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A piece of history.

Post by Zmeselo » 29 Mar 2025, 03:31


Then TPLF, OLF and EPLF leaders- London 1991

In mid 1990, in a meeting held in Massawa which included the EPLF (Eritrean People’s Liberation Front), TPLF (Tigray People’s Liberation Front), and OLF (Oromo Liberation Front), the EPLF put forward a proposal: Ethiopian POWs, whom the TPLF had organized into the OPDO (Oromo People’s Democratic Organization), should instead align with the OLF.

The TPLF, represented by Meles Zenawi and possibly Tewolde Gebru, first agreed but backtracked the next day. The EPLF argued that the Oromo didn’t need an additional entity like the OPDO to achieve their internal self-determination, seeing the OLF as sufficient.

Eritrea, played a key role in championing Oromo self-determination. Against this backdrop, it’s poignant and unfortunate to see some Oromo figures now eyeing Eritrean land, a stark contrast to Eritrea’s past support for their self-determination struggle.
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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Zmeselo » 29 Mar 2025, 03:39



This guy apparently served in Asmara—sadly, it seems he didn’t take the time to learn from Eritrea’s thoughtful and principled understanding of the region.

For educational purposes—since he seems to rely on sound bites of a bygone era, instead of actual history:

On Sudan, the region stood united against the National Islamic Front for its role in terrorism—including harboring Osama bin Laden and orchestrating the attempted assassination of President Mubarak in Addis Ababa. What he calls an “invasion” was, in fact, a regional response to contain the NIF’s destabilizing actions—and his own country was part of it.

In 1997, Ethiopian forces pushed deep into Sudan’s Blue Nile and Gadaref states, while backing and arming the SPLM/A. The difference? Ethiopia went on to illegally occupy Sudanese territory—Fashaga—for over two decades, until it was finally dislodged in 2020. Eritrea, by contrast, restored relations with Sudan following the BashirTurabi split, respected Sudan’s sovereignty, and made no territorial claims.

The Djibouti issue, was a manufactured conflict from the start. A glance at the WikiLeaks cables, especially the conversation between former Ethiopian Deputy Foreign Minister Tekeda Alemu and Donald Yamamoto, makes that clear. It was a border skirmish, nothing more.

After the 2010 Doha-mediated agreement, Eritrea and Djibouti both disengaged from the contested areas and maintained stability—even after the Qatari peacekeepers withdrew. The striking part, is that the Ethiopian government publicly condemned the peace deal—likely the first and only time a state has openly criticized a peaceful agreement between its neighboring countries.

With Yemen, it was a brief territorial dispute that triggered a short-lived clash. When the Permanent Court of Arbitration ruled in Yemen’s favor, Eritrea complied fully—no ifs, no buts. Eritrean forces withdrew well ahead of the Court’s 90-day deadline.

What’s often overlooked is that Ethiopia actually supported Eritrea’s position on the Hanish Islands. Under a military pact, it deployed an air defense system in Assab in 1996, which remained there until war broke out in 1998.

The border incidents with Djibouti and Yemen each lasted just two days. Not a single shot has been fired since. Yet for twenty years, Ethiopian elites kept invoking them—an absurd fixation.

I won’t delve into Ethiopia’s role in triggering the war with Eritrea. But let’s be clear: the main flashpoint, Badme, was awarded to Eritrea by an international court of arbitration. Under the Algiers Agreement, Ethiopia agreed that the ruling would be final and binding—and even appointed two of the five judges on the Boundary Commission. To claim that Eritrea “invaded” territory that legally belongs to it, is absurd. You cannot invade your own land—that is a simple fact. If there was an invader, it was Ethiopia, which instigated a senseless war and, when the dispute was legally resolved, refused to abide by the ruling for over almost two decades—to the detriment of both peoples and the wider region.

To sum up: Over the past 25 years, the contrast has been stark.

