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Does Israel control America, or does America control Israel?

Post by Zmeselo » 30 May 2025, 19:19


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Does Israel control America, or does America control Israel?

29 May 2025,

By Eric Zuesse

https://ericzuesse.substack.com/p/does- ... ca-or-does

On 23 May 2020, I headlined “Israel — an enemy of Americahttps://archive.ph/YWspW and documented that though U.S. taxpayers donate to Israel each year $3.8 billion, of which 3.3 billion goes to pay American weapons-producers such as Lockheed Martin to supply Israel with weaponry, Israel’s record has been as an enemy of the U.S. (or at least of the American people), NOT as a friend, and also not merely neutral. That article got me to thinking about whether the U.S. Government controls Israel’s Government, or instead vice-versa; and, now, I shall present my conclusion about this (that America’s Government is controlled by Israel’s Government) by first presenting what I think are the most relevant evidences in order to decide the matter.

The evilness of the people who lead Israel has been blatant ever since Israel’s founding in 1948, but Israel has been heavily backed by the U.S. Government throughout the entire period. Albert Einstein was a prominent American when he was one of the signatories to a letter to the editor of the New York Times, http://archive.is/nPbaX on 4 December 1948, in which he and many other prominent American Jews condemned as “fascists” (but hadn’t Americans fought AGAINST fascists in WW II?) Menachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir and their gangs who slaughtered whole Arab villages in order to seize their land for Zionist Jews to take as ‘Israel’, and the letter’s signatories strongly condemned that movement — the movement which created this apartheid racist ‘Israel’ — as being
akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties,
against which America had waged World War II.

But today’s American Government represents those “Nazi and Fascist parties,” against their victims (the Palestinians), even though during WW II, Americans had even died fighting against such evil people as the founders of Israel’s Government were. (Israel was created not merely by racist-fascist Jews such as Ben Gurion etc., but most especially by the Christian Harry Truman, https://archive.is/udoc2 who was America’s all-time-worst President; https://archive.is/naKEg he started the Cold War, https://archive.ph/jJo9a and started America on the imperialistic path https://archive.ph/syA3F that now is called “neoconservatism,” which produced also the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq and other such imperialistic global-conquest ventures that have destroyed many nations. Almost as soon as FDR died, Truman turned the Government to be and become what has since been consistently neoconservative — even decades before that term, “neoconservatism,” for America’s version of the racist-fascist-imperialist, or “nazi,” ideology yet existed. Truman was the first neocon.)

Had Americans been wrong in WW II to have fought against Nazis and Fascists, or are today’s Americans aware that the current U.S. Government is protecting Israel’s ideological nazis and fascists against any rights for Palestinians — against rights for the descendants of the survivors of Jewish racist fascist imperialism, or “nazism”? Does Israel represent American values, really — or does it represent instead the values of America’s enemies, https://archive.ph/LRlmt such as the current U.S. Government itself is (as will be subsequently exemplified here)? Not only does Israel represent the ideology against which the U.S. under FDR went to war in WW2, but Israel has even been at war AGAINST the U.S.

On 8 June 1967, Israel intentionally attacked and sank the USS Liberty, slaughtering 34 of our sailors, and injuring another 172. The official U.S. government inquiry by an independent study Commission headed by Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, found that, https://archive.is/o/9Syyi/web.archive. ... 1886-3.pdf
after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against the USS Liberty, the world’s most sophisticated intelligence ship.
Unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on the Liberty’s bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship.
Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty’s life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded.
There is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.
Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States.
The White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the Liberty.
Surviving crew members were later threatened with ‘court-martial, imprisonment or worse’ if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government.
The White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.
This attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crew member has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack.
There has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history.
The USS Liberty Veterans Association delivered to the Executive Agent for the U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, on 8 June 2005, their own 35-page study report backing this up and urging retaliation. https://archive.is/o/9Syyi/web.archive. ... crimes.pdf

It quoted from Richard Helms, the Director of Central Intelligence at the time of the USS Liberty attack. He supported, as Helms put it,
the board’s finding that there could be no doubt that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty. I have yet to understand why it was felt necessary to attack this ship or who ordered the attack.
The Veterans Association concluded that,
the fact that the Israeli government and its surrogates in the United States have worked so long and hard to prevent an inquiry itself speaks volumes as to what such an inquiry would find. The USS Liberty Veterans Association, Inc. respectfully insists that the Secretary of the Army convene an investigatory body to undertake the complete investigation that should have been carried out thirty-eight years ago.
Their study and urging were simply ignored (not only by ‘our’ Government but by its ‘news’-media including all of the ’top’ ones https://archive.ph/xuU0o).

