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The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by TGAA » 26 Aug 2024, 22:26


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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Right » 26 Aug 2024, 22:49

What are you trying to sell or what are you trying to promote?
Eskinder is a good man and a well known human rights advocates. He went to prison and almost died standing up for what he believes, peacefully. Period.

Eskinder is not a Fano. And he has never been. At this point in his life, he can’t be a soldier let alone leading the soldiers.

Habtamu Ayalew and Ermias Legesse, once again, are trying to be the owners of the Amharas struggle which they have never believed in with a welfare cheque from a burger shop in DC.

All of a sudden the struggle has stopped and all issues are diverted to grab the momentum of the cause towards Eskinder Nega. What a shame.
OK start fighting for Ethiopia without using the Amhara people as a means to serve your purpose. Let Eskinder start fighting for the cause from The Southern part of Ethiopia. Get out of messing up the Amharas struggle. Let the organic struggle of Fano evolve.

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by TGAA » 26 Aug 2024, 23:57

Right wrote:
26 Aug 2024, 22:49
What are you trying to sell or what are you trying to promote?
Eskinder is a good man and a well known human rights advocates. He went to prison and almost died standing up for what he believes, peacefully. Period.

Eskinder is not a Fano. And he has never been. At this point in his life, he can’t be a soldier let alone leading the soldiers.

Habtamu Ayalew and Ermias Legesse, once again, are trying to be the owners of the Amharas struggle which they have never believed in with a welfare cheque from a burger shop in DC.

All of a sudden the struggle has stopped and all issues are diverted to grab the momentum of the cause towards Eskinder Nega. What a shame.
OK start fighting for Ethiopia without using the Amhara people as a means to serve your purpose. Let Eskinder start fighting for the cause from The Southern part of Ethiopia. Get out of messing up the Amharas struggle. Let the organic struggle of Fano evolve.
I agree with all the positive accolades attributed to him. While he might not be physically fit to crawl up hills or be a skilled shooter, he possesses a fighting spirit for freedom. Fighting for freedom isn't exclusively about shooting; it involves many components, including strategic, tactical, and political elements.

He doesn’t need a leadership position to take over the Amhara struggle or to hand it over to the so-called Ethiopianists. His deep belief in addressing the suffering and ethnic cleansing of the Amhara people led him to join the Fanos. If the Amhara Fanos exclude all so-called Ethiopianists, they will eventually need to solve their problems as Ethiopians—there's no other way to achieve a lasting solution.

I would have preferred if critics addressed specific arguments he has made and demonstrated where any fallacies might lie, but most cannot. If he hinders the Amhara struggle in any way, he shouldn’t be part of it. However, I believe he is a great asset to the Fanos and the Amhara struggle, as he understands the challenges faced by the Amhara people more than any of the heroic Fano leaders.

I share your disdain for the so-called Ethiopianists who have exploited the Amhara people for political gain, only to abandon them once in power. But we shouldn’t paint all Ethiopianists with the same brush. I believe Eskinder is a principled man who genuinely wants to help the Amhara people and is willing to sacrifice his life for them.

Given his principled stance on all important national issues, he should be accepted by the Fanos. The role he plays should be up to them. In whatever capacity they find him suitable, he will serve them well. I've heard arguments from some Fano leaders who oppose Eskinder, but they don't offer convincing reasons why he shouldn't be involved. Instead, they resort to threats, calling him "Banda this, Banda that." I wish they would direct all their energy and focus against the real enemies of the Amhara people.

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Misraq » 27 Aug 2024, 00:07

Fvck Eskinder, the little lizard. He is undoing the Amhara struggle. Mark my words, this guy will not have a good future

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Tigray People » 27 Aug 2024, 00:07

Tgaa

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Aita Iskinder is a teenager compared to TDF commanders, generals who are in their 70s climbing mountains to shoot invaders and marching thousands of miles to crushed the invaders to the door step of Addis Ababa 2 years ago.

Hence Iskinder is a teenager compared to the TDF/TPLF military generals.

He can fight if he got the hearts.

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Tigray People » 27 Aug 2024, 00:44

TGAA

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Below video on YouTube shows the TDF commander's General Tadesse,Migeby,and many more of them heading to the battlefield 2 years ago.

The Republic of Tigray People!!!


