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[Aurorae]

Nizzy,

Let me teach you about faulty logic.

You wrote,

If Mesfin is in Tigray saying what woyane wants to hear it means he is bought

Your logical error. Error: Mesfin could be in Tigray, and he may not say what Weyane wants to hear. Hence, he is not bought. In other words, Weyane needs Mesfin as much as Mesfin needs weyane.

You wrote,

He has no capacity to start any kind of civil war, him traveling to Tigray only shows his and woyane's desperation

He may be old, but his experience and just his presence can be the inspiration to give it a jump start. In other words, he does not need to be physical to lead. He does not have to be a commander if you understand the art of war, he does not have to be physically fit. It is the inspiration that does the majic. You seem to over generalize with faulty logic.
You wrote,

He gambled and he lost

How old are you ? How did he lose ? He has not even started yet.

[nizzy]

Nizzy,

Let me teach you about faulty logic.

You wrote,

If Mesfin is in Tigray saying what woyane wants to hear it means he is bought

Your logical error. Error: Mesfin could be in Tigray, and he may not say what Weyane wants to hear. Hence, he is not bought. In other words, Weyane needs Mesfin as much as Mesfin needs weyane.

ayye logic . A man with no money, no serious following, no army, is someone the woyane scumbags need just as much as he needs them? I thank you memhir Aurorae for your wise council, but I think I'll go with the obvious.

He may be old, but his experience and just his presence can be the inspiration to give it a jump start. In other words, he does not need to be physical to lead. He does not have to be a commander if you understand the art of war, he does not have to be physically fit. It is the inspiration that does the majic. You seem to over generalize with faulty logic.

Sure thing pal, there is nothing Mesfin has that PFDJ doesn't have, just remember hope is free but magic isn't real. If all these years he couldn't do anything about PFDJ while woyane were at their peak there is nothing he can do now.

How old are you ? How did he lose ? He has not even started yet.

Because I don't want to get into a silly argument with you over this I am going to be extremely generous to what Mesfin Hagos did and simply say he tried "something" and it failed PFDJ survived he and his co-conspirators either went into exile or were arrested. Since that time he has attempted to join or start different organizations. To this day PFDJ is still in power and not only are they in power but their chief rival woyane have been removed from power in Addis. My feelings towards PFDJ doesn't cloud my judgement to the reality on the ground. The PFDJ has won, he has lost.

[Aurorae]

Nizzy wrote,

Sure thing pal, there is nothing Mesfin has that PFDJ doesn't have, just remember hope is free but magic isn't real. If all these years he couldn't do anything about PFDJ while woyane were at their peak there is nothing he can do now.

There was nothing Mengistu didn't have Isayas and Mesfin had. !!!! You see, those in power always forget the intangibles of freedom fighters over dictators.
Nizzy wrote,

yye logic . A man with no money, no serious following, no army, is someone the woyane scumbags need just as much as he needs them? I thank you memhir Aurorae for your wise council, but I think I'll go with the obvious.
Aurorae wrote:

Hailesellasie said the same thing about the Eritrean hero, Idris Awate.
Anyhow, I hope I am not talking to a well meaning and fast talking smart underage Eritrean girl. Have fun little sis.

[nizzy]

There was nothing Mengistu didn't have Isayas and Mesfin had. !!!! You see, those in power always forget the intangibles of freedom fighters over dictators.

Pretty sure Eritrean people were with Isaias and the EPLF, Mengistu didn't have that. My proof is the fact that Isaias and others were actively fighting in Eritrea no in the diaspora or an enemy territory like Mesfin.

Hailesellasie said the same thing about the Eritrean hero, Idris Awate.
Anyhow, I hope I am not talking to a well meaning and fast talking smart underage Eritrean girl. Have fun little sis.

Its been nearly 20 years bro, in this amount of time Isaias was at the head of a powerful army that is the difference between him Mesfin and others. The PFDJ has won, the so called "opposition" who worked with woyane or otherwise have all failed. We need to stop living in a fantasy land, come to terms with the truth so that we can move forward and figure out what we need to do next.

[Aurorae]

Nizzy,

Nice try.
Gadafi had his own army and his so called loving people who hated his guts. You can say the same thing for Sadame Hussein, Syad Bare who was a lot like Isayas, Idi Amin, etc.... . Dictators claim to love the peopple they rule with iron clad. Isayas has led Eritrea without oversight for the last 29 years. No constitution, no transparency, etc...etc... Eritrean heroes have been vegetating without a day in court for the last 20 years. Do the people of Eritrea love Isayas or are they scared of him? The country is dirt poor, the population is reduced by a third. That is unheard of. Mesfin is very angry. He better be, There are 70,000, some Sawa trained in Tigray ready for the picking. You ignore all that and you shop cherry picking at the expense of the Eritrean people ? Stop joking. Once the fire flares, it can consume Eritrea. Study Syad Bare and Somalia, that is perhaps what is awaiting Eritrea ? Stop joking perhaps you may not pay for it. Mesfin is very popular, His inspiration can jump start and you may not like the repercussions that follow. All dictators look indomitable up until the last minute. Enough for pal or bro, write like a young lady that you are.

