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Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisis.

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 09 Jan 2025, 16:05

" The political dynamic undergirded by hard reality left the realist Jawar no room but to acknowledge the problem is not with poor implementation of the constitution. The constitution is inherently flawed.

he stated: Tribal politics may be good to mobilize and organize dissent, but it is unsuitable for democratic governance. In geek talk this means: Tribalism is primitive and degenerative and leads to a Hobbesian state of chaos and anarchy. :mrgreen: In his interview with Moges he stressed the constitution that amplified tribal identity politics is the problem.

Professor Mohammed Hassan says about the savagery committed by Oromo Mogassa warriors during the Oromo era of nation building that Oromo built its kingdom within the Ethiopian framework out of the debris of a demolished Christian kingdom of Amhara through “terror” and “slavery.” The Gedaa driven Oromo assimilation process included forcing defeated tribes to abandon their culture, language and tradition. Even worse, they held them as serfs and slaves. Gedaa’s invasion of other tribal lands and slave systems was “inspired by political, military, and economic considerations.” During the Mogassa era, Oromos became “noblemen, rich in cattle and slaves,” the professor confessed

. This reminds me of the current day willfully enslaved and newly minted Orommuma adherents in this forum :lol: :lol: Corridor :lol: :mrgreen: I am not calling you out

This is what is coming :
"Most of the conquered people who had earlier submitted with little or no resistance, found that they were no longer equal members of a clan within which they were incorporated, but slaves who were used as gifts and commodities for sale… Enslaving the vanquished people was an economic as well as military necessity…

https://borkena.com/2025/01/06/ethiopia ... mo-elites/

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Right » 09 Jan 2025, 16:34

Do not trust Jawar. It is a strategy to buy an ally and distract Fano.

It is obvious tribalism is a dead end. Jawar and his Oromuma team knew that it is a toxic ideology that will destroy society. But they used it to manipulate and brainwashe the gullible into a governance trap.

Jawar is hollering now because he was kicked out of the fest. The CORRIDOR guys of team BERHANU Nega took his place in the PP power orbit.

Ethiopians should recognize the fact that tribalism has to go by what ever means possible.
Regroup and claim their country from Abiye Ahmed Ali & BERHANU Nega, organize a new constitution and a transitional government by all means possible. Period.

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Sadacha Macca » 09 Jan 2025, 16:38

Ah yes and the Amara led conquests that led to slavery, serfdom, mutilation, burning, etc was the best. Such a great time. Tewodros, menelik and yohannes the agame did all that and more. But its okay since you like them, right? Right!
Not to mention that the previous systems that you'd say wasn't "tribal" led Ethiopia to being the underdeveloped poverty stricken place it is. It did not start with abiys regime nor with the "tribal" system of governance.


No nation is free of criminals, expansionist, etc just like they have victimized members too. When you focus on one side and ignore others, then prepare for others to do the same. Oromos can say we conquered without begging the Whiteman to help us colonize other africans and exploit then. The northern elite, which includes some Oromo (primary beneficiaries were Amara who settled their poor in the south to eat off the oromo and southern farmers).

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 09 Jan 2025, 16:49

Sadacha Macca wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:38
Ah yes and the Amara led conquests that led to slavery, serfdom, mutilation, burning, etc was the best. Such a great time. Tewodros, menelik and yohannes the agame did all that and more. But its okay since you like them, right? Right!
Not to mention that the previous systems that you'd say wasn't "tribal" led Ethiopia to being the underdeveloped poverty stricken place it is. It did not start with abiys regime nor with the "tribal" system of governance.


No nation is free of criminals, expansionist, etc just like they have victimized members too. When you focus on one side and ignore others, then prepare for others to do the same. Oromos can say we conquered without begging the Whiteman to help us colonize other africans and exploit then. The northern elite, which includes some Oromo (primary beneficiaries were Amara who settled their poor in the south to eat off the oromo and southern farmers).
I only brought to light what the ardent Orommuma adherent, Prof. Mohammed Hassan said... :roll:

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Abdisa » 09 Jan 2025, 17:18

All of our past and present leaders are guilty of serving external powers' agendas at the expense of national unity, because they all felt national unity can be easily achieved using exaggerated rumors of impending danger to instill fear in the population and create a boogeyman in their conscience.

