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ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by Naga Tuma » 16 Nov 2025, 15:12

ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ሕልም ሳይ ኣዕምሮ የምያስበዉን ቅዠት ነዉ ብዬ ኣልፋለሁ። ኣንዳንዴ ስለ ሕልሙ ኣሰላስላለሁ።

የማልረሳዉ እዉነት የሆነብኝ ሕልም ኣይቼ ኣዉቃለሁ። ሕልሙ እኔ እንደፈታሁት ነዉ።

በቅርብ ያየሁኝ ሕልም ከኣዕምሮዬ ዉጪ የነበረን የኣንድ ሰዉ ምስል ነዉ።

ኢትዮጵያ እያለሁ ተዋዉቄዉ ለብዙ ዓመታት ያላየሁት ሰዉ በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ቁጭ ብሎ ኣየሁት።

ያኔ ሳዉቀዉ ምንም መላጣ ኣልነበረዉም። ለብዙ ዓመታት ኣይቼዉ ስለማላዉቅ ኣሁን መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ኣላዉቅም።

በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ሲቀመጥ አናቱ በብዛት መላጣ ሆኖ ኣየሁት።

መልስ ያጣሁለት ጥያቄ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ እንዴት ሆኖ ነዉ ድሮ የማዉቀዉን ሰዉ ዛሬ ምናልባትም በአካል የሚመስለዉን በሕልሜ ያየሁት?

ምናልባትም ያልኩኝ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ስለማላዉቅ ነዉ።

ዛሬ የሚመስለዉ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ ይህን ሕልም ኣየሁ ማለት እችላለሁ ወይስ ኣሳየኝ ማለት ይቻላል?

ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ የሚመስል ካልሆነ ይህ ቅዠት ነዉ ተብሎ ይታለፍ።

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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by ZEMEN » 17 Nov 2025, 10:22

Naga Tuma wrote:
16 Nov 2025, 15:12
ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ሕልም ሳይ ኣዕምሮ የምያስበዉን ቅዠት ነዉ ብዬ ኣልፋለሁ። ኣንዳንዴ ስለ ሕልሙ ኣሰላስላለሁ።

የማልረሳዉ እዉነት የሆነብኝ ሕልም ኣይቼ ኣዉቃለሁ። ሕልሙ እኔ እንደፈታሁት ነዉ።

በቅርብ ያየሁኝ ሕልም ከኣዕምሮዬ ዉጪ የነበረን የኣንድ ሰዉ ምስል ነዉ።

ኢትዮጵያ እያለሁ ተዋዉቄዉ ለብዙ ዓመታት ያላየሁት ሰዉ በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ቁጭ ብሎ ኣየሁት።

ያኔ ሳዉቀዉ ምንም መላጣ ኣልነበረዉም። ለብዙ ዓመታት ኣይቼዉ ስለማላዉቅ ኣሁን መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ኣላዉቅም።

በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ሲቀመጥ አናቱ በብዛት መላጣ ሆኖ ኣየሁት።

መልስ ያጣሁለት ጥያቄ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ እንዴት ሆኖ ነዉ ድሮ የማዉቀዉን ሰዉ ዛሬ ምናልባትም በአካል የሚመስለዉን በሕልሜ ያየሁት?

ምናልባትም ያልኩኝ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ስለማላዉቅ ነዉ።

ዛሬ የሚመስለዉ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ ይህን ሕልም ኣየሁ ማለት እችላለሁ ወይስ ኣሳየኝ ማለት ይቻላል?

ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ የሚመስል ካልሆነ ይህ ቅዠት ነዉ ተብሎ ይታለፍ።
If it was ቅዠት you wouldn't be able to remember and recall your dreams. However, since you are remembering vividly, then something must happen to the person in your dreams. Losing hair normally equates for someone to lose family members.

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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by Abere » 17 Nov 2025, 11:53

ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:

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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Nov 2025, 11:55

ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 10:22
Naga Tuma wrote:
16 Nov 2025, 15:12
ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ሕልም ሳይ ኣዕምሮ የምያስበዉን ቅዠት ነዉ ብዬ ኣልፋለሁ። ኣንዳንዴ ስለ ሕልሙ ኣሰላስላለሁ።

የማልረሳዉ እዉነት የሆነብኝ ሕልም ኣይቼ ኣዉቃለሁ። ሕልሙ እኔ እንደፈታሁት ነዉ።

በቅርብ ያየሁኝ ሕልም ከኣዕምሮዬ ዉጪ የነበረን የኣንድ ሰዉ ምስል ነዉ።

ኢትዮጵያ እያለሁ ተዋዉቄዉ ለብዙ ዓመታት ያላየሁት ሰዉ በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ቁጭ ብሎ ኣየሁት።

