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Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 13 Mar 2025, 16:40

Two people who eat the same staple food have a lot in common than meets the eye. There is a soul-to-soul closeness. Existential values that emanate from the same food culture.

Gurage has been misled to look toward north Ethiopia for association.


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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Odie » 13 Mar 2025, 16:47

Dama wrote:
13 Mar 2025, 16:40
Two people who eat the same staple food have a lot in common than meets the eye. There is a soul-to-soul closeness. Existential values that emanate from the same food culture.

Gurage has been misled to look toward north Ethiopia for association.

Gallichu is not much a consumer of Kocho, unless by neighboring Sodo. They eat in fact more of Amhara staple Taffi specially in Shoa region. Gurage shares inset mostly with Southerners, especially Hadiya, further south to Gamo. I don't think what you eat has no political inference. Eritreans eat spaghetti but did not make them Italians, although behave like a slave of Italy. Actually, most Ethiopians eat Teff-injera, so we all should be very close to Amhara by this logic :lol: :lol:

There is nothing that is reminiscent of Gurage in this video except the Enset :mrgreen:

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Union » 13 Mar 2025, 20:39

:lol:
Horus aka Dama is trying to tell you he is ስልጤጋላ :lol:
Odie wrote:
13 Mar 2025, 16:47
Dama wrote:
13 Mar 2025, 16:40
Two people who eat the same staple food have a lot in common than meets the eye. There is a soul-to-soul closeness. Existential values that emanate from the same food culture.

Gurage has been misled to look toward north Ethiopia for association.

Gallichu is not much a consumer of Kocho, unless by neighboring Sodo. They eat in fact more of Amhara staple Taffi specially in Shoa region. Gurage shares inset mostly with Southerners, especially Hadiya, further south to Gamo. I don't think what you eat has no political inference. Eritreans eat spaghetti but did not make them Italians, although behave like a slave of Italy. Actually, most Ethiopians eat Teff-injera, so we all should be very close to Amhara by this logic :lol: :lol:

There is nothing that is reminiscent of Gurage in this video except the Enset :mrgreen:

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 14 Mar 2025, 14:46

Odie wrote:
13 Mar 2025, 16:47
Dama wrote:
13 Mar 2025, 16:40
Two people who eat the same staple food have a lot in common than meets the eye. There is a soul-to-soul closeness. Existential values that emanate from the same food culture.

Gurage has been misled to look toward north Ethiopia for association.

Gallichu is not much a consumer of Kocho, unless by neighboring Sodo. They eat in fact more of Amhara staple Taffi specially in Shoa region. Gurage shares inset mostly with Southerners, especially Hadiya, further south to Gamo. I don't think what you eat has no political inference. Eritreans eat spaghetti but did not make them Italians, although behave like a slave of Italy. Actually, most Ethiopians eat Teff-injera, so we all should be very close to Amhara by this logic :lol: :lol:

There is nothing that is reminiscent of Gurage in this video except the Enset :mrgreen:
Odie, you're too much of an Amaranized Gurage only because you lived in Addis, EOC or a breed of a right-wing neftenya settler, a misfit like oil floats on water without mixing who never became a Gurage. You weigh more on the latter. You are unwilling to see things from a native Gurage point of view.
I invite you to dive into the mind of a Gurage who doesn't speak Amharic or Oromofa. He never ate injera but wusa(kocho) always.He goes to a restaurant to eat dinner. He see two individuals eating, one injera and the other wusa or kocho. He would definitely order wusa, the food he grew up eating. Most probably, he would sit on the table next to the oromo who is eating kocho as well.
This is just one example of shared material and spiritual cultures bring people closer. They make social interactions a lot easier to build a lasting trust.
The same can be said porridge. North Ethiopians do not know what porridge is and how to make it.

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Odie » 14 Mar 2025, 16:22

Shut up, pseudo scholar!
How did you miss it that more Amhara in Addis than all Oromo included eat modern Kocho? Amhara lived among all Ethiopians, ate what others ate, spoke the local language and lived the same culture for most part although cannot be perfect their own way as any other human.

You say, "You are unwilling to see things from a native Gurage point of view." as if you are living among the Gurage, while you are enjoying life somewhere outside the country, peacefully but seeding division and hate using your keyboard.

