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ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 06:39
by sarcasm
What is the logic behind why Habtamu repeatedly tried to highlight Girma's grandfather's name?
Is Habtamu an Oromo person for Minalachew?
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 09:11
by Abere
sarcasm
አፍራሳ የአማራዎች ስም ነው። ልክ ይመር የሚል የአማራዎች ስም እንደሆነ። በበርካታ የአማራ አካባቢዎች በወሎ፤በጎንደር ይህ ስም የተለመደ ነው እንደ ዛሬ ዳዊት፤ዮናስ፤ እዮብ እያለ አዳሜ ለልጁ ስም ሳያወጣ።
ለምሳሌ ዳራር እና ደራርቱ አንድ አይነት ስም የመስላሉ። ትግሬዎች ድራር ብለው ልጃቸውን ስም ይሰጣሉ፤ ኦሮሞዎች ደራርቱ። የተለያዩ ነገሮች ናቸው ግን ስም ያለው ሞኝ አይነት ደራርቱ ድራር ነኝ ልትል ትችላለች ወይም ድራር እንሁ።
የነገር ቀዳዳ ፈልገህ ሾከክ ማለት ትፈልጋለህ - ውሻ በቀደደው ጅብ ይገባል አይነት። የጎሳ ግጭት ለማናፈስ ነው ይህ ሁሉ መሽሎክሎክ።
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 09:30
by sarcasm
Abere wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 09:11
ለምሳሌ ዳራር እና ደራርቱ አንድ አይነት ስም የመስላሉ። ትግሬዎች ድራር ብለው ልጃቸውን ስም ይሰጣሉ፤ ኦሮሞዎች ደራርቱ። የተለያዩ ነገሮች ናቸው ግን ስም ያለው ሞኝ አይነት ደራርቱ ድራር ነኝ ልትል ትችላለች ወይም ድራር እንሁ።
Hi Abere,
I used to think the ድራር name is related to "dinner (the last meal of the day / the last child of the family) " (ድራር in Tigrigna means እራት / dinner). I know two ድራርs and they are both last-born in their families. I used to think the name ድራር is similar to the name "ይርጋ አለም". Is the oromo word ደራርቱ related to the word dinner?
I believe "ይርጋ አለም" is usually given to the last-born in the family.
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 10:08
by Abere
Hello sarcasm,
That is what I am asking. Names may sound similar but they could convey different meanings. There could be many places in the different parts of the world that sound the same, but are different both in place and meaning. In the context of Ethiopia, trying to decipher names is simply a waste of time - serves no purpose. Next time, thugs like misraq will encourage, whatever separatist thug leader she envisioned, forcing individuals to carry ID card with blood/DNA test - as if Ethiopians were alien to one another. The similarity and differences ( if any difference at all) is engraved on the faces of Ethiopians. Can any one ( without pre-hand information) identify Jawar or Bekele/Gerba are Oromo, Tigre, Amhara, Adere? No. That person should be only lair Misraq. It is not only names that shares across or resemble one another, even objects do have. For instance, Qershi(,ቀርሽ), is an Oromo and Tigre word; Sanduq (ሣንዱቅ) is both an Oromo and Tigre word.
The question is why talking about people while they are talking ideas? Only losers whine and smear names when they fail to stand against their idea. I am not saying I am fan of Habtamu Ayale, but I am totally against people who attempts to divide us. Ethiopia so far became weak be cause we divide, if division proved that we are weak, then unity is the ideal solution.
Ethiopia cannot take any more any tribal sect and division. I know you are a die-hard separatist, you have your own ethnic ideology. What I know fore sure is, you will outlive your tribal ideology and face the opposite reality in your life time. It is unfolding as we hear the news TPLF is totally dismissed from the land-scape of politics. You know what that means - the mother of tribalism is dead. The joke it should be conceived and be born from Zero, just like an infant of 0-year age, heralds the official death of Woyane and Tigray is about to free.
