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ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 28 May 2024, 18:26
by Misraq
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ይልህና ጋላ በጋላነት ተደራጅቶ እንዲህ ለ 12ኛ ግዜ አማራን ለማውደም ሲዘምት ዝም ይልና አማራ ለሕልውናው አማራነትን አንግቦ ሲንቀሳቀስ ቅር ይለዋል። ለአማራ ሕዝብ አንደኛ ጠላቱ ኢትዬጵያኒስቱ ሲሆን ሁለተኞቹ ጋላ እና ዓጋሜ ናቸው።
በነገራችን ላይ የዓጋሜ ቲዲፍ ተብየውም ምድብ ተሰጥቶት የመከላከያን ልብስ ለብሶም እየገባ ነው።
አማራ ግን ጠላቶቹን በሙሉ ያሸንፋል።
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 28 May 2024, 18:31
by Deqi-Arawit
if the Galla and the agame refused to call themselves Ethiopians, who are Ethiopians?
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 28 May 2024, 18:36
by Misraq
Deqi-Arawit wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 18:31
if the Galla and the agame refused to call themselves Ethiopians, who are Ethiopians?
Legit question. This is the challenge the Amhara resistance is facing. Some good for nothing talkatives want to shove Ethiopianism in the throat of Agames and Gallas using FANO as a foot soldier. The likes of Eskinders Nega, Andargachew Tsege and former Ginbot-7, ESAT crew whom Abiy Ahmed kicked out of his camp very recently.
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 28 May 2024, 18:38
by Union
Ascaro
Don't confuse the poor farmers with the cadres
ደደብ አስከሪ
እናንተን ማስተማር ሰለቸን እኮ
Deqi-Arawit wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 18:31
if the Galla and the agame refused to call themselves Ethiopians, who are Ethiopians?
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 28 May 2024, 21:12
by kebena05
Belaynesh Agamew
Do you consider yourself Tigrean first, Ethiopian second as in the past or you are Ethiopian first and your ethnicity second?
We know, you only claimed to be "ethiopian" when you need handouts from the central government.
union wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 18:38
Ascaro
Don't confuse the poor farmers with the cadres
ደደብ አስከሪ
እናንተን ማስተማር ሰለቸን እኮ
Deqi-Arawit wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 18:31
if the Galla and the agame refused to call themselves Ethiopians, who are Ethiopians?
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 28 May 2024, 21:22
by Union
አንበጣ ቆርጫሚ ascari eritrean የጣልያን ሉጢ
Listen now, you low IQ hamassien ascari
I am an Amara! and Ethiopian. Everyone on ER knows except you retard ascari who call everyone that opposing you agame
I am your nightmare - a Gondere Warrior 🪖
Do you see how i fck you up on ER, I got to be an Amara, right? Is that blood, buddy!
You got that right
kebena05 wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 21:12
Belaynesh Agamew
Do you consider yourself Tigrean first, Ethiopian second as in the past or you are Ethiopian first and your ethnicity second?
We know, you only claimed to be "ethiopian" when you need handouts from the central government.
union wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 18:38
Ascaro
Don't confuse the poor farmers with the cadres
ደደብ አስከሪ
እናንተን ማስተማር ሰለቸን እኮ
Deqi-Arawit wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 18:31
if the Galla and the agame refused to call themselves Ethiopians, who are Ethiopians?
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 28 May 2024, 22:48
by Naga Tuma
Misraq wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 18:26
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ለአማራ ሕዝብ አንደኛ ጠላቱ ኢትዬጵያኒስቱ ሲሆን …
Are you saying that they should not identify themselves as Ethiopians or that you should not identify yourself as an Ethiopian?
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 00:04
by TGAA
ለአማራ ሕዝብ አንደኛ ጠላቱ ኢትዬጵያኒስቱ-- ሲሆን ሁለተኞቹ ጋላ እና ዓጋሜ ናቸው።
I'm not sure what your end game is here. Is it to make Bahir Dar the capital of Amhara and secede? Your dislike for G7 is understandable, but your hatred towards Ethiopianists is confusing. No Ethiopians want to lead the Amhara movement; the Amharas are doing a superb job of that themselves. Eskinder is a qualitatively different person, measured by his sacrifice and his stance, so you are completely wrong to lump him with G7.