What a surprise, you the Arab worshiper, (or a brother of "Lahacham Garuma", one Oromo guy currently ruling Gurage, selling them to Oromo) from Gubre is more indigenous than the person who grew up in their culture. Obviously as any huma, when you see different cultures, spend time in college, understand the fabric of humanity, perhaps a bit of the universe, you change as a human and you develop your own world outlook than does not follow the traditional non-factual beliefs. You become civil, hate barbarism and pagan rituals. You become a person who sees the biggest picture besides the details and nuances. That changes you. You don't expect to be the same you as a child who grew up in a particular culture.

Personally, I am not a skewed fan of anybody but aspire to be more of rational being that hates injustice and believes in reason/logic. In today's Ethiopia, Amhara is attacked and killed indiscriminately just simply it is a Chirstian or for unfounded past anecdotal tales or because it used to be the pillar of classical Ethiopia. If another ethnic was suffering same fate, my reaction would have been same or comparable. Did you notice what happened few days ago in Arusi? Even Oromo woman who married to Amhara tasted the suffering brought on people labeled and attacked as Amhara? This happens in day light where they say there is a system or gov that protects the people. My reaction to the demise of many Sodo Gurage people few months ago was the same. Perhaps stronger that Horus who states comes from the region but posts propaganda posts on this forum. Now you will say, I don't do that this when Muslims are attacked because you are Arab worshiper, and I am not going to answer to you about that.

As to Gurage, it is a lost ethnic, that should be swallowed by one or two of the bigger ethnics. Because, it has lost its past self-defense skills, diluted throughout the country blending with the rest of the other ethnics, too pacifist and above all does not organize itself. You don't see much political about Gurage, sad to say. So don't try to say anything further about them. I am not interested. Although being pacifist and workaholic is good culture, but that country is full of violent ethnics fond of cyclic violence. The Tigres and Oromos will never stop the cyclic violence, nor will Eritrea become calm. I came to the conclusion, the HoA ethnics perhaps except Kenyans and the Southern nations, the remaining ethnics are very restive perhaps overflow from middle east culture and peace, development, civility probably will never be achieved without the influence of external force(s)-forces aspiring to calm the region for their own interest.

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 15 Mar 2025, 08:23

North Ethiopia is a complete stranger to Gurage's way of life. In all of its material and spiritual culture, Gurage is very close to Oromo.

Examples for closeness of Gurage's material culture to Oromo are staple food of asat(enset), porridge, use of dried cow dung for fire, use of wet cow dung baked with dirt to plaster house walls. Also coffee and Cchat material cultures.

There is also a spiritual connection or commonality between Gurage and Oromo. Waq, described and defined in the same manner both in Gurage and Oromo exists for the fulfillment of the same spiritual, godly purpose to maintain, stabilize, protect and provide for the societies of Gurage and Oromo. The same god oversees the well-being of Gurage and Oromo and punishes those who violate the orders he keeps in place.

Waq is the lord of the Gurage and Oromo. He has been so for most of the histories of these two great nations. Only recently, in the time scale of history under 2000 years, Gurage and Oromo adopted the gods of foreign nations such as Allah of the Arabs and Christ of the Greeks.

Similar identities of Gurage and Oromo forged on the most basic necessities of life: food, shelter and spirituality.

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Odie » 15 Mar 2025, 09:24

Dama wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 08:23
North Ethiopia is a complete stranger to Gurage's way of life. In all of its material and spiritual culture, Gurage is very close to Oromo.

Examples for closeness of Gurage's material culture to Oromo are staple food of asat(enset), porridge, use of dried cow dung for fire, use of wet cow dung baked with dirt to plaster house walls. Also coffee and Cchat material cultures.

There is also a spiritual connection or commonality between Gurage and Oromo. Waq, described and defined in the same manner both in Gurage and Oromo exists for the fulfillment of the same spiritual, godly purpose to maintain, stabilize, protect and provide for the societies of Gurage and Oromo. The same god oversees the well-being of Gurage and Oromo and punishes those who violate the orders he keeps in place.

Waq is the lord of the Gurage and Oromo. He has been so for most of the histories of these two great nations. Only recently, in the time scale of history under 2000 years, Gurage and Oromo adopted the gods of foreign nations such as Allah of the Arabs and Christ of the Greeks.