sarcasm wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 09:30
Abere wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 09:11
ለምሳሌ ዳራር እና ደራርቱ አንድ አይነት ስም የመስላሉ። ትግሬዎች ድራር ብለው ልጃቸውን ስም ይሰጣሉ፤ ኦሮሞዎች ደራርቱ። የተለያዩ ነገሮች ናቸው ግን ስም ያለው ሞኝ አይነት ደራርቱ ድራር ነኝ ልትል ትችላለች ወይም ድራር እንሁ።
Hi Abere,
I used to think the ድራር name is related to "dinner (the last meal of the day / the last child of the family) " (ድራር in Tigrigna means እራት / dinner). I know two ድራርs and they are both last-born in their families. I used to think the name ድራር is similar to the name "ይርጋ አለም". Is the oromo word ደራርቱ related to the word dinner?
I believe "ይርጋ አለም" is usually given to the last-born in the family.
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 11:00
by sarcasm
Abere wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 10:08
Hello sarcasm,
That is what I am asking. Names may sound similar but they could convey different meanings. There could be many places in the different parts of the world that sound the same, but are different both in place and meaning. In the context of Ethiopia, trying to decipher names is simply a waste of time - serves no purpose. Next time, thugs like misraq will encourage, whatever separatist thug leader she envisioned, forcing individuals to carry ID card with blood/DNA test - as if Ethiopians were alien to one another. The similarity and differences ( if any difference at all) is engraved on the faces of Ethiopians. Can any one ( without pre-hand information) identify Jawar or Bekele/Gerba are Oromo, Tigre, Amhara, Adere? No. That person should be only lair Misraq. It is not only names that shares across or resemble one another, even objects do have. For instance, Qershi(,ቀርሽ), is an Oromo and Tigre word; Sanduq (ሣንዱቅ) is both an Oromo and Tigre word.
The question is why talking about people while they are talking ideas? Only losers whine and smear names when they fail to stand against their idea. I am not saying I am fan of Habtamu Ayale, but I am totally against people who attempts to divide us. Ethiopia so far became weak be cause we divide, if division proved that we are weak, then unity is the ideal solution.
Ethiopia cannot take any more any tribal sect and division. I know you are a die-hard separatist, you have your own ethnic ideology. What I know fore sure is, you will outlive your tribal ideology and face the opposite reality in your life time. It is unfolding as we hear the news TPLF is totally dismissed from the land-scape of politics. You know what that means - the mother of tribalism is dead. The joke it should be conceived and be born from Zero, just like an infant of 0-year age, heralds the official death of Woyane and Tigray is about to free.
Hi Abere,
You keep calling the federalist forces secessionist (ተገንጣይ) which is wrong. There is no "secessionist vs unionist" divisions in the current Ethiopian political disagreement. That division existed in Eritrea between 1940s and 1991. Such division also exists in Northern Ireland where parties are identifies as unionist or secessionist / republican.
The current political division is between Ethiopianists (አሃዳዊ) vs Federalists. Fano is a Federalist force. They want PP out of Amhara. They also want to represent Amhara interests in the future dialogue with the rest of 80 plus constituents of Ethiopia.
As you can see in the below quote,
self-rule is the most fundamental request of the federalists. You must stop calling ተገንጣይ anyone is demanding self-rule.
MINILIK wrote: ↑16 Jul 2024, 16:49
we want government troops to leave the Amhara region so we can govern our own land.
Ok, let's assume that there are also Ethiopianist Fanos. There are also non-Ethiopianist Fanos (
Remember Zemene said "our differences are ideological"?)
Now the question to you is: What will you do to the non-Ethiopianist Fanos if they say: "We are not Ethiopianist forces. We are federalist forces fighting for Amhara causes. "?
Will you join forces with PP and fight against Federalist Fanos? What will you do to the non-Ethiopianist Fanos?
On unrelated note, I think አሬሮ came from Tigrigna name ሓረሮ - what the Greeks used to call "burned face" ሓረሮ-ገጾም” . Could Girma Yeshitla be Tigre?
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 11:32
by DefendTheTruth
sarcasm,
for what ever reason you seem to have a soft spot on your heart for the ragtag. It has openly and clearly said on multiple occasions that its goal is to reclaim the place of "their fathers" (አላማችን የአባቶቻችን ቤተመንግስት መግባት ነዉ፣ ድርድር የምኖረዉ ስልጣኑን በፍቃዳቸዉ ለአማራዉ ከስረከቡ ብቻ ነዉ።).