ያኔ ሳዉቀዉ ምንም መላጣ ኣልነበረዉም። ለብዙ ዓመታት ኣይቼዉ ስለማላዉቅ ኣሁን መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ኣላዉቅም።

በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ሲቀመጥ አናቱ በብዛት መላጣ ሆኖ ኣየሁት።

መልስ ያጣሁለት ጥያቄ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ እንዴት ሆኖ ነዉ ድሮ የማዉቀዉን ሰዉ ዛሬ ምናልባትም በአካል የሚመስለዉን በሕልሜ ያየሁት?

ምናልባትም ያልኩኝ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ስለማላዉቅ ነዉ።

ዛሬ የሚመስለዉ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ ይህን ሕልም ኣየሁ ማለት እችላለሁ ወይስ ኣሳየኝ ማለት ይቻላል?

ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ የሚመስል ካልሆነ ይህ ቅዠት ነዉ ተብሎ ይታለፍ።
If it was ቅዠት you wouldn't be able to remember and recall your dreams. However, since you are remembering vividly, then something must happen to the person in your dreams. Losing hair normally equates for someone to lose family members.
That is very cheap. It reveals you.

You are “introjecting” that you would lose your family member if I saw you in my dream that you have become bold.

The question is if I knew you some twenty years ago when you weren’t bold, never saw you in person ever since, and I saw you in a vivid dream today that you have become bold, and if it is proven that you have become bold like I saw you in my dream, how is it possible that I saw in a dream what you look like today. Keep in mind that it hasn’t been proven yet that you look like how I saw you in my vivid dream today.

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Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Nov 2025, 12:21

Abere:

I haven’t been a practitioner at an organized place for some 33 years even though I have remained faithful within.

My simple question is scientific.

Suppose you were a friend from Ethiopia that I saw in person some twenty years ago and that you didn’t have any sign of boldness when I saw you last.

I have never seen you since then. I have no idea if you have become bold.

I saw you in my dream today that you have become bold. I have yet to see you in person to prove that you look like today who you looked like in my dream.

Put differently, I saw you as A a long time ago and saw you as B in my dream today. It is not proven yet if you have become B or remained A. The question is if you have become B, what explains the fact that I saw B in a dream without having ever seen B in the real world.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:53
ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:
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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by ZEMEN » 17 Nov 2025, 12:39

Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:55
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 10:22
Naga Tuma wrote:
16 Nov 2025, 15:12
ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ሕልም ሳይ ኣዕምሮ የምያስበዉን ቅዠት ነዉ ብዬ ኣልፋለሁ። ኣንዳንዴ ስለ ሕልሙ ኣሰላስላለሁ።

የማልረሳዉ እዉነት የሆነብኝ ሕልም ኣይቼ ኣዉቃለሁ። ሕልሙ እኔ እንደፈታሁት ነዉ።

በቅርብ ያየሁኝ ሕልም ከኣዕምሮዬ ዉጪ የነበረን የኣንድ ሰዉ ምስል ነዉ።

ኢትዮጵያ እያለሁ ተዋዉቄዉ ለብዙ ዓመታት ያላየሁት ሰዉ በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ቁጭ ብሎ ኣየሁት።

ያኔ ሳዉቀዉ ምንም መላጣ ኣልነበረዉም። ለብዙ ዓመታት ኣይቼዉ ስለማላዉቅ ኣሁን መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ኣላዉቅም።

በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ሲቀመጥ አናቱ በብዛት መላጣ ሆኖ ኣየሁት።

መልስ ያጣሁለት ጥያቄ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ እንዴት ሆኖ ነዉ ድሮ የማዉቀዉን ሰዉ ዛሬ ምናልባትም በአካል የሚመስለዉን በሕልሜ ያየሁት?

ምናልባትም ያልኩኝ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ስለማላዉቅ ነዉ።

ዛሬ የሚመስለዉ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ ይህን ሕልም ኣየሁ ማለት እችላለሁ ወይስ ኣሳየኝ ማለት ይቻላል?

ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ የሚመስል ካልሆነ ይህ ቅዠት ነዉ ተብሎ ይታለፍ።
If it was ቅዠት you wouldn't be able to remember and recall your dreams. However, since you are remembering vividly, then something must happen to the person in your dreams. Losing hair normally equates for someone to lose family members.
That is very cheap. It reveals you.

