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If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 17:17
by Dama
Borders open, Ethiopia will be flooded with Eritreans. Are we ready?
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 17:35
by DefendTheTruth
Ethiopia can nullify the fake referendum when it deemed necessary but base your expectation not on the junk youtuber talking about አስተማማኝ የደንነት ምንጮች.
Take a lesson from the Faandoo debacle in the Amhara region: everything was based on the same አስተማማኝ የደንነት ምንጮች but it didn't spare them from the final decimation in the hands of the same military they targeted after dubbing it የአብይ ጦር.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 17:47
by Dejach Aklilu
DDT
Why would you nullify the referendum? IF a people fight you for 30 years then vote 99% to separate from you, unless you are thick, stupid, blind and a total no comprende, you would get the message that they are not Ethiopians.
Ethiopia's intrest in getting a red sea coast will materialise within the next few years through smart politicking without the need to be saddled with the baggage that comes with running a barren province like eritrea that will give you nothing but problems.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 18:25
by Dama
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:35
Ethiopia can nullify the fake referendum when it deemed necessary but base your expectation not on the junk youtuber talking about አስተማማኝ የደንነት ምንጮች.
Take a lesson from the Faandoo debacle in the Amhara region: everything was based on the same አስተማማኝ የደንነት ምንጮች but it didn't spare them from the final decimation in the hands of the same military they targeted after dubbing it የአብይ ጦር.
I have rather heard and read it was dubbed Oromoma Army, not Abiy Army.
Many Eritreans will consider nullification of the Eritrean independence by Ethiopia as a liberation of Eritrea from the clutches an undying dictator.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 19:03
by Dark Energy
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 23:52
by Right
Dama,
You asked a stupid question. Ethiopia will not recognize the independence of Eritrea but doesn’t have to give citizenships to Eritreans.
35% of the land Eritrea claims belongs to Afars. For that reason alone Ethiopia can void and not recognize the state of Eritrea.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 04:34
by Deqi-Arawit
The prospect of the disintegration of "Ethiopia" is higher than The nobility to join it. Let the savages rape each other in broad day light like savages they are. It was Raasi Tesema who said, let alone to be governed by "Ethiopians" it is even bigger sin to govern them. The posture child of famine should just stay poor and scream red Sea while they flip their asses open to non governmental agents and offer their children to be adopted by pedophiles
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 05:00
by DefendTheTruth
Dejach Aklilu wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:47
DDT
Why would you nullify the referendum? IF a people fight you for 30 years then vote 99% to separate from you, unless you are thick, stupid, blind and a total no comprende, you would get the message that they are not Ethiopians.
Ethiopia's intrest in getting a red sea coast will materialise within the next few years through smart politicking without the need to be saddled with the baggage that comes with running a barren province like eritrea that will give you nothing but problems.
Okay, let me be so stupid as you may like to have it. Then answer the following question(s):
Ethiopia can nullify or not, it is not the major issue here. Anybody can never deny that the whole orchestration was fake: the way TPLF granted the so called independence, the way so called referendum was conducted, how the views of all the stakeholders of the whole business were ignored and everything was staged and imposed make the whole process full of major flaws. In the case of major flaws it is only a matter of time to rectify it, it is not if about Ethiopia or Eritrea likes it or not, the distortion has to be rectified. Do you mind that?
TPLF forced the so called Eritrean independence on the people of Ethiopia by means of a barrel of the gun, it was not an elected government. It shouldn't have a mandate to deliberate on issues of such a national strategic interest, that could affect the lives of generations to come. This generation can ignore and just get over it, but it will going to come back and haunt our coming generations down the road. It is not sustainable, is it in your smart world?
The sooner you try to rectify the distortions the better and easier it is to do so. But we have many
bandas among us for now, we will going to deal with them adequately first and then sort out the rest of distortions in our national issues. Are you perhaps part of the bandas?
