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Abere wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 16:26

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 16:07

It don’t matter it can’t be reversed according to international law Ethiopia can recall its ambassador to Eritrea and cut all ties with Eritrea . But Eritrea is an recognised nation member of the United Nations member of the African Union member of Igad. And observer member of the Arab league . International law doesn’t work according to the tribal laws of Ethiopia or the gurage tribal laws. When Eritrea was given an “United nation supervised referendum with the approval of Ethiopia. That was the moment it was done according to international law , Eritrea secession from Ethiopia was done in a legal manner . Ethiopia had one card had it denied Eritrea a supervised referendum in 1993 then Ethiopia would have had the upper hand but , Eritrea and EPLF rebels played it smart they put their cousins tigrayans in power in Addis Ababa they signed off on the referendum . I would even say that isias afewerki hold the pen of sibhat nega while he signed it , so this is a done deal it can’t be reversed now the damage has been done for Ethiopia at least . For Eritrea 1993 was joyful year . So you can’t reverse so what you could say is Ethiopia can cut ties with Eritrea it can even say a statement that it revoked the recognition of Eritrea but it won’t have any sort of impact , at all according to international law and that is international law my friend not gurage law dear lad . For example Kosovo is denied statehood by Serbia. Serbia doesn’t recognise Kosovo referendum it calls it illegal . It wasn’t even a United nation supervised referendum . Serbia stands firm from a legal point of view and has a legal argument that Kosovo is part of Serbia . The mother country doesn’t approve the secession of kosovo. It was ochostrated by the west as it seems.


Dr Zackovich

Check with AI, I tried same concept in the past. It is not that dead issue with current cut throat scenario and dog eat dog fight. There may be international heat but it is not a dead thing specially with status quo of Eritrea and bad international relation with interest groups. However, would not be easy to the Oromo-anarchists either as their international diplomacy is moribund unless there is some power encouraging them to do the potentially dangerous act! Doubt they will dare due to their home mess. If they dare, for sure HoA may see changes sooner or later

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 16:07

It don’t matter it can’t be reversed according to international law Ethiopia can recall its ambassador to Eritrea and cut all ties with Eritrea . But Eritrea is an recognised nation member of the United Nations member of the African Union member of Igad. And observer member of the Arab league . International law doesn’t work according to the tribal laws of Ethiopia or the gurage tribal laws. When Eritrea was given an “United nation supervised referendum with the approval of Ethiopia. That was the moment it was done according to international law , Eritrea secession from Ethiopia was done in a legal manner . Ethiopia had one card had it denied Eritrea a supervised referendum in 1993 then Ethiopia would have had the upper hand but , Eritrea and EPLF rebels played it smart they put their cousins tigrayans in power in Addis Ababa they signed off on the referendum . I would even say that isias afewerki hold the pen of sibhat nega while he signed it , so this is a done deal it can’t be reversed now the damage has been done for Ethiopia at least . For Eritrea 1993 was joyful year . So you can’t reverse so what you could say is Ethiopia can cut ties with Eritrea it can even say a statement that it revoked the recognition of Eritrea but it won’t have any sort of impact , at all according to international law and that is international law my friend not gurage law dear lad . For example Kosovo is denied statehood by Serbia. Serbia doesn’t recognise Kosovo referendum it calls it illegal . It wasn’t even a United nation supervised referendum . Serbia stands firm from a legal point of view and has a legal argument that Kosovo is part of Serbia . The mother country doesn’t approve the secession of kosovo. It was ochostrated by the west as it seems.


Dr Zackovich

Dama wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 17:17

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 16:07

It don’t matter it can’t be reversed according to international law Ethiopia can recall its ambassador to Eritrea and cut all ties with Eritrea . But Eritrea is an recognised nation member of the United Nations member of the African Union member of Igad. And observer member of the Arab league . International law doesn’t work according to the tribal laws of Ethiopia or the gurage tribal laws. When Eritrea was given an “United nation supervised referendum with the approval of Ethiopia. That was the moment it was done according to international law , Eritrea secession from Ethiopia was done in a legal manner . Ethiopia had one card had it denied Eritrea a supervised referendum in 1993 then Ethiopia would have had the upper hand but , Eritrea and EPLF rebels played it smart they put their cousins tigrayans in power in Addis Ababa they signed off on the referendum . I would even say that isias afewerki hold the pen of sibhat nega while he signed it , so this is a done deal it can’t be reversed now the damage has been done for Ethiopia at least . For Eritrea 1993 was joyful year . So you can’t reverse so what you could say is Ethiopia can cut ties with Eritrea it can even say a statement that it revoked the recognition of Eritrea but it won’t have any sort of impact , at all according to international law and that is international law my friend not gurage law dear lad . For example Kosovo is denied statehood by Serbia. Serbia doesn’t recognise Kosovo referendum it calls it illegal . It wasn’t even a United nation supervised referendum . Serbia stands firm from a legal point of view and has a legal argument that Kosovo is part of Serbia . The mother country doesn’t approve the secession of kosovo. It was ochostrated by the west as it seems.