You are “introjecting” that you would lose your family member if I saw you in my dream that you have become bold.

The question is if I knew you some twenty years ago when you weren’t bold, never saw you in person ever since, and I saw you in a vivid dream today that you have become bold, and if it is proven that you have become bold like I saw you in my dream, how is it possible that I saw in a dream what you look like today. Keep in mind that it hasn’t been proven yet that you look like how I saw you in my vivid dream today.
Never mind. I was wrong about you. You are not only in state of ቅዠት but delusional. I shared with you what people say about solving dreams. Now, that is what you call preposterous as you are.

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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Nov 2025, 12:59

That makes you the skunk that hastily “introjected” a bad omen against a family member of someone else that he doesn’t know about.
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:39
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:55
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 10:22
Naga Tuma wrote:
16 Nov 2025, 15:12
ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ሕልም ሳይ ኣዕምሮ የምያስበዉን ቅዠት ነዉ ብዬ ኣልፋለሁ። ኣንዳንዴ ስለ ሕልሙ ኣሰላስላለሁ።

የማልረሳዉ እዉነት የሆነብኝ ሕልም ኣይቼ ኣዉቃለሁ። ሕልሙ እኔ እንደፈታሁት ነዉ።

በቅርብ ያየሁኝ ሕልም ከኣዕምሮዬ ዉጪ የነበረን የኣንድ ሰዉ ምስል ነዉ።

ኢትዮጵያ እያለሁ ተዋዉቄዉ ለብዙ ዓመታት ያላየሁት ሰዉ በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ቁጭ ብሎ ኣየሁት።

ያኔ ሳዉቀዉ ምንም መላጣ ኣልነበረዉም። ለብዙ ዓመታት ኣይቼዉ ስለማላዉቅ ኣሁን መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ኣላዉቅም።

በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ሲቀመጥ አናቱ በብዛት መላጣ ሆኖ ኣየሁት።

መልስ ያጣሁለት ጥያቄ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ እንዴት ሆኖ ነዉ ድሮ የማዉቀዉን ሰዉ ዛሬ ምናልባትም በአካል የሚመስለዉን በሕልሜ ያየሁት?

ምናልባትም ያልኩኝ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ስለማላዉቅ ነዉ።

ዛሬ የሚመስለዉ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ ይህን ሕልም ኣየሁ ማለት እችላለሁ ወይስ ኣሳየኝ ማለት ይቻላል?

ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ የሚመስል ካልሆነ ይህ ቅዠት ነዉ ተብሎ ይታለፍ።
If it was ቅዠት you wouldn't be able to remember and recall your dreams. However, since you are remembering vividly, then something must happen to the person in your dreams. Losing hair normally equates for someone to lose family members.
That is very cheap. It reveals you.

You are “introjecting” that you would lose your family member if I saw you in my dream that you have become bold.

The question is if I knew you some twenty years ago when you weren’t bold, never saw you in person ever since, and I saw you in a vivid dream today that you have become bold, and if it is proven that you have become bold like I saw you in my dream, how is it possible that I saw in a dream what you look like today. Keep in mind that it hasn’t been proven yet that you look like how I saw you in my vivid dream today.
Never mind. I was wrong about you. You are not only in state of ቅዠት but delusional. I shared with you what people say about solving dreams. Now, that is what you call preposterous as you are.
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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by ZEMEN » 17 Nov 2025, 13:16

Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:59
That makes you the skunk that hastily “introjected” a bad omen against his own family member.
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:39
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:55
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 10:22
Naga Tuma wrote:
16 Nov 2025, 15:12
ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ሕልም ሳይ ኣዕምሮ የምያስበዉን ቅዠት ነዉ ብዬ ኣልፋለሁ። ኣንዳንዴ ስለ ሕልሙ ኣሰላስላለሁ።

የማልረሳዉ እዉነት የሆነብኝ ሕልም ኣይቼ ኣዉቃለሁ። ሕልሙ እኔ እንደፈታሁት ነዉ።

በቅርብ ያየሁኝ ሕልም ከኣዕምሮዬ ዉጪ የነበረን የኣንድ ሰዉ ምስል ነዉ።

ኢትዮጵያ እያለሁ ተዋዉቄዉ ለብዙ ዓመታት ያላየሁት ሰዉ በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ቁጭ ብሎ ኣየሁት።

ያኔ ሳዉቀዉ ምንም መላጣ ኣልነበረዉም። ለብዙ ዓመታት ኣይቼዉ ስለማላዉቅ ኣሁን መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ኣላዉቅም።

በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ሲቀመጥ አናቱ በብዛት መላጣ ሆኖ ኣየሁት።

መልስ ያጣሁለት ጥያቄ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ እንዴት ሆኖ ነዉ ድሮ የማዉቀዉን ሰዉ ዛሬ ምናልባትም በአካል የሚመስለዉን በሕልሜ ያየሁት?