One is an expansionist state that flouts international law, seizes its neighbors’ land under the guise of fighting terrorism, stokes conflict between countries in the region, and continues to lay claim to foreign territory in the name of access to the sea. In fact, the Prime Minister recently told his Parliament that his country had gone to war with every neighbor. Ethiopia, has consistently acted as a Trojan horse for Western interests.

The other is a country that respects international rulings, even when the outcomes don’t favor it; that maintains an independent foreign policy anchored in building cooperative, stable relations; and that has stood by its neighbors in moments of real threat and instability.

The first is Ethiopia.

The second is Eritrea.

It is clear, who the destabilizer is.

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Meleket » 29 Mar 2025, 05:36

ምን ኣይነት ቦተሊካ ነው፡ መስተዋት የለም እንዴ?

ብሮፉርሸር ዘሜ ዘመሰሎ፡ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ጀብሃ ከላ ንሻዕብያ ምምስራት ኣይመድለዬን ንዝብል ሙጉት ክትቕበል ድልዊ ዲኻ? ከምዘይትኸውን ፍሉጥ ኢዩ። ፖለቲካዊ ኣመራርሓ ጀብሃ ጸገም ስለዝነበሮ ሻዕብያ ንክትምስረት ግድን ዀይኑ። ብኸምኡ እስከ ክትርእዮ ፈትን ነቲ ኩነት ናይ ህዝቢ ኦሮሞ! ያኢ ጀብሃ ቅርዑይ ኣመራርሓ ዚነበራ ከተምስል፡ “ሜዳ ኤርትራ ካብ ሓደ ቦለቲካዊ ውድብ ንላዕሊ ኪስከም ኣይክእልን ኢዩ" ትብል ነበረት ኪብሉ ንሰምዕ!

ኢትዮጵያዉያን በደፈናው የኦሮሞ ህዝብ ሆነ ሌላው ህዝብ ሁሉ እንዳሻዉ የመሆን መብት ኣለው። አይደለም ሁለት አስር የቦለቲካ ፓርቲዎች ማድረግ መብታቸው ነው። ምን ማድረግ እንዳለባቸው ኤርትራዉያን ኣንነግራቸውም። ምክንያቱም ከባለቤቱ ያወቀ ቡዳ ነዉና!

የጀብሃ ታጋዮች ሻዕብያ እንዳትፈጠር፡ “የኤርትራ ህዝብ ትግል ከአንድ የፖለቲካ ድርጅት በላይ መሸከም ኣይችልም” የሚል ፈሊጥ ይዘው ያራግቡ እንደነበር ይታወቃል። ነገር ግን የጀብሃ ኣመራር ችግር ስለነበረበት ሻዕብያ የግድ ተፈጠረ። ይህ ስሌት በኦሮሞ ህዝብ ትግል ውስጥ የማይሰራበት ምክንያት ምኑ ላይ ነው ካድሬው ዘሜ? እስቲ ቦርቀቅ አድርገህ ኣስረዳን። የኦሮሞ ህዝብ እንደፈለገው የፖለቲካ ፓርቲዎችን የመመስረት መብት ኣለው። የነጻነት ግንባሩ እንደ ጀብሃ የአመራር ችግር ካለበት የኦሮሞ ህዝብ ሌላ ያዋጣኛል የሚለውን ድርጅት ቢመሰርት ምኑ ላይ ነው ችግሩ? ከባለቤቱ ከኦሮሞ ህዝብ በላይ እናውቅልሃለን ማለት በፍጹም ኣይቻልም።

Zmeselo wrote:
29 Mar 2025, 03:31

Then TPLF, OLF and EPLF leaders- London 1991

In mid 1990, in a meeting held in Massawa which included the EPLF (Eritrean People’s Liberation Front), TPLF (Tigray People’s Liberation Front), and OLF (Oromo Liberation Front), the EPLF put forward a proposal: Ethiopian POWs, whom the TPLF had organized into the OPDO (Oromo People’s Democratic Organization), should instead align with the OLF.

