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Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 04 Nov 2023, 07:42


Hundreds of migrants from chgray continue in their perilous journey to Djibouti on a daily basis, aiming to reach Saudi Arabia via Yemen.


Message, all the way from India:
👇 :lol:


It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for Ethiopia to continue as an entity.
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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by sesame » 04 Nov 2023, 07:53

It is either that or become a gangster. Chigray has become hell on earth. The TPLF thugs are now in a serious power struggle and it is going to get ugly. That is what happens to Mafia groups.
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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 04 Nov 2023, 08:02



Fitch Flags Debt Default Danger as Ethiopia Rating Sinks to Near Default

https://birrmetrics.com/fitch-flags-deb ... r-default/

November 3, 2023

Fitch Ratings’ cut of Ethiopia’s sovereign credit rating to just above default reflects the mounting risk that the country is running out of cash, as foreign exchange reserves dwindle to under a month’s worth of payments while delays in securing debt relief leave large financing gaps unplugged.

Fitch Ratings has downgraded Ethiopia's Long-Term Foreign-Currency Issuer Default Rating (LTFC IDR) to 'CC' from 'CCC-', citing a material decline in the country's external liquidity position and significant external financing gaps that have increased the risk of a default event.

In a statement, Fitch said
the 'CC' rating also reflects a probable risk of a default event that may result from the government's participation in the G20 Common Framework (CF) debt relief initiative, given the mechanism's guiding principle of comparable treatment for official and private creditors.
According to Fitch, Ethiopia's external liquidity situation will continue to deteriorate in the absence of a debt treatment under the Common Framework that reduces the country's large external debt servicing burden and facilitates renewed access to external financing.

The rating agency estimates sovereign external debt payments of $1 billion in the current fiscal year ending July 2024 and $2 billion in FY2025, while international reserves fell to just $1 billion in FY2023, less than one month of current external payments.

Projected sovereign debt service obligations, combined with around $1 billion in annual debt payments owed by Ethiopia's non-sovereign public sector, highlight the pressing need for external financing and debt relief.

However, Fitch notes "little progress" has been made under the Common Framework to reach an agreement on Ethiopia's debt treatment. Prolonged delays in securing new financing from the IMF and other multilaterals through an approved program
will lead to a further deterioration in external liquidity.
Fitch also cited Ethiopia's
structural external imbalances,
estimating the current account deficit narrowed marginally to 2.9% of GDP in FY2023
as import compression partly offset the significant fall in exports.
The rating agency believes the official exchange rate has been "limited" relative to the much sharper depreciation seen in the parallel market, suggesting
room for a sharper adjustment of the official exchange rate.
Domestically, Ethiopia is increasingly reliant on domestic financing from its banking sector amid dented external funding. Fitch forecasts interest payments on domestic debt will rise to 10.5% of government revenue in FY2024 as borrowing costs increase in line with interest rates.

Rising inflation, which averaged 32.5% in FY2023 according to Fitch, also presents economic challenges as the central bank tries to tighten monetary policy.

Looking at Ethiopia's ESG factors, Fitch highlighted that World Bank governance indicators incorporated in its sovereign rating model
have a negative impact on the credit profile
given the country's weak scores.

The rating agency also considers creditor rights highly relevant
as willingness to service and repay debt is highly relevant...and Ethiopia faces an increasing possibility of default.
Fitch said it would view a formal debt restructuring by Ethiopia or failure to pay private or public creditors as likely triggers for further negative rating actions.

The only factor identified as potentially leading to an upgrade was "stronger external finances" through policies and financing
that would provide satisfactory confidence that payments on the Eurobond would be timely honored.

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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 04 Nov 2023, 08:13

sesame wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 07:53
It is either that or become a gangster. Chigray has become hell on earth. The TPLF thugs are now in a serious power struggle and it is going to get ugly. That is what happens to Mafia groups.
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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 04 Nov 2023, 08:23

We've never been colonized!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:






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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

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CONFLICT & CRISIS
How years of tension in Amhara boiled to the surface

BY HONE MANDEFRO

https://africanarguments.org/2023/08/ho ... e-surface/

AUGUST 4, 2023

Deepening suspicions that Abiy was plotting against the Amhara drove the Fano rebellion against Addis Ababa.