With this kind of anti-Ethiopianist sentiment, how are you going to take over Addis Ababa, which is the center of Ethiopianism? Do you think Amhara-Ethiopians should be sacrificed at the altar to make Amharas pristine and clean blood-wise? I don't think you have thought through what you are saying. Let me be clear: unless Fanos convince Ethiopianists in Addis that the change Fano brings is for all, and not just for a pure bloodline, you will be disappointed. Even now, the support Fanos are getting from Ethiopianst camp is tremendous in propagating the cause of Amhara, not because they want to usurp power from Amhara as you continually allude to , but because they know their freedom comes from a cause similar to their own. Fanos need all the support they can get. They can choose who to be close to or who needs to be cut off, but pushing out Ethiopians would have negative consequences for the Amhara struggle.
Whoever gets the backing of the center is going to win. The center has experienced discrimination and dislocation from both the Weyanes and now the OPDO. Instead of making the center a supporter of Fano, if voices like yours become dominant, the only thing you will accomplish is prolonging the Amhara's suffering at the hands of the OPDO and Weyane. One hopes you will have an epiphany regarding the truth of the Ethiopian problem.
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 00:30
by Union
Amara are fighting by ourselves, have you noticed no Ethiopiansits are helping us now? So why should we bother to beg them to work with us. If we foolishly let them into FANNO they will infiltrate and weaken Amara.
What those so called Ethiopiansits need to do is to approach their ethnic and work to help the people there and organize them then they can negotiate with Amara to work together. The problem is these Ethiopiansts want to lead FANNO, their reason is they speak Amharic
Like I said the don't help Amara now, also, they will not fight Amara either. So FANNO don't need to west time dealing with them now. We will deal with them after they organize their people eventually, then as Ethiopians we will sit and discuss and negotiate our future. No one should have a problem with this approach. The alternative is they can decide to help FANNO today in other ways other than leading FANNO , such as financially. But as you know they do not do that, they are only talking Ethiopiansm we already know of, no action. So those operating the actions of today will set the rules, Amara in collaboration with other Ethiopians will generate the road up of the future after we defeat oromuma. አማራ ጎጠኛ አይደለም፣ ሁሉንም ኢትዮጵያዊ እናከብራለን፣ እንወዳለን፣ ነገር ግን እንደነ አንዳርጋቸው አይነትን ጋላ OLF ውስጣቹ አስገብታቹ ይምራቹ እና ተበሉ የሚለን ካለ ባናቱ ይቁም
TGAA wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 00:04
ለአማራ ሕዝብ አንደኛ ጠላቱ ኢትዬጵያኒስቱ-- ሲሆን ሁለተኞቹ ጋላ እና ዓጋሜ ናቸው።
I'm not sure what your end game is here. Is it to make Bahir Dar the capital of Amhara and secede? Your dislike for G7 is understandable, but your hatred towards Ethiopianists is confusing. No Ethiopians want to lead the Amhara movement; the Amharas are doing a superb job of that themselves. Eskinder is a qualitatively different person, measured by his sacrifice and his stance, so you are completely wrong to lump him with G7.
With this kind of anti-Ethiopianist sentiment, how are you going to take over Addis Ababa, which is the center of Ethiopianism? Do you think Amhara-Ethiopians should be sacrificed at the altar to make Amharas pristine and clean blood-wise? I don't think you have thought through what you are saying. Let me be clear: unless Fanos convince Ethiopianists in Addis that the change Fano brings is for all, and not just for a pure bloodline, you will be disappointed. Even now, the support Fanos are getting from Ethiopianst camp is tremendous in propagating the cause of Amhara, not because they want to usurp power from Amhara as you continually allude to , but because they know their freedom comes from a cause similar to their own. Fanos need all the support they can get. They can choose who to be close to or who needs to be cut off, but pushing out Ethiopians would have negative consequences for the Amhara struggle.
Whoever gets the backing of the center is going to win. The center has experienced discrimination and dislocation from both the Weyanes and now the OPDO. Instead of making the center a supporter of Fano, if voices like yours become dominant, the only thing you will accomplish is prolonging the Amhara's suffering at the hands of the OPDO and Weyane. One hopes you will have an epiphany regarding the truth of the Ethiopian problem.
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 01:53
by TGAA
union wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 00:30
Amara are fighting by ourselves, have you noticed no Ethiopiansits are helping us now? So why should we bother to beg them to work with us. If we foolishly let them into FANNO they will infiltrate and weaken Amara.
