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Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 00:08
by Sadacha Macca
If egypt were to engage in a ground war, Ethiopia can defend itself, but the position the citizens of somali kilil take will play a huge role. Since Egypt would inevitably have to get through their land first, how the somalis react there would be crucial. If they help the endf with manpower, resources, etc, then no doubt this would be a huge deal and contributing factor for Ethiopia.
If they're indifferent or even assist Egypt, then it'd be beyond bad.
If Egypt plans a quick strike on the dam, then is Ethiopia able to repulse it? Egypt has far more advanced armaments, their airforce could strike and make it back to base, but when it comes to fighting on the ground, Ethiopia would have many advantages. We saw Egyptians surrendering en mass in sudan, despite having all those fancy western provided armaments, which shows that fighting in hostile lands, among a hostile people, will lead to disastrous consequences for even the strongest of conventional forces. Lack of knowing the terrain, hostile populace, etc, is what had the endf being frustrated when the tigrayans switched to guerrilla warfare in tigrays war.
I suspect Egypt wouldn't fare much better in hostile lands of eastern Ethiopia where the oromo form a significant portion of the population.
1. The former endf, prior to the ascent of abiy to power, was dominated by tigrayan generals. When the war in tigray broke out, of course, the most experienced generals of tigrayan heritage were kicked out of the endf,.detained, purged,.etc
The tplf linked the strength of the army and even Ethiopia as a state to themselves by putting tigrayan loyalists in the most powerful positions in the country.
The effects of such policies are being felt in ethiopia to this day.
Of course, in typical dictatorship fashion, abiys generals are mostly loyalist Oromo, some being former shabia pows. If he were picking based on merit alone, I wouldn't care if they were Mongolians, as long as they were the most competent.
But we know how things go in ethiopia. Even those who claim to be "anti tribalism " are tribalists, people like horus who say gurages are the best, should rule, etc, while claiming to be against tribalism. Hilarious double standards indeed.
They are gaining more experience now but are nowhere near the experienced tegarus because the tplf made sure tigrayans got the best training from the west when the west would send military advisors and trainers, going as far as back as 2006 when ethiopia was made to invade somalia.
Ethiopia being divided or at war within isn't necessarily new, but the current situation in amara, (OLA doesnt appear to be doing much, fano is strong in amara but wont be able to expand out of amara without allies), can make it very difficult to focus on any external foe(s). Abiy should negotiate with fano on a mutually beneficial basis if he wishes to prepare for any war, let fano rule amara and join the fed govt, while also incorporating the OLA in the areas it has majority support. Otherwise....
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 03:10
by TGAA
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑05 Sep 2024, 00:08
If egypt were to engage in a ground war, Ethiopia can defend itself, but the position the citizens of somali kilil take will play a huge role. Since Egypt would inevitably have to get through their land first, how the somalis react there would be crucial. If they help the endf with manpower, resources, etc, then no doubt this would be a huge deal and contributing factor for Ethiopia.
If they're indifferent or even assist Egypt, then it'd be beyond bad.
If Egypt plans a quick strike on the dam, then is Ethiopia able to repulse it? Egypt has far more advanced armaments, their airforce could strike and make it back to base, but when it comes to fighting on the ground, Ethiopia would have many advantages. We saw Egyptians surrendering en mass in sudan, despite having all those fancy western provided armaments, which shows that fighting in hostile lands, among a hostile people, will lead to disastrous consequences for even the strongest of conventional forces. Lack of knowing the terrain, hostile populace, etc, is what had the endf being frustrated when the tigrayans switched to guerrilla warfare in tigrays war.
I suspect Egypt wouldn't fare much better in hostile lands of eastern Ethiopia where the oromo form a significant portion of the population.
1. The former endf, prior to the ascent of abiy to power, was dominated by tigrayan generals. When the war in tigray broke out, of course, the most experienced generals of tigrayan heritage were kicked out of the endf,.detained, purged,.etc
The tplf linked the strength of the army and even Ethiopia as a state to themselves by putting tigrayan loyalists in the most powerful positions in the country.
The effects of such policies are being felt in ethiopia to this day.
Of course, in typical dictatorship fashion, abiys generals are mostly loyalist Oromo, some being former shabia pows. If he were picking based on merit alone, I wouldn't care if they were Mongolians, as long as they were the most competent.