Ethiopian Premier, Abiy Ahmed Ali at the Awash Arba Combat Technical School in January 2023, where 32 Chinese-built 155 mm SH15 wheeled self-propelled howitzers (SPH), Ethiopia’s latest military acquisition with a firing range of between 40 km-72 km, were unveiled. Courtesy: Abiy Ahmed Ali.

With the declaration of the state of emergency in the Amhara Region early on 4 August, 2023, the Abiy Ahmed administration appears to have finally come to grips with a security crisis that has been brewing since at least March this year.

As of 2 August, the federal government had experienced a series of setbacks, with approximately two dozen cities and districts falling under the control of Amhara Fano, the dominant militia in the region. The areas now under Fano’s sway include significant zonal cities like Debre Tabor and Debre Markos, as well as the renowned tourist destination of Lalibela. The Abiy administration turned off the internet on 3 August. The conflict is set to intensify.

Considering that the Amhara and the Abiy-led government had joined forces against the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) just a few months ago, the hostilities between them must appear baffling. To understand the current strife, one must look back to the resentment of the Amhara since the early days of the Abiy Ahmed administration.

Contrary to some commentaries suggesting a sudden escalation, tensions have been brewing in Amhara for years. Since 2019, Abiy has grappled with opposition and dissent in the region, revealing deep-rooted complexities and grievances that have remained unresolved. In this in-depth analysis, I shed light on these long-standing grievances and recent developments that led to the current hostilities.

1. One hegemony after another – from TPLF to OPP

In the early days of his tenure, Abiy Ahmed Ali’s speeches, including his inaugural address, resonated deeply not only within the Amhara Region but across Ethiopia. His open acknowledgment of past wrongs, including torture by the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF), and his commitment to addressing identity and border concerns were embraced with hope. These elements played a significant role in Amhara resistance to the TPLF and in facilitating Abiy’s ascent to power.

The aspirations and demands articulated during Amhara protests underscored the region’s desire for substantive change. They sought constitutional amendments; the resolution to long-standing identity and boundary issues with neighbouring regions; a genuine dialogue and action on security; and representation for millions of Amhara living outside the Amhara region.

Abiy’s initial steps in this direction were met with cautious optimism. While the Amhara people eagerly anticipated concrete action on their concerns, Abiy had nothing to deliver. The commissions and agencies he established, notably the Identity and Border Commission, became defunct without any outcome.

Instead, Abiy preoccupied himself with the issues raised by the Oromo protest movement, such as boundary disputes between Oromia and Addis Ababa and the appointment of Oromo officials to key positions. In the dynamics of Ethiopia’s political landscape, the Oromo Prosperity Party (OPP) emerged as a potent influence within the ruling Prosperity Party (PP), causing friction with the Amhara Prosperity Party (APP).

The Oromo-dominated regime scaled up the restriction of Amhara rights, including access to the capital. Instances like the mass displacement and destruction of non-Oromo-owned properties in the newly formed Sheggar City have deepened the sentiment of disregard for non-Oromos. These developments have led many Ethiopians, including the Amhara, to view the changes since 2018 as no more than cosmetic – a shift from a TPLF-dominated EPRDF, which Abiy fronted at the last, to an OPP-dominated PP, which Abiy controls.

Although Abiy continues to oscillate between pledges to allies and veiled threats to adversaries, a growing number of observers have come to view his words as part of a strategy to both persuade and perplex. In a telling remark, the President of the Oromia Region, a close confidant of Abiy, referred to the OPP’s relationship with Amharas as a
convince and/or confuse
approach.

Amidst this contestation, Amhara grievances from the pre-Abiy period have worsened, and new, more profound concerns have emerged.