Telling the truth is the beginning of any meaningful discussion, be with a descent human or a kind of your conversation partner here, who is actually a man of "the ox has given a birth" (በሬ ወለደ).
sarcasm wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 11:00
Abere wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 10:08
Hello sarcasm,
That is what I am asking. Names may sound similar but they could convey different meanings. There could be many places in the different parts of the world that sound the same, but are different both in place and meaning. In the context of Ethiopia, trying to decipher names is simply a waste of time - serves no purpose. Next time, thugs like misraq will encourage, whatever separatist thug leader she envisioned, forcing individuals to carry ID card with blood/DNA test - as if Ethiopians were alien to one another. The similarity and differences ( if any difference at all) is engraved on the faces of Ethiopians. Can any one ( without pre-hand information) identify Jawar or Bekele/Gerba are Oromo, Tigre, Amhara, Adere? No. That person should be only lair Misraq. It is not only names that shares across or resemble one another, even objects do have. For instance, Qershi(,ቀርሽ), is an Oromo and Tigre word; Sanduq (ሣንዱቅ) is both an Oromo and Tigre word.
The question is why talking about people while they are talking ideas? Only losers whine and smear names when they fail to stand against their idea. I am not saying I am fan of Habtamu Ayale, but I am totally against people who attempts to divide us. Ethiopia so far became weak be cause we divide, if division proved that we are weak, then unity is the ideal solution.
Ethiopia cannot take any more any tribal sect and division. I know you are a die-hard separatist, you have your own ethnic ideology. What I know fore sure is, you will outlive your tribal ideology and face the opposite reality in your life time. It is unfolding as we hear the news TPLF is totally dismissed from the land-scape of politics. You know what that means - the mother of tribalism is dead. The joke it should be conceived and be born from Zero, just like an infant of 0-year age, heralds the official death of Woyane and Tigray is about to free.
Hi Abere,
You keep calling the federalist forces secessionist (ተገንጣይ) which is wrong. There is no "secessionist vs unionist" divisions in the current Ethiopian political disagreement. That division existed in Eritrea between 1940s and 1991. Such division also exists in Northern Ireland where parties are identifies as unionist or secessionist / republican.
The current political division is between Ethiopianists (አሃዳዊ) vs Federalists. Fano is a Federalist force. They want PP out of Amhara. They also want to represent Amhara interests in the future dialogue with the rest of 80 plus constituents of Ethiopia.
As you can see in the below quote,
self-rule is the most fundamental request of the federalists. You must stop calling ተገንጣይ anyone is demanding self-rule.
MINILIK wrote: ↑16 Jul 2024, 16:49
we want government troops to leave the Amhara region so we can govern our own land.
Ok, let's assume that there are also Ethiopianist Fanos. There are also non-Ethiopianist Fanos (
Remember Zemene said "our differences are ideological"?)
Now the question to you is: What will you do to the non-Ethiopianist Fanos if they say: "We are not Ethiopianist forces. We are federalist forces fighting for Amhara causes. "?
Will you join forces with PP and fight against Federalist Fanos? What will you do to the non-Ethiopianist Fanos?
On unrelated note, I think አሬሮ came from Tigrigna name ሓረሮ - what the Greeks used to call "burned face" ሓረሮ-ገጾም” . Could Girma Yeshitla be Tigre?
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 12:01
by Abere
sarcasm,
___ You are plagued by the misnomer: Everyone calling himself herself or this group or that group is not necessarily Fano. There are flies ( Be'Aden Fano" and bees ( Real Fano). Thus, you have not framed your inquiry or dialogue in the context of Real Fano, the continued legacy of the historic Fano who fought Fascist Italy and tore a part their ambitious tribe-based divisive map of Ethiopia.