The Palestinians’ cause is also the cause of the American people. The current American Government, bipartisanly in both of its political Parties, does not represent the American people — it is hostile against us, and does only what it must in order to fool us into thinking to the contrary of the ugly reality: that America is a dictatorship by only its billionaires https://archive.ph/LRlmt (of both political Parties and all religions).

When Einstein and those other prominent American Jews in 1948 wrote condemning the individuals who had created Israel, here was the immediate historical context:

The 452-page study, published in 1974, The Population of Israel, https://web.archive.org/web/20171012111 ... /c-c26.pdf which was produced for the Demographic Center of the Prime Minister's Office in Israel and by the Institute of Contemporary Jewry of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, mentions only in passing, on its page 401, that there were an
estimated 1,200,000 settled Arabs in Palestine at the end of 1947
and acknowledges there also that the total number of Arabs then
within the territory of Israel
was 777,700.

The next page then mentions — also only in passing — that
The estimate of Non-Jews found in Israel in 1949 (including some returnees, during 1949) is about 160,000.
(That number included not only Arabs but all “non-Jews,” such as non-Arab Christians.) So: even Israel (though they never explicitly assert this, since it’s so damning) has acknowledged that over (777,700-160,000=) 617,770 of the 777,700 Arabs who were “within the territory of Israel” in 1947, or over 80% of them all, were gone in 1949. Though they never assert this elimination of 80%+ of that land’s Arabs, they give those numbers, from which any reader who can add and subtract will inevitably conclude that at least 80% of the Arabs disappeared from “Israel” during 1948, which happens to have been the year of Israel’s creation. 80+%. Only less than one-fifth of them were still in Israel. European Christians — not only Germans, and not only in Germany but in many countries — perpetrated the Holocaust against Jews, and those 80+% of “Israel”s Arabs got treated by these surviving Jews remarkably like European Christians had treated so many of these Jews. These Jews absorbed into themselves what had been the worst majority-Christian culture (especially its prevalent anti-Jewish bigotry, though now having a different target) and then practiced it against the local Muslims in this part of Arabia. Whether or not they were practicing what they preached, they practiced what they had learned. And without the continuing and ongoing yearly support of the American people, this could not have happened and still be happening. It would not happen.

On 29 April 2020, the great independent American investigative journalist Gareth Porter headlined
With apparently fabricated nuclear documents, Netanyahu pushed the US towards war with Iran,


https://archive.ph/lmQzF and he reported that there is
little room for doubt that the documents introduced to Western intelligence [in] 2004 were, in fact, created by the Mossad.
Those are the documents upon the basis of which American sanctions were placed against Iran for its having a nuclear-weapons program (which Israel itself actually does have), which Iran did not have and was not even seeking — the documents were instead Israeli forgeries.
Netanyahu’s multiple levels of deception have been remarkably successful, despite having relied on crude stunts that any diligent news organization should have seen through. Through his manipulation of foreign governments and media, he has been able to maneuver Donald Trump and the United States into a dangerous process of confrontation that has brought the US to the precipice of military conflict with Iran
— instead of against Israel (which was warranted).

Netanyahu has even lied to claim that Hitler didn’t initiate the idea of exterminating all of the world’s Jews, the leader of the Palestinians initiated that idea. http://archive.is/943w5

Just as Hitler lied to ‘justify’ spreading his hatred, Netanyahu likewise does, and Pompeo also does, and Blinken does, and all U.S. international-affairs officials do — of all Presidencies ever since Truman. Maybe the biggest difference between Israel and America is that only the U.S. regime claims to be
upholding the rule of law
and
protecting human rights
while it flagrantly violates both.

The brazenness of the U.S. regime’s hypocrisy is unprecedented and historically unique, but otherwise it’s a rather normal fascist — if not outright nazi (like Israel’s) — government.