Dr Zackovich

Very well illustrated bad faith and conspiracy between EPLF and TPLF against Ethiopia to establish the referendum, execute the tlrefetendum and accept the result of the referendum. But, you erred in concluding that legal documents signed in bad faith are binding. No. Contracts signed in bad faith are not binding when it is discovered that there existed bad faith such as cheating, conspiracy, misrepresentations, short cuts and improper processes were used to achieve signing of the referendum.
Go easy on Gurage. Stop being racist.

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 17:34

Dama wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 17:17

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 16:07

It don’t matter it can’t be reversed according to international law Ethiopia can recall its ambassador to Eritrea and cut all ties with Eritrea . But Eritrea is an recognised nation member of the United Nations member of the African Union member of Igad. And observer member of the Arab league . International law doesn’t work according to the tribal laws of Ethiopia or the gurage tribal laws. When Eritrea was given an “United nation supervised referendum with the approval of Ethiopia. That was the moment it was done according to international law , Eritrea secession from Ethiopia was done in a legal manner . Ethiopia had one card had it denied Eritrea a supervised referendum in 1993 then Ethiopia would have had the upper hand but , Eritrea and EPLF rebels played it smart they put their cousins tigrayans in power in Addis Ababa they signed off on the referendum . I would even say that isias afewerki hold the pen of sibhat nega while he signed it , so this is a done deal it can’t be reversed now the damage has been done for Ethiopia at least . For Eritrea 1993 was joyful year . So you can’t reverse so what you could say is Ethiopia can cut ties with Eritrea it can even say a statement that it revoked the recognition of Eritrea but it won’t have any sort of impact , at all according to international law and that is international law my friend not gurage law dear lad . For example Kosovo is denied statehood by Serbia. Serbia doesn’t recognise Kosovo referendum it calls it illegal . It wasn’t even a United nation supervised referendum . Serbia stands firm from a legal point of view and has a legal argument that Kosovo is part of Serbia . The mother country doesn’t approve the secession of kosovo. It was ochostrated by the west as it seems.


Dr Zackovich

Very well illustrated bad faith and conspiracy between EPLF and TPLF against Ethiopia to establish the referendum, execute the tlrefetendum and accept the result of the referendum. But, you erred in concluding that legal documents signed in bad faith are binding. No. Contracts signed in bad faith are not binding when it is discovered that there existed bad faith such as cheating, conspiracy, misrepresentations, short cuts and improper processes were used to achieve signing of the referendum.
Go easy on Gurage. Stop being racist.

On the contrary there is no law that says you can’t strong arm a country or government to fulfil ur demands as long as it is done legally the EPRDF was the recognised entity after the cold war Ethiopia the international community the west the rest of the world doesn’t see it in another way .this government that signed the independence referendum of Eritrea . Reigned over Ethiopia for the next 3 decades . It ruled all part of Ethiopia it was a legitimate government of Ethiopia it conducted relations with the international community it was the darling of the west matter in fact the international community welcomed the break through of Eritrea and Ethiopia peace deal which led to the independence and recognition of Eritrea in order to find peace . Had Eritrea unilaterally declared independence with out the consent of meles and sibhat . It would be the in the same predicament today as Somaliland is . The USA and the European countries wouldn’t recognise Eritrea if it didn’t conduct relations with the parent state Ethiopia. Somalilanders would bring the argument that somalia isn’t somaliland parent state because it was part of a country called the Somali republic but this is a flawed argument Somalia is viewed as one country and that Somalia and Somaliland were part of a union called the Somali republic . But the Somali republic kept on existing and unilateral secession isn’t condoned by the international community that’s why the international community refused to recognise Somaliland . So in a sense the Eritreans outsmarted their foes and got their country. It doesn’t matter how you do it . What matters is that you do it through the proper channels and that is what they did indeed.