2. Assassinations and unstable leadership

The events that unfolded in June 2019 in Bahir Dar, the capital city of Amhara, marked a critical turning point in the relationship between Abiy Ahmed and the Amhara people. The tragic incident resulted in the assassination of Regional President Ambachaw Mekonnen and four other bureau heads, including General Asaminew Tsigie, who was in charge of security. The aftermath of these killings has been marred by conflicting narratives and deep-seated suspicions, further straining the ties between the central government and the Amhara Region.

Prior to the violence, tensions between President Ambachaw and General Asaminew had been reported, leading to speculation about the potential for unrest. Abiy’s assertion that the incident was a failed coup https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2019/0 ... -die-hard/ orchestrated by General Asaminew to seize power was met with skepticism by many Amhara political actors. Many within the region have expressed doubts, increasingly believing that Abiy himself may have played a role in the events to eliminate a regional leadership that had been vocal about the rising hegemony of the Oromo Prosperity Party (OPP) and the neglect of Amhara’s security concerns.

The aftermath of the Bahir Dar tragedy has been riddled with controversy, further complicating the Amhara’s perception of Abiy’s leadership. The detention of numerous opposition party leaders and media figures in the aftermath of the killings, followed by their eventual release due to lack of evidence, has fuelled suspicions of complicity on the part of the federal government.

In the wake of the incident, Abiy’s actions have added to the growing disillusionment within the Amhara community. The consistent removal of Amhara regional presidents has been perceived by many as a deliberate strategy to prevent the emergence of strong Amhara leadership capable of challenging OPP’s aspirations. This has led to a weakening of the Amhara Prosperity Party’s regional influence and a perception of its subservience to Abiy’s central authority, further eroding the legitimacy of his administration among the Amhara populace.

3. Amhara Persecution in Oromia

Throughout Abiy Ahmed Ali’s tenure, one of the defining and distressing features has been the escalation of targeted killings of Amhara https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/worl ... acres.html in the Oromia Region. The roots of this hostility can be traced back to the Derg period when Amhara were scapegoated for past issues in Ethiopia. Under Abiy, there has been a resurgence of these targeted attacks.

The Amhara Association of America, which monitors targeted violence against Amhara, documented an alarming figure of over 3,300 killings https://www.amharaamerica.org/post/aaa- ... t-may-2022 in 2021 alone – most of them in Oromia. The situation has become so dire that Amhara regional officials estimate more than a million Amhara have fled to their region, seeking refuge from persecution in Oromia.

The responsibility for many of the targeted attacks against Amhara have often been attributed to the Oromo Liberation Army, but the crisis is compounded by Abiy’s refusal to acknowledge the atrocities, and at times, the Ethiopian National Defense Force’s (ENDF) reluctance to provide protection. Tragically, there have been instances where ENDF has been involved in the killing of Amhara. Additionally, security forces in Oromia have been frequently accused of targeting Amhara, deepening the sense of blame directed towards Abiy for what Amhara perceive as genocide against their community in Oromia.

The Tole https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... -attack-2/ massacre in June 2022, where over 550 https://www.amharaamerica.org/_files/ug ... fecc8b.pdf Amhara lost their lives, further intensified the calls for holding Abiy accountable. The Amhara Region has witnessed several rounds of protests condemning Abiy for failing to protect their community from targeted killings in Oromia. The Amhara Association of America demanded the resignation https://www.amharaamerica.org/post/call ... lis-abdisa of both Abiy and Oromia Regional president, Shimelis Abdisa, in the aftermath of Tole.

4. Abiy, the Orthodox Christians and the Muslims

Over the past few years, both Orthodox Christian and Muslim institutions in Ethiopia have experienced internal divisions. Abiy Ahmed, who is Pentecostal, has been actively involved in addressing these divisions, initially facilitating reconciliation efforts that unified divided synods of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. However, more recently, his involvement has raised concerns, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64597375 with accusations directed at him of installing his loyalists in these institutions.

