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Can Isayas and Abiyot Ahmed face ICC one day?
Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 11:00
by Odie
Philippines is not signatory to ICC at Hague. Duterte was known to kill citizens suspected of drug related crime without legal proceedings. It looks now arrested for dispatch to ICC!
The drone crime should be enough to hold abiyot accountable!
Isayas may not last for that long but he may face ICC of afterlife

Yes there is one!
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025 ... cc-warrant
Re: Can Isayas and Abiyot Ahmed face ICC one day?
Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 11:14
by Dama
Odie wrote: ↑11 Mar 2025, 11:00
Philippines is not signatory to ICC at Hague.
Duterte was known to kill citizens suspected of drug related crime without legal proceedings. It looks now arrested for dispatch to ICC!
The drone crime should be enough to hold abiyot accountable!
Isayas may not last for that long but he may face ICC of afterlife

Yes there is one!
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025 ... cc-warrant
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You do notbknow enough. Have some restraint for truth.
Re: Can Isayas and Abiyot Ahmed face ICC one day?
Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 11:20
by Odie
Why don’t you tell us what you know?
We know, we witnessed their crimes live. What other stuff do we need to know?
Even better, they should eat each other to save ICC the burden!
I know the ex-sudanese leader managed to outsmart ICC!
Re: Can Isayas and Abiyot Ahmed face ICC one day?
Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 12:05
by Dama
The instruction he gave was that drug suspects should not fight police when they investigate and arrest them. He said he instructed police to defend themselves if suspects shoot back. Some innocents die but unavoidable.
ICC operates when a country asksit investigation. Why Phlipine government prefer ICC to prosecute Duterte instead of itself arresting it? I think the government did not want to prosecute him because of fear of philipine public that supported Duterte on his war on on drug deales. It's polutical revenge.
Re: Can Isayas and Abiyot Ahmed face ICC one day?
Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 12:15
by Odie
Dama wrote: ↑11 Mar 2025, 12:05
The instruction he gave was that drug suspects should not fight police when they investigate and arrest them. He said he instructed police to defend themselves if suspects shoot back. Some innocents die but unavoidable.
ICC operates when a country asksit investigation. Why Phlipine government prefer ICC to prosecute Duterte instead of itself arresting it? I think the government did not want to prosecute him because of fear of philipine public that supported Duterte on his war on on drug deales. It's polutical revenge.
Philippines withdrew from ICC when Duterte was in power. Currently not signatory to ICC too. I, in the past, followed what he was doing "to weed out drug related crime and other things". It was scary thing. Many people died without court rule partly as you said under the cover of police to defend itself, but people were crying it went beyond that. I think right groups filed ICC complaint. But he was not handed over to ICC initially. ICC was investigating him with some interruption later.
Lately there was political fallout between the incumbent president (a Markos), and the daughter of Duterte who was, I think, a vice president. I am not sure if that motivated his handover now. He was a bit rough kind of president in relation to handling criminals. It was all over in the news that time.
Re: Can Isayas and Abiyot Ahmed face ICC one day?
Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 12:30
by Dama
Duterte had not the intent to kill people or even the drug dealers unless they fougt back. His intention was to arrest suspects and bring them to trial. Insecuriry was rife all over the country as the case is where drug cartels dominate society. The public demanded security to go to work, market or for children to play. He had to act within the law for police to defend themselves. In the process innocents may have died but that's was not the intent.
ICC is a states collection. I think only states can request investigation of war cromes, genocides, etc. I am not sure about NGOs.
Re: Can Isayas and Abiyot Ahmed face ICC one day?
Posted: 11 Mar 2025, 12:54
by Odie
Dama wrote: ↑11 Mar 2025, 12:30
Duterte had not the intent to kill people or even the drug dealers unless they fougt back. His intention was to arrest suspects and bring them to trial. Insecuriry was rife all over the country as the case is where drug cartels dominate society. The public demanded security to go to work, market or for children to play. He had to act within the law for police to defend themselves. In the process innocents may have died but that's was not the intent.
ICC is a states collection. I think only states can request investigation of war cromes, genocides, etc. I am not sure about NGOs.
You rather look to defend him. There was a lot of complaint in the news on his execution of dealing with so called criminals that time. There was concern for indiscriminate execution and right abuse. I am not saying it was true or not. I just posted the news link on Al Jazeera stating he might have now been arrested on a return form Hong Kong.
I understand your explanation how ICC will start investigation (how formal referral is done). You could see in the news who started the ICC investigation in Al Jazeera news.
I also checked and found the following too:
Can human right groups report crimes against humanity to ICC?
"Yes, human rights organizations can encourage individuals, groups, and states to report alleged crimes to the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC's mandate is to investigate and prosecute genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.
How human rights organizations can help the ICC
Report alleged crimes: Encourage individuals, groups, and states to report alleged crimes to the ICC
Document human rights violations: Document international crimes and human rights violations
Advocate for the ICC: Advocate for the ICC's role in preventing impunity for serious crimes "