The TPLF, represented by Meles Zenawi and possibly Tewolde Gebru, first agreed but backtracked the next day. The EPLF argued that the Oromo didn’t need an additional entity like the OPDO to achieve their internal self-determination, seeing the OLF as sufficient.

Eritrea, played a key role in championing Oromo self-determination. Against this backdrop, it’s poignant and unfortunate to see some Oromo figures now eyeing Eritrean land, a stark contrast to Eritrea’s past support for their self-determination struggle.
@Erihistory

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Odie » 29 Mar 2025, 10:03

Zmeselo wrote:
29 Mar 2025, 03:31

Then TPLF, OLF and EPLF leaders- London 1991

In mid 1990, in a meeting held in Massawa which included the EPLF (Eritrean People’s Liberation Front), TPLF (Tigray People’s Liberation Front), and OLF (Oromo Liberation Front), the EPLF put forward a proposal: Ethiopian POWs, whom the TPLF had organized into the OPDO (Oromo People’s Democratic Organization), should instead align with the OLF.

The TPLF, represented by Meles Zenawi and possibly Tewolde Gebru, first agreed but backtracked the next day. The EPLF argued that the Oromo didn’t need an additional entity like the OPDO to achieve their internal self-determination, seeing the OLF as sufficient.

Eritrea, played a key role in championing Oromo self-determination. Against this backdrop, it’s poignant and unfortunate to see some Oromo figures now eyeing Eritrean land, a stark contrast to Eritrea’s past support for their self-determination struggle.
@Erihistory
The trio evils!
Good you remember what you coocked against Ethiopia 1/4 a century back and it is biting you back :lol:
You tried to tame a snake which is biting you back!
That is what we told to your foot soldier Zooomali Zack when he said Shabiya saved Ethiopia :lol:

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Zack » 29 Mar 2025, 10:31

i actually oppose eritrea for not dividing Ethiopia , they should have done that they see it now that there is no way to reason with ethiopia , whether they are gallas amhara or tigrayans .

Dr Zackovich

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Odie » 29 Mar 2025, 10:54

Zack wrote:
29 Mar 2025, 10:31
i actually oppose eritrea for not dividing Ethiopia , they should have done that they see it now that there is no way to reason with ethiopia , whether they are gallas amhara or tigrayans .

Dr Zackovich
I know your intentions, you are a zooooooooomali. I did not miss that :lol: I am not going further on that, not to open a pandora box.

EPLF, even worse selected OLF which was and is more anti-Ethiopian than OPDO, old Derg POWS who actually get credit for staying with Ethiopia, however ignorant, fascist they are to keep the ethnic politics of the Tigrians. If they were able to introduce equality, democracy and justice in the country than perpetuate failed ethnic politics of TPLF, they could have fared a lot better with Ethiopian people including Amhara supporting them.

EPLF wanted OLF because, OLF was separatist. EPLF thought it could ride OLF once OLF tears Ethiopia. The problem is all sorts of EPLF casts are in 4 killo. Lencho leta the dark horse of EPLF is there. Dawd Ebisa the death horse of EPLF is there. But now, they want EPLF out. They, by chance, seem to be at their height of powerplay. When you are in power, you start to draw/try to catch the sky like the monkey. That is what is exactly happening. Unfortunately, both Ethiopians and Eritreans are not blessed with good governance, sound political ideology as a result of which they suffer cyclic violence and development failure.

Having said that, EPLF was too premature to be able to dissemble Ethiopia by then and powerless to do that even now.
Just they are trying to sound big and relevant, they never had that capability and will never be capable of undo Ethiopia, a complex country with interconnected webs of social fabric.

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Zmeselo » 29 Mar 2025, 11:48

Some people, are just stupid.

The TPLF tried to create the OPDO, comprised of POW's, and here they're arguing it's the desire of the Oromo people. First, they should try to understand what the article is saying before attempting to debate with me.

A bunch of cover up MLLT's!