Although the resentment over this meddling is shared among members of the same faith in different ethnic groups, the resentment among the Amhara runs deep as they perceive that Abiy’s meddling has resulted in appointing leaders known to be hostile towards the Amhara. This is particularly evident among the Muslims; Amhara Muslims have protested against the new Muslim leadership, expressing their support for the former leader from Wollo in Amhara.

A recent division within the Orthodox Church saw Oromo bishops threatening to form their own synod. In this instance, Abiy aligned himself with the Oromo bishops and deployed government forces to escort them as they forcefully occupied churches in Oromia. The bishops later abandoned their plans and rejoined the Holy Synod after receiving promises of more Oromo bishop appointments, https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2023/0 ... ns-remain/ which in effect, reduced the number of Amhara bishops. This outcome came as a result of intense pressure from Abiy and Shimelis Abdisa, Oromia’s regional president.

5. Mistrust and Disagreement during the Tigray war

Fano, and Amhara Regional Special Forces (ARSF) fought against TPLF supporting ENDF. While many mistake this as support for Abiy, the Amhara fought against TPLF because they wanted to liberate Amhara in Wolkait https://www.hornafricainsight.org/post/ ... on-by-tplf and Raya, https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2019/0 ... by-tigray/ historical areas TPLF annexed in the early 1990s. Indeed, once these areas came under Amhara administration, Amhara forces did not cross into proper Tigray with ENDF. But when Abiy withdrew ENDF from Tigray suddenly and without discussion with the regional leadership, the Amhara found themselves vulnerable to attack by TPLF. The latter went deep into Amhara and committed war crimes, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... ara-towns/ including sexual violence against more than a thousand women, killing hundreds of civilians, https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/et ... 021-11-01/ and destruction and embezzlement https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news ... ce=Twitter of property that Amhara region officials say have undone 30 years of development in the region.

Many blamed the decision to turn Amhara into a war zone as a stab in the back and even a conspiracy to weaken the Amhara. Complaints of some Oromo generals retreating without fighting and leaving heavy weapons to TPLF further created mistrust between Amhara forces and Abiy/ENDF.

6. Amhara Exclusion from the Pretoria Deal

The most significant grievance among the Amhara regarding the conflict in northern Ethiopia stemmed from their exclusion from the peace deal in Pretoria. The Amhara formed a negotiation team https://www.amharaamerica.org/post/amha ... ial-envoys comprising politicians, leaders of Amhara forces, and Fano, citing the unique reasons for their fight against the TPLF and the lack of legitimacy of the PP among the Amhara. Abiy argued that several members of his negotiation team are Amhara, and hence, the Amhara did not need a separate delegation.

Western diplomats initially expressed a willingness to consider a separate delegation. Focused on getting a deal, they chose to ignore the Amhara after Abiy’s opposition. In the end, the Amhara were not invited to Pretoria, and the Amhara Prosperity Party members that Abiy nominated were not present during the Pretoria negotiations. They had a marginal role in the negotiation process that was dictated and ultimately signed by non-Amhara Abiy loyalists.

The exclusion from the peace process and the perceived risk https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zkmk/ ... l-refugees to their hard-fought gains further exacerbated the already strained relationship between the Amhara and the central government. Abiy’s government announced plans to disarm Fano and responded with mass arrests https://apnews.com/article/politics-ken ... 22e8469887 targeted at activists and Amhara journalists.

7. Disbanding the Amhara Regional Special Force

The most immediate trigger of the current conflict in Amhara was the abrupt decision of the ruling Prosperity Party in April 2023 to disband the highly respected ARSF, renowned for their prowess demonstrated in the prior Northern Ethiopia war. The party’s claim of restructuring all regional forces into Federal forces rang hollow as it began with the Amhara Region. This move, considered unconstitutional https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/ ... n-ethiopia as it dissolved a regional force established by the regional council, was widely interpreted as Abiy’s attempt to weaken the Amhara and pave the way for the re-annexation of Wolkait and Raya by TPLF.

