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Horus wrote: ↑

11 Dec 2024, 21:38

የሲሲ ተላላኪዎችና የሻቢያ ጃንጥላ ያዦች በጣም እየፈነዱ ነው!! ምን ስላገኙ? ምንም

Now, let us look at the facts. The facts on the ground.

(1) The deal nowhere states that Ethiopia has withdrawn her MOU with Somaliland.

(2) The Ankara deal states that Somalia will provide to Ethiopia 'ACCESS TO THE SEA' not access to a port.

(3) Somalioland independence is entirely separate from the MOU. Somaliland will be independent what ever happens to the MOU.

(4) The political and military crises between Puntland, Jubaland, South west vs. Mogadishou are separate from the MOU.

(5) As we speak, Jubaland has kicked out Hassan Sheik out of Jubaland.

(6) Ethiopian military presence in Puntland, Jubaland and South West is separate from the MOU.

(7) Ethiopian military will remain in Somalia as long as there is Al-Shabab.

(8) As for Ethiopia's recognition of Somaliland, despite the widespread public perception, Ethiopia never officially committed hrself or stated to recognize Somaliland. The true fact behind this position is unknown.

(9) Similarly, despite the widespread public perception, Ethiopia has never stated that it she doesn't recognize Somalila's sovereignty. (therefore, there is nothing new in finding that clause in the Ankara declaration).

In short, the Ankara mediation did nothing perhaps except .....

(1) Turkey tried to protect its massive investment from going down the tube as the result of total collapse of Somalia.

(2) Turkey also blocked Egypt from entering into Somalian theater which is Turkish sphere of influence.

(3) An immediate possible war between Somalia and Ethiopia is put off or temporarily averted.

(4) Ethiopia has successful disrupted or foiled Egyptian attempt at encircling Ethiopia through the use of Eritrea, Djibouti, and other internal agents of Ethiopian enemies. For Ethiopia, this is the primary threat.

(5) Ethiopia has broken out of the huge diplomatic isolation caused by the MOU.

(6) Now, Ethiopia has many, many cards to play with - regional & global diplomacy, anti-Shabab peace keeping, political & military influence with Somaliland, Puntland, Jubaland, Southest as well as Mogadishou itself.

So, forget the emotional dramas of Sisi water carriers. These are some of the facts. Follow the facts because they lead to the truth. And, within the coming 4 months all of these realities will change except two things - Ethiopia's quest for Sea Access & Somaliland's independence!

Kair.

Why did you leave out the commitment Clown Abiy Ahmed signed to respect the soverignty of Somalia?

Dama,
If you have the salt, produce a single statement where Ethiopia say that she does not respect Somalia's sovereignty. You see the problem in Ethiopia is that every desire and emotional orgy is taken for a fact. Atseke Selassie many times stated at the UN that Ethiopia has never violated any international law or Somalia's sovereignty. All Ethiopia said was it has signed an MOU with autonomous region of Somaliland just as all other counties have done the same including UAE, UK etc. Now, I have said this since January 2024 that Somaliland was independent 30 years before Abiy and Ethiopia is not the cause of Somaliland's quest for statehood and the other regional states of Somalia. Sure idiot anti-Ethiopia want to see Ethiopia isolated, harmed, minimized and destabilized. That will not happen. We have only one nation, one country. And, we need that country, we want to protect that country for us and our grandchildren. It is that simple, Ethiopia will win, she is here to stay.

So, where are the Tus Tus Egyptian soldiers in Ras Kamboni!!!

By signing this peace of paper that does not dissolve the Ethio - Somaliland MOU to lease a strip of coastal land for Ethiopia, the Mogadishu bound Somalia is also betraying Issaias Afwerki and al Sissi in their trilateral defense Asmara agreement. If Ethiopia goes to war against Eritrea, both Egypt and Somalia will remain on the sidelines, as Ethiopia marches to Asmara or Assab.

Mesob wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2024, 00:51

By signing this peace of paper that does not dissolve the Ethio - Somaliland MOU to lease a strip of coastal land for Ethiopia, the Mogadishu bound Somalia is also betraying Issaias Afwerki and al Sissi in their trilateral defense Asmara agreement. If Ethiopia goes to war against Eritrea, both Egypt and Somalia will remain on the sidelines, as Ethiopia marches to Asmara or Assab.