Dr Zackovich

The AI looks at a lot of documents in seconds and synthesizes quite good information of course based on what you ask it. I don't think it is something you can shun like that but at your own risk. I am not really encouraging to do anything or being actively involved in the issue, but I just wanted to give you a heads up. You appear to give conclusions by assumption without looking at precedents. Situations have changed and the world order is not the same as few years back. It is just you need a strong backer with rich experience of what has happened in the region in the past 30 years, virtually HoA degenerating into chaos instead of peace and prosperity. If international interest groups or stake holders are into it, the systems both in Eritrea and Ethiopia need a radical change specially if that can happen without conflagrating the region

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 17:34

Dama wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 17:17

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 16:07

It don’t matter it can’t be reversed according to international law Ethiopia can recall its ambassador to Eritrea and cut all ties with Eritrea . But Eritrea is an recognised nation member of the United Nations member of the African Union member of Igad. And observer member of the Arab league . International law doesn’t work according to the tribal laws of Ethiopia or the gurage tribal laws. When Eritrea was given an “United nation supervised referendum with the approval of Ethiopia. That was the moment it was done according to international law , Eritrea secession from Ethiopia was done in a legal manner . Ethiopia had one card had it denied Eritrea a supervised referendum in 1993 then Ethiopia would have had the upper hand but , Eritrea and EPLF rebels played it smart they put their cousins tigrayans in power in Addis Ababa they signed off on the referendum . I would even say that isias afewerki hold the pen of sibhat nega while he signed it , so this is a done deal it can’t be reversed now the damage has been done for Ethiopia at least . For Eritrea 1993 was joyful year . So you can’t reverse so what you could say is Ethiopia can cut ties with Eritrea it can even say a statement that it revoked the recognition of Eritrea but it won’t have any sort of impact , at all according to international law and that is international law my friend not gurage law dear lad . For example Kosovo is denied statehood by Serbia. Serbia doesn’t recognise Kosovo referendum it calls it illegal . It wasn’t even a United nation supervised referendum . Serbia stands firm from a legal point of view and has a legal argument that Kosovo is part of Serbia . The mother country doesn’t approve the secession of kosovo. It was ochostrated by the west as it seems.


Dr Zackovich

Very well illustrated bad faith and conspiracy between EPLF and TPLF against Ethiopia to establish the referendum, execute the tlrefetendum and accept the result of the referendum. But, you erred in concluding that legal documents signed in bad faith are binding. No. Contracts signed in bad faith are not binding when it is discovered that there existed bad faith such as cheating, conspiracy, misrepresentations, short cuts and improper processes were used to achieve signing of the referendum.
Go easy on Gurage. Stop being racist.

On the contrary there is no law that says you can’t strong arm a country or government to fulfil ur demands as long as it is done legally the EPRDF was the recognised entity after the cold war Ethiopia the international community the west the rest of the world doesn’t see it in another way .this government that signed the independence referendum of Eritrea . Reigned over Ethiopia for the next 3 decades . It ruled all part of Ethiopia it was a legitimate government of Ethiopia it conducted relations with the international community it was the darling of the west matter in fact the international community welcomed the break through of Eritrea and Ethiopia peace deal which led to the independence and recognition of Eritrea in order to find peace . Had Eritrea unilaterally declared independence with out the consent of meles and sibhat . It would be the in the same predicament today as Somaliland is . The USA and the European countries wouldn’t recognise Eritrea if it didn’t conduct relations with the parent state Ethiopia. Somalilanders would bring the argument that somalia isn’t somaliland parent state because it was part of a country called the Somali republic but this is a flawed argument Somalia is viewed as one country and that Somalia and Somaliland were part of a union called the Somali republic . But the Somali republic kept on existing and unilateral secession isn’t condoned by the international community that’s why the international community refused to recognise Somaliland . So in a sense the Eritreans outsmarted their foes and got their country. It doesn’t matter how you do it . What matters is that you do it through the proper channels and that is what they did indeed.


Dr Zackovich

Horus wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 20:46

Zack,
First, I like your candor. The Ethiopian people were never given the opportunity to express their consent in the matter. TPLF/EPLF dominated "parliament" decided on the fate a nation of 130 million. Now, surely PP dominated "parliament" will revoke that decision. But notice, the current Ethiopia government has a much robust nation political support for the revocation. That is the first step as Abere Said.