Amhara vehemently protested in several areas https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65194146 in the region and clashed https://www.voanews.com/a/ethiopia-pm-v ... 42661.html with the ENDF following the announcement. By the government’s own admission, more than 30%
of ARSF units either joined Fano or left their posts, resulting in a period of turmoil. Subsequently, a series of targeted assassinations took place, aimed at Abiy loyalists within the APP and police commanders who had mobilized against Fano. The conflict escalated further as Fano gained control of cities in North Shewa by late July.

Fueled by growing resentment, Fano has garnered widespread popular support, leading to a surge in confrontations across the region. Roads have been blocked to hinder the movement of ENDF units, and ambushes against ENDF have occurred in multiple areas. Fano has also exerted efforts to hinder ENDF’s air transport capabilities by controlling airports, as exemplified in Lalibela.

Notably, some of the more than two dozen cities under Fano’s control are situated less than 100 kilometers from the regional council. With Abiy and the ENDF on the backfoot, the deployment of drones against Fano is anticipated. While drones may disrupt conventional fighting logistics, Fano’s hit-and-run tactics could inflict damage on ENDF.

Abiy has already turned off the internet in the region, something he does when his forces lose battles and want to conceal atrocities against civilians. Regardless of the outcome on the battlefield, the conflict’s toll on humanitarian well-being and the political landscape within the nation and the region is bound to be profound and enduring.



Hone Mandefro is a Ph.D. Candidate in Social and Cultural Analysis at Concordia University. He is a regular commentator on Ethiopian politics and serves as advocacy director for the Amhara Association of America.

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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Union » 04 Nov 2023, 11:36

Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one. :lol:

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
We've never been colonized!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:






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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 04 Nov 2023, 12:02

My feet washing- qondaf ugume, just obey this....



....and STFU! :lol:


union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one. :lol:

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
We've never been colonized!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:






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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Union » 04 Nov 2023, 12:12

:lol: :lol: :lol: ascari zeemso

I exposed your low IQ self. Next time don't open your anbeta filled mouth and talk crap about Ethiopia. I don't care what you do with your agames :lol:

Yes, we are uncolonized, untouched, intact! And that makes your jealousy ascari blood boil :lol:




Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 12:02
My feet washing- qondaf ugume, just obey this....



....and STFU! :lol:


union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one. :lol:

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
We've never been colonized!
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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by kebena05 » 04 Nov 2023, 13:16

Belaynesh Agame
I know Zmeselo has hurt your little agame feelings :lol:
To understand what Zmeselo is saying, it takes an IQ 50 or more.....save this thread, once you reach above 50 then you may understand what he saying.
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one. :lol:

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
We've never been colonized!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:






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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Union » 04 Nov 2023, 13:50

Here comes the other low IQ ascari akaleguzi aka euroland aka sadacha trying to defend his indefensible ascari brother :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

እናንተ ቁጫጮች ባትኖሩ በምን እንስሳ ነበር
kebena05 wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:16
Belaynesh Agame
I know Zmeselo has hurt your little agame feelings :lol:
To understand what Zmeselo is saying, it takes an IQ 50 or more.....save this thread, once you reach above 50 then you may understand what he saying.
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one. :lol:

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
We've never been colonized!
:lol






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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 04 Nov 2023, 14:41

አሜሪካ ጀምሩት ብላለች።


We rest our case, white áss sniffing Kunta! :lol:


union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:50
Here comes the other low IQ ascari akaleguzi aka euroland aka sadacha trying to defend his indefensible ascari brother :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

እናንተ ቁጫጮች ባትኖሩ በምን እንስሳ ነበር
kebena05 wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:16
Belaynesh Agame
I know Zmeselo has hurt your little agame feelings :lol:
To understand what Zmeselo is saying, it takes an IQ 50 or more.....save this thread, once you reach above 50 then you may understand what he saying.
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one. :lol:

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
We've never been colonized!
:lol






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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Fiyameta » 04 Nov 2023, 15:44