True. What we must look at is the driving interest and motivation for each actor. Egypt was never interested in the defense or development of Somalia. What is driving Egypt is their desire to control our river - Abbay. As we speak, Egypt seems to be changing its strategy toward Ethiopia from hostility and threat to compromise and conversation. That means, Egypt will have less desire to get entangled with Somalia's issues.

It is the same with Eritrea. Isayas has no meaningful national interest in Somalia. Eritrea's issue with Ethiopia has to do with border demarcation and Asab. So, it is very unlikely for Isayas to actually fight to defend Hassan Sheik.

The same with Egypt. Egypt has no national interest in Eritrea except to use Eritrea as mule for its regional interests such as Ethiopia, Sudan etc.

HERE IS SAJID'S TAKE ON THE ANKARA DECLARATION. I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT HE MAKES IS THAT THE DEFEAT OF MUSE BIHI COULD HAVE BEEN A CRITICAL POINT. i HAD SAID MANY TIMES THAT THE HESITATION ON THE PART OF ETHIOPIA TO COMMIT TO THE MOU WOULD FORCE SOMALILAND TO CHANGE ITS MIND. BUT FOR ETHIOPIA AT LEAST A UNITED SOMALILAND WAS A NECESSARY CONDITION TO SIGN THE MOU. BUT THERE WAS NO UNITED SOMALILAND POSITION ON THE MOU. SAJID FAILS TO CATCH THIS POINT.

Horus wrote: ↑

12 Dec 2024, 02:13

HERE IS SAJID'S TAKE ON THE ANKARA DECLARATION. I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT HE MAKES IS THAT THE DEFEAT OF MUSE BIHI COULD HAVE BEEN A CRITICAL POINT. i HAD SAID MANY TIMES THAT THE HESITATION ON THE PART OF ETHIOPIA TO COMMIT TO THE MOU WOULD FORCE SOMALILAND TO CHANGE ITS MIND. BUT FOR ETHIOPIA AT LEAST A UNITED SOMALILAND WAS A NECESSARY CONDITION TO SIGN THE MOU. BUT THERE WAS NO UNITED SOMALILAND POSITION ON THE MOU. SAJID FAILS TO CATCH THIS POINT.

HERE IS SAJID'S TAKE ON THE ANKARA DECLARATION.

Someone who claims to have 56 year experience in politics who's yet taking a semi-illiterate Paki YouTuber in his tiny kitchen in search of viewers to make ends meet as gospel truth!



Trust me, I never bother clicking his fuc'king videos, as this would amount to demeaning myself. Go get education, as such a level of ignorance must be a sin in the 21st century.

Somali man,

Oldie fu…caked up Guragie Horsee lives in his nana land. Guragie is a vulnerable and despised small community in Ethiopia. Guragie is surrounded by the primitive savage known as Gallalus. The first victim of genocide prone Ethiopia will be Guragie. Ethiopia is on its way to disintegration. The little twerp in Addis understands the gravity right now. You know, Egypt had decided to destroy the dam one way or another. It is a matter of time. The tripartite agreement signed in Asmara has nothing to do with what has been signed in Ankara. The little twerp is just trying to reduce the pressure on his smelly Galla behind. Abbiy wanted to really be the king of Ethiopia. He is not helping himself in that department either. Whatever he is doing will have the opposite effect to his evil plan of prolonging power in Ethiopia. Africans are watching as well.

Horus let me make it easy for your . You admitted that the mou caused u diplomatic isolation. You also said that Ethiopia was never committed to recognise Somaliland . We do remember that the mou was about a sea coast lease 50years for diplomatic recognition from Ethiopia for Somaliland . A year later abiye sat with. The president of Somalia now says he supports the territorial integrity of Somalia . And wants to find a way to get some sort of port access via Somalia purely commercial no naval has been mentioned . Doesn’t that mean that you stopped the mou or that Ethiopia no longer entertains the mou. The mou is dead and it died 12 December. Let’s be honest and just grieve dear land first denial then comes cry and then acceptance.


Dr Zackovich

(4) Ethiopia has successful disrupted or foiled Egyptian attempt at encircling Ethiopia through the use of Eritrea, Djibouti, and other internal agents of Ethiopian enemies. For Ethiopia, this is the primary threat.