ምናልባትም ያልኩኝ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ስለማላዉቅ ነዉ።

ዛሬ የሚመስለዉ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ ይህን ሕልም ኣየሁ ማለት እችላለሁ ወይስ ኣሳየኝ ማለት ይቻላል?

ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ የሚመስል ካልሆነ ይህ ቅዠት ነዉ ተብሎ ይታለፍ።
If it was ቅዠት you wouldn't be able to remember and recall your dreams. However, since you are remembering vividly, then something must happen to the person in your dreams. Losing hair normally equates for someone to lose family members.
That is very cheap. It reveals you.

You are “introjecting” that you would lose your family member if I saw you in my dream that you have become bold.

The question is if I knew you some twenty years ago when you weren’t bold, never saw you in person ever since, and I saw you in a vivid dream today that you have become bold, and if it is proven that you have become bold like I saw you in my dream, how is it possible that I saw in a dream what you look like today. Keep in mind that it hasn’t been proven yet that you look like how I saw you in my vivid dream today.
Never mind. I was wrong about you. You are not only in state of ቅዠት but delusional. I shared with you what people say about solving dreams. Now, that is what you call preposterous as you are.
There is no bad Omen, we all are going to die. get with it.

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Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Nov 2025, 13:25

Except you are so selfish that you don’t want to go first. That makes you a coward.

The other person may know about you that your haste has you got trapped miraculously.

This is now the bigger story.
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 13:16
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:59
That makes you the skunk that hastily “introjected” a bad omen against a family member of someone else that he doesn’t know about.
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:39
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:55
ZEMEN wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 10:22
Naga Tuma wrote:
16 Nov 2025, 15:12
ኣልፎ ኣልፎ ሕልም ሳይ ኣዕምሮ የምያስበዉን ቅዠት ነዉ ብዬ ኣልፋለሁ። ኣንዳንዴ ስለ ሕልሙ ኣሰላስላለሁ።

የማልረሳዉ እዉነት የሆነብኝ ሕልም ኣይቼ ኣዉቃለሁ። ሕልሙ እኔ እንደፈታሁት ነዉ።

በቅርብ ያየሁኝ ሕልም ከኣዕምሮዬ ዉጪ የነበረን የኣንድ ሰዉ ምስል ነዉ።

ኢትዮጵያ እያለሁ ተዋዉቄዉ ለብዙ ዓመታት ያላየሁት ሰዉ በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ቁጭ ብሎ ኣየሁት።

ያኔ ሳዉቀዉ ምንም መላጣ ኣልነበረዉም። ለብዙ ዓመታት ኣይቼዉ ስለማላዉቅ ኣሁን መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ኣላዉቅም።

በሕልሜ መጥቶ አጠገቤ ሲቀመጥ አናቱ በብዛት መላጣ ሆኖ ኣየሁት።

መልስ ያጣሁለት ጥያቄ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ እንዴት ሆኖ ነዉ ድሮ የማዉቀዉን ሰዉ ዛሬ ምናልባትም በአካል የሚመስለዉን በሕልሜ ያየሁት?

ምናልባትም ያልኩኝ ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ መላጣ ይኑረዉ ኣይኑረዉ ስለማላዉቅ ነዉ።

ዛሬ የሚመስለዉ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ ከሆነ ይህን ሕልም ኣየሁ ማለት እችላለሁ ወይስ ኣሳየኝ ማለት ይቻላል?

ያ ሰዉ ዛሬ በሕልም ያየሁት መላጣ ያለዉ የሚመስል ካልሆነ ይህ ቅዠት ነዉ ተብሎ ይታለፍ።
If it was ቅዠት you wouldn't be able to remember and recall your dreams. However, since you are remembering vividly, then something must happen to the person in your dreams. Losing hair normally equates for someone to lose family members.
That is very cheap. It reveals you.

You are “introjecting” that you would lose your family member if I saw you in my dream that you have become bold.

The question is if I knew you some twenty years ago when you weren’t bold, never saw you in person ever since, and I saw you in a vivid dream today that you have become bold, and if it is proven that you have become bold like I saw you in my dream, how is it possible that I saw in a dream what you look like today. Keep in mind that it hasn’t been proven yet that you look like how I saw you in my vivid dream today.
Never mind. I was wrong about you. You are not only in state of ቅዠት but delusional. I shared with you what people say about solving dreams. Now, that is what you call preposterous as you are.
There is no bad Omen, we all are going to die. get with it.