___ The true meaning of Federalism is not against Unitary system. The chemistry by which a Federalism created is not what TPLF or OLF are trying to forcefully push the throats of the people. There is no chemistry in the case of OLF/TPLF's own so-called federalism. A mono- criterion based process it does not involve the conventional or commonly accepted chemistry of establishing Federalism in Ethiopia. I my self do not oppose federalism, but I do not accept TPLF's/OLF's mono-ethnic (which unfederal system). It has to be towed away.
___ The discussion and debate regarding which is relevant or effective for political governance and sustainable development is a civil agenda that comes after the demolition of the Unfederal system of TPLF's/OLF's own "tribal federal".
___ As to your curiosity of አሬሮ potentially be from Tigrigna name ሓረሮ implying ሓረሮ-ገጾም, I would say practically it is impossible to make distinctions of origin of words of Tgrigna and Amharic. In Amharic too አረረ ፤ አራራ ለምሳሌ እንደ አሻሮ ፊቱ ያረረ ወይም ምጣዱ ላይ እንጀራው አረረ፤ ወጡ ድስቱ አረረ ይባላል። I think as most Tigres listen Amharic, Amhara's do although do not speak it can better guess what a Tigre is talking. It is not applicable for the most part. For instance, Tadesse is more commonly is an Amharic name, but it is also a Tigre word. I think we have to stop this silly tribe based labeling - we have to live as civilized people.
sarcasm wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 11:00
You keep calling the federalist forces secessionist (ተገንጣይ) which is wrong. There is no "secessionist vs unionist" divisions in the current Ethiopian political disagreement. That division existed in Eritrea between 1940s and 1991. Such division also exists in Northern Ireland where parties are identifies as unionist or secessionist / republican.
The current political division is between Ethiopianists (አሃዳዊ) vs Federalists. Fano is a Federalist force. They want PP out of Amhara. They also want to represent Amhara interests in the future dialogue with the rest of 80 plus constituents of Ethiopia.
As you can see in the below quote,
self-rule is the most fundamental request of the federalists. You must stop calling ተገንጣይ anyone is demanding self-rule.
MINILIK wrote: ↑16 Jul 2024, 16:49
we want government troops to leave the Amhara region so we can govern our own land.
Ok, let's assume that there are also Ethiopianist Fanos. There are also non-Ethiopianist Fanos (
Remember Zemene said "our differences are ideological"?)
Now the question to you is: What will you do to the non-Ethiopianist Fanos if they say: "We are not Ethiopianist forces. We are federalist forces fighting for Amhara causes. "?
Will you join forces with PP and fight against Federalist Fanos? What will you do to the non-Ethiopianist Fanos?
On unrelated note, I think አሬሮ came from Tigrigna name ሓረሮ - what the Greeks used to call "burned face" ሓረሮ-ገጾም” . Could Girma Yeshitla be Tigre?
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 12:43
by Misraq
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 12:55
by Abere
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 13:00
by Selam/
ጎሣን መሰረት ያደረገ ስድብና ብልግና የሚፅፍም የሚናገርም ወራዳና አናሳ ነው!
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 13:58
by Right
For the unconscious folks there is no end to identification politics. It is only where you start. People may think it will stop at ethnic level. No. In Somalia it’s at a clan level. And then gradually will go down to the neighborhood level. Always accompanied by anger and knives.
Habtamu Ayalew, Abebe Belew and Ermias Legesse- maybe for rating purposes or personal agendas, they are dividing and messing up people’s brain.
They don’t have the journalistic skills, they are not deep into politics but they have created a bubble that will help them make a living. Of course at the expense of the gullible.if you listen to them you would think FANO is their private army.
And today I have learned where Habtamu Ayalew originated from as if it means anything. He may be a distant cousin of Lidetu Ayalew.
And Abebe Belew is doing his best to imitate Anderson Copper of CNN. Good Lord.
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 31 Jul 2024, 21:40
by eden
Selam/ wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 13:00
ጎሣን መሰረት ያደረገ ስድብና ብልግና የሚፅፍም የሚናገርም ወራዳና አናሳ ነው!