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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Right » 27 Aug 2024, 00:52

he possesses a fighting spirit for freedom. Fighting for freedom isn't exclusively about shooting; it involves many components, including strategic, tactical, and political elements.
I have no idea what the above statement implies to. Look, Eskinder created many organizations including Balderas and United Front, he can prove his strategical, tactical and political elements by building those organizations. Instead of messing up with Fano. If they need his help they will ask him. The rest is manipulative street talk.
He doesn’t need a leadership position to take over the Amhara struggle or to hand it over to the so-called Ethiopianists. His deep belief in addressing the suffering and ethnic cleansing of the Amhara people led him to join the Fanos. If the Amhara Fanos exclude all so-called Ethiopianists, they will eventually need to solve their problems as Ethiopians—there's no other way to achieve a lasting solution.p
The Amhara Fanos don’t need to be lectured about Ethiopia. The Amharas have seen all these so called Ethiopianists the BERHANU Nega’s and the Andy Tsigies. Have seen all those ethiopanist leaders: Menigstu, Melese and now this clown they all have a common goal: using and hurting the Amharas. Fano doesn’t have time in including and excluding supporters. Those who want to support can do it independently without any incentives, certainly not as a leader of Fano.
I share your disdain for the so-called Ethiopianists who have exploited the Amhara people for political gain, only to abandon them once in power. But we shouldn’t paint all Ethiopianists with the same brush. I believe Eskinder is a principled man who genuinely wants to help the Amhara people and is willing to sacrifice his life for them.
Given his principled stance on all important national issues, he should be accepted by the Fanos. The role he plays should be up to them. In whatever capacity they find him suitable, he will serve them well. I've heard arguments from some Fano leaders who oppose Eskinder, but they don't offer convincing reasons why he shouldn't be involved. Instead, they resort to threats, calling him "Banda this, Banda that." I wish they would direct all their energy and focus against the real enemies of the Amhara people.
As I said, Eskinder better leave Fano alone and build his Balderas to help Ethiopia. Why is he so stubborn to stick around Fano despite his presence created so many tensions and distraction? If he is genuine, then would have rejected being a source of trouble. We already lost commander Assegid and the latest news is that commander Meketaw is on his way out.

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Odie » 27 Aug 2024, 01:28

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by TGAA » 27 Aug 2024, 01:54

Misraq wrote:
27 Aug 2024, 00:07
Fvck Eskinder, the little lizard. He is undoing the Amhara struggle. Mark my words, this guy will not have a good future
Don't blame Eskinder for the failures of the Zemene Mesafint aspirants, who are focused on building garrisons instead of creating a unified front to confront their killers. Some of them are so preoccupied with smearing Eskinder that they've forgotten why they started fighting in the first place. Eskinder has done as much for the cause of Amhara as anyone else.

Focus on the Amhara people, who have been relegated to less than second-class citizens in their own country, rather than smearing a person of unvarnished principle. Even if you call him a lizard, Eskinder stands with the Amhara, willing to die alongside them. Meanwhile, the real enemy continues to kill and uproot Amharas, yet this is being religated as none issue . Paranoia and hate are not strategies to win the struggle.At last : Ermias , Habtamu , are not Eskender .

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Right » 27 Aug 2024, 12:59

TGAA,
You are worshiping Eskinder Nega. That is your problem.
You are asking others to focus on the cause but then you turn around and ridicule the fighters.
Who hold your hand to create your own organization and lead it the way you want it? Instead of bashing Fano warriors for refusing to accept Eskinder Nega to be their boss.
Re-read your comment and see how you look down and underestimate the very people who started it all.

Eskinder Nega made a huge and an unforgivable mistake.
He invited Ermias Legesse, Habtamu Ayalew and the likes of you in the affairs of Fano to influence and manipulate to be in charge of Fano. Thank god it backfired.

That was exactly how Birhanu Nega manipulated and influenced followers all the way to PP’S cage.
I am 100% sure if we look at your background, you may have been Dr Nega’s foot soldier during the Kinjit& G7 era.

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Noble Amhara » 27 Aug 2024, 13:08

Eske balde-ras

Gojjam Zemene vs Eskender on the way

By the way Eskender Nega is hiding in northern Shewa near Antsokiya/Menz area and using Shewa teklay gezat against Shewa Ez

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Abere » 27 Aug 2024, 14:21

I read a lot of rant and yelling flying around at patriot Eskindir Nega but none against those who localized their vision only for the sprint. Those localist are visionless and their fight for freedom is a hogwash. And their cadres instead of raising the awareness of their local or provincial separatist forces and narrow down their difference with the Majority Fano of Eskidnir Nega, they are doubling down on the foolhardy path of self-extinction. When run out of factual evidences and debating on substances they tend to deflect by fabrications, character assassination, ranting against the principled freedom fighter, Eskindir Nega.