American taxpayers spend $3.8 billion per year http://archive.is/9Syyi as a donation to Israel, of which $3.3 billion goes to Israel’s military. Every American (including all recent Presidents) who has participated in imposing that burden upon us is a traitor against America, and so too is every American who has hidden or tried to hide from the American public the reality, instead of to expose it and to prosecute it. This Government, by such liars, rapes the minds of the American people so as to have this ‘democracy’ of fooled voters.

In 2024, that $3.8 billion donated to Israel’s nazi Government was escalated to $18 billion in order to provide Israel the weapons, ammunition, and satellite intelligence to exterminate the Gazans (under the propaganda-cover of ‘defeating Hamas’) and also to escalate the thefts of land and property of the West Bank Palestinians.

These evils are politically bipartisan in the U.S.: the billionaires who control BOTH of America’s political Parties https://archive.ph/kXVhm want this; so, it is the policy of the U.S. regime and of its ‘news’-media.

I used to think that America’s Government controls Israel’s Government, but now I believe that it’s instead vice-versa, because all of the evidences seem to point to America’s Government being controlled by Israel’s Government. Whenever the U.S. Government urges Israel’s to tone down its nazism (for the sake of international appearances), the response of Israel’s Government has been to ignore the U.S. regime’s request to soften what it is doing; the U.S. Government’s request that Israel’s Government make Israel’s barbarism less obvious in order not to excessively blacken America’s international reputation, is denied, turned down. The U.S. regime will thus go down in shame because it — for whatever reason — refuses to declare Israel to be itself an enemy of the U.S., as Israel has always been. The record is clear that Israel embodies Jewish nazism, which it calls “Zionism.” Of course, anyone can be a Zionist, just like, in Hitler’s time, anyone (except a Jew) could be a Nazi. And in America, there are many Christian Zionists, not ONLY Jewish ones. And, somehow, Zionists — in both Israel and the U.S. — have a virtual lock-hold over ‘our’ Government. And almost all the rest of our population are simply passive about it.

That’s the reality. Is it acceptable? If not, will we accept it, or will we instead replace the regime that controls us? (In any case, that regime is our billionaires. https://archive.ph/LRlmt) If so, how?

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse’s latest book, AMERICA’S EMPIRE OF EVIL: Hitler’s Posthumous Victory, and Why the Social Sciences Need to Change, https://www.amazon.com/dp/1880026082 is about how America took over the world after World War II in order to enslave it to U.S.-and-allied billionaires. Their cartels extract the world’s wealth by control of not only their ‘news’ media but the social ‘sciences’ — duping the public.

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Re: Does Israel control America, or does America control Israel?

Post by Zmeselo » 30 May 2025, 19:55



Israel's war on Gaza
Israeli foreign minister says arms embargoes will lead to 'second Holocaust' and end of Israel

Gideon Saar tells conference that international calls to stop weapons sales would lead to 'the destruction of Israel'


Israel’s Foreign Minister Gideon Saar in Jerusalem on 26 May 2025 (AFP/Alex Brandon)

By MEE staff

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/isra ... -holocaust

29 May 2025

Israel’s foreign minister https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/israel has said that an arms embargo on his country would lead to the elimination of the Israeli state and “a second Holocaust”.

Gideon Saar was speaking https://www.gov.il/en/pages/internation ... at-the-mfa on Tuesday at an international conference on antisemitism in Jerusalem.
If, God forbid, the calls and actions of countries and politicians for an arms embargo on Israel succeed, the result will be the destruction of Israel and a second Holocaust,
he said.

The comments came as Spain this week called on European countries to suspend arms shipments amid Israel’s ongoing siege on Gaza.

At a meeting of the “Madrid Group”, Spain’s foreign minister called for an immediate suspension of Europe’s cooperation deal with Israel and an embargo on arms shipments.

Germany, France, https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/france the UK, https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/uk Italy, Egypt, https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/egypt Jordan, https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/jordan Saudi Arabia, https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/saudi-arabia Turkey, https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/turkey Morocco https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/morocco and Brazil were among those present at the meeting.
What is the meaning of actions or statements - by politicians or countries - to impose an arms embargo on Israel?
said Saar, in response.
If such moves succeed, Israel will simply be destroyed. There will be another Holocaust - on the soil of the land of Israel.
This is essentially a way to deprive the Jewish people of the means to defend themselves. Means that they so lacked during the long years of exile and during the Holocaust.
The largest suppliers of weapons to Israel are the United States, Germany and Italy.

