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Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Zack » 08 Jan 2024, 18:32

Today the president of Somalia hassan Sheikh Mahamoud has visted Asmara capital of Eritrea on a few day state visit. But to note i just had a epiphany, in which i saw that the Patriotic dictator of Eritrea .He is the only one that challenged us in Djibouti , on holding a Somali conference in his country. That role was solely for Djibouti for decades back back in 2008 , Afewerki organized the group called the ARS The ARS , the Alliance of reliberation of Somalia. But we called it back the the Asmaras reliberation for Somalia. During the those dark days the Eritreans stood with us. As we fought the said the TFG. Tigrayan funded Government for Somalia. As we called it back then.

Fast move forward 2024 first of January Somalia is once again threatened again this time not with arms or an invasion . But likable invasion to come in the future by Ethiopia. In Disguise of cooperation and having a naval force on the northern part of the Somali peninsula.

This is a grave danger to the Somali nationalist that want to protect their nation. Today on twitter i saw a galla who claimed that it is not enough 20 km we should get 100 km of Land. These are the people whom we have dealing with. So i urge the Eritreans as People who know our conflict and our troubles our shortcomings. Our historic problems with Ethiopia our historic problems with Kenya.

Isias always maintained a policy called let Somalis solve their issues and the west the Arabs the Ethiopians shouldn't get involved. But Since isias had always wanted to solve some of the Somali problems. I urge the government of Eritrea to also invite the president of Somaliland in Asmara For talks. And let the Somalis sit down for a round of talks maybe 72 hours hard talks .

I think this is the only way forward to stop this madness i think Isias has some respect from all Somalis i dont think the Leaders of Somaliland would decline on such an invitation. President Hassan is also very pragmatic let them convince each other this is a bad deal , for the future of the Somali as a whole. Ethiopia population will be 200 million people by the year 2070. We don't want our grand children to fight wars with Ethiopia for their own land that is theirs . The Somalis all across the globe have implored the leaders of Somaliland to stop this madness.

The other option is that Somalia and Djibouti jointly attack Somaliland , but we are 100 percent sure Ethiopia will get involved , and the whole region will be up in flames. This is the last we want . So let us solve this amicably and i believe there is a role for Eritrea there indeed.


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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Zack » 08 Jan 2024, 20:31

The president of Somalia has visited Eritrea for over 7 times , and he has shown commitment that Eritrea helps Somalia to recover Militarly but we need a political solutions , But this time we need to show a strong firm stance , To keep Ethiopia out of the red sea.. With out any sort of hesitation indeed.

Osman salah Eritrean Foreign Minister visited Somaliland back in 2019 , after the UN embargo was lifted from Ertirea.





I have said it before that Eritreans have had good relations with all Somalis , with the exception of the little Conflict with us in Djibouti. I cant think of any other country region that can solve this issue.

we should call the conference Keeping Ethiopia out of the Somalis seas Conference one held in Asmara.



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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Abere » 08 Jan 2024, 20:44

Zack,

Why do you want Isaias to swamp himself with Somalia and Somaliland issue? You must have an ill-wish for him. The Somaliland has already solved her problem 3 decades ago. She is not going back to a drawing board. If Isaias is smart he had better stay out of this issue.

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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Somaliman » 09 Jan 2024, 07:32

Zack,

I was going to inform you about the genuine efforts of Eritrea and the visit of Eritrea's Foreign Minister, Osman salah, who's a highly-experienced decent diplomat whom you can listen to for hours.

The fuc.kers in the northern enclave had wasted his time.

The only solution is to subjugate them by force, and sooner or later this will come.

The little sympathy that the West has been nurturing for decades with regard to their obsession with a recognition has disappeared last year like tears in the rain, when the ragtag troops of the separatist breakaway launched an attack on civilians in one of its subregions that had enough with the secession bullsh.it, shelling them indiscriminately and killing over 600 civilians and injuring thousands, to the extent that the Amnesty International is now considering whether the enclave's so-called government could be persecuted for genocide crimes regarding their prevalent genocidal actions committed in Las Anod.

The irony is that this separatist breakaway has been telling the world that they've seceded from the rest of Somalia and that they should not be kept or brought back by force.