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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by Abere » 17 Nov 2025, 15:25

Nega,

Are you trying to validate whether dreams follow physical-science principles, for example, whether a universal physical entity, like the composition of water, stays the same everywhere? In a dream, I think the mind carries you elsewhere, almost like being transported by a chariot of spirit while your physical body remains at rest but mentally active.

Consider the computer system: it is a creation of the human mind, and through computer graphics we can project how an 8-year-old might look at age 80. In the same way, your brain can imagine someone’s appearance changing over time—even to the point of seeing the person with a bald head in your dream.


Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:21
Abere:

I haven’t been a practitioner at an organized place for some 33 years even though I have remained faithful within.

My simple question is scientific.

Suppose you were a friend from Ethiopia that I saw in person some twenty years ago and that you didn’t have any sign of boldness when I saw you last.

I have never seen you since then. I have no idea if you have become bold.

I saw you in my dream today that you have become bold. I have yet to see you in person to prove that you look like today who you looked like in my dream.

Put differently, I saw you as A a long time ago and saw you as B in my dream today. It is not proven yet if you have become B or remained A. The question is if you have become B, what explains the fact that I saw B in a dream without having ever seen B in the real world.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:53
ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:

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Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Nov 2025, 17:12

There would be no known physics to it because known physics doesn’t happen in the absence of matter.

So, we can easily rule that out.

I have little knowledge about spirituality.

I have little knowledge about miracles.

What I am unable to rule out is if a “miraculous” happenstance can never occur in the real world because there are no known cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

So, we can have a null hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances can occur in the real world even if there are no known cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

Versus,

An alternate hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances can never occur in the real world because there are no cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

Coming back to my vivid dream, having read the cheap response by the guy who calls himself ZEMEN, it has become even more perplexing because of an issue that involved two other individuals.

If the guy who calls himself ZEMEN happens to be one of the two individuals, I am certain that this instance could become a scientific case study about what dreams mean not in terms of any physics behind them but in terms of a brain’s power to process memories while one is asleep and reveal it as a vivid dream.

Then again, I fail to understand what initiated ZEMEN to jump in and reveal himself and become one of the variables in it in the event that he is one of the two individuals.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 15:25
Nega,

Are you trying to validate whether dreams follow physical-science principles, for example, whether a universal physical entity, like the composition of water, stays the same everywhere? In a dream, I think the mind carries you elsewhere, almost like being transported by a chariot of spirit while your physical body remains at rest but mentally active.

Consider the computer system: it is a creation of the human mind, and through computer graphics we can project how an 8-year-old might look at age 80. In the same way, your brain can imagine someone’s appearance changing over time—even to the point of seeing the person with a bald head in your dream.


Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:21
Abere:

I haven’t been a practitioner at an organized place for some 33 years even though I have remained faithful within.

My simple question is scientific.

Suppose you were a friend from Ethiopia that I saw in person some twenty years ago and that you didn’t have any sign of boldness when I saw you last.

I have never seen you since then. I have no idea if you have become bold.

I saw you in my dream today that you have become bold. I have yet to see you in person to prove that you look like today who you looked like in my dream.

Put differently, I saw you as A a long time ago and saw you as B in my dream today. It is not proven yet if you have become B or remained A. The question is if you have become B, what explains the fact that I saw B in a dream without having ever seen B in the real world.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:53
ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:
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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by Abere » 17 Nov 2025, 17:26

Nega,

I would suggest explaining why “sleep” resembles “death.” Both remove a person from conscious awareness - one passively and temporarily, the other irreversibly. When you awaken from sleep, you can speak about your dreams and continue your life; if a dead person were to resurrect, they too could speak of the power of spirituality and what lies beyond.

እንቅልፍ የሞት ታናሽ ወንድም ነው ሲባል አልሰማህም ወይ?

In truth, faith is not centered on miracles alone, but on deeds and on the existence of a supernatural being - Almighty God, the Alpha and the Omega. The God who has existed, exists now, and will exist forever.
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:12
There would be no known physics to it because known physics doesn’t happen in the absence of matter.

So, we can easily rule that out.

I have little knowledge about spirituality.

I have little knowledge about miracles.

What I am unable to rule out is if there is no “miraculous” happenstance that exists in the real world.