This method might have served well for leaders during the feudal era, but in the new era of technology where access to information is unprecedented and readily available at our fingertips, the method has proven to be very difficult for the current leaders to exploit, forcing them to cling to their ethnic identities whenever they feel their power is threatened, thus forging national unity takes a backseat to ethnic affiliations that negatively affects the nation's well being, and even threatens its existence.

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Naga Tuma » 09 Jan 2025, 17:48

Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:05
" The political dynamic undergirded by hard reality left the realist Jawar no room but to acknowledge the problem is not with poor implementation of the constitution. The constitution is inherently flawed.

he stated: Tribal politics may be good to mobilize and organize dissent, but it is unsuitable for democratic governance. In geek talk this means: Tribalism is primitive and degenerative and leads to a Hobbesian state of chaos and anarchy. :mrgreen: In his interview with Moges he stressed the constitution that amplified tribal identity politics is the problem.

Professor Mohammed Hassan says about the savagery committed by Oromo Mogassa warriors during the Oromo era of nation building that Oromo built its kingdom within the Ethiopian framework out of the debris of a demolished Christian kingdom of Amhara through “terror” and “slavery.” The Gedaa driven Oromo assimilation process included forcing defeated tribes to abandon their culture, language and tradition. Even worse, they held them as serfs and slaves. Gedaa’s invasion of other tribal lands and slave systems was “inspired by political, military, and economic considerations.” During the Mogassa era, Oromos became “noblemen, rich in cattle and slaves,” the professor confessed

. This reminds me of the current day willfully enslaved and newly minted Orommuma adherents in this forum :lol: :lol: Corridor :lol: :mrgreen: I am not calling you out

This is what is coming :
"Most of the conquered people who had earlier submitted with little or no resistance, found that they were no longer equal members of a clan within which they were incorporated, but slaves who were used as gifts and commodities for sale… Enslaving the vanquished people was an economic as well as military necessity…

https://borkena.com/2025/01/06/ethiopia ... mo-elites/
The constitution was done as expediently as his graduation from a university and claiming shortly after that he came up with a calculator that “solved” Ethiopia’s complex political problems of several centuries now. He may no longer blurt that over educated is a valid criticism.

Was it Einstein who said experience is the best teacher?

Two or many wrongs do not make a single right.

Was there an ethnic group called Amhara or Oromo when Yekuno Amlak rose in Shawa? Don’t the Borana call themselves Borana to this day? Who were in Yekuno Amlak’s army that started to speak Amharic?

የወደፊት ኢትዮጵያ ዉስጥ ስህተት መናገር ወይም መፃፍ ነዉር ይሁን። አመን እመን አሙን አሜን።
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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Dama » 09 Jan 2025, 18:02

Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:49
Sadacha Macca wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:38
Ah yes and the Amara led conquests that led to slavery, serfdom, mutilation, burning, etc was the best. Such a great time. Tewodros, menelik and yohannes the agame did all that and more. But its okay since you like them, right? Right!
Not to mention that the previous systems that you'd say wasn't "tribal" led Ethiopia to being the underdeveloped poverty stricken place it is. It did not start with abiys regime nor with the "tribal" system of governance.


No nation is free of criminals, expansionist, etc just like they have victimized members too. When you focus on one side and ignore others, then prepare for others to do the same. Oromos can say we conquered without begging the Whiteman to help us colonize other africans and exploit then. The northern elite, which includes some Oromo (primary beneficiaries were Amara who settled their poor in the south to eat off the oromo and southern farmers).
I only brought to light what the ardent Orommuma adherent, Prof. Mohammed Hassan said... :roll:
You did not wrong. You did not have to appologize to this unapologic savage colonizer.