ስም ለመጥቀስ ፈራ ተባ አልክሳ lol
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 01 Aug 2024, 06:00
by sarcasm
Abere wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 12:01
___ The true meaning of Federalism is not against Unitary system. The chemistry by which a Federalism created is not what TPLF or OLF are trying to forcefully push the throats of the people. There is no chemistry in the case of OLF/TPLF's own so-called federalism. A mono- criterion based process it does not involve the conventional or commonly accepted chemistry of establishing Federalism in Ethiopia. I my self do not oppose federalism, but I do not accept TPLF's/OLF's mono-ethnic (which unfederal system). It has to be towed away.
Hi Abere,
The regions were not organized on a 'mono- criterion based process'. There were 4 criteria, namely; “on the basis of the settlement patterns, language, identity, and consent of the people.” You and I do not know the relative weight given to the various criteria in the creation of regional states.
The drafters are alive and I have not seen a detailed breakdown of to what extent the criteria were applied in each woreda and awraja. I suspect derg time woredas continued without major changes. The regions were also originally called, region 1, region 2 etc. The regions themselves called themselves Oromia, Amhara etc. Regions can also re-organize themselves if they agree a better delimitation.
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 01 Aug 2024, 06:28
by sarcasm
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 11:32
sarcasm,
for what ever reason you seem to have a soft spot on your heart for the ragtag. It has openly and clearly said on multiple occasions that its goal is to reclaim the place of "their fathers" (አላማችን የአባቶቻችን ቤተመንግስት መግባት ነዉ፣ ድርድር የምኖረዉ ስልጣኑን በፍቃዳቸዉ ለአማራዉ ከስረከቡ ብቻ ነዉ።).
Telling the truth is the beginning of any meaningful discussion, be with a descent human or a kind of your conversation partner here, who is actually a man of "the ox has given a birth" (በሬ ወለደ).
Hi Defend,
I do remember the pipe dream Shaleq Dawit and Eskindir were trying to sell by saying "እኛ የምንፈልገው ስርዓት በኛ term በኛ condition እንመሰርታለን" and “አማራ አማራ የሚሸት መንግሥት". I don't think any Fano believes that for a second now. What I hear from Fano currently is calling for a respect for autonomy and negotiating with other Ethiopians on common agenda. I think it is important for the government to open the door for a meaningful discussion based on respecting the constitutional arrangement.
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 01 Aug 2024, 09:01
by Misraq
eden wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 21:40
Selam/ wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 13:00
ጎሣን መሰረት ያደረገ ስድብና ብልግና የሚፅፍም የሚናገርም ወራዳና አናሳ ነው!
ስም ለመጥቀስ ፈራ ተባ አልክሳ lol
In principle, Selam is correct. But in practice, you will have to respond for every hater out there. If you follow Selam's theory, you will end up being mother theresa and everyone will abuse you. That is what happened to Amhara. When they insult you, you insult them back and put them in line
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 01 Aug 2024, 09:58
by DefendTheTruth
Hi sarcasm,
I grew up in a community where the elders used to arbitrate between parties when ever there is a dispute of some kind. Arbitration of the elders is not just arbitrary, it is based on a basic tenet of justice: ዱጋን ከን ዋቃ ቲ (which is sort of truth is for the creators sake), they are very careful not to distort the truth. Before they ask the parties to settle their differences, they try to get to the root cause of the dispute and identify the party with the truth, after which the next step is reparation of the damage caused, if viable. If the party found not to be in a position for the redress, then it is not compelled to bring it anyway. Main thing is that it has to acknowledge the damage incurred and recognize the truth is with party on the other side of the dispute, which the elders found out.
I think the elders are acting in the best interest of their consciousness, there is now way that they simply say to both parties አንተም ተዉ፣ አንተም ተዉ! This is not in the best interest of the truth, the justice.
Like you used to call for the same during the TPLF- Ethiopian government war your version of the truth is አንተም ተዉ፣ አንተም ተዉ!, treating both parties on the same scale. I hope you are handling to the best of your own consciousness in this regard.
If the government has overstepped its responsibility of administering the affairs of the people, then it should be held accountable for its missteps, for the peace to be sustainable. If it is the ragtag which raised its arms and hurt the national defense force of the country, then this should also be held accountable. It has to present its case to win the truth.