Similar identities of Gurage and Oromo forged on the most basic necessities of life: food, shelter and spirituality.
ዳማ ከሴ!
I remember when you, horus and me discussed that waqa of Oromo and wak of gurage are unlikely to be the same. Now you are telling me they are the same as new. Wak of gurage is actually a secondary god not primary. The one that created the universe is ጎይታ=ጌታ(with equivalents in Tigrigna too). ዋቅ is a clan based god in gurage. I believe for Oromos waqa is probably a universal god than clan based.Oromos have another word ጎፍታ/ጎፍታኮ not sure if that is meant for god.
About other similarities of Oromo and gurage culture you are talking is a lie-pants on fire! I have seen peoples lives from Amhara region to Oromo and of course gurage, include south. Gurage has its own way of living not much close to Oromo. House building is not same anywhere. Be it size, neatness, the way built parallels no where. Roads, jefore design nothing same. Culture wise Gurage has a lot to swap with Amhara like ethicality and love for peace etc. Otherwise, I am not saying this culture is better than this.All ethiopian people have similarity in culture a bit or more. These are people who lived together for centuries if not millennia. Moreover, Gurage is very close to Addis and intertwined with Addis and now the culture has heavily affected/influenced by in and out movements.
ኦሮሙማ ለመጠመቅ ፈልገህ እንደሆነ መብትህ ነው:: Go do it. They have already owned gurage in part or full with TV on OBN. ሳታመሃኝ ብላኝ ነው:: No need to rationalize to look like them when they are manhandling you!
Or I hate ደረቅ stupid atheist argument with no flexibility!

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 15 Mar 2025, 18:11

Oromo has a lovely and rich material and spirirual culture like Gurage.
Try to read and understand sociologies of Ethiopia. I do not mean relax your unhealthy fixation, su*cker obsession about Amara. They are your roots, after all.
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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Odie » 15 Mar 2025, 18:18

Dama wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:11
Oromo has a lovely and rich material and spirirual culture like Gurage.
Try to read and understand sociologies of Ethiopia. I do not mean relax your unhealthy fixation, [deleted] obsession about Amara. They are your roots, after all.
እንደ ቂጣ ትገላበጣለህ :lol:

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 15 Mar 2025, 18:26

Odie wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:18
Dama wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:11
Oromo has a lovely and rich material and spirirual culture like Gurage.
Try to read and understand sociologies of Ethiopia. I do not mean relax your unhealthy fixation, [deleted] obsession about Amara. They are your roots, after all.
እንደ ቂጣ ትገላበጣለህ :lol:
What else to expect from a thug like you!
:roll:

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Odie » 15 Mar 2025, 18:37

Dama wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:26
Odie wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:18
Dama wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:11
Oromo has a lovely and rich material and spirirual culture like Gurage.
Try to read and understand sociologies of Ethiopia. I do not mean relax your unhealthy fixation, [deleted] obsession about Amara. They are your roots, after all.
እንደ ቂጣ ትገላበጣለህ :lol:
What else to expect from a thug like you!
:roll:
You have been saying many things about Oromo in past posts. Now you want to preach me about the communality of Gurage and Oromo.
You have a problem, seek spiritual help.
Check out with Jesus, he deals persons like you well and in private with no commotions. Ask him to visit you if he is reals.
One way or so, he will face you.

Good bye :mrgreen:

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 15 Mar 2025, 23:02

I don't preach you, brother. A man is his own master under God.
I just speak the truth. Oromo's are the closest to Gurage in spirit and materially. They love what we love and we love what they love. Kocho is delicious to them as it is to us. Waq in the heavens shines our lives and protects us both in Gurage and Oromo. We grow coffee and Cchat and enjoy them as well as use them as cash crops in Gurage and Oromo. We have the longest land borders with Oromo. All Gurages work, run business and live in Oromo, not in Amara or Tigrey.
Let's be objective. Let's be truthfull. Let's be brave. Let's start a new beginning after decades of miseducation and misdirection.
Call a spade a spade even if the sky will fall. If a war breaks out between Ethiopia and TPLF, let Gurage stand with Ethiopia.