Please be informed fighting for 30 years or more will never justify to impose your will on others by means of violence, you may win the violence but not the justification.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 07:46
by Deqi-Arawit
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 05:00
Dejach Aklilu wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:47
DDT
Why would you nullify the referendum? IF a people fight you for 30 years then vote 99% to separate from you, unless you are thick, stupid, blind and a total no comprende, you would get the message that they are not Ethiopians.
Ethiopia's intrest in getting a red sea coast will materialise within the next few years through smart politicking without the need to be saddled with the baggage that comes with running a barren province like eritrea that will give you nothing but problems.
Okay, let me be so stupid as you may like to have it. Then answer the following question(s):
Ethiopia can nullify or not, it is not the major issue here. Anybody can never deny that the whole orchestration was fake: the way TPLF granted the so called independence, the way so called referendum was conducted, how the views of all the stakeholders of the whole business were ignored and everything was staged and imposed make the whole process full of major flaws. In the case of major flaws it is only a matter of time to rectify it, it is not if about Ethiopia or Eritrea likes it or not, the distortion has to be rectified. Do you mind that?
TPLF forced the so called Eritrean independence on the people of Ethiopia by means of a barrel of the gun, it was not an elected government. It shouldn't have a mandate to deliberate on issues of such a national strategic interest, that could affect the lives of generations to come. This generation can ignore and just get over it, but it will going to come back and haunt our coming generations down the road. It is not sustainable, is it in your smart world?
The sooner you try to rectify the distortions the better and easier it is to do so. But we have many
bandas among us for now, we will going to deal with them adequately first and then sort out the rest of distortions in our national issues. Are you perhaps part of the bandas?
Please be informed fighting for 30 years or more will never justify to impose your will on others by means of violence, you may win the violence but not the justification.
:
the arabs don't recognize the state of Israel either
. They asked Allah to remove them and Allah is giving them a deaf ear. Likewise, ye Ethiopia amlak was called many times but he too is dead
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 08:09
by Dama
Right wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 23:52
Dama,
You asked a stupid question. Ethiopia will not recognize the independence of Eritrea but doesn’t have to give citizenships to Eritreans.
35% of the land Eritrea claims belongs to Afars. For that reason alone Ethiopia can void and not recognize the state of Eritrea.
Drunk? Read the question again.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:38
by Abere
They all have been carrying Ethiopian citizenship passport. Almost all of those rat Shabia trolls on this forum have Ethiopian passport in their pockets. They are daytime Eritrean, nighttime Ethiopian. I am sure Isaias Afework himself have one for possible rainy day. Suppose Isaias Afework asks asylum, what citizenship would he refer to his application? Ethiopia!
By the way, the Eritrea bubble is the rattiest one. All we hear on this forum is rats squeaks of Shabia cloned by the West & rustic Arabs, like Egypt.
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Dama wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:17
Borders open, Ethiopia will be flooded with Eritreans. Are we ready?
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:40
by Somaliman
You should better worry about your Gurage people who possess this useless passport yet are treated as second class citizens.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:47
by Abere
Abere wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 10:38
They all have been carrying Ethiopian citizenship passport. Almost all of those rat Shabia trolls on this forum have Ethiopian passport in their pockets. They are daytime Eritrean, nighttime Ethiopian. I am sure Isaias Afework himself have one for possible rainy day. Suppose Isaias Afework asks asylum, what citizenship would he refer to his application? Ethiopia!
By the way, the Eritrea bubble is the rattiest one. All we hear on this forum is rats squeaks of Shabia cloned by the West & rustic Arabs, like Egypt.
Many thinks the West is against Shabia. That is untrue. Shabia is the deliberate work of the West to control Ethiopia, the political, economic, cultural gate way of Africa; i.e, Ethiopia. It is all about influence and it is the top most agenda of any country. The West needs that. They need some useless and forever dependence land, such as the Eritrea bubble.