So, we can have a null hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances exist in the real world,

Versus,

An alternate hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances can never occur in the real world because there are no known cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

Coming back to my vivid dream, having read the cheap response by the guy who calls himself ZEMEN, it has become even more perplexing because of an issue that involved two other individuals.

If the guy who calls himself happens to be one of the two individuals, I am certain that this instance could become a scientific case study about what dreams mean not in terms any physics behind them but in terms of a brain’s power to process memories while one is asleep and reveal it as a vivid dream.

Then again, I fail to understand what initiated ZEMEN to jump in and reveal himself and become one of the variables in it.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 15:25
Nega,

Are you trying to validate whether dreams follow physical-science principles, for example, whether a universal physical entity, like the composition of water, stays the same everywhere? In a dream, I think the mind carries you elsewhere, almost like being transported by a chariot of spirit while your physical body remains at rest but mentally active.

Consider the computer system: it is a creation of the human mind, and through computer graphics we can project how an 8-year-old might look at age 80. In the same way, your brain can imagine someone’s appearance changing over time—even to the point of seeing the person with a bald head in your dream.


Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:21
Abere:

I haven’t been a practitioner at an organized place for some 33 years even though I have remained faithful within.

My simple question is scientific.

Suppose you were a friend from Ethiopia that I saw in person some twenty years ago and that you didn’t have any sign of boldness when I saw you last.

I have never seen you since then. I have no idea if you have become bold.

I saw you in my dream today that you have become bold. I have yet to see you in person to prove that you look like today who you looked like in my dream.

Put differently, I saw you as A a long time ago and saw you as B in my dream today. It is not proven yet if you have become B or remained A. The question is if you have become B, what explains the fact that I saw B in a dream without having ever seen B in the real world.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:53
ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:

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Re: ቀልድ እና ቁምነገር፥ ሕልም እና ቅዠት

Post by Abere » 17 Nov 2025, 17:39

Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:26
Nega,

I would suggest explaining why “sleep” resembles “death.” Both remove a person from conscious awareness - one passively and temporarily, the other irreversibly. When you awaken from sleep, you can speak about your dreams and continue your life; similarly, if a dead person were to rise from the grave and walk in public, they too could speak of the power of spirituality and what lies beyond.

Just a Note: Jesus Christ has conquered death itself, and that this victory is the promise given to all Christians.

እንቅልፍ የሞት ታናሽ ወንድም ነው ሲባል አልሰማህም ወይ?

In truth, faith is not centered on miracles alone, but on deeds and on the existence of a supernatural being - Almighty God, the Alpha and the Omega. The God who has existed, exists now, and will exist forever.
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:12
There would be no known physics to it because known physics doesn’t happen in the absence of matter.

So, we can easily rule that out.

I have little knowledge about spirituality.

I have little knowledge about miracles.

What I am unable to rule out is if there is no “miraculous” happenstance that exists in the real world.

So, we can have a null hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances exist in the real world,

Versus,

An alternate hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances can never occur in the real world because there are no known cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

Coming back to my vivid dream, having read the cheap response by the guy who calls himself ZEMEN, it has become even more perplexing because of an issue that involved two other individuals.

If the guy who calls himself happens to be one of the two individuals, I am certain that this instance could become a scientific case study about what dreams mean not in terms any physics behind them but in terms of a brain’s power to process memories while one is asleep and reveal it as a vivid dream.

Then again, I fail to understand what initiated ZEMEN to jump in and reveal himself and become one of the variables in it.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 15:25
Nega,

Are you trying to validate whether dreams follow physical-science principles, for example, whether a universal physical entity, like the composition of water, stays the same everywhere? In a dream, I think the mind carries you elsewhere, almost like being transported by a chariot of spirit while your physical body remains at rest but mentally active.

Consider the computer system: it is a creation of the human mind, and through computer graphics we can project how an 8-year-old might look at age 80. In the same way, your brain can imagine someone’s appearance changing over time—even to the point of seeing the person with a bald head in your dream.


Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:21
Abere:

I haven’t been a practitioner at an organized place for some 33 years even though I have remained faithful within.

My simple question is scientific.

Suppose you were a friend from Ethiopia that I saw in person some twenty years ago and that you didn’t have any sign of boldness when I saw you last.

I have never seen you since then. I have no idea if you have become bold.

I saw you in my dream today that you have become bold. I have yet to see you in person to prove that you look like today who you looked like in my dream.

Put differently, I saw you as A a long time ago and saw you as B in my dream today. It is not proven yet if you have become B or remained A. The question is if you have become B, what explains the fact that I saw B in a dream without having ever seen B in the real world.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:53
ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:

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Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Nov 2025, 18:18

My question remains scientific.