Several nations, including France, Spain and the UK, have either paused the supply of some weapons, or have suspended export licences.

A report https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-c ... ban-report earlier this month found that the UK continued to send a wide range of arms to Israel even after the government suspended 30 arms export licences in September.

The UK, France and Canada have threatened Israel with sanctions if it fails to stop its military operations in Gaza and immediately allow humanitarian aid to enter.
We will not stand by while the Netanyahu government pursues these egregious actions,
the countries said jointly on 20 May.
If Israel does not cease the renewed military offensive and lift its restrictions on humanitarian aid, we will take further concrete actions in response.
The three countries also urged Israel to halt settlements in the occupied West Bank, saying they are
illegal and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state https://www.middleeasteye.net/countries/palestine and the security of both Israelis and Palestinians.


In response, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/neta ... r-gaza-war the three governments of emboldening Hamas and being
on the wrong side of justice.


Israeli attacks on Gaza have killed more than 54,000 Palestinians and wounded more than 120,000 since October 2023.

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Re: Does Israel control America, or does America control Israel?

Post by Zmeselo » 30 May 2025, 22:23



The Friday Read
Does Trump Actually Think He’s God?

The president’s messianic rhetoric has soared since the assassination attempt.


Illustration by Marco Ventura for POLITICO

By Michael Kruse

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... t-00362322

05/30/2025
I’m supposed to be dead,
Donald Trump said, the day after he got shot at his rally last summer in Butler, Pennsylvania.
I’m not supposed to be here,
he said four days after that. https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/tra ... 8-2024/#18
But something very special happened. Let’s face it. Something happened,
he said two days after that. https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/tra ... 0-2024/#11
It’s … an act of God,
he said the month after that. https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/tra ... -2024/#171
God spared my life for a reason,
he said in his victory speech at Mar-a-Lago in November. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/0 ... p-00187777
I was saved by God to make America great again,
he said in his inaugural address at the Capitol in January. https://www.whitehouse.gov/remarks/2025 ... l-address/
It changed something in me,
he said in his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast at the Washington Hilton in February.

I feel even stronger.
This is new. It’s not how he talked for most of his long and voluble life. He has always, it should be said, seen himself as special, and he has always, of course, been notably self-aggrandizing. But the longtime self-described “fatalisthttps://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... sm-218663/ invariably maintained a sort of shoulder-shrugging acceptance that whatever was going to happen was beyond his or anyone else’s control. Over the last 10 or so months since Butler, however, and especially since his reelection and the start of his second administration, Trump’s outlook has shifted in essence from stuff happens and nothing much matters to something happened and it couldn’t matter more. His rhetoric has gone from borderline nihilistic to messianic.


Secret Service tends to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who was shot at a rally on July 13, 2024, in Butler, Pennsylvania. | Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

For a while now, a roster of religious believers and leaders, grateful for the political victories Trump has bestowed in exchange for their votes, have suggested and sometimes outright said that Trump is “chosen,”
or “anointed,” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/opin ... inted.html or a “savior,” https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20g1zvgj4do or “the second cominghttps://apnews.com/article/f49879eeba44 ... d5c9cfac8f or “the Christ for this age.”

Now, though, Trump does it, too. And that matters. It matters, some say, because it highlights how his well-documented narcissism and grandiosity has metastasized into notions of omnipotence, invincibility and infallibility. And it matters maybe most immediately because it offers a window into how he is approaching his second term — even more emboldened, even more unilaterally oriented, even more apparently uncheckable and untouchable than the first.
I run the country and the world,
he said last month. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ck/682573/
I’d like to be pope,
he said https://www.politico.eu/article/donald- ... ic-church/ — kind of joking, but … kind of not? — before he and the White House posted on social media

an AI image of himself adorned in archetypal papal attire.

It’s worth asking. Does Trump … think he’s God? OK, he almost certainly doesn’t think he’s God — but does he think he’s … God-like? Divinely sanctioned or inspired or empowered? Does he think he’s somehow imbued with some special, sacred purpose for some special, sacred reason? Or did he just see and seize an opportunity to stamp his world-upending agenda with the ultimate justification — a mandate from God?