Likewise, the Arab world also have deep interest and ambition to control Ethiopia, if possible to draw her in their union such as like their slaves of Sudan and Somalia, including now the bubble Eritrea. The primary reason is their lust for freshwater and arable land. And their secondary reason is to Islamize Ethiopia in the most fundamental way as themselves, knowing that Ethiopia consists of larger share of Christian population. They think their religion is a tool to manipulate others.
Dama wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:17
Borders open, Ethiopia will be flooded with Eritreans. Are we ready?
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 10:55
by DefendTheTruth
Here are the two combination of conditions that should be fulfilled for Ethiopia to be at peace with herself and her neighbors:
- access to the sea without any if or when
- it has to be by means of peaceful negotiations.
Ethiopia can never be relegated to a landlocked country anymore!
If the second condition fails to materialize the first, then it is the guess of anybody to predict what could follow that.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 15:33
by Dama
Abere wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 10:38
They all have been carrying Ethiopian citizenship passport. Almost all of those rat Shabia trolls on this forum have Ethiopian passport in their pockets. They are daytime Eritrean, nighttime Ethiopian. I am sure Isaias Afework himself have one for possible rainy day. Suppose Isaias Afework asks asylum, what citizenship would he refer to his application? Ethiopia!
By the way, the Eritrea bubble is the rattiest one. All we hear on this forum is rats squeaks of Shabia cloned by the West & rustic Arabs, like Egypt.
I
Dama wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:17
Borders open, Ethiopia will be flooded with Eritreans. Are we ready?
That's just dreadful. If the Eritreans on this forum carry Ethiopian passports, we really do have a job to do. I may do something horrible. They can't treat Ethiopians like they do here and live among us peacefully.
Eritrean rats, you're warned!!
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 15:38
by Dama
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 10:55
Here are the two combination of conditions that should be fulfilled for
Ethiopia to be at peace with herself and her neighbors:
- access to the sea without any if or when
- it has to be by means of peaceful negotiations.
Ethiopia can never be relegated to a landlocked country anymore!
If the second condition fails to materialize the first, then it is the guess of anybody to predict what could follow that.
To be at peace with herself, Ethiopia should solve the
nationalist questions and land grabs by Oromo.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 15:56
by Fiyameta
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 16:17
by Somaliman
Dama wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 15:33
Abere wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 10:38
They all have been carrying Ethiopian citizenship passport. Almost all of those rat Shabia trolls on this forum have Ethiopian passport in their pockets. They are daytime Eritrean, nighttime Ethiopian. I am sure Isaias Afework himself have one for possible rainy day. Suppose Isaias Afework asks asylum, what citizenship would he refer to his application? Ethiopia!
By the way, the Eritrea bubble is the rattiest one. All we hear on this forum is rats squeaks of Shabia cloned by the West & rustic Arabs, like Egypt.
I
Dama wrote: ↑30 Oct 2024, 17:17
Borders open, Ethiopia will be flooded with Eritreans. Are we ready?
That's just dreadful. If the Eritreans on this forum carry Ethiopian passports, we really do have a job to do. I may do something horrible. They can't treat Ethiopians like they do here and live among us peacefully.
Eritrean rats, you're warned!!
Shut the fuc'k up.
Most of you fuc'king Ethiopians carry western passports thanks to Eritreans, as you applied for asylum in the West as Eritreans. This is a fact.
In addition, make no mistake, Eritreans in your sh'ithole are by no means provided for by Ethiopia. Instead, they're providing for themselves and don't receive anything from Ethiopia other than hassles and being asked for bribes.
Moreover, we're in a globalisation era, and thus, people are free to live where they feel like for their own personal reasons.
It doesn't necessarily mean that people love the country where they live, and Eritreans are no exception.
Why don't you return your western passport yourself and take your ar'se back to where it belongs, if you think Eritreans are living in Ethiopia for the love of it?
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 17:13
by Dama
Dummy! All that has been condemned about you suckers is you live in our country while you hate it.
You won't continue without a price. You have a choice before it's too late.