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Horus » 16 Mar 2025, 02:55

እኔ በዚህ ጉዳይ ላይ ይህን ሃሳብ የምሰጠው በትልቅ ማመንታት ነው፤ መሰረተ ቢስ ሃስብ ስለሆነ። ነገር ግን አንድ የመረጃ (የፋት) ነጥብ ብቻ ለመጥቀስ (ለማስተካል) ነው ። እንሰት የአማርኛ ቃል ነው። ትክክለኛው የጉራጌኛ ቃል ኧሰት ነው ። በሰባት ቤትና በስልጥኛ እንሰት ይባል ወይም ኧሰት አላውቅም። ኧሰት ክስታኔኛ ነው።

ኧሰት የተጸነሰው በአባይ ወንዝ መነሻ በጮመን ማርሽ ዙሪያ የነበረ የዱር እጽ ነበር። በዚያን ዘመን ከ600 ዓመት በፊት በምን ስም ይጠራ እንደ ነበር የሚታወቅ ታሪክ የለም። ኧስትን ለመጀመሪያ ግዜ ያሰለጠኑት (ዶሜስቲኬት ያደርጉት) ጉራጌዎች ናቸው። ለምሳሌ በግራኝ ወረራ ወቅት ጉራጌዎችም ሆነ ጋፋቶች (የክስታኔ እጅግ ቅርብ ጎሳ) ገበሬና ከብት አርቢ እንጂ ኧሰት ተካዮች አልነበሩም። በ17 ዓመቱ የግራኝ ጦርነት እንሰት በፍጹም አይጠቀስም።

ስለዚህ መታወቅ ያለበት ኧሰት ከጉራጌ ወደ ደቡብ የተራባ እጽ እንጂ ከደቡብ ሰሜን ወደ ጉራጌ የመጣ አይደለም።

ኧሰትን ስም የሰጡት ጉራጌዎች ናቸው ። ኧሰት የሚለው ቃል ኧጽ (እጽ) ማለት ሲሆን የብዝሃ ስሙ ኧጻት (እጻት) ወይም ተክሎች ማለት ነው። ስለዚህ ኧሰት እጻት ነው ። እ(ን)ሰት የሚለው አማርኛ በዘለማድ ነ የተጨመረበት ቃል ነው እንጂ ስረ ቃሉ እስት ነው። ለምሳሌ አድ (አት) ማለት ሲሆን በአማርኛ አ(ን)ድ እንደ ሚባለው ማለት ነው ።

ማ ይንገር የነበረ፣ ማ ይሰይም የፈጠረ ነውና እንሰት የተባለውን እጽ ያሰለጠኑት ናቸው ኧሰት (እጻት) ብለው የሰየሙት ። እጽ ፣ እጻት ፣ እጸዋት እንዲል።

ጉራጌ ቢያንስ ለ600 አመታት ኧሰትን ተክሏል ። የኧሰት ተክል በክስታኔኛ ተጋን ይባላል። ተጋን የሴም ቃል ሲሆን የተክል ጋርደን ማለት ነው ። ከመደበኛ እርሻ የተለየ ማለት ነው። እንደ ጎመንና ቲማቲም አትክልት ያልሆነ ፣ እንደ ገብስና ቦቆሎ ሰብል ያልሆነ ማለት ነው ።

የእንሰት ማሳ ተጋን ይባላል።

እንሰት በፍጥረቱ የጉራጌ ተክል ለመሆኑ ምስክሩ ቆጮና ቡላን የመላ ኢትዮጵያ ብሄራዊ ምግብ ያደረገው ጉራጌ ነው ፤ የደቡብ ሕዝቦች አይደሉም ። የቆጮ ኬክና አይስክሪም የሰራው ጉራጌ ነው ።

ገና ብዙ የኧሰት ኢንዱስትሪዎች ይፈጠራሉ ። ለምሳሌ ዛሬ ከኮባና ቃንጫ የሚሰራው ጂበና አንጮት ወደፊት ዘመናዊ ምንጣፍ ወይም ፐርዢያን ምንጣፍ ሆኖ በቅርብ የፈበረካል!

ወደ ፊት የሚወለዱት ምሁራን ጉራጌ በምን ምክኛት የዱር እጽ የነበረውን ተክል ለማሰልጠን ተነሱ ወይም ተገደዱ የሚለውን ጥያቄ በምርምር ይመልሱታል!

በክስታኔ ጉራጌ እንሰት 'ኧሰት አዮ' ትባላለች ፤እንሰት እናት ናት ማለት ነው ። ኧሰት ያን ያክል ታላቅ ቦታ ነው ያላት!

