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Abere wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 10:53

Ethnic Federalism Does NOT make a Country, it breaks a country and results ANARCHY.

Ethnic Federalism and A Viable Country (country without no going concern) are OLIL and WATER.

How many more years do you, retarded, people want to prove this? 50 solid years already proved that it is not working. Saw, how Tigray turned into ashes; and seen how war is raging in Amhara, Saw how Addis Ababa becomes a dangerous city to live and work,, saw how Wolega turned into a slaughtering house ( Qera).

Are Woyane and OLF Apes, and aspire an Ape society.

Ethnic Federalism Does NOT make a Country, it breaks a country and results ANARCHY.

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

Good observation!
Ethnic federalism is something that should even be labeled as:
“Dangerous not even try it”!

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

sarcasm wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 15:23

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

I don't know about Somalia, but Ethiopia has been a federalist system for 1000s years. The Neguse Negest system is an organic federalist system devised by Ancient Tigrayans in Axum. The core foundations of the system areautonomy, self-rule and respect for differences. Hence, the Abyssinia / Ethiopian Empire has always been a federalist arrangement.

ስርቆ ዝም!
ተራህን ጨርሳሃል!
ትላንት በሎም ስትል የነበርክ ዛሬ ስው አትምስል!

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Dama wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 15:32

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Can you give an example your model of federation?

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 16:01

Dama wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 15:32

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Can you give an example your model of federation?

Does Ethiopia really need federalism, in the first place? If yes, why?

We need to answer these first.

sarcasm wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 15:23

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

I don't know about Somalia, but Ethiopia has been a federalist system for 1000s years. The Neguse Negest system is an organic federalist system devised by Ancient Tigrayans in Axum. The core foundations of the system are autonomy, self-rule and respect for differences. Hence, the Abyssinia / Ethiopian Empire has always been a federalist arrangement.

The Neguse Negest system is a federalist system where the Neguses have autonomy on their territories and pay taxes to the Neguse Negest (federal government). The Neguse Negest looks after common defense and international relations. Actually, it looks like it was HSI who ended the federalist system when he fired the Neguses but still kept the Neguse Negest title. He introduced a centralized state system into a country that has always been a federalist structure. Mengistu continued the madness of a unitarist state structure which resulted in Eritrea's independence.

The Isaias, Abiy & Amhara Elite / fake 'Ethiopianist' alliance have plunged the country into another bloody war after 30 years of peace and world class economic growth in order to re-install a centralized / unitary state system and end the existing Constitutional Federalism. Tigray has single-handedly defeated the Alliance and forced PM Abiy & his PP to commit to keep Constitutional Federalism.

Prof Mesay Kebede explains hhow the federalist / Neguse Negest system was invented by ancient Tigrayans in Axum and how Haile Selassie I replaced the organic system with a centralized state system which is incompatible with a very large, diverse and populous Ethiopia.

Dama wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 16:14

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 16:01

Dama wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 15:32

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors.

In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works, to the extent that in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, in result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country. This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Can you give an example your model of federation?

Does Ethiopia really need federalism, in the first place? If yes, why?

We need to answer these first.

You answered your own question "yes" but not the right one. Give an example the right type of federalism.

Somaliman wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 08:51

The current predicaments with regard to the federal systems in Ethiopia and Somalia stem from the very fact that the introduction of federalism in both countries was a rushed decision made by individuals, rather than a general consensus among the populations, amongst other factors. In addition, most of people in both countries, including huge swathes of political actors, are not knowledgeable or well-informed about federalism and how it works.

..in both countries people are confusing a federal state with a country on its own and, as a result, federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country.This has paved the way for pressure and tendency for secession, instability, hostility between federal states and between the federal government and federal states, ethnic and clan divisions, etc.

Sadly, federalism is producing opposite results in both countries, defragmenting them, creating conflicts and tensions, power struggle, weakened state institutions, and leading them to a possible ultimate state collapse, which Somalia experienced in the not-too-distant past.

Federalism is a compromise between the federal government or central authority and the federal states in a country, and it's meant to provide different groups of people in different parts of a country with a way to live together in peace and harmony and develop their common country. There's absolutely nothing wrong with ethnic federalism and federalism in general, but I'm of the opinion that we're either not using the right user guide or user manual, or we're not following the instructions.

Affable wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2024, 10:38

For more than three decades Ethiopian politicians and cadres have tried to “teach” us about federalism. But to teach you should know the subject you are trying to teach. Still today, after all these years, I haven’t found a single Ethiopian politician of the governing party or a cadre who has convinced me about his/her knowing about federalism.
This writer seems to agree with me. He wrote “ federal states are behaving as if they were countries on their own, or countries within a country.” The best example the Tigray so called government.
As time goes by, as the old tribal politicians start dying one after another, however , the very definition of “federalism” they have used so long just to hold on their tribal political power will start to fade away. Their “glory” days are in the past.