So far what we have learned in this regard is to be allowed to arm itself outside of the command structure of the nation and be treated differently, so that it can impose its wishes on the rest unimpeded. It wanted to reclaim the palace of its forefathers and fathers. It openly declared it shouldn't be treated equally in the current federal system, it has refused to abide itself by the current constitution of the nation, it wanted to create its own and impose on the rest and for that it has to topple the government in office by means of violence.
Now you demanding from the government to ready itself for a dialog with a party that has not even recognized it as a legitimate government. It is your wish but I am not on that boat with you.
I am a man of order, not because I am phobic against anybody but because I am for equality for all, which could ensure peace for the future.
Any way, did the ragtag readied itself for any form of dialog to settle its issues in a civilized way, before we could demand from the government to do the same?
sarcasm wrote: ↑01 Aug 2024, 06:28
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Jul 2024, 11:32
sarcasm,
for what ever reason you seem to have a soft spot on your heart for the ragtag. It has openly and clearly said on multiple occasions that its goal is to reclaim the place of "their fathers" (አላማችን የአባቶቻችን ቤተመንግስት መግባት ነዉ፣ ድርድር የምኖረዉ ስልጣኑን በፍቃዳቸዉ ለአማራዉ ከስረከቡ ብቻ ነዉ።).
Telling the truth is the beginning of any meaningful discussion, be with a descent human or a kind of your conversation partner here, who is actually a man of "the ox has given a birth" (በሬ ወለደ).
Hi Defend,
I do remember the pipe dream Shaleq Dawit and Eskindir were trying to sell by saying "እኛ የምንፈልገው ስርዓት በኛ term በኛ condition እንመሰርታለን" and “አማራ አማራ የሚሸት መንግሥት". I don't think any Fano believes that for a second now. What I hear from Fano currently is calling for a respect for autonomy and negotiating with other Ethiopians on common agenda. I think it is important for the government to open the door for a meaningful discussion based on respecting the constitutional arrangement.
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 01 Aug 2024, 11:24
by Abere
Hello sarcasm,
It is conspicuously evident that the TPLF/OLF "federal system" is Ethnic based. When this system ( entirely pre-hand tailored while TPLF was in the jungle ) failed, OLF/TPLF cadres are looking for a scraps or bits things under the rock After the Fact. No, the ill-fated ethnic "federal system" was solely tailored for two ethnic groups ( Tigre and Oromo) about whom TPLF and OLF, respectively were deputies themselves as their vanguards. An after the fact triage does not reflect the true original intent of TPLF/OLF, this an effort to deny for not admitting the fact. An accidental presence of a bit of intersection of events under the venin diagram does not mean things followed conventional standards or reasonably or proportionately taken into account - and all sections of the society held consensus. What exactly happened was, a pre-define "ethnic federalism" brought from the jungle installed on Ethiopian. 
It is so funny to say the Kemissie area people are not psychologically, economically, culturally, etc. different from Wolo while their fabric is deeply rooted. Let's not be hypocrite, if the country wants to heal from tribalism, this monster has to be towed away and let the country function just like a country. It is imperative for the country to have working system of governance structure.
sarcasm wrote: ↑01 Aug 2024, 06:00
Hi Abere,
The regions were not organized on a 'mono- criterion based process'. There were 4 criteria, namely; “on the basis of the settlement patterns, language, identity, and consent of the people.” You and I do not know the relative weight given to the various criteria in the creation of regional states.
The drafters are alive and I have not seen a detailed breakdown of to what extent the criteria were applied in each woreda and awraja. I suspect derg time woredas continued without major changes. The regions were also originally called, region 1, region 2 etc. The regions themselves called themselves Oromia, Amhara etc. Regions can also re-organize themselves if they agree a better delimitation.
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 01 Aug 2024, 11:29
by Union
ጋላ
You finally came out of your closet
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 02 Aug 2024, 19:20
by sarcasm
Hi Defend,
All cultures have reconciliations and arbitrations based on justice, truth and fairness. There's is a saying in Tigrigna ካብታ ብሕጊ ዝኸደት በቅለይሲ እተን ብዘይ ሕጊ ዝኸዳ ቆሎይ የሕማኒ። - I would rather lose a mule legally / in justice than some roasted grain unjustly. I am sure all other cultures have similar proverbs.