ተራሮችን ያንቀጠቀጠ ትውልድ in Yemen :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by kebena05 » 04 Nov 2023, 18:24

union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:50

እናንተ ቁጫጮች ባትኖሩ በምን እንስሳ ነበር


Belaynesh
Is this supposed to be Amharic? Why bother in Amharic that you have difficulty writing, instead, write in Agamigna

Are you still cheering for "Fano"? Ye Tigre Fano :lol: :lol:

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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Union » 04 Nov 2023, 23:16

Ascari talking to me about sniffing italians' as's, I know the world is fuckd but I didn't know it was this bad :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 14:41
አሜሪካ ጀምሩት ብላለች።


We rest our case, white áss sniffing Kunta! :lol:


union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:50
Here comes the other low IQ ascari akaleguzi aka euroland aka sadacha trying to defend his indefensible ascari brother

እናንተ ቁጫጮች ባትኖሩ በምን እንስሳ ነበር
kebena05 wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:16
Belaynesh Agame
I know Zmeselo has hurt your little agame feelings :lol:
To understand what Zmeselo is saying, it takes an IQ 50 or more.....save this thread, once you reach above 50 then you may understand what he saying.
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one. :lol:

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
We've never been colonized!
:lol






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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 05 Nov 2023, 06:46

The British saved you from sniffing Italian áss because they wanted their ásses sniffed instead, mr. Churchill godena. :lol:

Have you eaten your USAID biscuits today, as a good boy? :lol:
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 23:16
Ascari talking to me about sniffing italians' as's, I know the world is [deleted] but I didn't know it was this bad :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 14:41
አሜሪካ ጀምሩት ብላለች።


We rest our case, white áss sniffing Kunta! :lol:


union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:50
Here comes the other low IQ ascari akaleguzi aka euroland aka sadacha trying to defend his indefensible ascari brother

እናንተ ቁጫጮች ባትኖሩ በምን እንስሳ ነበር
kebena05 wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:16
Belaynesh Agame
I know Zmeselo has hurt your little agame feelings
To understand what Zmeselo is saying, it takes an IQ 50 or more.....save this thread, once you reach above 50 then you may understand what he saying.
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one.

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 08:23
:lol






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Union
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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Union » 05 Nov 2023, 11:53

You stup'id slave ascari akaleguzi, jealous of the never colonized warrior Ethiopians! :lol: keep boiling you ascari blood over Ethiopians been never colonized :lol:

British never have intention to stay in Ethiopia, NOT even for a one night!, as conquerors ! :lol: They are smart, they new they will be eaten alive and be embarrassed by the Fanos and lose their worldwide respect. So they never tired to stay in Ethiopia. The mighty Ethiopian Fanos!!!

And, let me teach your ascari-salve as's about Ethiopian history, Gonder was already free in a few months from Italians invaders then in few more months, Gojam was totally free. That is why moges asgedom and abriha deboch run away to Gonder after they attacked the Italian general in Addis.

In addition the Shewa Fano warrior, Abebe Arega, was cleaning them out of Shewa. Then, the British sensed the mighty warrior Ethiopians are destroying Italy, just like what Fano is doing now to Oromuma. Then, after senseing the imminent defeat of Itally, they announced Haile Selassie will go back to Ethiopia which put the international pressure on Italy as well. So they left leaving behind they surrendered soldiers. As Fano Jagama Kello described it he alone had 5 Italian soldier whom one of them was made a day labourer at his home. And sold some of the Italians to other Ethiopians.

It is too difficult for your ascari-salve a'ss to imagine your slave master being slave in Ethiopia! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Any thing is possible with Ethiopians!