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by TGAA » 27 Aug 2024, 15:58

Right wrote:
27 Aug 2024, 12:59
TGAA,
You are worshiping Eskinder Nega. That is your problem.
You are asking others to focus on the cause but then you turn around and ridicule the fighters.
Who hold your hand to create your own organization and lead it the way you want it? Instead of bashing Fano warriors for refusing to accept Eskinder Nega to be their boss.
Re-read your comment and see how you look down and underestimate the very people who started it all.

Eskinder Nega made a huge and an unforgivable mistake.
He invited Ermias Legesse, Habtamu Ayalew and the likes of you in the affairs of Fano to influence and manipulate to be in charge of Fano. Thank god it backfired.

That was exactly how Birhanu Nega manipulated and influenced followers all the way to PP’S cage.
I am 100% sure if we look at your background, you may have been Dr Nega’s foot soldier during the Kinjit& G7 era.
Right,I don't worship mortal men and women; that should be reserved exclusively for honoring the divine. Mortal men are weak and frail, so the only way to judge them is not by what they say, but by what they do. Eskinder, with all his human frailty, is a person who has consistently demonstrated his principled stance on issue after issue. Does he make mistakes? Yes, he does, but everything he does starts from a good place, and that is quite enough for me.

Of everything you wrote, not one sentence argues against the principles he holds dear. You mention Berhanu, Habtamu, and Ermias. These individuals have their own checkered pasts, and we know them, for better or worse. But mentioning these names does not equate to a verdict on Eskinder.

I'm not looking down on Fano heroes. As much as you may downplay Eskinder’s fighting skills, which most Fano leaders have, he has equal or greater wisdom in politics. He studied it, and he has practiced it. You need to recognize this, as there's a shortage of such wisdom.
You will appreciate it once you take into consideration the tricky nature of the "convince and confuse" crowd you have to deal with in the end. You fight wars heroically, but you settle them with wisdom. If you don't have the latter, the former is for naught.

I am not belittling anyone; I am stating the facts on the ground. As for me being a foot soldier for Berhanu or anyone else, let me state this: I always hold hope for anything that shows promise. But it usually doesn't take me long to recognize spineless and opportunistic politicians. Berhanu, Ermias, and Co. have done more damage to the Ethiopianist agenda than the TPLF and OPDO combined.

So, come up with a pointed argument that I can follow, rather than making unsubstantiated claims and baselessly smearing Eskinder. That doesn't benefit the Amharas you claim to stand for.

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Wedi » 27 Aug 2024, 16:19

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Re: The thinking mind of Eskender.

Post by Right » 27 Aug 2024, 23:32

TGAA,
I like your candour and civil discourse in discussing issues concerning the suffering people of Amhara.
No one is disputing the commitment and sacrifices of Eskinder Nega to our country Ethiopia. However, Fano the only protector of the Amhara people is waging a defensive war against PP in all 4 parts of the Amhara region. It is a homegrown movement and commanded by homegrown talent and in no way is open for take over.
Eskinder Nega is within his right to demand a leadership role, nothing is wrong with that. And the local commanders are also in their own right for what ever reason to resist a takeover. Them too has an opinion, a goal and responsibility. They are not a slave soldiers to anyone.

In my view Eskinder made 3 unforgivable mistakes:
1. It would have been acceptable for Eskinder to address this crucial issue with Fano leaders and accept their defiance and move on. Instead he doubled down.
He brought toxic YouTube elements and PP cadres in the mix to influence his differences with Fano in his favour.

2. He used the money contributed to Fano to buy influences by giving the money to the groups he allied. Breach of trust.

3. He just can’t move on beyond Fano despite his strategy has backfired miserably.
Given his principled stance on all important national issues, he should be accepted by the Fanos. The role he plays should be up to them. In whatever capacity they find him suitable, he will serve them well. I've heard arguments from some Fano leaders who oppose Eskinder, but they don't offer convincing reasons why he shouldn't be involved. Instead, they resort to threats, calling him "Banda this, Banda that." I wish they would direct all their energy and focus against the real enemies of the Amhara people.
As your opinion above suggested, you too can’t move on beyond Fano. But Fano has moved on despite a relentless smear campaign by the YouTubers that are allied with him. Look, Eskinder has created so many organizations. Balderas and United Front are notably the most populars.
Why can’t he concentrate on those organizations than forcing himself against rejection.
Let him move on and earn it somewhere else. It is not the end of the world.
Let them go their separate ways and work for a future alliance when it is earned. Cheers.

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