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The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 02 Oct 2021, 15:08

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The northern Sudanese guy is fed up by the conditions past and present of Sudan and he came to the conclusion that People Who don't share the same value system, history and destiny can never build a viberent nation just because they share a geographical real estate. hence, he adviced the man from Darfur to split from Sudan and declare their independence. he also said, the independence of the South Sudan was one of the best decision Bashir made. The Dark man from Darfur tried to counter argument the northern Sudanese guy by claiming the only thing which lacks in Sudan is democracy, equality yada yada on which the northern argued if there is no fundamental factors which connect and bind them, how is democracy going to solve the puzzle..... 8) እዚ መልእኽቲ እዚ ነዘን ደቒ 9 ብሄራትን ንhardliner እዩ.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by sesame » 02 Oct 2021, 15:25

Wedi komarit,

And you think you can live happily with your Agame cousins? What values do you share with them. They are liars, thieves, braggarts, back-stabbers, the list is endless. It is values that keep a people together and We have no values in common with Agames. Even their language that hodgepodge of Tigrinya and Amharic is a pain to my ears.

Besides, many Eastern Sudanese, the Hadendwa in particular, want to be Eritreans these days! We will welcome them with both arms wide-spread!

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Abe Abraham » 02 Oct 2021, 15:53

Some in the North are afraid to face the fact that Sudan is an African country. That is why they do not like the idea of Afrikaniya ( Africanism ) . By kicking out Daruf some in the North think they could keep the other Darufs ( Black Africa ) of the Sudan and the East. Short-sighted and stupid, I would say.

The most honest in the North entertain a not a serious idea in which the North joins Egypt and the East Eritrea with the rest of the African Sudan left to decide their future by themsleves. I say it is not a serious idea while thousands of rich Sudanese are buying houses in Egypt by selling their properties in Sudan if their bank account doesn't suffice for the purpose.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by justo » 02 Oct 2021, 16:21

Deqi-Arawit wrote:
02 Oct 2021, 15:08
The Dark man from Darfur tried to counter argument the northern Sudanese guy by claiming the only thing which lacks in Sudan is democracy, equality yada yada on which the northern argued if there is no fundamental factors which connect and bind them, how is democracy going to solve the puzzle..... 8) እዚ መልእኽቲ እዚ ነዘን ደቒ 9 ብሄራትን ንhardliner እዩ.
ኣግኣዚት ኣንቲ ደደብ እንታይ ኢና ክንገብሮ እዚ ድንቁርናኺ። ካባኺስ ያኢ ሶፊስቲከይትድ ኮይነ ኢልኪ ኢኺ። ደደብ ሶኢስቲከይትድ ዝኾነ ክመስሎ ኾሎ ጸገም እዩ መቸም ... ምስ ጻዕዳ ተዊዐልኪ ንኤርትራ ክትንዕቂ መሰል ዘለኪ እዩ ዝመስለኪ
ሃገራዊ ስሚዒት ኣብ ኤርትራ ሓያል እዩ።
ካብ ንዓኺ ንሕና ኣስላም ናይ ሃገርና ነኽብርን ንፈቱን።

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Fiyameta » 02 Oct 2021, 16:27

If the terrorist agame Deqi-Arawit takes his cursed land of Tigray and merge it with Sudan, I have no objection whatsoever. The problem is, his Tigray no longer shares a common border with Sudan, so we suggest he implements the merger in the virtual world with his agame kin in attendance. I can be the Zoom meeting moderator. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 02 Oct 2021, 16:46

