dirty war of terrorist TPLF...rape, child soldiers/shields, attacking civilians, killing animals, looting/burning properties...but thru media propaganda work to blame others for these works/deeds of TPLF.

Educator wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:54
Even if he can shift some of the blames on to his Genrals, he still have to answer for the self-admitted crimes such as : "I destroyed Mekele and brought it to the level of Bashasha" and "raping women by men is no big deal". Both of them are war crimes. Destroying civilian infrastructure and using rape as weapon of war are serious war crimes and he proudly and publicly admitted and encouraged them.
eden wrote:
03 Nov 2021, 21:11
Abe,

Abiy calculated if he gives up HGDEF and ANDM rulers, he may evade war crime charges. So he dances with Feltman and others. Today, he accepted the joint human rights report and recommendations. This means if he gives up those and his own Generals, he really believes he can get away with his crime against Ethiopian people.

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