አንተም ተዉ፣ አንተም ተዉ is not the sort of justice and accountability I have been campaigning for. I also understand the difficulty of getting people on political office to get them to agree on full accountability. I have written in detail about the subject in my tread entitled
Can we realistically expect to resolve the conflict & ensure Abiy&Co are accountable for their crimes at the same time?
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑01 Aug 2024, 09:58
It openly declared it shouldn't be treated equally in the current federal system, it has refused to abide itself by the current constitution of the nation, it wanted to create its own and impose on the rest and for that it has to topple the government in office by means of violence.
I regards to law and order in Ethiopia, it seems that you are forgetting a federal state has annexed constitutional territory of a neighboring federal state with the support of the federal government. This federal state is
unconstitutionally forcefully administering areas outside its own constitution! There is no law and order in Ethiopia!
When the state is supporting illegal unconstitutional activities of one region over another region, the moral high ground is lost! Do you think the Amhara Regional government has any moral and legal high ground over Fano when itself is exercising unconstitutional and illegal power because it believes 'might is right'? Do you think the Federal government has any moral high ground when itself is exercising unconstitutional and illegal power because of its actions that are driven by 'might is right'?
"A leader leads by example not by force." Sun Tzu
Re: ሃብታሙ አያሌው አፍራሳና ግርማ የሺጥላ አሬሮ
Posted: 03 Aug 2024, 06:05
by DefendTheTruth
sarcasm wrote: ↑02 Aug 2024, 19:20
Hi Defend,
All cultures have reconciliations and arbitrations based on justice, truth and fairness. There's is a saying in Tigrigna ካብታ ብሕጊ ዝኸደት በቅለይሲ እተን ብዘይ ሕጊ ዝኸዳ ቆሎይ የሕማኒ። - I would rather lose a mule legally / in justice than some roasted grain unjustly. I am sure all other cultures have similar proverbs.
አንተም ተዉ፣ አንተም ተዉ is not the sort of justice and accountability I have been campaigning for. I also understand the difficulty of getting people on political office to get them to agree on full accountability. I have written in detail about the subject in my tread entitled
Can we realistically expect to resolve the conflict & ensure Abiy&Co are accountable for their crimes at the same time?
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑01 Aug 2024, 09:58
It openly declared it shouldn't be treated equally in the current federal system, it has refused to abide itself by the current constitution of the nation, it wanted to create its own and impose on the rest and for that it has to topple the government in office by means of violence.
I regards to law and order in Ethiopia, it seems that you are forgetting a federal state has annexed constitutional territory of a neighboring federal state with the support of the federal government. This federal state is
unconstitutionally forcefully administering areas outside its own constitution! There is no law and order in Ethiopia!
When the state is supporting illegal unconstitutional activities of one region over another region, the moral high ground is lost! Do you think the Amhara Regional government has any moral and legal high ground over Fano when itself is exercising unconstitutional and illegal power because it believes 'might is right'? Do you think the Federal government has any moral high ground when itself is exercising unconstitutional and illegal power because of its actions that are driven by 'might is right'?
"A leader leads by example not by force." Sun Tzu
Hi sarcasm,
I think you became a champion of constitutionality and rule of law, which is a great progress here. It would have been even better if that did happen to you in the years around 2020 and 2021, when TPLF insurgency was in full swing.
Well, my friend it is easy to demand one's right in accordance to the constitution and raise claims over one's territories, which a party considers its own.
One thing you forget hereby is the fact that once you opted for the rule of lawlessness you also have chosen the relegation of those rights into the might is right. TPLF declared war on the state, using mighty is right, and thereby lost its own territory, be that legitimate or not. And now you accuse other parties of occupying your territories by force. You opted for it and got it, is my view, which has no personal view on the parties of the dispute.
Fano is not under the command of the central government, now you shifted your blame on them, the start of this discussion was about how you got a softening stand on the entity. A moving target here?
Still I was the first on this forum in questioning the validity of Fano's use of force to reclaim "its lost territory" already during the war. Do you doubt?
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