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Odie » 16 Mar 2025, 04:07

ኧስት ያው ነው:: ስባት ቤት እነሞር ኧስት=ኧስድ ነው::
ስለአመጣጡ የጨመርከው ማብራሪያ በጣም ጥሩ ነው!!
የኧስት ማሳ ጉዋሮ ስለሚተከል ነው መስለኝ እነሞር ጀጋር ነው የሚለው:: ከ ተጋር ጋር ተቀራረበብኝ:: ስውየው ኦሮሞና ጉራጌ ቆጮ ይመሳሰላል ያለው የ ቆጮ ፖለቲካ ቅራቅምቦ ውስጥ አልገባም:: በግሌ 7 ቤት የማውቀው ከኦሮሞ ባህል ጋር ተመሳሳይነት ምንም የለውም:: የተላያዩ የኦሮሞ ጎሳዎች አኗኗር እንኳን አትይመሳሰልም:: ምክንያት ይኖራቸዋል:: እርሱ እዚህ ላይ እንዝጋው::
በነገራችን ላይ እኖር ቆጮ አይልም:: ይህ ቃል ምንጩ የት እንደሆነና አማርኛ ውስጥ እንዴት እንደገባ አላውቅም:: እኖር ቆጮን "ውሳ" ነው የሚለው:: ቡላ ራሱ ቡላ አይባልም:: ከአጥሚት የሚቀራረብ ቃል ነው የሚጠቀሙት:: እኖር "አሚኢድ"/"አቪኢድ" ነው የሚለው:: እኖር "ቨ" መጠቀም የሚወድ ይመስለኛል::
አሁን የገባኝና የተረዳሁት ነገር የጉራጌ ቃሎች ancient የሆነ independent origin ያላቸው መሆኑን ሲሆን ይህ ህዝብ ከየትኛው ስፍራና larger source የተመዘዘ ነው የሚለው የጥናት ጥያቄ ያጭራል:: ብዙ የተማሩ ጉራጌዎች እያሉ ስለ ጉራጌ ታሪክና አመጣጥ የተፃፈው በፈረንጅና ጥቂት ስለሆነ አሳፈፋሪ ነው::
ቸር ሁን!

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 16 Mar 2025, 08:37

Another imporrant common feature of Gurage and Oromo culture is bride kidnapping. Of course it is an undesirable culture because it s, both cultures discouraged it and the act is always frowned upon.

Mr.Odie, sometimes, when truth confronts you before your eyes, that truth should help you overcome
hate and prejudice. Just my 5 cents!

Have you noticed the starkly visible behavior of this Horus? When we talk about Gurage, he talks about his clan. He wants to substitute Sodo for Gurage. It's similar to Silte excessive obsession about particularities that they reasoned made them incompatible to live with and be considered Gurage.

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Horus » 16 Mar 2025, 11:30

ኦዴ፣
እኔ ወደ ኋላ ነገር ማንሳት አልሻም፤ አንድ ነገር ግን አስረግጬ መናገር እችላለሁ። የጉራጌ ሕዝብ በአንድ የታሪክ ወቅት አንድ ቋንቋ ተናጋሪ አብረው የነበሩ ሕዝብ ናቸው። የዳያሌክት ዘይቤ መለያየት የመጣው በእኔ ግምት በጋላ ወረራ ሳቢያ ሜዳማ ከነበሩት አገሮች ተነቅሎ ራሱን ለመከላከል ተራራማ ቦታዎች ላይ ሲሰፍርና በተራራዎችና ወንዞች ተከፋፍሎ ተለያይቶ መኖር ከጀመረበት 1560ቹ ጀምሮ ነው።