And guess what - they've committed all that genocide in las Anod last year simply because they wanted to keep its seceding subregion by force - the exact approach they've been complaining about.

And since not only has the West reassessed and retracted its sympathy for recognition, but also, it has cut funding and completely stopped direct funding and donations from the West to Somaliland, and now every penny goes through Villa Somalia - Mogadishu. Weey Guud.

How can you do to others the exact thing that you've been complaining about for ages!

In addition, these separatists have been jailing journalists in droves without any charges, other than having expressed own opinion. And as you know freedom of expression is an imperative condition to "enjoy" the approval of the West. And since last week, it's even worse. you express your personal view on the late MoU, whether you're a simple student, shopkeeper, housewife, beggar on the street, you name it, you get jailed straightaway.

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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Zack » 09 Jan 2024, 07:52

Yes you are righty they are hypocrites for that really screaming genocide against siyad barre. and doing the same killing against the Laascanood people. having said that i dont believe renewed violance can solve this. If we start a war in the north it has be e quick fast kill. Other wise it will back fire on us and it will take a long term and it will catastrophic i want a solution with out a single bullet being fired. Somaliland brought back into the fold. And also not to have a war at any cost we need to avoid that. i think that is what ethiopia wants


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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Somaliman » 09 Jan 2024, 08:31

I agree, war doesn't always solve issues.

Another option, which is doable and not destructive, is to reduce this fuc'king enclave both in size and population. For instance, offer federal state status to Sool, Sanaag, and Awdal and shrink the sh.it to two.

Ma maqli jirtey, "Gaal ey wadey, ama Iidoor wadey"!

In maanta uu Amxaar damco inuu dhukeenna qaato innagoo soo taagan, waxa keenay waa wadashada uu wato Iidoor. Haddaanu Iidoor wadan lahayn, tani ma timaadeen.

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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Jikaar » 09 Jan 2024, 09:58

Somaliman wrote:
09 Jan 2024, 08:31
I agree, war doesn't always solve issues.

Another option, which is doable and not destructive, is to reduce this fuc'king enclave both in size and population. For instance, offer federal state status to Sool, Sanaag, and Awdal and shrink the sh.it to two.

Ma maqli jirtey, "Gaal ey wadey, ama Iidoor wadey"!

In maanta uu Amxaar damco inuu dhukeenna qaato innagoo soo taagan, waxa keenay waa wadashada uu wato Iidoor. Haddaanu Iidoor wadan lahayn, tani ma timaadeen.
That policy is what pushed us to Ethiopia. No Matter how hard you try to use somaliland minority clans. We isaaqs have nothing to loose. We control the core of somaliland. No body cares about periphery regions. We are not even forcing them. Somaliland has decided to never deal with zoomalia. Accept it and move on.

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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Jikaar » 09 Jan 2024, 10:02

Oohin iyo calaacal baydun Ku danbayn doontaan soomaliyey hadaydaan aqoonsiga somaliland afka kusoo qaadin asbuucyada soo socda gudahood. Warkayagu waa cadyahay.

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Re: Isias Afewerkis golden opportunity

Post by Zack » 09 Jan 2024, 11:51

Somaliman wrote:
09 Jan 2024, 08:31
I agree, war doesn't always solve issues.

Another option, which is doable and not destructive, is to reduce this fuc'king enclave both in size and population. For instance, offer federal state status to Sool, Sanaag, and Awdal and shrink the sh.it to two.

Ma maqli jirtey, "Gaal ey wadey, ama Iidoor wadey"!

In maanta uu Amxaar damco inuu dhukeenna qaato innagoo soo taagan, waxa keenay waa wadashada uu wato Iidoor. Haddaanu Iidoor wadan lahayn, tani ma timaadeen.
that is also an option how ever we must find other ways that are not antagonising ,this will just work for the benefit of our arch enemies which is Ethiopia. We need a find a way that isnt zerosum. If we want to create a new Somalia we need start from scratch . if we fight them they fight we kill them they kill us in the end we will both two week to fend of the Ethiopians. Is there no other option solve this matter. How is it that these 2 regions united in 1960 out of brotherhood and now turned into bitter enemies .