But we know how things go in ethiopia. Even those who claim to be "anti tribalism " are tribalists, people like horus who say gurages are the best, should rule, etc, while claiming to be against tribalism. Hilarious double standards indeed.
They are gaining more experience now but are nowhere near the experienced tegarus because the tplf made sure tigrayans got the best training from the west when the west would send military advisors and trainers, going as far as back as 2006 when ethiopia was made to invade somalia.
Ethiopia being divided or at war within isn't necessarily new, but the current situation in amara, (OLA doesnt appear to be doing much, fano is strong in amara but wont be able to expand out of amara without allies), can make it very difficult to focus on any external foe(s). Abiy should negotiate with fano on a mutually beneficial basis if he wishes to prepare for any war, let fano rule amara and join the fed govt, while also incorporating the OLA in the areas it has majority support. Otherwise....
For the power-hungry Abiy and his followers, everything, including the sovereignty and unity of the country, ranks far down the list, despite the lip service they have mastered as an art form. The proposal you put forward could have been a good way to reunite the country in short order. Even if an election were held in the Amhara region, Fano would win overwhelmingly. This would have made it the true representative of the Amhara people in the Federal government. Once a power equilibrium is established, a genuine negotiation between all Ethiopians could take place, leading to the creation of a true federal democratic system, ushering in a new era for all Ethiopians and forming a bulwark against Egypt's interference. But power greed has no rational element in it.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 03:17
by Tiago
Do not expect others to fight Galla instigated war.
you stink.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 03:48
by Somaliman
You fuc'king Galla baboon,
Where have you been to fail to call Ethiopians for such a unity to stop this genocide, which is, sadly, still taking place, orchestrated by your own Galla savage animals to date?
You're now blabbering on about unity because you're scared for the ar'se of your clown monkey Galla in Arat Kilo and that you might end up back into the enslavement of Habesha.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 03:56
by Zack
Sadacha explain to be my why do Ola have beef with abiye
Don’t they consider him oromo . Isn’t he fighting Amhara nationalist how can they then mistrust him I don’t understand give me some perspective on this . Fano is claiming abiye is An oromo nationalist ola is opposing abiye when they then selves are also fighting for oromo nationalism . So where does it go wrong
Dr Zackovich
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 04:52
by Sadacha Macca
Tiago aka The Insane Agame Guy Online,
As usual, all you have to contribute, are ethnic slurs and gross generalizations, much like your agame cyber troll comrades.
Somaliman aka abyssinialadyboy aka eden aka kerenite,
I know you're bitter about what occurred in tigray, your homeland.
I too am saddened by what occurred there. The people of tigray were sandwiched by enemies on all sides who ganged up on them. I wish that never happened. I will always sympathize with you and your multiple accounts.
I do not care whether abiy rules or not, nor do I support them blindly, my post is about Ethiopia not being prepared internally for such a war, and ways to counter the problems that could hinder Ethiopias ability to mobilize for war against an external foe.
I know as an agame cyber troll who is bitter, enraged, vengeful, due to tigray being pounced upon, that you want to see Ethiopia destroyed; but you should blame your own tplf elites for that war first and foremost. Tigrayans didnt deserve that though and the Amaras do not deserve the war either, not to mention the war crimes committed in Oromia.
The current government is oromo Elitist but doesnt care for oromos either and has been doing what happened in tigray, to Oromo's, for decades. But don't let facts hinder you from being emotionally angry and hateful of an entire nation.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 08:03
by Yakume
The Oromo have failed to run the country and need to hand over power either to the Abyssinians or the Somalis.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 05 Sep 2024, 08:49
by Odie
Yakume wrote: ↑05 Sep 2024, 08:03
The Oromo have failed to run the country and need to hand over power either to the Abyssinians or the Somalis.
>>>>>>>>
Who gave birth cirteficate to abiy as OROMO?
I don’t think all Oromo’s recognize him as Oromo
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 20 Sep 2024, 11:45
by Yakume
Sure, many Oromos do not consider him an Oromo, but there are logical aspects to the identity of individuals, and if they say they belong to this or that ethnic group in society, we cannot deny their claims. The same applies to the current Oromo political leaders in Ethiopia.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 20 Sep 2024, 11:59
by Dark Energy
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 20 Sep 2024, 12:03
by wubebereha
the Amhara hater anti-Ethiopia Oromuma regime led by the incompetent semi-retard boy in Menelik palace has placed most average moderate Ethiopians like me in a very awkward position, even when our lifetime enemy Egypt is at our door step. God help US!!!