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Naga Tuma » 09 Jan 2025, 18:09

Abdisa wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 17:18
All of our past and present leaders are guilty of serving external powers' agendas at the expense of national unity, because they all felt national unity can be easily achieved using exaggerated rumors of impending danger to instill fear in the population and create a boogeyman in their conscience.
Is it possible that they trusted the vices of external powers, unsuspecting of the agenda of the powers, and felt determined to solve internal political problems in good faith?

If yes, they must have been dealing with one variable as a function of time when the problem was of two variables as a function of time.

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 09 Jan 2025, 18:34

Sadacha Macca wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:38
Ah yes and the Amara led conquests that led to slavery, serfdom, mutilation, burning, etc was the best. Such a great time. Tewodros, menelik and yohannes the agame did all that and more. But its okay since you like them, right? Right!
Not to mention that the previous systems that you'd say wasn't "tribal" led Ethiopia to being the underdeveloped poverty stricken place it is. It did not start with abiys regime nor with the "tribal" system of governance.


No nation is free of criminals, expansionist, etc just like they have victimized members too. When you focus on one side and ignore others, then prepare for others to do the same. Oromos can say we conquered without begging the Whiteman to help us colonize other africans and exploit then. The northern elite, which includes some Oromo (primary beneficiaries were Amara who settled their poor in the south to eat off the oromo and southern farmers).
Here is some excerpt from the article;

The “ጡታችንን ሲቆርጡ” refers to the false claim that Emperor Menelik brutalized women going as far as cutting their breast to terrorize the Oromo and force them into subjugation. The first time the story of breast mutilation was ever written was in 1999 in a book titled “የቡርቃ ዝምታ – የታሪካዊ ልብ ወለድ ድርሰት” (The Silence of Burqa: A Fictional History Essay.” It was written by a Tesfaye Gebreab, an Eritrean national and an ardent supporter of the Tigrayan People’s Liberation Front (TPLF).

There is a palpable tension between the unstoppable force of the nation’s political dynamic that have rendered Oromummaa lifeless and the immovable dogma in Oromo tribal elites who are stuck neck-deep in the Oromummaa sludge. In my view, Jawar’s problem is his desire to reconcile the dead and the living, rather than burying the dead and working with the living. The question is why?

There are two possible explanations. The first possible explanation is that he may be among those who are still seduced by the Oromummaa theology. This may explain his clinging to, at least partially, to the decomposing Oromummaa body politics. In this regard, his objective may be seeking a soft-landing spot for Oromummaa until he figures out how much of its vital organs he can salvage with a recrafted theodicy.

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Noble Amhara » 09 Jan 2025, 18:37

Amhara is mentioned in 1127 in Shoa during a conflict with the Werje tribe somewhere near Sendafa - Aleltu area

Amhara is classified as Christian and Werje as Muslim

Yekuno Amlak rose to power in 1270 by then Amharic was already native to the north Shewa zone area

Naga Tuma wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 17:48
Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:05
" The political dynamic undergirded by hard reality left the realist Jawar no room but to acknowledge the problem is not with poor implementation of the constitution. The constitution is inherently flawed.

he stated: Tribal politics may be good to mobilize and organize dissent, but it is unsuitable for democratic governance. In geek talk this means: Tribalism is primitive and degenerative and leads to a Hobbesian state of chaos and anarchy. :mrgreen: In his interview with Moges he stressed the constitution that amplified tribal identity politics is the problem.

Professor Mohammed Hassan says about the savagery committed by Oromo Mogassa warriors during the Oromo era of nation building that Oromo built its kingdom within the Ethiopian framework out of the debris of a demolished Christian kingdom of Amhara through “terror” and “slavery.” The Gedaa driven Oromo assimilation process included forcing defeated tribes to abandon their culture, language and tradition. Even worse, they held them as serfs and slaves. Gedaa’s invasion of other tribal lands and slave systems was “inspired by political, military, and economic considerations.” During the Mogassa era, Oromos became “noblemen, rich in cattle and slaves,” the professor confessed