I just cant understand what has happend. Maybe i have been to far away these days from Somalia and Somali issues to understand this. i think the iidoor have their fair share of the conflict of Somalis but it cant be only blamed on them. We need to look also for other solutions and other players that failed to reach to create a unity between Somalis. I was reading an article the other day on Hiiraan online maybe i would like to share that the author made some valid points bal ila eeg.


Somaliland-Ethiopia agreement challenged; Mogadishu lacks Somali union plan
Mohamed Ibrahim
Thursday January 4, 2024



This week we have witnessed the unprecedented signing of Memorandum of understanding between Somaliland and Ethiopia which has sent shock waves in the Horn of Africa and beyond. The MOU involves the development of Ethiopian port for the purpose of trade and military in Somalia's seas situated in Somaliland in exchange for economic benefits and alleged recognition for the state of Somaliland, which will be finalised in the coming months. This gives land-locked Ethiopia of over 100 million people strategic access to a red sea port to enhance its increasing demand and influence in the region/beyond.

This agreement in my view is illegal as it violates the territorial sovereignty and integrity of the Somalia's Federal Republic and warrants all diplomatic and political condemnation possible . Somaliland has made great strides in its political development as the only relative democracy in the region, apart from Kenya. However, despite their claim for independence, this will ONLY require a political negotiation with Somalia to either form a union or divorce for good. Somaliland cannot just run away from its obligations without amicable resolution with Somalia.

While the road to independence is dialogue with Somalia, Mogadishu cannot also ignore the political reality on the ground. Somaliland's development is unique and has not been part of Somalia's revised constitutional process since the third republic process started and therefore is not member of the Federal government negotiated in the Arta or Imbagathi peace process. It is also fundamental to point out Somalia only knows what it can reject on the Somaliland question but lacks imaginative political plan or blue print for a Somali union. It is becoming pointless to sight territorial sovereignty and integrity in the absence of a political plan to keep the union together .

There are ongoing political dialogue on the development and revision of the Somali transitional constitution which will require final ratification. The executive in agreement with the federal member states leaders has al;so discussed political changes involving a shift to a presidential model of government with a vice president and a parliament. It is also relevant to point out Somaliland is not party to these discussion or negotiations. While these changes represent another political experiment, it is not going to solve the fundamental under belly of Somalia's political instability, which are essentially about real or percieved power imbalance structure and lack of political reconciliation that has led to political fragmentation at the centre and prephery . Somalia urgently requires all encompassing political settlement that does not involve winner takes all political settlement and would at the same time help solve the Somaliland question. In my view, since the fundamental issues at play is power imbalance and reconciliation. To move fordward, Somalia should adopt a rotational presidency involving all members states leaders with the inclusion of Somaliland in that process. This will in the short run create broad-based inclusive politics that enhances reconciliation, fosters political trust and reduces political fragmentation. This might be a away of out the impasse that has undermined the Somali union.

What we have witnnesed this week in Eithiopia is symtoms of our political fragemtation and politicall instability across Somalia. I have warned many times in my observations below that Somaliland or regional and international interest is not going to wait for political stagnation in Mogadishu. We have entered the era of post 1945 international order with its unpredicability and political turmoil. Somalia needs urgent pivot towards a sustainable political settlement if its to survive or avoid further dislocation.

In summary, beyond the emotions and political rhetoric, nobody is entitled to a political union that creates poverty and misery both politicallly and economically at cost of the other. Somaliland has forged a clear direction of political and economic purpose - where does Mogadishu wants to go? and business as usual is not going to cut it for Somalia and beyond.

/op4/2022/jan/185116/somalia_and_somaliland_a_case_of_post_conflict_troubled_society.aspx

/op4/2017/apr/141775/somaliland_exhausted_consensus_north_south_divide_opportunity_for_meaningful_dialogue.aspx
/op4/2021/oct/184124/deportation_of_somalis_is_an_embarrassment_and_a_political_problem_to_somaliland.aspx
/op4/2023/aug/192802/somaliland_ssc_khatuumo_somaliland_government_was_always_wrong.aspx

Mohamed Ibrahim BA/MSc, London School of Economics and Political Science, is a
keen writer and social justice campaigner, London based, He can be reached via
@Mi_shiine

Maybe i am just a nerd who over thinks things,,
maybe Somaliman policy is better dubbe la dhac waxkasta hahaha


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