Top: A statue depicting the attempted assassination of Trump sits alongside the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office of the White House on May 9, 2025. Bottom: A painting of the assassination attempt hangs in the Entrance Hall of the White House on April 15, 2025, replacing a portrait of former U.S. President Barack Obama. | SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images; Win McNamee/Getty Images
I have no reason to doubt that he would … prefer to believe he was saved by a supreme being because he himself is special rather than the would-be assassin was a lousy shot or he got lucky,
Alan Marcus, a former Trump consultant and publicist, told me.
He prefers drama which fits into his make-believe narrative, a narrative which always has him being the best, the biggest, the strongest, the toughest, the brightest, et cetera — none of which are even close to the truth, but he knows he can convince people,
Marcus said.
His world is fantasy, scripted like a movie — not biblical unless, of course, that helps bring a particular scene or chapter to life.
Perhaps opportunism and genuine belief in his own chosenness aren’t mutually exclusive,
Marie Griffith, https://rap.wustl.edu/people/r-marie-griffith/ the director of the John C. Danforth Center on Religion and Politics at Washington University in St. Louis, told me.
But whether he truly believes it or not, it is plainly in his interest to keep talking as if everything he does is sanctioned by God,
she said.
And I think just looking at the rhetoric, you have to wonder if Butler really shook him up and he thought, ‘Maybe they are right. Maybe I really am the ‘chosen one.’
I think he does believe he was saved to do great things as president,
Stephen Mansfield, the author of the 2018 book Choosing Donald Trump: God, Anger, Hope, and Why Christian Conservatives Supported Him, told me.
I think he does believe that he is a tool of God.
There just has to be something that’s far greater than us


Some say Trump believes nothing. That’s not true. He believes, for instance, in tariffs, and always has. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/07/politics ... ump-carney

He believes in the importance of genes and always has. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/us/p ... genes.html

He believes in the power of positive thinking, https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ng-215704/ and he believes in the power of negative publicity. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... pr-214083/

And Trump, at best an intermittently observant Christian who reportedly has mocked https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... rs/616522/ those more devout, nonetheless believes, and has for a long, long time, in … something like predestination. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... sm-218663/
I’m a great fatalist,
he told a reporter from New York’s Newsday in 1991.
What scares you the most?
Nothing,
he said.
Whatever happens, happens — and you just have to go along with it.
Unbelievable,
he told Larry King on CNN in 1997.

The famed fashion designer Gianni Versace had just been murdered outside his Miami Beach mansion by a celebrity-obsessed stalker named Andrew Cúnanan.
John Kennedy once said if someone wants to get you, and that’s all they think about, you’re in trouble,
King said.
True,
Trump said.


Trump, at best, is an intermittently observant Christian who reportedly has mocked those more devout. | Alex Brandon/AP
So,
King said,
Trump the fatalist has to be aware and give thought to the [ deleted ].
You have to be aware,
Trump said.
Otherwise, you’re a fool — but, again, I don’t think you can change your entire life. You’re not going to go into a very safe little space and just lock the door and never come out. I just don’t think you can do that. And I am a fatalist. I say, ‘Hey, what happens, happens.’ And maybe it’s predestined. Who knows?
Trump has had stray moments in which he seemed to be searching for something else — something more meaningful?
There has to be a reason we are here,
he told Tim O’Brien for O’Brien’s Trump biography that came out in 2005.
There has to be a reason that we’re going through this. There has to be a reason for everything,
he said.
I do believe in God. I think there just has to be something that’s far greater than us.
For the most part, though, Trump’s expressed the opposite — that basically the world is full of random this or that with no higher discernible purpose.
People ask me, ‘How do you handle pressure?
he wrote in 2007 in his book Think Big and Kick Áss.
The truth is, it does not matter. What the hell difference does it make? You see what is going on in Iraq; you have seen a tsunami wipe out hundreds of thousands of people. Think about how 3,000 people died in the World Trade Center on September 11 …
In 2015, Trump understood that such suffering or happenstance was not a message on which he could run to be president — and that if he wanted to win, he would need the support of people for whom faith in a higher power is a determinant factor. The thrice-married philanderer and philistine said he was “not sure” he’d ever asked God for forgiveness, https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics ... orgiveness and said “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians,” https://www.npr.org/2016/01/18/46352884 ... angelicals and couldn’t or wouldn’t name a favorite verse
in the Bible (until he did https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop ... rse-221954 somewhat). But he knew evangelicals were a crucial bloc of voters and
realized it was going to be a bit of a stretch to argue that he himself is a religious man,
said Robert Jones of the Public Religion Research Institute, https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20g1zvgj4do and so
instead he adopted a quid pro quo approach
— dangling promises, policies https://www.npr.org/2016/06/21/48301897 ... angelicals and Supreme Court justices https://arcmag.org/brett-kavanaugh-chri ... -the-deal/ in line with their desires.