. This reminds me of the current day willfully enslaved and newly minted Orommuma adherents in this forum :lol: :lol: Corridor :lol: :mrgreen: I am not calling you out

This is what is coming :
"Most of the conquered people who had earlier submitted with little or no resistance, found that they were no longer equal members of a clan within which they were incorporated, but slaves who were used as gifts and commodities for sale… Enslaving the vanquished people was an economic as well as military necessity…

https://borkena.com/2025/01/06/ethiopia ... mo-elites/
The constitution was done as expediently as his graduation from a university and claiming shortly after that he came up with a calculator that “solved” Ethiopia’s complex political problems of several centuries now. He may no longer blurt that over educated is a realistic criticism.

Was it Einstein who said experience is the best teacher?

Two or many wrongs do not make a single right.

Was there an ethnic group called Amhara or Oromo when Yekuno Amlak rose in Shawa? Don’t the Borana call themselves Borana to this day? Who were in Yekuno Amlak’s army that started to speak Amharic?

የወደፊት ኢትዮጵያ ዉስጥ ስህተት መናገር ወይም መፃፍ ነዉር ይሁን። አመን እመን አሙን አሜን።

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 09 Jan 2025, 18:45

Arsi-Oromos in the Arba-Gugu region35 speak the truth in that before the coming of their group, the country had been occupied by Amharic-speaking Orgobba (Argobba) who can be credited with stone-built tumuli, clay fragments, and other archaeological legacies in this area. The neighbouring Karrayyuu occasionally mention the Harala and also the Argobba builders of the dilapidated terrace system and stone ruins at Mätähara (Matahaaraa) at the middle Awash River and compare these previously settled groups with the Hadiyya who were the original population in the Arsi area.

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Odie » 09 Jan 2025, 19:14

Sadacha Macca wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:38
Ah yes and the Amara led conquests that led to slavery, serfdom, mutilation, burning, etc was the best. Such a great time. Tewodros, menelik and yohannes the agame did all that and more. But its okay since you like them, right? Right!
Not to mention that the previous systems that you'd say wasn't "tribal" led Ethiopia to being the underdeveloped poverty stricken place it is. It did not start with abiys regime nor with the "tribal" system of governance.


No nation is free of criminals, expansionist, etc just like they have victimized members too. When you focus on one side and ignore others, then prepare for others to do the same. Oromos can say we conquered without begging the Whiteman to help us colonize other africans and exploit then. The northern elite, which includes some Oromo (primary beneficiaries were Amara who settled their poor in the south to eat off the oromo and southern farmers).
የናንትና የትግሬ ችግር እኮ እድሜ ልካችሁ ማልቀስ victimhood ተጠቅማችሁ miserable መሆን ና ስላም መንሳት ነው:: ኦሮሞ መች ከደሙ ነፃ? ምን ያልስራው አለ? በ16 ክፍለዝመን የስራውን ወንጀል አሁን ደግሞ የአንገር አንጡራ ሃብት ባንክ ታንክ ይዞ አገር እመራለሁ ብሎ ደግሞ እየፈፀመው ነው:: እንደውም በባስ ሁኔታ:: ኦሮሞዎች ቄሮን እንደ ጦርስራዊት ተጠቅመው አገር እያፈረሱ ስው በተኛበት እያረዱ ነብስ ጡር እየተለተሉ በድሮን ቤተክርስትያንና ምእመኗን እያቃጠሉ በእገታ ስው እየዘርፉ እያስሩ እየዘረፉ ኦሮሞ አሁንም አልተጠቀመም ትለናለህ:: መቸ ነው ተጠቀሙ የምትለው? ዘር አጥፍተው ሌላውን ዘር ጉድፌቻ ከተው የወረሱት መሬት resource and population እንበጣለን ትላለህ:: በ16 ክፍለ ዘመን የተስፋፋህበትን ረስተኸው:: ያውም ሁለመናህ ኦሮሞ ብትሆን መልካም 50% ስልጤ ሆነህ ከኦሮሞ በላይ ትቆረቆራለህ:: More catholic than the pope ማለት ይሄ ነው:: አሁን ለቅሶአችሁም ማጭበርበርያችሁም ተበልቷል::
ምንሊክ ምንሊክ ትላለህ! ምንሊክ ብቻው ምን አረገ? ጉራጌን የወጋ ከምንሊክ ጋር አብሮ የነበረ ያንተው ጎበና ዳጬ ነው ብልት ሲቆርጥ የነበረ::
ኢትዮዽያ ስትመስረት አማራ ብቻውን የነበረ ይመስል ምንሊክ ምንሊክ ትላላችሁ:: ምንሊክ የሚያስጠላ ስይጣን የለከፋችሁ ይመስል:: ሁሉም ዘር በፈቃዱ አገር በመመስረት ተባብሯል:: ከሁሉም ዘር ነፍጠኛና ፊውዳል አስገባሪ ነበረ:: በአንድ ደሃ አማራ ገበሬና ኦሮሞ ገበሬ ወይም ሌላው ዛሬም ሆነ ባለፉት ነገስታት ጊዜ ልዩነት አለነበረም:: ኢትዮዽያ ውስጥ ድሃ ድሃ ነው:: የኦነግና ወያኔ ጭንጋፎች መርጠው ማልቀስ ስለሚወዱና ለፖለቲካ ጥቅማቸው ህዝብን ለማታለል የሚጠቀሙት ተንኮል ነው!!
It is 21st century, buckle up. You are not going any where. Stop crying and work with other Ethiopians, if you can, for everybody’s good. If you are not happy with that, go and participate in the OLF forum!
You can’t have all the cake and eat it alone!
No more!