There is no science in your statement that “if a dead person were to resurrect, they too could speak of the power of spirituality and what lies beyond.”

You can’t speak about such a thing as scientific when you don’t have a firsthand experience about it.

If you know about a medium through which the Almighty’s ways work, and I am not suggesting it doesn’t exist, could humans have been subconscious to it only to wake up to it.

That is the eternal question.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:26
Nega,

I would suggest explaining why “sleep” resembles “death.” Both remove a person from conscious awareness - one passively and temporarily, the other irreversibly. When you awaken from sleep, you can speak about your dreams and continue your life; if a dead person were to resurrect, they too could speak of the power of spirituality and what lies beyond.

እንቅልፍ የሞት ታናሽ ወንድም ነው ሲባል አልሰማህም ወይ?

In truth, faith is not centered on miracles alone, but on deeds and on the existence of a supernatural being - Almighty God, the Alpha and the Omega. The God who has existed, exists now, and will exist forever.
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:12

There would be no known physics to it because known physics doesn’t happen in the absence of matter.

So, we can easily rule that out.

I have little knowledge about spirituality.

I have little knowledge about miracles.

What I am unable to rule out is if a “miraculous” happenstance can never occur in the real world because there are no known cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

So, we can have a null hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances can occur in the real world even if there are no known cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

Versus,

An alternate hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances can never occur in the real world because there are no cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

Coming back to my vivid dream, having read the cheap response by the guy who calls himself ZEMEN, it has become even more perplexing because of an issue that involved two other individuals.

If the guy who calls himself ZEMEN happens to be one of the two individuals, I am certain that this instance could become a scientific case study about what dreams mean not in terms of any physics behind them but in terms of a brain’s power to process memories while one is asleep and reveal it as a vivid dream.

Then again, I fail to understand what initiated ZEMEN to jump in and reveal himself and become one of the variables in it in the event that he is one of the two individuals.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 15:25
Nega,

Are you trying to validate whether dreams follow physical-science principles, for example, whether a universal physical entity, like the composition of water, stays the same everywhere? In a dream, I think the mind carries you elsewhere, almost like being transported by a chariot of spirit while your physical body remains at rest but mentally active.

Consider the computer system: it is a creation of the human mind, and through computer graphics we can project how an 8-year-old might look at age 80. In the same way, your brain can imagine someone’s appearance changing over time—even to the point of seeing the person with a bald head in your dream.


Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:21
Abere:

I haven’t been a practitioner at an organized place for some 33 years even though I have remained faithful within.

My simple question is scientific.

Suppose you were a friend from Ethiopia that I saw in person some twenty years ago and that you didn’t have any sign of boldness when I saw you last.

I have never seen you since then. I have no idea if you have become bold.

I saw you in my dream today that you have become bold. I have yet to see you in person to prove that you look like today who you looked like in my dream.

Put differently, I saw you as A a long time ago and saw you as B in my dream today. It is not proven yet if you have become B or remained A. The question is if you have become B, what explains the fact that I saw B in a dream without having ever seen B in the real world.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:53
ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:

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Post by Naga Tuma » 17 Nov 2025, 18:25

You have remained the uninitiated.

Has it ever occurred to you that an uninitiated preaching to an initiated is paradoxical and self defeating?
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:39
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:26
Nega,

I would suggest explaining why “sleep” resembles “death.” Both remove a person from conscious awareness - one passively and temporarily, the other irreversibly. When you awaken from sleep, you can speak about your dreams and continue your life; similarly, if a dead person were to rise from the grave and walk in public, they too could speak of the power of spirituality and what lies beyond.

Just a Note: Jesus Christ has conquered death itself, and that this victory is the promise given to all Christians.

እንቅልፍ የሞት ታናሽ ወንድም ነው ሲባል አልሰማህም ወይ?

In truth, faith is not centered on miracles alone, but on deeds and on the existence of a supernatural being - Almighty God, the Alpha and the Omega. The God who has existed, exists now, and will exist forever.
Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 17:12
There would be no known physics to it because known physics doesn’t happen in the absence of matter.

So, we can easily rule that out.

I have little knowledge about spirituality.

I have little knowledge about miracles.

What I am unable to rule out is if there is no “miraculous” happenstance that exists in the real world.

So, we can have a null hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances exist in the real world,

Versus,

An alternate hypothesis that “miraculous” happenstances can never occur in the real world because there are no known cause and effect that lead to their realizations.