justo wrote:
02 Oct 2021, 16:21
Deqi-Arawit wrote:
02 Oct 2021, 15:08
The Dark man from Darfur tried to counter argument the northern Sudanese guy by claiming the only thing which lacks in Sudan is democracy, equality yada yada on which the northern argued if there is no fundamental factors which connect and bind them, how is democracy going to solve the puzzle..... 8) እዚ መልእኽቲ እዚ ነዘን ደቒ 9 ብሄራትን ንhardliner እዩ.
ኣግኣዚት ኣንቲ ደደብ እንታይ ኢና ክንገብሮ እዚ ድንቁርናኺ። ካባኺስ ያኢ ሶፊስቲከይትድ ኮይነ ኢልኪ ኢኺ። ደደብ ሶኢስቲከይትድ ዝኾነ ክመስሎ ኾሎ ጸገም እዩ መቸም ... ምስ ጻዕዳ ተዊዐልኪ ንኤርትራ ክትንዕቂ መሰል ዘለኪ እዩ ዝመስለኪ
ሃገራዊ ስሚዒት ኣብ ኤርትራ ሓያል እዩ።
ካብ ንዓኺ ንሕና ኣስላም ናይ ሃገርና ነኽብርን ንፈቱን።
ወይዘሮ justina
እስኪ ድኣ ደይ ፓፓጋሎ ሓንጎል ኣልቦ ኢኺ መስከነይቲ ሓሸከይ. ኣይትሓዘልክን እዩ. ንሕና ንመንግስትና, መንግስትና ንዓና ዝብላ ጭርሖ እንተ ሰሚዕኪ. ኣየ አወ ከም መንግስትና ዘይአለ, ንኣመሪካን ዓለምን አለሽ ዘበላ ኢልኪ ትደርፊ . ተደምርና ኢና ዝብሃላ ጭርሖታት እንተ መጺአን ክኣ, ከመይሲ ዘይንድመር ትብሊ ሽለት ፍጥረት ኡካ ኢኺ ንስኺ 🤣.

እስኺን ጓል ከማኽን መጠራት ኣሕዋት ኮንክን ትውስኽሉ የበልክን ተግድላሉ... እቲ ለውጢ ክመጽእ እዩ. 🙏

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Blueshift » 02 Oct 2021, 17:03

Deqi,

If that is the case, why isn't Somalia, the greatest nation on Earth ? Why is regionalism a nagging problem in Eritrea ? Why does the lizzard preach regionalism ?

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Blueshift » 02 Oct 2021, 17:03

Deqi,

If that is the case, why isn't Somalia, the greatest nation on Earth ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Why is regionalism a nagging problem in Eritrea ? Why does the lizzard preach regionalism ?

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by justo » 02 Oct 2021, 17:31

Deqi-Arawit wrote:
02 Oct 2021, 16:46

እስኪ ድኣ ደይ ፓፓጋሎ ሓንጎል ኣልቦ ኢኺ መስከነይቲ ሓሸከይ. ኣይትሓዘልክን እዩ. ንሕና ንመንግስትና, መንግስትና ንዓና ዝብላ ጭርሖ እንተ ሰሚዕኪ. ኣየ አወ ከም መንግስትና ዘይአለ, ንኣመሪካን ዓለምን አለሽ ዘበላ ኢልኪ ትደርፊ . ተደምርና ኢና ዝብሃላ ጭርሖታት እንተ መጺአን ክኣ, ከመይሲ ዘይንድመር ትብሊ ሽለት ፍጥረት ኡካ ኢኺ ንስኺ 🤣.

እስኺን ጓል ከማኽን መጠራት ኣሕዋት ኮንክን ትውስኽሉ የበልክን ተግድላሉ... እቲ ለውጢ ክመጽእ እዩ. 🙏
ኣቲ ኣግኣዚት ሓፍተይ ክንደይ ይረስሕ እቲ ኣፍኪ። ካብ መን ዝወረስክዮ ረስሓትዩ። ናይ እንዳቦኺ ድዩ ወይስ እንዳዴኺ። መቸም ሓዲኦምሲ ሚሂሮምኺ ኣለዉ እምበር እዚ ኹሉ ብዕልግና ዘይተወርሰ ኣባኪ ጥራይ ዝጀመረስ ኣይመስለንን

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 02 Oct 2021, 17:39

Blueshift wrote:
02 Oct 2021, 17:03
Deqi,

If that is the case, why isn't Somalia, the greatest nation on Earth ? Why is regionalism a nagging problem in Eritrea ? Why does the lizzard preach regionalism ?
Simple
Somalis are clan based society on which their loyalty is primarly within their clan, sub-clan. There is no a sense of nation and nationalism in clan based society.