In the so called declaration, I failed to see the statement that indicated the above wish list.

የሲሲ ተላላኪዎችና የሻቢያ ጃንጥላ ያዦች ጩሀት ማይክሮፎን ሙሉ ቮልዩም ተከፍቶ እያስተጋባ ነው!! የብስጭትና የችንቀታቸው መለኪያ ነው። ለማንኛውም let us observe a very interesting event about TIMING & DIPLOMACY!

Why is did the following happen all at the same time?
The Jubaland regional militia badly defeats the Turkish, Eritrean, American trained Somalia commandos?

Hassan Sheik agrees to sign the Ankara declaration without Ethiopian withdrawal of MOU?

The newly elected Somaliland president assumes power.

The French president visits Addis Abeba.

Trump is invited to the Notre Dame celebration of Paris. A

ll of these events happen within 3 days!!! Are these mere coincidences? Is there a geopolitical timing logic to it? I think so!!!

Horus wrote: ↑

11 Dec 2024, 21:38

የሲሲ ተላላኪዎችና የሻቢያ ጃንጥላ ያዦች በጣም እየፈነዱ ነው!! ምን ስላገኙ? ምንም

Now, let us look at the facts. The facts on the ground.

(1) The deal nowhere states that Ethiopia has withdrawn her MOU with Somaliland.

(2) The Ankara deal states that Somalia will provide to Ethiopia 'ACCESS TO THE SEA' not access to a port.

(3) Somalioland independence is entirely separate from the MOU. Somaliland will be independent what ever happens to the MOU.

(4) The political and military crises between Puntland, Jubaland, South west vs. Mogadishou are separate from the MOU.

(5) As we speak, Jubaland has kicked out Hassan Sheik out of Jubaland.

(6) Ethiopian military presence in Puntland, Jubaland and South West is separate from the MOU.

(7) Ethiopian military will remain in Somalia as long as there is Al-Shabab.

(8) As for Ethiopia's recognition of Somaliland, despite the widespread public perception, Ethiopia never officially committed hrself or stated to recognize Somaliland. The true fact behind this position is unknown.

(9) Similarly, despite the widespread public perception, Ethiopia has never stated that it she doesn't recognize Somalila's sovereignty. (therefore, there is nothing new in finding that clause in the Ankara declaration).

In short, the Ankara mediation did nothing perhaps except .....

(1) Turkey tried to protect its massive investment from going down the tube as the result of total collapse of Somalia.

(2) Turkey also blocked Egypt from entering into Somalian theater which is Turkish sphere of influence.

(3) An immediate possible war between Somalia and Ethiopia is put off or temporarily averted.

(4) Ethiopia has successfully disrupted or foiled Egyptian attempt at encircling Ethiopia through the use of Eritrea, Djibouti, and other internal agents of Ethiopian enemies. For Ethiopia, this is the primary threat.

(5) Ethiopia has broken out of the huge diplomatic isolation caused by the MOU.

(6) Now, Ethiopia has many, many cards to play with - regional & global diplomacy, anti-Shabab peace keeping, political & military influence with Somaliland, Puntland, Jubaland, Southest as well as Mogadishou itself.

So, forget the emotional dramas of Sisi water carriers. These are some of the facts. Follow the facts because they lead to the truth. And, within the coming 4 months all of these realities will change except two things - Ethiopia's quest for Sea Access & Somaliland's independence!

Kair.

(2) The Ankara deal states that Somalia will provide to Ethiopia 'ACCESS TO THE SEA' not access to a port.

Trust me, I haven't gone through your list of garbage, but this has just attracted my attention, as you scribbled it in capital letters.

This proves again your poor education.

For your information, when talking about the right of landlocked states to transit through the territory of neighboring coastal states and use their ports for commercial purposes upon bilateral agreements, access to the sea is the conventional and customary term used to describe this and not access to a port, as this can mean many things that may not even have anything to do with a port or harbour on a seacoast.

Access to the sea is a legal term, which refers to the right of non-coastal states to pass through a territorial sea to reach ports, defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which grants landlocked countries, like your cursed land sh'ithole, a right of access to the sea.

It's very sad that at your well advanced age you're so wrapped up in such a deluded little bubble of fantasy, just like this man who's carrying a bouquet of flowers to his loved woman that only exists in his own deluded fantasy!