What those so called Ethiopiansits need to do is to approach their ethnic and work to help the people there and organize them then they can negotiate with Amara to work together. The problem is these Ethiopiansts want to lead FANNO, their reason is they speak Amharic
Like I said the don't help Amara now, also, they will not fight Amara either. So FANNO don't need to west time dealing with them now. We will deal with them after they organize their people eventually, then as Ethiopians we will sit and discuss and negotiate our future. No one should have a problem with this approach. The alternative is they can decide to help FANNO today in other ways other than leading FANNO , such as financially. But as you know they do not do that, they are only talking Ethiopiansm we already know of, no action. So those operating the actions of today will set the rules, Amara in collaboration with other Ethiopians will generate the road up of the future after we defeat oromuma. አማራ ጎጠኛ አይደለም፣ ሁሉንም ኢትዮጵያዊ እናከብራለን፣ እንወዳለን፣ ነገር ግን እንደነ አንዳርጋቸው አይነትን ጋላ OLF ውስጣቹ አስገብታቹ ይምራቹ እና ተበሉ የሚለን ካለ ባናቱ ይቁም
TGAA wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 00:04
ለአማራ ሕዝብ አንደኛ ጠላቱ ኢትዬጵያኒስቱ-- ሲሆን ሁለተኞቹ ጋላ እና ዓጋሜ ናቸው።
I'm not sure what your end game is here. Is it to make Bahir Dar the capital of Amhara and secede? Your dislike for G7 is understandable, but your hatred towards Ethiopianists is confusing. No Ethiopians want to lead the Amhara movement; the Amharas are doing a superb job of that themselves. Eskinder is a qualitatively different person, measured by his sacrifice and his stance, so you are completely wrong to lump him with G7.
With this kind of anti-Ethiopianist sentiment, how are you going to take over Addis Ababa, which is the center of Ethiopianism? Do you think Amhara-Ethiopians should be sacrificed at the altar to make Amharas pristine and clean blood-wise? I don't think you have thought through what you are saying. Let me be clear: unless Fanos convince Ethiopianists in Addis that the change Fano brings is for all, and not just for a pure bloodline, you will be disappointed. Even now, the support Fanos are getting from Ethiopianst camp is tremendous in propagating the cause of Amhara, not because they want to usurp power from Amhara as you continually allude to , but because they know their freedom comes from a cause similar to their own. Fanos need all the support they can get. They can choose who to be close to or who needs to be cut off, but pushing out Ethiopians would have negative consequences for the Amhara struggle.
Whoever gets the backing of the center is going to win. The center has experienced discrimination and dislocation from both the Weyanes and now the OPDO. Instead of making the center a supporter of Fano, if voices like yours become dominant, the only thing you will accomplish is prolonging the Amhara's suffering at the hands of the OPDO and Weyane. One hopes you will have an epiphany regarding the truth of the Ethiopian problem.
Here is what I agree with: Being an Amharic speaker under the system of ethnic tutelage doesn’t necessarily make one Amhara. Those who speak Amharic but are loyal to their own ethnic group or willing to serve others have been able to polarize and paralyze the Amharas, preventing them from protecting their interests. The Ethiopian camp has also been manipulated by both Meles and Abiy during their times of need, only to be discarded afterward. Thus, Amharas need to lead their movement independently to protect themselves from being infiltrated by their enemies.
Fanos were established by Amharas themselves, and although Eskinder joined them as a member, the movement is led entirely by Amharas. It’s important to note, however, that Eskinder is also an Amhara who meets the “blood test requirement” demanded by some for Amhara blood purity ideologist . However, Eskinder doesn't need to be a leader to be an asset to the Fano movement ..
Keeping the Fano leadership in the hands of Amharas is one thing, but campaigning against the Ethiopianist camp is another matter entirely. The Amhara struggle will succeed either by ensuring Amharas are democratically represented in all parts of Ethiopia proportional to their demographic or by establishing an Ethiopia where ethnic federalism ceases to exist, replaced by a true federal system anchored in citizenship rights. In either of these systems, Amharas will fare well.
As long as Ethiopianists are recognized as such and have the right to represent themselves, they won’t have a problem with either political arrangement. No Amhara, Oromo, or Tigrayan should force them to choose their ethnicity. There are more than 30 million Ethiopians who claim their Ethiopian identity, which needs to be respected. The Ethiopianist camp would not have any problem with any ethnic party as long as they respect all ethnic groups' right to live freely, including the Ethiopian identity, wherever they choose in Ethiopia.
This paranoia about Ethiopianists has to stop. A rational approach to how each group will be treated fairly in the future Ethiopia should be our guiding light. Anti-Ethiopianist rhetoric serves no purpose. Our political discourse should be elevated.
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 10:23
by Union
Ok brother
The problem is the Ethiopianst are trying to forcefully go into Fanno and lead. They went as far as attacking Fanno with propaganda and tried to divide us by financing a few individual to creat thier own Fanno group.
That makes them very dangerous because thier ways can divide Fanno so they are enemy number one for us! We haven't attacked them directly so far but if they dont stop we will stop them. Andargachew is one of them.