In regard to region and regionslism, his emenince don't pay too much attention to it. i try to see the bigger picture on the ideology he tries to preach which are economy, foreign policy, social cohesion and national Identity.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Blueshift » 02 Oct 2021, 18:03

Deqi,

You ignore regionalism at your own peril. Sweeping regionalism under the rug has caused a great damage to social cohesion already. Look at South Sudan and Somalia.
BTW, you wrote,
In regard to region and regionslism, his emenince don't pay too much attention to it. i try to see the bigger picture on the ideology he tries to preach which are economy, foreign policy, social cohesion and national Identity.
What ideology.. :lol: :lol: .what economy!! That is even worse. Start from Adam Smith, basic economics and see where that takes you. That. ..social cohesion by preaching regionalism and religion divide ? ...National identity.....How ? :lol: That is comedy. The idiot is a street thief. I don't know what you see in him. Look at the bantu land of politics. That is what he is.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 02 Oct 2021, 20:01

Blueshift wrote:
02 Oct 2021, 18:03
Deqi,

You ignore regionalism at your own peril. Look at South Sudan and Somalia.
BTW, you wrote,
In regard to region and regionslism, his emenince don't pay too much attention to it. i try to see the bigger picture on the ideology he tries to preach which are economy, foreign policy, social cohesion and national Identity.
What ideology...what economy....social cohesion by preaching regionalism and religion divide ? ...National identity.....How ? :lol: That is comedy. The idiot is a street thief. I don't know what you see in him. Look at the bantu land of politics. That is what he is.
First of all, it is a comparison between an Apple and an orange. South sudan consist of two largest tribes, the dinka and the nuer tribes with different language and tradition hence your argument is void.

In our case, it is more or less similar to the rivality between the London teams of Totenham, Arsenal or Chelsea, at least this is how i see it. of course There are some snowflakes Who think region is like Identity or race but region is just a real estate which have its own administration.
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When this Snow flake talks about seraye Identity, What are the uniqueness of seraye Identity which is totally different than the rest of the Tigrigna.?
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Other Snow flakes which are more narrow minded than Tigrians Who try to create a state on the Base of ጥሕሎ.

in conclusion, when all eritreans regardless of their region are supressed and are equally poor, thei argument of the snowföakes to start an organization which is based on the region is just totally wrong. They are just playing in the hand of the dictator.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Blueshift » 03 Oct 2021, 10:20

Deqi wrote,
First of all, it is a comparison between an Apple and an orange. South sudan consist of two largest tribes, the dinka and the nuer tribes with different language and tradition hence your argument is void.
How different ? Did you live in that society ? Are they much different than the Italians, the French and the Germans who live in Switzerland ? Are they different than the American population who live together in the spectrum that represents almost practically the whole world ?
You wrote,
When this Snow flake talks about seraye Identity, What are the uniqueness of seraye Ident
I know you like to pick on the people of Seraye, but facts reveal that the people of Seraye are the least regionalist compared to the people of Hammasien and Akele. There has never been such thing as Seraye identity. Actually, the regionalism divide was used in EPLF which represented mostly the people of Akeles and Hamassiens. Most of the people of Seraye fought along the ELF lines.
You wrote,
They are just playing in the hand of the dictator.
Pssst. EPLF is the creation of Isayas Afeworqi from the inception. EPLF reflects what Isayas is all about. EPLF breaths Isayas Afeworqi in and out. Unfortunately, what EPLF is to Isayas, The lizzard Tesfatsion has become of you. Are are Agazian promotor like he is ? I really don't even understand why you oppose Isayas ? My problem with Isayas is very simple. He has denied the Eritrean people to choose their own government for long . What really is your opposition to him?

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 03 Oct 2021, 12:48

Blueshift wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 10:20

How different ? Did you live in that society ? Are they much different than the Italians, the French and the Germans who live in Switzerland ? Are they different than the American population who live together in the spectrum that represents almost practically the whole world ?
African countries including South Sudan are artificial countries on which European powers drew their map and border without the consideration of the local inhabitants. it was not with consent or feedback of southern sudanese the current map is drawn, but by the British colonial powers. That is also why the Nuer and the Dinka are on each other throat constantly and Northern sudanese always expose the sedition between the tribes to pursue its own interest. On the other hand, all the ethnic groups of Switzerland joined the union voluntarily and gradually. They have the same vision and destination on which they want their country to reach.
I know you like to pick on the people of Seraye, but facts reveal that the people of Seraye are the least regionalist compared to the people of Hammasien and Akele. There has never been such thing as Seraye identity. Actually, the regionalism divide was used in EPLF which represented mostly the people of Akeles and Hamassiens. Most of the people of Seraye fought along the ELF lines.
Exactly, Where is the regionalism here? People from Hamasien, Semhar and akeleguzay preferred to fight under the banner of EPLF while Barka,Seraye and Senhit fought under the banner of the ELF. :roll:


You wrote,
Pssst. EPLF is the creation of Isayas Afeworqi from the inception. EPLF reflects what Isayas is all about. EPLF breaths Isayas Afeworqi in and out. Unfortunately, what EPLF is to Isayas, The lizzard Tesfatsion has become of you. Are are Agazian promotor like he is ? I really don't even understand why you oppose Isayas ? My problem with Isayas is very simple. He has denied the Eritrean people to choose their own government for long . What really is your opposition to him?
EPLF doesn't breath the alcoholic junk, Perhaps you are one those sunny boys or Tsehay Tebrek who started to know the EPLF after independence to come to the conclusion that EPLF breaths Issias. The dictator is an incompetent leader on which ቆመሽ ኣደይ ሓንኩልኒ is the order of the day while the EPLF was the most formidable military organization in the Dark continent.

Now let me return to the subject which is close to your heart which is regionalism and why you failed to understand me or my stand to the dictator.

Regionalism

You have accused many Eritreans in this forum for been regionalist, it seems you have an extra sensitive sensor which detect the level of one person regional affiliation. And this has nothing to do with the people whom you accuse to be regionalist but with you. There is a Swedish proverb which goes by, you see what you want to see or you hear what you want to hear. In your case, region is on the top of the list in the category on which you judge people with. In fact you reminds me about Putin reply when Sleepy Joe accused the Russian president for been a killer. This is how he replied to him.

You know I remember in my childhood, when we argued in the playground we used to say, 'it takes one to know one'," And that's not a coincidence, not just a children's saying or joke. It has deep psychological meaning. We always see our own traits in other people and think they are like how we really are. And as a result we evaluate [a person's] actions and give assessments."
And you my friend evaluate people action and give assessment from your own traits. you think I become a cheerleader or supporter of one individual on the base of their region rather than their merit, that is also why I support the ideology of Tesfatsion. That is you and your traits my friend. The track record of his eminence is crystal clear in this forum. This is what I replied to you in 2014 when you started a topic "#why would the ballot box solve every Eritrean problem. Note the year here, this is way before the surface of Tesfatsion in the public arena.


Deqi-Arawit believe in the Turkish Model, On which the army have a central role and influence not only to fend off foreign intrusion but also to protect the republic against anyone who tries to instigate conflict along ethnic, religion regional lines... in simple and plain language....civilian rule can legislate laws but the military should have supreme power to overrule any law which it perceives get in collusion course with the country*s secular nature not to mention laws which can be viewed as an attempt by some few to break the cohesion and social fabric of the country.........This is provisional and temporary solution which can take one generation..but in the long terms, Once Eritrea become a middle income nation, we can afford to have the western kind of democracy.

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Years later, Tesfatsion repeated the same gospel I sang in Mereja church for many years that western democracy doesn't work in heterogeneous society who lacks basic commodities to consume and instead of the Turkish model which I preached, he came with the solution of Majority rule and minority right. He also came with the ideas how to develop our economy by inhabiting the coastal areas and compete in the textile industries with Bangladesh,China and turkey. As you see, What bind me with Tesfatsion is an ideology not region as you portray it to be. Besides this, you are more compassionate to what you do when you are bound with ideology rather than support an individual because he hails from the same shithole as you.


Snowflakes in General never think in terms of nation or country but they think in terms of village or region that is also why, they are doomed to fail in every political endeavor they pursue with.

Listen to this snowflake for further evidence, Weizero Eden favorite "Philosopher"
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The city of Vladivostok is closer to China or North Korea than to the Russian capital Moscow, still though, it is a Russian city in the pacific. Do you think, this snowflakes doesn't know this fact, he does but he is just a snowflake who never think in terms of nation or nation building but a village idiot who think in terms of village or region.

peace!

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by AbyssiniaLady » 03 Oct 2021, 14:14

Simple
Somalis are clan based society on which their loyalty is primarly within their clan, sub-clan. There is no a sense of nation and nationalism in clan based society.
Clearly you don't fully understand the meaning of "nation and nationalism", Somalis nationalism is the main reason why they have never recognized the Ethiopia-Kenya-Somalia borders drawn by British and Italian colonialism, And the Soviet Union-Ethiopia-Cuba and Somalia war is also an example of Somali nationalism, Somali nationalists successfully kept Ethiopia's 84 different ethnic groups and Kenya's 42 different ethnic groups at bay.

Stop insulting people and go read a Somali history book!!