ስለዚህ ከዚህ ቀደም እንዳልኩት የሰባት ቤትም ሆነ የክስታኔም ሆነ የስልጤ ግንዱ አንድ ነው ። እናም እንዳልከው ተጋንና ጀጋር አንድ ቃል ናቸው ። ጉራጌ ቆጮ አይልም ፤ ቃሉ አማርኛ ይሁን ጋልኛ አላውቅም። እኛ ኧኩሳ እንለዋለን አንተ ውሳ ያልከው ጋር አንድ ቃል ነው ። የኧኩሳ ቂጣ ፣ ቂጣ ፣ ዳቦ ፣ ምግብ አይባልም። ምግብ ጉንስ ይባላል። እኛ ዳቤ የምንለው ትልቁ የስንዴና ገብስ ዳቦን ነው። ቂጣ የምንለው የጤፍ ቂጣ ነው። በአማርኛ እንጀራ የሚባለው የጤፍ እንጀራ ከስታኔ ጣቤታ እንለዋለን። ኧኩሳ ያለ ቅጠል እንደ ቂጣ ሲጋገር ጉንስ ስንለው በቅጠል የሚጋገረው ለስላሳው አልበበጫት ይባላል። ልክ እንዳልከው ጉራጌ ቡላ አይልም፤ ቡላ ኦሮምኛ ይመስላል። ዛሬ በመላ ኢትዮጵያ ቡላ የሚባለው እኛ አጥሚት ወይም አጥሚጥ እንለዋለን cream of Eset ማለት ነው። ሌላው የኧሰት ስር ነው ። ብዙ ሰው የእሰት ስር አሚቾ ይለዋል። ይህ ፍጹም ስህተት ነው፤ አሚቾ ጉራጌኛ ሳይሆን ኦሮሞኛ ነው። የኧሰት ስር ኧውታ ይባላል። የሚፋቀው ኮባ ቀስላ ይባላል። የኧሰት ቅጠል ጀርባ አጥንት ትምቦሽላ ይባላል። ቅጠሉን አስወግደን እንደ ጠመንጃ የምንጫወትበት ማለት ነው ።

ብቻ ለማለት የፈለኩት በዘመኑ ፖለቲካ ሆያ ሆዬ ሳቢያ ሁሉም ያሻውን ይበል ግን ጉራጌ አንድ ቋንቋ ተናጋሪ አንድ ጎሳ ፣ አንድ ሕዝብ ነው ።

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Horus » 16 Mar 2025, 11:48

ትላንት የተከበረው ምድረ ከብድ አቦ! ከብድ በክስታኔኛ ክቡር ማለት ነው! በዚህ ዘመን ፖለቲካ ተረብሾ ነው እንጂ እዚህ ንግስ ላይ እስከ 1 ሚሊዮን ሰው ይገኛል !


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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Abere » 16 Mar 2025, 12:16

Dama,

___ You said marriage by elopement or abduction is endemic to Oromo and Gurage. Wow, you are making such a bold statement to court DDT (Orommuma) :lol: Although abduction (sometimes under clandestine agreement of the abductor and the abductee, often when the woman's family rejects the proposal) in its mildest form exists in almost many traditional societies ( given marriage requires a consensus of the woman's family). I do not expect the scale to be as large and the violence mode common in the Gurage. The Gurages most Ethiopians know do not be have as instinctive and reckless to form family in such a manner. Gurages are wise in business and wife formation. Which part or segment of Gurage society is engaged in such pervasive harmful partice? How many wives on average has a Gurage? Is polygamy (keeping as many wives as possible) under one roof a tradition. We know polygamy is common among low-land Muslim Oromo, there are Oromo men having 40 0r 30 kids from 6 or 7 wives.

___ If coercion or abduction is a shared culture between Oromo and Gurage, does cutting off another Gurage Pen.is for a dowry gift a practice, which used to be practiced among Oromo of Guji and Arusi? So far have not seen any Gurage carrying the pen*s structure on his forehead. Have you ever carried the pen*s structure over your head using the beefjerky treasure of your daddy?
____ Is Enset or False Banana an endemic plant to Oromo and Gurage only? As far as I know it is almost an everywhere plant and vastly used as food among Wolayta, Kmbatat and even if I am correct, in other African tribes. False Banana is common in areas where population density is high. It is a food choice to cope with food insecurity arising from smaller farmland holdings. I would rather think those Oromo who opted for Enset at some point were either Gurage (before assimilation to Oromo), but now use Enset for food, Oromigna for their language. Other than that Oromo traditionally were pastoralists along the rift valley.

__ Enset now is a favorite food of many Ethiopians. It is delicious with Qittifo.


Dama wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 08:37
Another imporrant common feature of Gurage and Oromo culture is bride kidnapping. Of course it is an undesirable culture because it s, both cultures discouraged it and the act is always frowned upon.

Mr.Odie, sometimes, when truth confronts you before your eyes, that truth should help you overcome
hate and prejudice. Just my 5 cents!

