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[Dama]

An-Nisa's verse 157

"and for boasting only, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_i ... o%20heaven.)

[Odie]

An-Nisa's verse 157

"and for boasting only, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_i ... o%20heaven.)

From doctrine perspective that is why Islam is called the devils religion. That is what Salman Rushdie book the satanic verses say.
Jesus said about himself: "No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6.
John 11:25-26 KJV
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.”

John 3:16 states: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.".

That is why they call Allah is Arabian pagan god and Mohammad a false prophet!

[Dama]

Your uneducated vitriols are anything but war trumpets. You got to learn to live without them to be happy. You should not believe in indulging in violent rhetorics brings happiness to your otherwise dull and miserable life.

I know you are either blind who can not read texts or you hate to read. You did not read the wikipedia article before you ran your mouth.
Again, read it. Advised.

[Odie]

Your uneducated vitriols are anything but war trumpets. You got to learn to live without them to be happy. You should not believe in indulging in violent rhetorics brings happiness to your otherwise dull and miserable life.

I know you are either blind who can not read texts or you hate to read. You did not read the wikipedia article before you ran your mouth.
Again, read it. Advised.

[Agazi General]

WAWW MY AGAZIAN AGAME AGENT BRAZER DAMAGED AKA ODIE MAKES 1 POST ABOUT ISLAM ZEN HE COMMENTS AS A SO CALLED GURAGE CHRISTIAN. WOWWW ZEN HE CAN PROVOKE CONFLICTN WAWWW

[Odie]

WAWW MY AGAZIAN AGAME AGENT BRAZER DAMAGED AKA ODIE MAKES 1 POST ABOUT ISLAM ZEN HE COMMENTS AS A SO CALLED GURAGE CHRISTIAN. WOWWW ZEN HE CAN PROVOKE CONFLICTN WAWWW

That imbecile wants me to read Wikipedia as reference and accept that Jesus did not die and rise (devils lie ). Looke what is said about Wikipedia as a source!

"Because Wikipedia cannot be considered a reliable source, the use of Wikipedia is not accepted in many schools and universities in writing a formal paper, and some educational institutions have banned it as a primary source while others have limited its use to only a pointer to external sources."

There is a guy called Balcha Safo in Ethiopian history. He is supposed to be a Gurage in origin or mixed or just an Ethiopian. The OLF hard core, OPP they come may be two times a week and change his story. If they make him Gurage for one week, he becomes Oromo for two weeks and mixed tribe for another week. In another words it is like Wolkayt. Wolkayt is supposed to be Amhara land. You are not expected to agree if you are TPLF. Then TPLF came, liked the sesame land and made it a Tigre land. Then TPLF crash landed, and the land went to the original owners. Now TPLF wants to re-write the story of Wolkayt again because it tasted how sweet the cash crop Sesame is.
It is just like that. Wikipedia is edited daily by whoever has agenda on the topic.
Imbeciles like Dama want us to study the unreliable source Wikipedia to believe their fiction

[Dama]

"The Quran, as we have already argued, does not deny the death of Christ. Rather, it challenges human beings who in their folly have deluded themselves into believing that they would vanquish the divine Word, Jesus Christ the Messenger of God. The death of Jesus is asserted several times and in various contexts. (3:55, 5:117, 19:33)[75]"

[Odie]

"The Quran, as we have already argued, does not deny the death of Christ. Rather, it challenges human beings who in their folly have deluded themselves into believing that they would vanquish the divine Word, Jesus Christ the Messenger of God. The death of Jesus is asserted several times and in various contexts. (3:55, 5:117, 19:33)[75]"

Koran is nothing more than convince, confuse and conquer book of Arabs to colonize the world specifically enslave black Africa. It is an adulterated Old Testament copied from Jews.
It allows killing innocent people by labeling them infidel. It allows child marriage, incest and polygamy. It is a patriarchal book with no flexibility that gave the world Taliban, Bin laden and ISIS. Don't try to preach or teach us this book.

[Misraq]

this is a high profile debate between Islam and Christian (orthodox) where the mohammadans run to avoid embracement. after finishing this, you will be shocked and your overall outlook of islam will be altered for eternity. A few excerpts from the hard evidences disucssed on this debate

መሃመድ ሊጥ ይበዳ ነበር፥፥ ሎሽን ባልነበረበት ዘመን በሊጥ ማስተርቤት ያደርግ ነበር
መሃመድ ሃባብ (water melon) ይበዳ ነበር
መሃመድ አይሻን በ8 አመትዋ በትዳር ከወሰዳት በህዋላ የ30 ሰው የወሲብ ሃይል ነበረው (just imagine if Aysha was your daughter)
መሃመድ 19 አመት ሴት ልጅን ገና አልደረሰችም ብሎ ለትዳር የጠየቀውን ከልክሎአል፥፥
መሃመድ የወንድ ልጅ ብልት ይስምና ይጠባ ነበር
መሃመድ ለ3 አመታት በጽኑ ስቃይ ተሰቃይቶ ነው የሞተው የአይሻ ምስክርነት
እስልምና የ3 ቀን ትዳርን ይፈቅዳል፥፥ ሶስት ቀን ከበዳህ በህዋላ መፍታት ትችላለህ ግን መክፈል አለብህ ይላል፥፤ ይህ ከሴተኛ አዳሪነት በምን ይለያል

እና ሌሎችም

[Zmeselo]

The Prophet Isaiah, 500 years before the birth of Christ:


NIV Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[Odie]

I am sure Dama is shouting alone and gone crazy

Even General Ze-meslo came up with one of the most adored Christian Bible chapters, Isiah 53 (very close to my heart indeed )

Shall we trust general Ze-meslo though?