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Sadacha Macca » 09 Jan 2025, 19:27

Tigrayan sister odie aka dama, first stop pretending to be gurage. Secondly, not everyone speaks amharic; so express yourself in English.



Za ilmaknun,
Yes we expanded, conquered and assimilated others and the same was done to us. The amara did the same. Many sources say the habasha and ag'azi tribes of southern Yemen migrated to the Horn of Africa in the before christ era, conquered the africans they found there already, mingled with them and produced a new, hybrid race/ethnic groups.

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Odie » 09 Jan 2025, 19:34

Sadacha Macca wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 19:27
Tigrayan sister odie aka dama, first stop pretending to be gurage. Secondly, not everyone speaks amharic; so express yourself in English.



Za ilmaknun,
Yes we expanded, conquered and assimilated others and the same was done to us. The amara did the same. Many sources say the habasha and ag'azi tribes of southern Yemen migrated to the Horn of Africa in the before christ era, conquered the africans they found there already, mingled with them and produced a new, hybrid race/ethnic groups.
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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Naga Tuma » 10 Jan 2025, 01:21

I have read somewhere that in Wollo, Amhara means Christian, which is consistent with what you write here. It is suggestive of a religious identity, including the relatives of Abay Babo that accepted it.

I have heard the following from a Tigrigna speaking elderly man: ከትግሬ ያልተወለደ አማራ አማራ አይዴለም።

Yekuno Amlak restored the Solomonic Dynasty, or more appropriately a Christian Dynasty, in 1270. The Solomonic Dynasty accepted Christianity in the 4th century in Aksum and fell in the 10th century.

It took more than three centuries to restore the Christian Dynasty.

So, is it not plausible that a Christian identity popped up in Shawa in 1127, assuming what you write here is correct?

What language did the Werje speak, or to which language was their language the closest?

Did I hear or read somewhere that Jawar has some Werje identity?

Noble Amhara wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 18:37
Amhara is mentioned in 1127 in Shoa during a conflict with the Werje tribe somewhere near Sendafa - Aleltu area

Amhara is classified as Christian and Werje as Muslim

Yekuno Amlak rose to power in 1270 by then Amharic was already native to the north Shewa zone area

Naga Tuma wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 17:48
Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:05
" The political dynamic undergirded by hard reality left the realist Jawar no room but to acknowledge the problem is not with poor implementation of the constitution. The constitution is inherently flawed.

he stated: Tribal politics may be good to mobilize and organize dissent, but it is unsuitable for democratic governance. In geek talk this means: Tribalism is primitive and degenerative and leads to a Hobbesian state of chaos and anarchy. :mrgreen: In his interview with Moges he stressed the constitution that amplified tribal identity politics is the problem.