Oh the mighty Ethiopia, the pride of the world :lol:

Zmeselo wrote:
05 Nov 2023, 06:46
The British saved you from sniffing Italian áss because they wanted their ásses sniffed instead, mr. Churchill godena. :lol:

Have you eaten your USAID biscuits today, as a good boy? :lol:
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 23:16
Ascari talking to me about sniffing italians' as's, I know the world is [deleted] but I didn't know it was this bad :lol
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 14:41
አሜሪካ ጀምሩት ብላለች።


We rest our case, white áss sniffing Kunta!


union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:50
Here comes the other low IQ ascari akaleguzi aka euroland aka sadacha trying to defend his indefensible ascari brother

እናንተ ቁጫጮች ባትኖሩ በምን እንስሳ ነበር
kebena05 wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:16
Belaynesh Agame
I know Zmeselo has hurt your little agame feelings
To understand what Zmeselo is saying, it takes an IQ 50 or more.....save this thread, once you reach above 50 then you may understand what he saying.
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 11:36
Agames should have not send thier kids to the war. Now they are paying for it..

But your low IQ comment about "we have never been colonized" is a funny one.

Your slave as's is saying if agamea were colonized this would have not happened to them. If that is true, why did you ascaris migrated in hundreds of thousands then? :lol:


Zmeselo
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Posts: 36754
Joined: 30 Jul 2010, 20:43

Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 05 Nov 2023, 13:10

Mike Hammer is coming...Blinken is coming....


You're colonized today, wild possum.

Italian Ethiopia (Italian: Etiopia italiana), also known as the Italian Empire of Ethiopia, was the territory of the Ethiopian Empire which was occupied by Italy for approximately five years. Italian Ethiopia was not an administrative entity, but the formal name of the former territory of the Ethiopian Empire which now constituted the Governorates of Amhara, Harar, Galla-Sidamo, and Scioa after the establishment of Italian East Africa (Africa Orientale Italiana, AOI).



union wrote:
05 Nov 2023, 11:53
You stup'id slave ascari akaleguzi, jealous of the never colonized warrior Ethiopians! :lol: keep boiling you ascari blood over Ethiopians been never colonized :lol:

British never have intention to stay in Ethiopia, NOT even for a one night!, as conquerors ! :lol: They are smart, they new they will be eaten alive and be embarrassed by the Fanos and lose their worldwide respect. So they never tired to stay in Ethiopia. The mighty Ethiopian Fanos!!!

And, let me teach your ascari-salve as's about Ethiopian history, Gonder was already free in a few months from Italians invaders then in few more months, Gojam was totally free. That is why moges asgedom and abriha deboch run away to Gonder after they attacked the Italian general in Addis.

In addition the Shewa Fano warrior, Abebe Arega, was cleaning them out of Shewa. Then, the British sensed the mighty warrior Ethiopians are destroying Italy, just like what Fano is doing now to Oromuma. Then, after senseing the imminent defeat of Itally, they announced Haile Selassie will go back to Ethiopia which put the international pressure on Italy as well. So they left leaving behind they surrendered soldiers. As Fano Jagama Kello described it he alone had 5 Italian soldier whom one of them was made a day labourer at his home. And sold some of the Italians to other Ethiopians.

It is too difficult for your ascari-salve a'ss to imagine your slave master being slave in Ethiopia! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Any thing is possible with Ethiopians!

Oh the mighty Ethiopia, the pride of the world :lol:

Zmeselo wrote:
05 Nov 2023, 06:46
The British saved you from sniffing Italian áss because they wanted their ásses sniffed instead, mr. Churchill godena. :lol:

Have you eaten your USAID biscuits today, as a good boy? :lol:
union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 23:16
Ascari talking to me about sniffing italians' as's, I know the world is [deleted] but I didn't know it was this bad :lol
Zmeselo wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 14:41
አሜሪካ ጀምሩት ብላለች።


We rest our case, white áss sniffing Kunta!


union wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:50
Here comes the other low IQ ascari akaleguzi aka euroland aka sadacha trying to defend his indefensible ascari brother

እናንተ ቁጫጮች ባትኖሩ በምን እንስሳ ነበር
kebena05 wrote:
04 Nov 2023, 13:16
Belaynesh Agame
I know Zmeselo has hurt your little agame feelings
To understand what Zmeselo is saying, it takes an IQ 50 or more.....save this thread, once you reach above 50 then you may understand what he saying.


Zmeselo
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Re: Chgray exodus, continues!