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 20 Sep 2024, 12:19
by Odie
Yakume wrote: ↑20 Sep 2024, 11:45
Sure, many Oromos do not consider him an Oromo, but there are logical aspects to the identity of individuals, and if they say they belong to this or that ethnic group in society, we cannot deny their claims. The same applies to the current Oromo political leaders in Ethiopia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The idiots are us who are ticked to believe really
ethnic itself is in power. I don't buy that. It is a sentiment used to hold power, kill, rob money and write history in that particular group's name for the person in power.
Look, they used our weak point to make us believe that Amhara and Orthodox were evil and the unsuspecting believed TPLF of that rhetoric with which they used and abused the country for over 30 years. They convinced most of the Tigrians that they were once golden Ethnic and now it is their turn to exploit. They did. But eventually the Tigrians, as they brought atrocities on other Ethiopians perished in millions and now are in decimal state.
They told us Oromo was abused and never had power. Abiy, partly non-Oromo, like Meles Zenawi who was 50% from Eritrean Tigre rode the Oromo who were made believe they were abused by Amhara (a flawed hypothesis) and usurped power in 4-Killo. He killed millions of Tigrians, now Amhara in hundreds of thousands and Oromos did not rest, they also die like fly. Mengistu was presumed to be Amhara (but debated) but killed everybody.
The kings, perhaps with good intent, or may be with some facts, proclaimed they were Solomonic dynasty. They did what they wanted to do. Mostly they succeeded to usher peace and unity, a lot better still with exploitation by the nobility. Even go to Eritrea, one psychopath convinced Eritreans that they need freedom or abolish slavery, they died, killed and succeeded to be alone but they are under one man wish without even constitution. He is a lifetime dictator, and the Eritreans wish to leave the land even to die and have already left the country in droves.
So, the fault is in the POLITICAL RHETHORIC used by the power seekers. The fault is in you and me who believe them and let ourselves and our people to die. Our people need is not division. Not who is what ethnics. Ethnic hair splitting for political reason will never give us peace. This is a life we don't live forever. We need to coexist. We have enough resource and manpower. We have to somehow usher good governance (our enemies won't want that for us), taper down ethnic division (we survived together for millennia) and change the political rhetoric. otherwise, we will remain used, abused, exploited, killed and may have to kill our brothers. We have to think when to protect our brother. Say I am a defender of my brother. All this is preposterous. I don't know your ethnic, but if I meet you in some place and you need help, it will be difficult for me not to provide that help to you, first because you are human, second you are from Africa, third you may be from Ethiopia (not bs you are Oromo, Tigre Bla-Bla....). We need to wake up. We are used by politicians all our life
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 04:14
by Tiago
Sadacha,If you can not accept the truth that is on the ground,you have an issue up your head, FYI there is no drop of agame nor galla blood in my vein.
You are well known mad ,Amhara hater Galla .
Lecture your savage Galla folks how to be humane first.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 04:46
by Somaliman
Tiago wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 04:14
Sadacha,If you can not accept the truth that is on the ground,you have an issue up your head, FYI there is no drop of agame nor galla blood in my vein.
You are well known mad ,Amhara hater Galla .
Lecture your savage Galla folks how to be humane first.
He has the propensity of calling anyone and everyone that he disagrees with Agame, as a result of a sudden impulse. He's Agamephobic in the purest meaning of the word. He doesn't hate Agames but has a lasting fear of them.
Re: Ethiopians united can defeat Egypt but in its current position? It'd be very difficult and costly..
Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 06:39
by Jikaar
Egypt won't attack Ethiopia from the Somali territories. They can attack from Sudan or Eritrea if they want. They are more interested to block the MoU to deny Ethiopia having any presence in the red sea or the golf of Eden.
Their second goal is to kick out ENDF from Southern Somalia , and bring their own Egyptian forces to replace the Ethiopians.
Ethiopia is more likely to use Fano , Ola and alshabaab to further destabilize Ethiopia. Ethio tribal problems won't end anytime soon , in fact it will get worse , most Ethiopians were peasant farmers living in rural areas that have no access to the internet. Today majority of the peaple Have access to information. And the content they are consuming is always negative.