I am sure Deki-Arawit will have a say on the action of Ze-meslo and will postpone any positive comment for posterity

[Dama]

The actual fact of the crucifixion is not itself a matter which the Book of God seeks to affirm or deny, except for the purpose of asserting the killing of prophets by the Jews unjustly, and reproaching them for that act;... that the Creator of the universe could be incarnated in the womb of a woman in this earth which, in comparison to the rest of His creation, is like an atom, and then be a human being eating and drinking, experiencing fatigue and suffering other hardships like the rest of mankind. Then His enemies would level at Him insults and pain, and finally crucify Him with thieves and declare Him cursed according to the Book He revealed to one of His apostles, exalted be He over all this! ... We say rather no one believes it because belief (iman) is the affirmation (tasdiq) by reason of something that it can apprehend;... The claim of the people of the Cross, therefore, that clemency and forgiveness are opposed to justice, is unacceptable.

— Imam Muhammad Rashid Rida, in Tafsir al-Manar Vol. VI pp. 23, 26-27, [77]
An early interpretation of verse 3:55 (specifically "I will cause you to die and raise you to myself"), Al-Tabari (d. 923), records an interpretation attributed to Ibn 'Abbas, who used the literal "I will cause you to die" (mumayyitu-ka) in place of the metaphorical mutawaffi-ka ('Jesus died'), while Wahb ibn Munabbih, an early Jewish convert, is reported to have said "God caused Jesus, son of Mary, to die for three hours during the day, then took him up to himself." Tabari further transmits from Ibn Ishaq: "God caused Jesus to die for seven hours",[78] while at another place reported that a person called Sergius was crucified in place of Jesus. Ibn-al-Athir forwarded the report that it was Judas, the betrayer, while also mentioning the possibility it was a man named Natlianus.

[Odie]

The actual fact of the crucifixion is not itself a matter which the Book of God seeks to affirm or deny, except for the purpose of asserting the killing of prophets by the Jews unjustly, and reproaching them for that act;... that the Creator of the universe could be incarnated in the womb of a woman in this earth which, in comparison to the rest of His creation, is like an atom, and then be a human being eating and drinking, experiencing fatigue and suffering other hardships like the rest of mankind. Then His enemies would level at Him insults and pain, and finally crucify Him with thieves and declare Him cursed according to the Book He revealed to one of His apostles, exalted be He over all this! ... We say rather no one believes it because belief (iman) is the affirmation (tasdiq) by reason of something that it can apprehend;... The claim of the people of the Cross, therefore, that clemency and forgiveness are opposed to justice, is unacceptable.

— Imam Muhammad Rashid Rida, in Tafsir al-Manar Vol. VI pp. 23, 26-27, [77]
An early interpretation of verse 3:55 (specifically "I will cause you to die and raise you to myself"), Al-Tabari (d. 923), records an interpretation attributed to Ibn 'Abbas, who used the literal "I will cause you to die" (mumayyitu-ka) in place of the metaphorical mutawaffi-ka ('Jesus died'), while Wahb ibn Munabbih, an early Jewish convert, is reported to have said "God caused Jesus, son of Mary, to die for three hours during the day, then took him up to himself." Tabari further transmits from Ibn Ishaq: "God caused Jesus to die for seven hours",[78] while at another place reported that a person called Sergius was crucified in place of Jesus. Ibn-al-Athir forwarded the report that it was Judas, the betrayer, while also mentioning the possibility it was a man named Natlianus.

Don't blabber too much!

I am spilling the beans here.

I had a Muslim background before following the Jesus way

I bashed Christians like you did. I even asked them how on earth they could say God had a son? I had no knowledge of trinity. To experience Christianity, you have to come closer to Jesus and ask him and have a personal encounter. You will then know Christianity is real and life, not a religion per se.
I saw Muslims washing 7x a knife Christians used before they made it a Muslim knife. What an ignorance.

In high school I became evolutionist, somewhat Marxist, science lover etc...

I deliberately deserted all of them when I met Jesus at the time of a life predicament. I still walk with him despite weaknesses I still love science but very clearly understand its weaknesses/limitations, how far it can serve and the fact that it is limited to the material world only. I don't fly away with everything science says.

Islam is not a religion. It is a political weapon and sad to say, a wrong path

Since we share this planet and we all are humans, we leave everything for informed decision making and we don't force our ideology into others mouth. It is not expected all humans to be practicing Christians (written in the Bible) it is a choice. It is a choice to follow Jesus or not. Not by force.
We are expected to accept coexistence and civility.
My last say on this thread of yours.

[Dama]

Go. It's for good.
We will carry on the learning.

Quran

Jesus is referred to in the Quran throughout 15 Surahs.[1] The Quran emphasizes Jesus as a prophet, unique in creation, born out of a virgin, and messenger from God.[2] He is usually referred to as "ʿĪsā ibn Maryam" (Jesus son of Mary) and al-Masīḥ.[3][4] Jesus is described as God’s word (kalima), which appears to be the equivalent of the Greek logos, imparted to Mary and to be his spirit.[5] Yet, the Quran rejects the identification of Jesus and God (Surah 5:73, 116) in order to protect God's absolute unity (tawhid).[6] Jesus is understood to have preached salvation through submission to God's will and worshipping God alone. The Quran states that Jesus will ultimately deny claiming divinity in 5:116. Thus, he is considered to have been a Muslim by the religious definition of the term (i.e., one who submits to God's will).[7][8] The bodily crucifixion, perceived as an event of humiliation, is denied (4:157).[9]