And remember, they dont represent the people, they are just individuals trying to penetrate, they are not leading any people. So Fanno can directly communicate with the people about our future as Ethiopians, now that makes Fanno real Ethiopianists the people trust
TGAA wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 01:53
union wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 00:30
Amara are fighting by ourselves, have you noticed no Ethiopiansits are helping us now? So why should we bother to beg them to work with us. If we foolishly let them into FANNO they will infiltrate and weaken Amara.
What those so called Ethiopiansits need to do is to approach their ethnic and work to help the people there and organize them then they can negotiate with Amara to work together. The problem is these Ethiopiansts want to lead FANNO, their reason is they speak Amharic
Like I said the don't help Amara now, also, they will not fight Amara either. So FANNO don't need to west time dealing with them now. We will deal with them after they organize their people eventually, then as Ethiopians we will sit and discuss and negotiate our future. No one should have a problem with this approach. The alternative is they can decide to help FANNO today in other ways other than leading FANNO , such as financially. But as you know they do not do that, they are only talking Ethiopiansm we already know of, no action. So those operating the actions of today will set the rules, Amara in collaboration with other Ethiopians will generate the road up of the future after we defeat oromuma. አማራ ጎጠኛ አይደለም፣ ሁሉንም ኢትዮጵያዊ እናከብራለን፣ እንወዳለን፣ ነገር ግን እንደነ አንዳርጋቸው አይነትን ጋላ OLF ውስጣቹ አስገብታቹ ይምራቹ እና ተበሉ የሚለን ካለ ባናቱ ይቁም
TGAA wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 00:04
ለአማራ ሕዝብ አንደኛ ጠላቱ ኢትዬጵያኒስቱ-- ሲሆን ሁለተኞቹ ጋላ እና ዓጋሜ ናቸው።
I'm not sure what your end game is here. Is it to make Bahir Dar the capital of Amhara and secede? Your dislike for G7 is understandable, but your hatred towards Ethiopianists is confusing. No Ethiopians want to lead the Amhara movement; the Amharas are doing a superb job of that themselves. Eskinder is a qualitatively different person, measured by his sacrifice and his stance, so you are completely wrong to lump him with G7.
With this kind of anti-Ethiopianist sentiment, how are you going to take over Addis Ababa, which is the center of Ethiopianism? Do you think Amhara-Ethiopians should be sacrificed at the altar to make Amharas pristine and clean blood-wise? I don't think you have thought through what you are saying. Let me be clear: unless Fanos convince Ethiopianists in Addis that the change Fano brings is for all, and not just for a pure bloodline, you will be disappointed. Even now, the support Fanos are getting from Ethiopianst camp is tremendous in propagating the cause of Amhara, not because they want to usurp power from Amhara as you continually allude to , but because they know their freedom comes from a cause similar to their own. Fanos need all the support they can get. They can choose who to be close to or who needs to be cut off, but pushing out Ethiopians would have negative consequences for the Amhara struggle.
Whoever gets the backing of the center is going to win. The center has experienced discrimination and dislocation from both the Weyanes and now the OPDO. Instead of making the center a supporter of Fano, if voices like yours become dominant, the only thing you will accomplish is prolonging the Amhara's suffering at the hands of the OPDO and Weyane. One hopes you will have an epiphany regarding the truth of the Ethiopian problem.
Here is what I agree with: Being an Amharic speaker under the system of ethnic tutelage doesn’t necessarily make one Amhara. Those who speak Amharic but are loyal to their own ethnic group or willing to serve others have been able to polarize and paralyze the Amharas, preventing them from protecting their interests. The Ethiopian camp has also been manipulated by both Meles and Abiy during their times of need, only to be discarded afterward. Thus, Amharas need to lead their movement independently to protect themselves from being infiltrated by their enemies.
Fanos were established by Amharas themselves, and although Eskinder joined them as a member, the movement is led entirely by Amharas. It’s important to note, however, that Eskinder is also an Amhara who meets the “blood test requirement” demanded by some for Amhara blood purity ideologist . However, Eskinder doesn't need to be a leader to be an asset to the Fano movement ..
Keeping the Fano leadership in the hands of Amharas is one thing, but campaigning against the Ethiopianist camp is another matter entirely. The Amhara struggle will succeed either by ensuring Amharas are democratically represented in all parts of Ethiopia proportional to their demographic or by establishing an Ethiopia where ethnic federalism ceases to exist, replaced by a true federal system anchored in citizenship rights. In either of these systems, Amharas will fare well.