Professor Mohammed Hassan says about the savagery committed by Oromo Mogassa warriors during the Oromo era of nation building that Oromo built its kingdom within the Ethiopian framework out of the debris of a demolished Christian kingdom of Amhara through “terror” and “slavery.” The Gedaa driven Oromo assimilation process included forcing defeated tribes to abandon their culture, language and tradition. Even worse, they held them as serfs and slaves. Gedaa’s invasion of other tribal lands and slave systems was “inspired by political, military, and economic considerations.” During the Mogassa era, Oromos became “noblemen, rich in cattle and slaves,” the professor confessed

. This reminds me of the current day willfully enslaved and newly minted Orommuma adherents in this forum :lol: :lol: Corridor :lol: :mrgreen: I am not calling you out

This is what is coming :
"Most of the conquered people who had earlier submitted with little or no resistance, found that they were no longer equal members of a clan within which they were incorporated, but slaves who were used as gifts and commodities for sale… Enslaving the vanquished people was an economic as well as military necessity…

https://borkena.com/2025/01/06/ethiopia ... mo-elites/
The constitution was done as expediently as his graduation from a university and claiming shortly after that he came up with a calculator that “solved” Ethiopia’s complex political problems of several centuries now. He may no longer blurt that over educated is a realistic criticism.

Was it Einstein who said experience is the best teacher?

Two or many wrongs do not make a single right.

Was there an ethnic group called Amhara or Oromo when Yekuno Amlak rose in Shawa? Don’t the Borana call themselves Borana to this day? Who were in Yekuno Amlak’s army that started to speak Amharic?

የወደፊት ኢትዮጵያ ዉስጥ ስህተት መናገር ወይም መፃፍ ነዉር ይሁን። አመን እመን አሙን አሜን።

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Noble Amhara » 10 Jan 2025, 01:39

Werje lived around Sendafa, and Addis Ababa (Chefa Donsa?, Bishoftu? ) their are small communities of Werje left in Akaki town and Daleti mountain

The werje had their own language but it is now extinct todays werje can only speak Afaan Oromo and Amharic their ancestral language is long gone.

The Werje helped establish the Shewa sultanate which was raided and weakened by Amharas (Atse Yekuno Amlak - Atse Amdeseyoun, Atse Zara Yacob) Amharas stopped the Islamification of Central Shewa from 1270 - 1530... than the Oromos migrated from 1600 - 1850 and destroyed the remnants of Islam in Shewa forcing remaining Muslims and Pagans to convert to Waaq traditionalist religion

The Werje language is a mystery to historians and scholars it could have been a Ethio Semetic or a Ethio Cushitic language

The Christian Presence in Shewa dates back to the fall of Axum . Coming from a straight line from the north meaning from Wollo ... as well Christian missionary activities were occuring even during the Zagwe Dynasty (900 AD - 1200 AD)

I believe Adadi Maryam Church is built during the Zagwe Era and also the Soddo Zikuala Mountian Monastery is named after a Zagwe district in Waghemra
Naga Tuma wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 01:21
I have read somewhere that in Wollo, Amhara means Christian, which is consistent with what you write here. It is suggestive of a religious identity, including the relatives of Abay Babo that accepted it.

I have heard the following from a Tigrigna speaking elderly man: ከትግሬ ያልተወለደ አማራ አማራ አይዴለም።

Yekuno Amlak restored the Solomonic Dynasty, or more appropriately a Christian Dynasty, in 1270. The Solomonic Dynasty accepted Christianity in the 4th century in Aksum and fell in the 10th century.

It took more than three centuries to restore the Christian Dynasty.