When running for his first presidency, Trump understood that suffering or happenstance was not a message on which he could run on — and that if he wanted to win, he would need the support of people for whom faith in a higher power is a determinant factor. | AP Photo/Evan Vucci

He ran a campaign, too, that was what noted rhetoric expert Jen Mercieca calls
a Biblical hero narrative
— a convoluted “hero quest,” as she put it to me,
of defeating the corrupt (politicians, media, the politically correct) all around him and claimed that he had been purified to end corruption by the act of running for office.
And a critical mass of evangelicals responded by casting Trump as a messiah, a “modern-day Cyrus,” https://www.timesofisrael.com/who-is-ki ... -to-trump/ an imperfect figure tapped to do God’s perfect work.
Does he think, do you think, that his election that year was the result of God?
pastor and Trump religious adviser Paula White-Cain was asked https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/inte ... ula-white/ of his win in 2016.
I say that all the time, and I say that to him,
she answered. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/inte ... ula-white/
He’s not going to over-exaggerate himself that God is sitting there going, ‘I chose you.’ But others are going to say to him, ‘You’ve been chosen by God.’
He was sworn in using the Bible https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/us/p ... -oath.html he got from his mother as a kid at First Presbyterian Church in Queens in New York as well as the Bible Abraham Lincoln used in 1861. In his first National Prayer Breakfast appearance he took a swipe at former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger about his lowly TV ratings https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/ ... ger-234535 as Trump’s replacement as the host of “Celebrity Apprentice.” In his first term he had prominent pastors come to him in the Oval Office
and pray with him and for him and lay their hands on him. He used a Bible as a photo-op prop https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/0 ... age-295946 amid the Black Lives Matter protests in the wake of the murder of George Floyd. He switched from Presbyterian to “non-denominational” Christian. https://pcusa.org/news-storytelling/new ... -christian

Conservative radio host and conspiracy theorist Wayne Allyn Root said https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html on Twitter
the Jewish people in Israel love him like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God
— and Trump retweeted Root’s tweet and thanked him https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documen ... st-21-2019 for “the very nice words.”

On the lawn outside the White House, in the context of a conversation about a pending trade war with China, Trump held out his hands and looked up at the sky.
I am the chosen one,
he said.


From his tone, though, it was clear at least to most that he was mostly joking.

But then that bullet in Butler just missed.

And then he won again.

Totally compatible with a messiah complex


So now, four months into his term, Trump is on a spree of a show of supremacy. He’s pledged a “Golden Age.” https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/202 ... a-is-here/

He’s punished Trump and MAGA unbelievers. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... -list.html

He’s exacted or attempted to exact subservience and acquiescence from media execs https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-rej ... ds-apology and tech titans https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... -president and major law firms https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/trumps- ... u9aQ%3D%3D and top universities https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-u ... llege.html and both chambers of Congress that he and his party control. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... rcna190465

He’s tried to command the global economy and crack intractable issues of war and peace as if he were wielding a scepter over subjects far and wide. He’s declared https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/ ... -security/ a slew of national emergencies on everything from the border to mineral production, and he’s dropped scores of executive orders, https://www.federalregister.gov/preside ... trump/2025 whitewashing history, targeting “Biased Media” and “Criminal Aliens,” establishing a Religious Liberty Commission and a White House Faith Office and eradicating “Anti-Christian Bias” — decrees delivered like apocalyptic pronouncements of an (albeit uncouth, foul-mouthed) Old Testament prophet.