What is is important is not the legal fictions regarding UN, AU, IGAD etc. The central significance of the revocation concerns the relationship on the ground between Ethiopia and Eritrea and the connected Horn countries. This will change all the games. Border issues, questions of rights and sovereignty, movement of peoples and any and all matters of legality. The pandora box is open for eternity.

Ethiopia considering Eritrea as one of its historical provinces will take us back to the Status quo ante! Then all bets will be up for play.

አልጠግብ ባይ ሲተፋ ያድራል ነውና ይቺ short sighted, illegal and እብሪተኛ moves of Meles, Sibhat Nega and Isayas will come home to roost!

Follow the unfolding drama!

Dama wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 19:44

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 17:34

Dama wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 17:17

Zack wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2025, 16:07

It don’t matter it can’t be reversed according to international law Ethiopia can recall its ambassador to Eritrea and cut all ties with Eritrea . But Eritrea is an recognised nation member of the United Nations member of the African Union member of Igad. And observer member of the Arab league . International law doesn’t work according to the tribal laws of Ethiopia or the gurage tribal laws. When Eritrea was given an “United nation supervised referendum with the approval of Ethiopia. That was the moment it was done according to international law , Eritrea secession from Ethiopia was done in a legal manner . Ethiopia had one card had it denied Eritrea a supervised referendum in 1993 then Ethiopia would have had the upper hand but , Eritrea and EPLF rebels played it smart they put their cousins tigrayans in power in Addis Ababa they signed off on the referendum . I would even say that isias afewerki hold the pen of sibhat nega while he signed it , so this is a done deal it can’t be reversed now the damage has been done for Ethiopia at least . For Eritrea 1993 was joyful year . So you can’t reverse so what you could say is Ethiopia can cut ties with Eritrea it can even say a statement that it revoked the recognition of Eritrea but it won’t have any sort of impact , at all according to international law and that is international law my friend not gurage law dear lad . For example Kosovo is denied statehood by Serbia. Serbia doesn’t recognise Kosovo referendum it calls it illegal . It wasn’t even a United nation supervised referendum . Serbia stands firm from a legal point of view and has a legal argument that Kosovo is part of Serbia . The mother country doesn’t approve the secession of kosovo. It was ochostrated by the west as it seems.


Dr Zackovich

Very well illustrated bad faith and conspiracy between EPLF and TPLF against Ethiopia to establish the referendum, execute the tlrefetendum and accept the result of the referendum. But, you erred in concluding that legal documents signed in bad faith are binding. No. Contracts signed in bad faith are not binding when it is discovered that there existed bad faith such as cheating, conspiracy, misrepresentations, short cuts and improper processes were used to achieve signing of the referendum.
Go easy on Gurage. Stop being racist.

On the contrary there is no law that says you can’t strong arm a country or government to fulfil ur demands as long as it is done legally the EPRDF was the recognised entity after the cold war Ethiopia the international community the west the rest of the world doesn’t see it in another way .this government that signed the independence referendum of Eritrea . Reigned over Ethiopia for the next 3 decades . It ruled all part of Ethiopia it was a legitimate government of Ethiopia it conducted relations with the international community it was the darling of the west matter in fact the international community welcomed the break through of Eritrea and Ethiopia peace deal which led to the independence and recognition of Eritrea in order to find peace . Had Eritrea unilaterally declared independence with out the consent of meles and sibhat . It would be the in the same predicament today as Somaliland is . The USA and the European countries wouldn’t recognise Eritrea if it didn’t conduct relations with the parent state Ethiopia. Somalilanders would bring the argument that somalia isn’t somaliland parent state because it was part of a country called the Somali republic but this is a flawed argument Somalia is viewed as one country and that Somalia and Somaliland were part of a union called the Somali republic . But the Somali republic kept on existing and unilateral secession isn’t condoned by the international community that’s why the international community refused to recognise Somaliland . So in a sense the Eritreans outsmarted their foes and got their country. It doesn’t matter how you do it . What matters is that you do it through the proper channels and that is what they did indeed.


Dr Zackovich

Disaggreable conclusion. Commonsense says if you cheated, tricked, rigged processes, jumped courses, or taken short cuts, ignored important processes for the sole purpose of achievinging signed contract, when these flaws are disocovered, the contract shall be null and void. Consult a law book or lawyer, they would exactly say this is so.
Bad faith signatures end their binding when their flawed processes are discovered. The cheating party is usually punished for punitive damages for knowingly corrupting the process of obtaining the contract signed.