Have you noticed the starkly visible behavior of this Horus? When we talk about Gurage, he talks about his clan. He wants to substitute Sodo for Gurage. It's similar to Silte excessive obsession about particularities that they reasoned made them incompatible to live with and be considered Gurage.

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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Dama » 16 Mar 2025, 12:57

Abere, you are wrong. My post is not to befriend DDT, the Mecha-Tulema Shewa, a neighbor just a shout away from my village.
My lecture is all about existing sociologies of Gurage and Oromo. Very empirical statements that you would learn in any sophomore sociology class. Bare facts about two communities, intermarried spouses, traded goods but prayed to the same god in different languages. A neglected resource of common cultures if utilized for a common purpose, it will build trust, peace and properity.

You are absolutely right that before kidnapping, there exists rejection or indecision by the family of the bride to wed her to the groom. She may or may not consent to the kidnapping. Most definitely both have had quite a bit of interaction or even affection to one anorher. Bride kidnapping in Gurage is rather a rare occurence as well ss in Oromo. As it should be.
Polygammy is also not a defining feature of a traditional Gurage society but it exists. It exists among Muslims and Christians. One situation is when a farmer has two farm lands in different locations, therefore marries two wives.

Asat is a proven drought-resistant plant north Ethiopia should adopt as it suffers rain shortages frequently. It exists in Amara as a wild plant. I am not sure about its existence in Tigrey. It also grows in Southeast Asia.

High population denisity in southwest Ethiopia is rather due to Amara and Oromo migration to that region and squeezing out native populations to smaller and smaller lands. It's has nothing to do with drought resitant feature of asat.
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Re: Enset bonds Gurage with Oromo

Post by Odie » 16 Mar 2025, 13:23

Abere wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 12:16
Dama,

___ You said marriage by elopement or abduction is endemic to Oromo and Gurage. Wow, you are making such a bold statement to court DDT (Orommuma) :lol: Although abduction (sometimes under clandestine agreement of the abductor and the abductee, often when the woman's family rejects the proposal) in its mildest form exists in almost many traditional societies ( given marriage requires a consensus of the woman's family). I do not expect the scale to be as large and the violence mode common in the Gurage. The Gurages most Ethiopians know do not be have as instinctive and reckless to form family in such a manner. Gurages are wise in business and wife formation. Which part or segment of Gurage society is engaged in such pervasive harmful partice? How many wives on average has a Gurage? Is polygamy (keeping as many wives as possible) under one roof a tradition. We know polygamy is common among low-land Muslim Oromo, there are Oromo men having 40 0r 30 kids from 6 or 7 wives.

___ If coercion or abduction is a shared culture between Oromo and Gurage, does cutting off another Gurage Pen.is for a dowry gift a practice, which used to be practiced among Oromo of Guji and Arusi? So far have not seen any Gurage carrying the pen*s structure on his forehead. Have you ever carried the pen*s structure over your head using the beefjerky treasure of your daddy?
____ Is Enset or False Banana an endemic plant to Oromo and Gurage only? As far as I know it is almost an everywhere plant and vastly used as food among Wolayta, Kmbatat and even if I am correct, in other African tribes. False Banana is common in areas where population density is high. It is a food choice to cope with food insecurity arising from smaller farmland holdings. I would rather think those Oromo who opted for Enset at some point were either Gurage (before assimilation to Oromo), but now use Enset for food, Oromigna for their language. Other than that Oromo traditionally were pastoralists along the rift valley.

__ Enset now is a favorite food of many Ethiopians. It is delicious with Qittifo.


Dama wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 08:37
Another imporrant common feature of Gurage and Oromo culture is bride kidnapping. Of course it is an undesirable culture because it s, both cultures discouraged it and the act is always frowned upon.

Mr.Odie, sometimes, when truth confronts you before your eyes, that truth should help you overcome
hate and prejudice. Just my 5 cents!

Have you noticed the starkly visible behavior of this Horus? When we talk about Gurage, he talks about his clan. He wants to substitute Sodo for Gurage. It's similar to Silte excessive obsession about particularities that they reasoned made them incompatible to live with and be considered Gurage.
Abere
What you wrote is right!
He is going to come and debate you in fruitless discussion which is the nature of atheists. He is a flipflopper and am deliberately ignoring him. Now if you show him your support, he will come and argue you on the other side you left. Such a pathetic soul!

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