World leaders
all want to kiss my [deleted],
he told aides. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ck/682573/
I’m actually surprised myself
about the rolling-over of the law firms, he told ABC News. https://abcnews.go.com/US/full-transcri ... =121291672
John Adams said we’re a government ruled by laws, not by men. Do you agree with that?
he was asked in an interview for TIME. https://time.com/7280114/donald-trump-2 ... ranscript/
John Adams said that?
said Trump. https://time.com/7280114/donald-trump-2 ... ranscript/
I wouldn’t agree with it 100 percent.
He was asked https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... rcna204580 by Kristen Welker of NBC News if he as president needed to “uphold” the Constitution.
I don’t know,
Trump said. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... rcna204580


Trump, joined by lawmakers and religious leaders, prepares to sign an executive order establishing the Commission on Religious Liberty during a National Day of Prayer event at the White House on May 1, 2025, in Washington, D.C. | Andrew Harnik/Getty Images
I think one of the biggest differences between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0 is that in Trump 1.0, his own staff, the people who surrounded him, were perfectly comfortable thinking: President Donald Trump is very wrong about this. His judgment is bad. His impulses need to be foiled. We are the resistance inside the Trump administration,
the journalist Ezra Klein recently posited on his New York Times podcast https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/25/opin ... uthat.html with Times columnist Ross Douthat.
In Trump 2.0, I don’t think people around him are comfortable thinking that. There is both a sense that they’re there to serve him but also a sense there is something in Trump — to them, not to me — that exists beyond argumentation,
Klein said.
Yes,
Douthat said, talking of
the kind of mystic drama of his return to power.
I think,
Robert Jeffress, the Trump-supporting pastor from Dallas, said last month, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/30/us/p ... -term.html
he came to the conclusion — the right conclusion — that God has a purpose for him.
Christian believers believe, of course, that God has a purpose for them, and for all of them — that they’re all potential tools of his will, and beneficiaries of his grace. Most of them don’t, though, think of themselves as the literal second coming of Christ. And the extent to which Trump might think that of himself, and that his supporters might agree, speaks to the unprecedented expansion of power he has asserted and that many in the country seem content to grant.
No previous president in American history has claimed that he was saved by God to enact his political agenda,
Mercieca, the rhetoric expert, recently wrote. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2025/ ... president/

Asking God to watch over the nation? Yes. Claiming to have been saved specifically by God to enable the enactment of political priorities? No.
Invoking the power of the unified people and God gives Trump an awesome and unquestionable power — whoever defies Trump is at risk of defying the people and God. It’s impossible to argue against Trump when he claims the power of God …

Trump speaks at a campaign event at 180 Church, Saturday, June 15, 2024, in Detroit. | Carlos Osorio/AP