Re: If Ethiopia nullifies Eritrean independence, how soon will it restore Ethiopian citizenship/passport to Eritreans?
Posted: 31 Oct 2024, 20:13
by Dejach Aklilu
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 05:00
Okay, let me be so stupid as you may like to have it. Then answer the following question(s):
Ethiopia can nullify or not, it is not the major issue here. Anybody can never deny that the whole orchestration was fake: the way TPLF granted the so called independence, the way so called referendum was conducted, how the views of all the stakeholders of the whole business were ignored and everything was staged and imposed make the whole process full of major flaws. In the case of major flaws it is only a matter of time to rectify it, it is not if about Ethiopia or Eritrea likes it or not, the distortion has to be rectified. Do you mind that?
I do mind that actually. The referendum was a result of the conclusion of the civil war where the rebels were the victors. Victors decide the terms of settlement, I.e. referenda on eritrean independence. Eritreans including those living in ethiopia voted 99%+ to be independent. Your allegation the referendum was flawed is a moot point because as I explained above, Eritrea is not independent because of the result of the referendum but the result of the civil war, the referendum and its result being a mere formality. I hope you now understand.
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Oct 2024, 05:00
TPLF forced the so called Eritrean independence on the people of Ethiopia by means of a barrel of the gun, it was not an elected government. It shouldn't have a mandate to deliberate on issues of such a national strategic interest, that could affect the lives of generations to come. This generation can ignore and just get over it, but it will going to come back and haunt our coming generations down the road. It is not sustainable, is it in your smart world?
The sooner you try to rectify the distortions the better and easier it is to do so. But we have many
bandas among us for now, we will going to deal with them adequately first and then sort out the rest of distortions in our national issues. Are you perhaps part of the bandas?
Please be informed fighting for 30 years or more will never justify to impose your will on others by means of violence, you may win the violence but not the justification.
A rebel group doesn't survive for 30 years plus if it isn't supported by the locals my friend. Just look closer to home, PM Abiy enjoys undisputed military superiority over fano, but he hasn't been able to eliminate them because of support from their local population.
Please tell me im dying to know what Ethiopia gains by nullifying the referendum and claiming Eritrea. Does Ethiopia gain the industries, the coal mines, the oil fields, the solar farms of eritrea, we all know Eritrea has none of those. It is not like eritrea has a swiss style highly skilled, uber productive labor force, its a country of 5 million, and the only thing they are highly productive at is producing the biggest number of per capita refugees along with Syria and taliban Afghans. you want to add these to our already problem riddled country ?
Without being emotionally charged, and with a goal of ruthlessly pursuing our intrest, ethiopia is worse off if it incorporates eritrea entirely. However, It's not a secret we are exploring options of acquiring a sea outlet, we just need to be smart and wait until Issu kicks the bucket, eritrea will go into a succession crises in the same vein as post-tito of yugoslavia, post-gaddafi lybia, post HIM ethiopia. The more Issayas stays in power and starves alternative voices oxygen, the more he decimates his country further, the more severe their transition to post-isayas eritrea will be. So failed state awaits them. I'm not whishing it on them, just stating what has happened time and time again to mutliple countries throughout history. If Ethiopia has mature politicians ready at the gates who play their cards right, the afar coast line including assab will return back into Ethiopia's hands. We will not have a hard time gaining recognition for Ethiopian Assab as the port city and the surrounding afar land was self governing before eplf took over, hence according to international law, eplf actually violated assab's self governing autonomy by invading and incorporating it into eritrea proper. As with respecting the ethio-eritrea colonial borders, the first country to violate that border was actually eritrea's ancestor Italy when they invaded in the 1930s, so international law is on our side, all can be litigated in court. Beyond that, recognition wise Ethiopia has a far powerful politcal capital and standing in front of the african Union or regional organisations like EAC, IGAD than post-issu crises Eritrea. So playing the long game is better than losing your standing and capital by appearing to be the aggressor by nullifying or invading.