[nizzy]

Do the people of Eritrea love Isayas or are they scared of him? The country is dirt poor, the population is reduced by a third. That is unheard of. Mesfin is very angry. He better be, There are 70,000, some Sawa trained in Tigray ready for the picking. You ignore all that and you shop cherry picking at the expense of the Eritrean people ? Stop joking. Once the fire flares, it can consume Eritrea. Study Syad Bare and Somalia, that is perhaps what is awaiting Eritrea ? Stop joking perhaps you may not pay for it. Mesfin is very popular, His inspiration can jump start and you may not like the repercussions that follow.

I knew you'd go off topic with the typical rant. So you think Eritreans who weren't afraid of Derg while they were crushing villagers with tanks their tanks and killing people on the streets of Asmara are now suddenly afraid of Isaias? If you would look past your all consuming hatred of the PFDJ you many have considered that many in Eritrea still support him this is especially true when you consider the fact that unlike woyane no outside power supported Isaias. It is you who cherry picks the uncomfortable facts i'm presenting to you.

All dictators look indomitable up until the last minute.

This is most definitely not true. Everyone of the people you listed had an on going war they were losing.

Enough for pal or bro, write like a young lady that you are.

Well I'm not a female, and I assumed you were a dude like myself that's hence "bro". I know you hate the PFDJ but i'm not the guy you should be taking your frustrations out on, these little childish games only ruin the quality of discussion.

[Aurorae]

Nizzy,

You are male ? Your writing has femalish tone. No pun intended. My apology. BTW, I don't hate PFDJ. PFDJ is just a party. I don't agree with its philosophy. Now, back to dictators. Hitler was loved so was Stalin to the end. However, it wasn't true love. It was fear. The Eritrean people fear PFDJ for PFDJ has no mercy. pfdj jailed a fourteen year old little girl. She still is in prison eight years later. Eritreans can not visit their loved ones in prison. That is something even the Derg didn't do to our people. You can play no hear no see. But, the whole world knows it. Human right groups talk about it at the UN every year. So, please. Stop ridiculing' our people. Our people do not have any voice in their own government that is after their children paid so much. That is what is angering Mesfin. Mesfin risked his life for over thirty years, and here, you are mocking him. Things will not be like they are today forever. Freedom will ring. You are at the wrong side of history when legitimate popular government takes foot hold in Eritrea. Isayas blew it. He could have been a citadel in Eritrean history. He traded all that for what ? Infamy like the likes of Sadam ? Open your eyes,and stand for your people if you have what it takes. When it comes to the interest of my people, nothing is negotiable. BTW, I do not hate Isayas or pfdj. I don't even hate the cheer leaders. It is human fallibility.

[nizzy]

Listen you're implying Isaias is in power because people are afraid not because people support him. When I bring up derg and how Eritreans faced them you have no counter argument. This is why i can't take you guys seriously, you're trying to tell me derg who did this to our people

is somehow less scary than Isaias?

By the way, I only ridicule woyane scum and any Eritrean who thinks they can work with them to somehow take power in Asmara. So don't give me the holier than thou speech. Not everyone thinks like you or comes to the same conclusions as you do.

[Aurorae]

Nizzy,

You said, " When you guys....", I hope you know you are generalizing. Derg was an alien. But, like I said the Derg was much softer than PFDJ when it came to Eritrean political prisoners. At least, the families were allowed to take food and visit their families. The Derg did not use containers to imprison Eritreans. Don't get me wrong, the Derg was a brutal enemy. But, the Eritrean government imprisons in containers without a day in court for over twenty years to the Eritrean people. The picture you posted is Haile Sellasie's attrocity committed to Eritreans. PFDJ works in secrecy. Some of it is going to be gruesome. Now, how about addressing, a fourteen year old girl in prison and still detained for the last eight years, can you address that ? Eritreans do this to Eritreans. Please, don't try to take the moral high ground, you don't have it. It is called the history can of garbage is what is happening. Yes, Eritreans are ruled by formidable fear by so called liberators. You are as guilty as they are, when the true history is written. Derg is alien. It is to be expected. But, Eritreans suffering at the hands of other Eritreans who are above the law. Please, stop pretending. You are an adult. You know right from wrong, but you are playing games at the suffering of innocent Eritreans. Hope you search your soul when the right time comes emancipation will be realized. It will trust me. It did all over world. Much of Africa is free now, Eritrea is just far behind even by the standards of Africans. The likes of Se-gera were making fun of Eritreans. Who do you think is responsible for that. Look in the mirror. You support the system that gave the reason for the likes of Se-gera to spit at Eritrea and its people. Do not play dummy, you know it. For what ever reason, you support the system of fear and atrocity.