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Blueshift » 03 Oct 2021, 16:12

Deqi aka Agazian old man,

You blabber too much. EPLF was sick with regionalism. The true fighters of EPLF died for the people. The leaders of EPLF divided them along regional lines. Almost all generals were from Hammasien. Almost all of the security personel were from Akele Guzay. That also holds true today. Phillippos is from Hamassien and Abraha Kassa , Ghebredigle etc are from Akele. You are paper tiger. Not much intellect. You berate Eritrean moslems. You are that stupid my friend. You worship the lizzard who blabbers agazian and berates the people of Akele and Seraye, and you have the guts to defend him on this website. :twisted: :lol: No wonder they call you agame for you are agazian, and you don't bother to hide it. ELF was never regionalist. It had problems with religion, but at least, it worked on it. :lol: More important, it was not owned by one man.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Zack » 03 Oct 2021, 16:39

Can some one explain what tesfasation is it tigrigna tigray union. Is it a new political ideology and what is the difference between agazian and tesfation thanks in advance.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by kerenite » 04 Oct 2021, 14:01

Zack wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 16:39
Can some one explain what tesfasation is it tigrigna tigray union. Is it a new political ideology and what is the difference between agazian and tesfation thanks in advance.

Dr Zackovich
Dr. Zackovich,

The tigray-tigrigni crap aka agazian surfaced in the year 1950s and its brain child was then weldeab weldemariam and who was an eritrean with axum ancestry.

However, post-1960 it was temporarily frozen but not dead. Hence, his descendants such as tesfatsion or letetsion revived it with the help of weyanne. The weyanne of course with ulterior motive.

One of the funny manifesto of the agazians is that eri lowlanders are living in agazian land. According to them, Barka, senhit and gash are agazians lands. Therefore the lowlanders who inhabit them, they have to pay extra taxes for being allowed to live in agazian land. Lol

Ironically, the current capo of the agazians letetsion is a newcomer to eritrea. He is one of the offspring of alula remnants who left them behind in eritrea.

Deqi arawit is one of them.

I hope, I answered your question.

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Zack » 04 Oct 2021, 14:37

Ooh nice that makes things very clear. So its a revivial of the tigray tigrigna stuff. By the way isnt deqi from ekeleguzay. And most descendants of ras alula are in hamasien. Did alula also capture akele guzay province i thought he only subdued hamasien. And perhaps the shortlegged sereyens

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Re: The Ideology of Tesfatsion is spreading to Sudan

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 05 Oct 2021, 17:24

Blueshift wrote:
03 Oct 2021, 16:12
Deqi aka Agazian old man,

You blabber too much. EPLF was sick with regionalism. The true fighters of EPLF died for the people. The leaders of EPLF divided them along regional lines. Almost all generals were from Hammasien. Almost all of the security personel were from Akele Guzay. That also holds true today. Phillippos is from Hamassien and Abraha Kassa , Ghebredigle etc are from Akele. You are paper tiger. Not much intellect. You berate Eritrean moslems. You are that stupid my friend. You worship the lizzard who blabbers agazian and berates the people of Akele and Seraye, and you have the guts to defend him on this website. :twisted: :lol: No wonder they call you agame for you are agazian, and you don't bother to hide it. ELF was never regionalist. It had problems with religion, but at least, it worked on it. :lol: More important, it was not owned by one man.
Snowflake!
You need to study the history of the EPLF and its inception before you accuse the EPLF for having regionalist tendencies as some snowflakes accused to be. Here is the footage of the people who split from the ELF to start the EPLF organization.



To satisfy your snowflake-nature, I am going to write down their ancestral country side.

Zemichael Ketema = Seraye
Issias Afwerki = Tselot father and Agame mother....
Weldenkiel Haile = Akeleguzay, Segenyeti)
Weldemsamatat Habtemariam (Hamasien)
Tseguy Qeshi tekle = Hamasien, adI Akelom )
Issias Tewelde aka wedi flansa = Akeleguzay)
Mebrahtu Gebru = Hamasien,Adi tekelezan
Abraha Ande = Hamasien, Zagir)
Mehari Oqbazghi = Hamasien, Kuazen)
GezaE habte = Hamasien, Kuazen)
Teklu sheriffu = Hamasien, Beleza)
Berhau Habte = Hamasien, Kuazen)
Tekle Gebreselasie = Hamasien, 4 asmara)
Beraki Fenkil aka wedi Fenkil = Akeleguzay.

The 2 men who were absent from the picture

Tewelde Eyob = Akeleguzay, SesHa)
Gebretsadiq Guangul = Akeleguzay

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