Post by Zmeselo » 05 Nov 2023, 13:36

Menelik is recorded in black and white for everybody to see which at one point, he wrote to King Umberto of Italy and said, among other things, that
I beg Your Majesty to defend me against every one as I don't know what European kings will say about this let others know that this region is ours.
(Chris Prouty, "Empress Taytu and Menelik II," page 54)

Menelik is also again on record telling the then Italian representative to Ethiopia, Count Antonelli,
that he loved Italy so much that HE FELT 'HALF ITALIAN' AND HAD NO GREATER WISH THAN TO GO THERE AND SEE IT.
(Prouty, page 57)

Mr Prouty recounted
Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes).
There after,
added Menelik,
God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have.
(Prouty, page 61)


Alula, did his bid:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.
And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,
And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
(Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)


Alula cleverly invited
the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri, who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, refused the handover. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
(Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)

The first time the British came to Ethiopia was in the 1860s, when Emperor Tewedros imprisoned the entire British Embassy led by Capitan Cameron at his headquarter in Meqdella.

Once the news of Captain Cameron imprisonment reached Queen Victoria, she sent out Lord General Napier and his Indian colonial troops with huge armaments carried by more than 40 elephants. Thus they found a willing local traitor and collaborator, Dejach Kassa (later named Emperor Yohannes). Kassa not only provided the forces of Lord Napier with literally thousands of men and animals for transportation, but also personally led them to the gate of Emperor Tewedros where the British forces. The prize for Kassa: Lord Napier left him all the modern armaments he came with and Kassa used it to subdue his opponents and became Emperor of Ethiopia. (This part was covered in Ullendorff, page 84-85)

The second time the British came to Ethiopia, was in 1941. This time too, they never came with the intention of colonizing Ethiopia. If they had any intention to do so, everything was in their power and in their hand. They could have done it, militarily.

So why did the British come in the first place and liberated Ethiopia, when every beefy Ethiopian Ras was compromised with Italian lira (Italian currency) and Haile Sellassie was happily settled at the town of Bath in England; doing nothing except contacting Mussolini via the Vatican and demanding adequate compensation of Lira and proper title in return for his offer of Ethiopia becoming a protectorate? Which btw, Mussolini actually offered him one million pounds sterling for his abdication?

Professor John Spencer wrote in his memoir, that Haile Sellassie attempted three times to negotiate with Mussolini via the Vatican. The main reason the negotiation for abdication didn't succeed, was because the British government didn't want to see Mussolini achieve legal occupation of Ethiopia.
(See "Ethiopia At Bay," page 84)

There is also another important point that needs to be made clear. Haile Sellassie never cared about his people, much less about Eritrea. Throughout his carrier, he only cared about how to continue to hold on to power. Once he was kicked out from power by Mussolini's forces, and before he left for England, he too was ready to hand over the Northern half of Ethiopia to Italy just as Menelik did with Eritrea. Here is how it went, as Jasper Ridley points it out in his Mussolini's Biography.
In his desperate act to hold power, Haile Sellassie now made a secret peace overture to Mussolini, sending a former Ethiopian Minister in Rome to contact the Italian consul in Djibouti. HE OFFERED TO SELL A LARGE PART OF EHTIOPIA TO ITALY FOR ONE AND HALF MILLIARD LIRA AND TO APPOINT SIX ITALIAN ADVISORS TO DIRECT THE POLICY OF HIS GOVERNMENT. MUSSOLINI SENT A COURTEOUS REPLY TO THE INTERMIEDIARY, EXPRESSING HIS PLEASURE THAT THE NEGUS HAD AT LAST DECIDED TO NEGOTAIT DIRECTLY WITH HIM; but he said the offer was UNACCEPTABLE.
(J. Ridley, page 270)


Anthony Mockler pointed out,
Britain's war with Italy was Haile Sellassie's opportunity, indeed his only hope of ever recovering his throne.
("Haile Sellassie's War," page 212.)




Dawit Wolde Giorgis, had said,
Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians are typical examples.
(Red Tears, page 74)

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