If nothing else, in the assessment of his biographers, it means Trump as always is an opportunist.
This is the logical next step from a half-century of continually pushing out the limits of what he can and will go after,
Gwenda Blair, https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/ ... 0743210799 who wrote about Trump’s family, told me.
Starting back in that famous public debut in 1973 when he counter-sued DOJ for defamation, he has consistently reached way past what anyone expected or had a ready response for — a strategy that has let him keep moving the goalposts ever forward.
It’s another example of Donald Trump playing to an audience to convince them he’s with them — and not at all to give you a window into his soul, because that blind is permanently drawn down,
O’Brien https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/ARLcT ... y-l-obrien told me.
The Apprentice’ gave the impression to a whole generation of people who didn’t know his story that he was a great dealmaker and an entrepreneurial guru as opposed to a serial bankruptcy artist and stumblefück. And he went to the presidency in part on that. And he got reelected in part on [being seen as] ‘the chosen one who survived the assassination attempt at Butler.’
Other scholars and observers say he’s an opportunist who also is a narcissist who also recognizes considerable political utility in wrapping himself in such a divine mantle.
The authoritarian leader presents himself as a divine or messianic figure who is uniquely able to vanquish the forces of evil and make the world safe for the faithful. As God incarnate, the leader is by definition omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent,
David Livingstone Smith, https://www.une.edu/people/david-livingstone-smith a professor of philosophy at the University of New England, wrote before Trump won for the second time. https://davidlivingstonesmith.substack. ... -the-trump
Sacred leaders are messianic figures, who promise salvation for true believers. When a movement is headed by a sacred leader, it resembles a religion,
he wrote after. https://davidlivingstonesmith.substack. ... ly-fascism
Trump is a sacred leader. His evangelical followers often refer to him as a ‘savior’ or ‘anointed one’ chosen by God …
Trump was not, personally, a paragon of conventional religious devotion. Yet his political career depended on a hunger among his most dedicated supporters that can only be called spiritual,
Molly Worthen, https://history.unc.edu/faculty-members/molly-worthen/ a history professor at the University of North Carolina and an expert on the intersection of religion, culture and politics, wrote in her book Spellbound that came out just this week. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/book ... y-worthen/
He’s a nihilist for whom the only source of meaning is the amassing of personal power, turning his will into personal, political, financial and territorial domination, and that’s totally compatible with a messiah complex,
Worthen told me.
I don’t see the recent turn in his language as a deviation from past patterns, but the fuller realization of those patterns.
Sacred? Chosen? Messianic?
As a Christian myself, the fact that he was spared … and then was re-elected … does have significance — and I would say that even if it was the other party and the other candidate who had been spared and then elected,
Scott Lamb, the co-author of The Faith of Donald J. Trump, told me.
It’s simply a matter of biblical reflection,
Lamb added, pointing to Proverbs 16:9.
The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps.
Secular reality of course is more complicated. Trump has not been able to end Russia’s war on Ukraine with the wave of a proverbial wand. He’s not been able to ordain peace in the Middle East. And court after court https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/us/p ... riffs.html has stymied the implementation of his edicts. He’s seemed at times frustrated and even flustered by this incapacity.


U.S. President Donald Trump, seen in reflection, speaks
“As people of faith, we are all on missions from God,” says White House communications director Steven Cheung. “The President has the biggest mission — to Make America Great Again and to help bring peace across the world. And he’s doing just that.” | Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images


Late Wednesday night, in the aftermath of the latest significant setback https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/2 ... s-00373843 in the form of the decision of a federal court to overturn the tariffs at the heart of his economic program, Trump took to Truth Social. Among the barrage of his posts was a meme of Trump striding down a darkened city street.
HE’S ON A MISSION FROM GOD,
read the words. https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 7076099501
NOTHING CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING.
Does the president mean with the post of this meme,
I asked in a text message to White House communications director Steven Cheung,
that he’s literally on a mission from God?
As people of faith, we are all on missions from God,
Cheung responded.
The President has the biggest mission — to Make America Great Again and to help bring peace across the world. And he’s doing just that.

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Re: Does Israel control America, or does America control Israel?

Post by Union » 30 May 2025, 23:08

No, money controls both. If you take the money out the equation they will be enemies.

Well, as you can see the money is running out,.US is becoming at least like eastern Europe. Then imagine what isreal will be like

The game is over. The old ferenjis are gone

Peace is on its way to us!!

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Re: Does Israel control America, or does America control Israel?

Post by Zmeselo » 31 May 2025, 00:26

Money, is just a commodity. Who controls it?
Union wrote:
30 May 2025, 23:08
No, money controls both. If you take the money out the equation they will be enemies.

Well, as you can see the money is running out,.US is becoming at least like eastern Europe. Then imagine what isreal will be like

The game is over. The old ferenjis are gone

Peace is on its way to us!!

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Re: Does Israel control America, or does America control Israel?

Post by Union » 31 May 2025, 15:00

Commodity controls them then. If they don't have enough to spend they become enemies to eachother. When they are still able to print everything is so far so good. The problem will come when they are not able to print anymore due to hyperinflation or liqudated bond, which is not a farfetch.

By then no direct and indirect money will enter isreal. Because CBDC will exist to control all sound money. There will not be surplus of money to extract like it has been since 1970's. Those days will end very soon. We already see the sign in isreal, US, Europe and china.

The down fall of the west is here. Those controled would want their freedom.
Zmeselo wrote:
31 May 2025, 00:26
Money, is just a commodity. Who controls it?
Union wrote:
30 May 2025, 23:08
No, money controls both. If you take the money out the equation they will be enemies.

Well, as you can see the money is running out,.US is becoming at least like eastern Europe. Then imagine what isreal will be like

The game is over. The old ferenjis are gone

Peace is on its way to us!!

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