[nizzy]

Yes you guys, people such as yourself who are going to sit there and tell me "derg was much softer than PFDJ when it came to Eritrean political prisoners." That statement is among the most ludicrous things I've read on these forums. Imagine being so blinded by hatred to as believing that derg who crushed innocent women and children with their tanks would somehow treat Eritrean political opponents better than innocent villagers who did nothing to derg. I don't think you and I are going to come to any kind of meaningful agreement.

[Aurorae]

Nizzy,

Swallow it. Derg did not imprison Eritreans in containers. Derg allowed families to visit. Yet, Derg was a brutal colonialist. You are Eritrean, and you know exactly what is happening to Eritrean prisoners. You and your likes do not have any moral ground over the Derg. It is painful crimes are committed against innocent Eritreans by so called liberators. You and your likes will be thrown in the dust bin of history. But, you will deny what you are supporting today. When you start "you guys", the implication is that you are not one of us. You are not for the people. You are not dummy. You know the ins and outs. You support that system. People like you poisoned our wells yesterday and pretending PFDJ hardliners you continue where you left of. It is plain and simple. If you are really Eritrean and you are doing this intentionally to the Eritrean people, what does that make you ? Stop saying you guys, I am individual, and I take responsibility for my views. Talk like educated person.

[nizzy]

Aurorae:
you said, " When you guys....", I hope you know you are generalizing.
You and your likes will be thrown in the dust bin of history.

also Aurorae:
Stop saying you guys, I am individual, and I take responsibility for my views. Talk like educated person.

I stopped taking thread seriously the moment you tried to convince me derg was kinder to Eritreans.

[Aurorae]

Nizzy,

Derg was a killer. That is given. But, Derg is an enemy. But, when would be liberators lock innocent Eritreans in extreme hot containers imprisoning,without due process for decades, what does that say to you ? I don't know if you know, you are the very victim of the system unless you are doing it out of malice to the Eritrean people. 29 years, what does the system has to show, a nameless dirt poor little country on its way to oblivion.

[kerenite]

Listen you're implying Isaias is in power because people are afraid not because people support him. When I bring up derg and how Eritreans faced them you have no counter argument. This is why i can't take you guys seriously, you're trying to tell me derg who did this to our people

is somehow less scary than Isaias?

By the way, I only ridicule woyane scum and any Eritrean who thinks they can work with them to somehow take power in Asmara. So don't give me the holier than thou speech. Not everyone thinks like you or comes to the same conclusions as you do.

Nizzy,

I would like to comment on the image of the 21 jeganu eri tegadelti who were ambushed by sillassie's colonial troops at mensaE area and were massacred in the second half of the 1960s of last century.

Their corpses were brought to Keren and hanged in Keren market place. Hundreds attended and watched the corpses of the tegadelti with shock and anger.

Who were those 21 tegadeltis?

80% of them were deQi Keren. Amongst them as I mentioned several times was my eldest brother (bokri geza). He completed his 8th grade class and my parents were planing to send him to asmara to complete his secondary school and further while there was no secondary school in keren then. But he joined the ELF.

Two of those you see hanged were famous footballers in Keren. Another one was the son (the only son) of Ibrahimo who was the vice mayor of keren. Ibrahimo was a pro-ethiopia type. Once he saw his son among the hanged ones, he fainted and he was partially paralized and since then till his death he was utilizing wheelchair to move.

I know you are a higdefite but I am sharing this for the record.

P. S.

Unlike shaabia ELf aka jebha, were always quick in retaliation, few days later after the massacre they liquidated the traitors in mensaE who tipped the sellallssie troops the whereabouts of the tegadelti in that area.

[nizzy]

Nizzy,

I would like to comment on the image of the 21 jeganu eri tegadelti who were ambushed by sillassie's colonial troops at mensaE area and were massacred in the second half of the 1960s of last century.

Their corpses were brought to Keren and hanged in Keren market place. Hundreds attended and watched the corpses of the tegadelti with shock and anger.

Who were those 21 tegadeltis?

80% of them were deQi Keren. Amongst them as I mentioned several times was my eldest brother (bokri geza). He completed his 8th grade class and my parents were planing to send him to asmara to complete his secondary school and further while there was no secondary school in keren then. But he joined the ELF.

Two of those you see hanged were famous footballers in Keren. Another one was the son (the only son) of Ibrahimo who was the vice mayor of keren. Ibrahimo was a pro-ethiopia type. Once he saw his son among the hanged ones, he fainted and he was partially paralized and since then till his death he was utilizing wheelchair to move.

Selam

I'm sorry for posting the picture, it is painful enough for Eritreans to see this it must be worse for those who are directly related to them. Your post reminded me of she'eb memorial display in Mitsuwa museum I can only imagine the horrors the people of she'ab had to go through.

I know you are a higdefite but I am sharing this for the record.

P. S.

Unlike shaabia ELf aka jebha, were always quick in retaliation, few days later after the massacre they liquidated the traitors in mensaE who tipped the sellallssie troops the whereabouts of the tegadelti in that area.

Ahh of course you had post this tidbit, couldn't help yourself mish?