As long as Ethiopianists are recognized as such and have the right to represent themselves, they won’t have a problem with either political arrangement. No Amhara, Oromo, or Tigrayan should force them to choose their ethnicity. There are more than 30 million Ethiopians who claim their Ethiopian identity, which needs to be respected. The Ethiopianist camp would not have any problem with any ethnic party as long as they respect all ethnic groups' right to live freely, including the Ethiopian identity, wherever they choose in Ethiopia.
This paranoia about Ethiopianists has to stop. A rational approach to how each group will be treated fairly in the future Ethiopia should be our guiding light. Anti-Ethiopianist rhetoric serves no purpose. Our political discourse should be elevated.
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 11:19
by kebena05
union wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 21:22
I am an Amara!
I am Japanese, believe me Belaynesh
Agamewa
You hate Amara, you were here in Mereja for 25 plus years advocation for the extermination of the Amaras when your beloved Weyane was in power. Now, you agame behind is playing Amara because you saw the only way your TPLF could venture to Arat Kilo is when you and your low IQ agame cadres are keep advocating for the fight of the two major ethnics, the Oromos and Amaras, that are preventing you from coming back to power
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 11:25
by Union
Ascari eritrean hamassien terrorist የጣልያን ሉጢ
Lying is in you nature, i was not even in the US 25 years ago
Just becaue you are 80 years old it does not mean we all are old
One ascari once told me anbeta is delicious. I was like, yes it is, to you ascaris, yes.
kebena05 wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 11:19
union wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 21:22
I am an Amara!
I am Japanese, believe me Belaynesh
Agamewa
You hate Amara, you were here in Mereja for 25 plus years advocation for the extermination of the Amaras when your beloved Weyane was in power. Now, you agame behind is playing Amara because you saw the only way your TPLF could venture to Arat Kilo is when you and your low IQ agame cadres are keep advocating for the fight of the two major ethnics, the Oromos and Amaras, that are preventing you from coming back to power
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 11:42
by kebena05
Belaynesh agames
Of course, your Agame DNA won't allow you to tell the truth nore admit your true identity.
Everyone knows, you are Belay aka Belaynesh, the lowest IQ holder in Mereja who kept changing its identity, from Belay to present, now to "union" የዳማ
thinking you could fool anyone.....however, you are too stupid to fool one single person here.
union wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 11:25
Ascari eritrean hamassien terrorist የጣልያን ሉጢ
Lying is in you nature, i was not even in the US 25 years ago
Just becaue you are 80 years old it does not mean we all are old
One ascari once told me anbeta is delicious. I was like, yes it is, to you ascaris, yes.
kebena05 wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 11:19
union wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 21:22
I am an Amara!
I am Japanese, believe me Belaynesh
Agamewa
You hate Amara, you were here in Mereja for 25 plus years advocation for the extermination of the Amaras when your beloved Weyane was in power. Now, you agame behind is playing Amara because you saw the only way your TPLF could venture to Arat Kilo is when you and your low IQ agame cadres are keep advocating for the fight of the two major ethnics, the Oromos and Amaras, that are preventing you from coming back to power
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 29 May 2024, 12:09
by Sadacha Macca
Amaras are doing the right thing organizing along ethnic lines. I support it and am glad they're being themselves and not hiding behind "Ethiopianists." Some people say it's "tribalism", but the truth is Ethiopianists was also synonymous with Amara, now the mask has been removed and you have Amara identifying as such, which is great. There's no choice either. They have to mobilize that way because no ones gonna do it for them or struggle for them. The best thing is us all identifying as our respective nations- Oromo, Amara, Somali, Afar, Tigrayans, etc, then we can discuss Ethiopian identity, what it means and the way forward.
Re: ኢትዬጵያዊነት ለዘለዓለም ይኑር
Posted: 30 May 2024, 08:55
by Misraq
TGAA
Ethiopianists the majority of them need a savior. And that savior is coming in the form of FANO. Yes, a lot understand it now and started to show sympathy but we haven't seen them supporting FANO with they way they supported Abiy (Oneg). Why?
We have seen the likes of NoMore. We have seen public demonstration all over. Advocacy...etc to save abiys regime. Where is all that now? Shouldn't they support their savior FANO? So your claim that they are supporting FANO in a profound way is exaggerating.
Anyways, slowly they will participate and I have no issue unless they try to bend the Amhara peoples demand to that of "ድል ለዲሞክራሲ" type of civic nationalism. They can do that by their own, not stitching themselves with us. You can feel the tone of true Amhara leaders when you hear them. Here is Asegid Mekonnen putting elequantlly on what the past looked like. He simply said our people took part in the struggles and enable others to enter 4kilo and we kept paying the price. So we won't make such a mistake again