So, is it not plausible that a Christian identity popped up in Shawa in 1127, assuming what you write here is correct?

What language did the Werje speak, or to which language was their language the closest?

Did I hear or read somewhere that Jawar has some Werje identity?

Noble Amhara wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 18:37
Amhara is mentioned in 1127 in Shoa during a conflict with the Werje tribe somewhere near Sendafa - Aleltu area

Amhara is classified as Christian and Werje as Muslim

Yekuno Amlak rose to power in 1270 by then Amharic was already native to the north Shewa zone area

Naga Tuma wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 17:48
Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 16:05
" The political dynamic undergirded by hard reality left the realist Jawar no room but to acknowledge the problem is not with poor implementation of the constitution. The constitution is inherently flawed.

he stated: Tribal politics may be good to mobilize and organize dissent, but it is unsuitable for democratic governance. In geek talk this means: Tribalism is primitive and degenerative and leads to a Hobbesian state of chaos and anarchy. :mrgreen: In his interview with Moges he stressed the constitution that amplified tribal identity politics is the problem.

Professor Mohammed Hassan says about the savagery committed by Oromo Mogassa warriors during the Oromo era of nation building that Oromo built its kingdom within the Ethiopian framework out of the debris of a demolished Christian kingdom of Amhara through “terror” and “slavery.” The Gedaa driven Oromo assimilation process included forcing defeated tribes to abandon their culture, language and tradition. Even worse, they held them as serfs and slaves. Gedaa’s invasion of other tribal lands and slave systems was “inspired by political, military, and economic considerations.” During the Mogassa era, Oromos became “noblemen, rich in cattle and slaves,” the professor confessed

. This reminds me of the current day willfully enslaved and newly minted Orommuma adherents in this forum :lol: :lol: Corridor :lol: :mrgreen: I am not calling you out

This is what is coming :
"Most of the conquered people who had earlier submitted with little or no resistance, found that they were no longer equal members of a clan within which they were incorporated, but slaves who were used as gifts and commodities for sale… Enslaving the vanquished people was an economic as well as military necessity…

https://borkena.com/2025/01/06/ethiopia ... mo-elites/
The constitution was done as expediently as his graduation from a university and claiming shortly after that he came up with a calculator that “solved” Ethiopia’s complex political problems of several centuries now. He may no longer blurt that over educated is a realistic criticism.

Was it Einstein who said experience is the best teacher?

Two or many wrongs do not make a single right.

Was there an ethnic group called Amhara or Oromo when Yekuno Amlak rose in Shawa? Don’t the Borana call themselves Borana to this day? Who were in Yekuno Amlak’s army that started to speak Amharic?

የወደፊት ኢትዮጵያ ዉስጥ ስህተት መናገር ወይም መፃፍ ነዉር ይሁን። አመን እመን አሙን አሜን።

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Re: Jawar Says -"The path Ethiopia followed under the Oromo-led government has pushed Ethiopia into an existential crisi

Post by Naga Tuma » 10 Jan 2025, 19:33

Odie wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 19:14
ኦሮሞዎች ቄሮን እንደ ጦርስራዊት ተጠቅመው አገር እያፈረሱ ስው በተኛበት እያረዱ ነብስ ጡር እየተለተሉ በድሮን ቤተክርስትያንና ምእመኗን እያቃጠሉ በእገታ ስው እየዘርፉ እያስሩ እየዘረፉ ኦሮሞ አሁንም አልተጠቀመም ትለናለህ::
ኣጥፊዎቹ ወይም የጥፋት ተላላኪዎቹ በብዛት የዞረባቸዉ ያንተ ዘመዶች ላለመሆናቸዉ ማረጋገጫ ኣለህ?

ወይስ ኣልሚዉ ፊታዉራሪ ሀብተግዮርግስ ድነግዴ ከሆነ ጉራጌ ነዉ፣ ኣጥፊዉ የፊታዉራሪ ሀብተግዮርግስ ድነግዴ ወንድም ከሆነ ኦርመ ነዉ?

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