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Odie » 29 Mar 2025, 12:05

The Oromo people as any other people in the world have a desire to leave in peace, democracy and perhaps get the taste of development. We don't believe Oromo people want neither the violent and oppressive OPDO/PP nor OLF. Neither development, peace nor security are there even among the regions where the Oromos live.
Of course, OPDO was and is the creation of TPLF the purpose of which was to make a way to ride the Oromo people through one OPDO. Whether ELF created/wnated OLF or TPLF created/wanted its soldier OPDO is semantics as both are evil.

Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, OPDO by chance or another crash-landed TPLF (of course with the support of Shabiya). The problem is OPDO is the same TPLF coin doing the same thing TPLF did. That is why people say there is no change in Ethiopia.

The question is who eats OPDO/PP now? We have to wait and see. There are potential candidates but when and how is something to wait and see.

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Sadacha Macca » 29 Mar 2025, 17:17

If anything, all this does is show that PIA (whom I still consider to be very intelligent) wanted to exploit oromia and Ethiopia, along with tplf, to build up wartorn tigray and Eritrea. Tplf just wasn't honest about it initially.
People like Bitweded Abraha and petros Solomon though, I hear, had reservations and preferred to not be so close to the tplf.
PIA and tplf wanted a puppet or satellite party, the opdo, not a genuine oromo party that would stand up for its self and people, and that puppet party ended up going against both of its initial creators (tplf and pias party). Very interesting indeed.

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Fiyameta » 29 Mar 2025, 17:39

When Meles Zenawi made a secret trip to New York to meet with his CIA handler Paul Henze in 1990, they discussed about how a "minority rule democracy" could work in post Derg Ethiopia.

Seeing how ethnic federalism was fragmenting both USSR and Yugoslavia at the time, Paul Henze recommended Ethiopia establish an ethnic federalism system to make the "minority rule democracy" experiment work, and if it doesn't...... oh well! :P :P

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Re: A piece of history.

Post by Zack » 29 Mar 2025, 18:19

Odie wrote:
29 Mar 2025, 10:54
Zack wrote:
29 Mar 2025, 10:31
i actually oppose eritrea for not dividing Ethiopia , they should have done that they see it now that there is no way to reason with ethiopia , whether they are gallas amhara or tigrayans .

Dr Zackovich
I know your intentions, you are a zooooooooomali. I did not miss that :lol: I am not going further on that, not to open a pandora box.

EPLF, even worse selected OLF which was and is more anti-Ethiopian than OPDO, old Derg POWS who actually get credit for staying with Ethiopia, however ignorant, fascist they are to keep the ethnic politics of the Tigrians. If they were able to introduce equality, democracy and justice in the country than perpetuate failed ethnic politics of TPLF, they could have fared a lot better with Ethiopian people including Amhara supporting them.

EPLF wanted OLF because, OLF was separatist. EPLF thought it could ride OLF once OLF tears Ethiopia. The problem is all sorts of EPLF casts are in 4 killo. Lencho leta the dark horse of EPLF is there. Dawd Ebisa the death horse of EPLF is there. But now, they want EPLF out. They, by chance, seem to be at their height of powerplay. When you are in power, you start to draw/try to catch the sky like the monkey. That is what is exactly happening. Unfortunately, both Ethiopians and Eritreans are not blessed with good governance, sound political ideology as a result of which they suffer cyclic violence and development failure.

Having said that, EPLF was too premature to be able to dissemble Ethiopia by then and powerless to do that even now.
Just they are trying to sound big and relevant, they never had that capability and will never be capable of undo Ethiopia, a complex country with interconnected webs of social fabric.

You know I am telling the truth in the beginning they thought it must be their agame cousins and Amhara that are like this but now they seen the galla subhumans are pretty much the same and thinking about stealing land from Eritrea. Eritrea had learned its lesson the hard way . Even when Eritrea helped the gallas to defeat the tigrayans in tigray. The gallas have backstabbed Eritrea

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