Coming back to my vivid dream, having read the cheap response by the guy who calls himself ZEMEN, it has become even more perplexing because of an issue that involved two other individuals.

If the guy who calls himself happens to be one of the two individuals, I am certain that this instance could become a scientific case study about what dreams mean not in terms any physics behind them but in terms of a brain’s power to process memories while one is asleep and reveal it as a vivid dream.

Then again, I fail to understand what initiated ZEMEN to jump in and reveal himself and become one of the variables in it.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 15:25
Nega,

Are you trying to validate whether dreams follow physical-science principles, for example, whether a universal physical entity, like the composition of water, stays the same everywhere? In a dream, I think the mind carries you elsewhere, almost like being transported by a chariot of spirit while your physical body remains at rest but mentally active.

Consider the computer system: it is a creation of the human mind, and through computer graphics we can project how an 8-year-old might look at age 80. In the same way, your brain can imagine someone’s appearance changing over time—even to the point of seeing the person with a bald head in your dream.


Naga Tuma wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 12:21
Abere:

I haven’t been a practitioner at an organized place for some 33 years even though I have remained faithful within.

My simple question is scientific.

Suppose you were a friend from Ethiopia that I saw in person some twenty years ago and that you didn’t have any sign of boldness when I saw you last.

I have never seen you since then. I have no idea if you have become bold.

I saw you in my dream today that you have become bold. I have yet to see you in person to prove that you look like today who you looked like in my dream.

Put differently, I saw you as A a long time ago and saw you as B in my dream today. It is not proven yet if you have become B or remained A. The question is if you have become B, what explains the fact that I saw B in a dream without having ever seen B in the real world.
Abere wrote:
17 Nov 2025, 11:53
ነጋ፤

በመጀመሪያ ይህን ህልም ያሳዬህ የተቀደሰ መንፈስ ነው ብለን እንመኝ። ያ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ አላማ አለው ማለት ነው። እንደዛ ብለን ካልጀመርነው ወይም ከዚያ የተለዬ ከሆነ "ህልም እና ጋላሞታ የትም ነው አዳሩ" እንደሚባለ ብሂል ይሆናል። በመቀጠል አንተ ይህን ህልም ሲያሳይህ እንደ ነቃህ በልቦናህ ምን ተሰማህ? የደስታ ስሜት ወይስ የተለየ ስሜት? ወይስ ያልወደድከው ስሜት ተሰምቶህ "ህልም ዕልም" በማለት በስመ አብ ወወልድ ብለህ አማተብክ? ክርስቲያን ከሆንክ ወይም የሌላ አምልኮ ተከታይ ከሆንክ እንድሁ እንደ አምልኮህ?

በተጨማሪ አሁን አንተ እራሰ መላጣ ነው ወይስ ሙሉ አፍሮ? ምክንያቱም አሁን አንተ መላጣ ወይም የአሁን እኮዮችህ መላጣ ከሆኑ አሁን ካለው ተጨባጭ ሁኔታ ጋር ሊገባህ በሚችለው መልኩ ቀለል ባለ መንገድ አሳይቶሃል ማለት ይሆናል።

የዚህ ፎረም ታዳሚ ሁሬሳ () ነብይ ነኝ ስለሚል ምናልባት ይህን ህልም ይፈታው ይሆናል። ግን ጥርጣሬየ ሁሬሳ እንደ ፈርዖን ህልም ፈችዎች የቆጥ የባጡን ስለሚዘላብድ የማይመችህ ወይም አሳሳች መረጃ እንዳይሆን እፈራለሁ - እንደ እስራዔላዊ በባርነት የሽጦ የቤተ-መንግስት ሰው እንደሆነው የያዕቆብ ልጅ ዮሴፍ ያለ ደገኛ ሰው ህልምህን ይፈታልህ ዘንድ መልካም ምኞቴ ነው። እግዚአብሄር በአለም የተበታተነውን የተለያየው ቤተ-ኢትዮጵያዊያን አንድ ቤተሰብ ያድርግ። መንገድ ይለያያል መንገድ ያገናኛል። የበተነውን ቤተ-አትዮጵያን በቋንቋ እንደ ባቢሎን ያፈራረሰውን አውሬ ኦነግ፤ ወያኔ፤ሻዕብያ ሲታሰሩ ኢትዮጵያ ትፈታለች።


በመጨረሻ ምናልባት የኦሮሙማ ትራስ ተንተርሰህ ዘቅዝቆህ ከሆነ አንተ የቦረና ሰው ስለሆንክ እርሱን ወዲያ ጥለህ ተኛ። :mrgreen:

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