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Democrats Splinter!

Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 08:34
by Zmeselo


https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-sp ... 47440.html



Democrats Splinter Over Israel as the Young, Diverse Left Rages at Biden

Reid J. Epstein and Anjali Huynh

Fri, October 27, 2023


The Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh on Oct. 30, 2018. (Hilary Swift/The New York Times)

The Democratic Party’s yearslong unity behind President Joe Biden is beginning to erode over his steadfast support of Israel in its escalating war with the Palestinians, with a left-leaning coalition of young voters and people of color showing more discontent toward him than at any point since he was elected.

From Capitol Hill to Hollywood, in labor unions and liberal activist groups, and on college campuses and in high school cafeterias, a raw emotional divide over the conflict is convulsing liberal America.

While moderate Democrats and critics on the right have applauded Biden’s backing of Israel, he faces new resistance from an energized faction of his party that views the Palestinian cause as an extension of the racial and social justice movements that dominated American politics in the summer of 2020.

In protests, open letters, staff revolts and walkouts, liberal Democrats are demanding that Biden break with decadeslong U.S. policy and call for a cease-fire.

The political power of the Israel skeptics within the party is untested, with more than a year remaining until the 2024 presidential election. Their efforts have been fractious and disorganized, and they have little agreement on how much blame to lay at Biden’s feet or whether to punish him in November 2024 if he ignores their pleas.

And yet Biden is already struggling with low Democratic enthusiasm, and it would not take much of a slip in support from voters who backed him in 2020 to throw his reelection bid into question. His margin of victory in key battleground states was just a few thousand votes — hardly enough to spare a significant drop-off from young voters alienated by his loyalty to a right-wing Israeli government they see as hostile to their values.

At its heart, the turbulence over Israel is a fundamental disagreement over policy, setting it apart from challenges like voters’ dissatisfaction with the economy, which Biden’s allies believe can be solved with better messaging. The president, who has for decades positioned himself in the middle of his party and has navigated Democrats’ ideological and generational divide for the first half of his term, now confronts an issue that has no easy middle ground.

Perhaps most concerning for Biden is that in the halls of Congress, the most critical Democratic voices are Black and Hispanic Democrats who helped fuel his 2020 victory. As of Thursday, all 18 House members who had signed onto a resolution calling for an
immediate de-escalation and cease-fire in Israel and occupied Palestine
were people of color.
We process pain, deprivation and cruelty personally, having either encountered it in our current lives or having had historical connections to it with our ancestors,
said Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman of New Jersey, one of the cease-fire resolution’s co-sponsors.
So we understand that cruelty and war and violence do not have positive outcomes.
For Democrats in Congress and in liberal groups in Washington, pressure to oppose Biden’s Israel policy is bubbling up from younger, more progressive staff members who have grown up in an environment more doubtful about Israel.

Hundreds of former staff members who worked for the presidential campaigns of Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts this week signed open letters urging them to introduce a similar cease-fire resolution in the Senate.

The senators have resisted such calls, but Sanders this week urged a “humanitarian pause,” a position that some other liberal lawmakers and groups have begun to embrace and that Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said
must be considered.
Other progressive lawmakers, however, argue that such a pause does not go far enough.
A humanitarian pause, what is that?
said Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri, who introduced the cease-fire resolution.
We need a cease-fire. We need to stop bombs from being dropped on hospitals and on schools and communities.
At MoveOn, the liberal activist group that endorsed Biden in April, younger staff members revolted after the organization issued an initial statement condemning the Hamas attack that ignited the current war without addressing Israel’s conduct toward the Palestinians.
There was a vocal percentage of our staff that did express their opinions,
Rahna Epting, MoveOn’s executive director, said in an interview.
I reminded them that ultimately we need to go to the members and see where they are.
MoveOn’s latest statement on the war, a petition, underscores the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip and states that
President Biden and our leaders must publicly call for an immediate cease-fire.
Differences over Israel policy have caused conflict even among the nation’s top union officials. The executive committee of the AFL-CIO addressed the issue during a tense meeting Monday night that was dominated by a 30-minute anti-Israel monologue from the president of the American Postal Workers Union, who described himself as an
anti-Zionist Jew.
Many on the left, however, acknowledge that Biden remains preferable to a Republican alternative in 2024. Epting said MoveOn could
support President Biden and apply pressure to him at the same time.
Matt Duss, a former foreign policy adviser to Sanders who is among the most vocal proponents of a cease-fire, condemned Biden’s hug-Israel approach — but said he would not withhold support for Biden next year over the differences.
Is this worth losing an election to Trump and all that would bring? No,
Duss said.
At the same time, I think it’s on Biden to understand where his voters are.
For many on the left, sympathy for the Palestinian cause stems from the same feelings of powerlessness that fueled the protests after George Floyd’s murder three years ago.
There’s definitely a direct correlation,
said DaMareo Cooper, a co-executive director of the Center for Popular Democracy, a collective of progressive community groups.
When we say Black Lives Matter, what’s really being said inside of that statement is a history of oppression.
Biden’s allies dismissed the prospect that his position on Israel would damage him in 2024. Rep. Ritchie Torres of New York, one of the most outspoken Democratic supporters of Israel in Congress, said he had been offended by cease-fire calls that did not also demand that Hamas release American and Israeli hostages.
We have to be careful not to mistake a visible vocal minority for a majority,
Torres said.
The critics of Israel have far more power on social media than in the real world.
Demonstrations against U.S. policy in Israel have spread from the Capitol and college campuses — Cornel West, the left-wing independent presidential candidate, appeared at a rally Wednesday at UCLA — to high schools across the country. Students at several high schools in northern Virginia walked out of classes this week in a “Humanitarian Walkout Week.” The presidents of George Washington and Emory universities, among others, condemned anti-Israel slogans chanted at rallies and projected on buildings.

An array of liberal groups have adopted the Palestinian cause. This week in New York City, one protest sign read,
Reproductive justice means justice for Palestine.
At another demonstration in New York, hundreds marched under the banner of
[deleted] for Liberation in Palestine.
I feel very betrayed by Biden,
said Angela Balya, 28, a protester in New York who said she had volunteered for the Biden campaign in 2020.
I definitely will not be voting for him again.
The Sunrise Movement, a coalition of young, progressive climate activists that mobilized on behalf of Biden’s campaign in 2020, is one such group that has called for a cease-fire. Some in the organization have been “raising questions” about whether they and other young people will mobilize for Biden again, said Michele Weindling, the group’s political director.
If the Democratic Party and President Biden continue to send weapons and military support to Israel, it threatens to lose our generation, and that’s a very dangerous choice to make ahead of a critical election year,
Weindling said.

The United States’ support for Israel is unpopular with voters under 35, polling has shown, and students at dozens of colleges on Wednesday afternoon walked out of class as part of a nationwide mobilization effort by the group Students for Justice in Palestine.
President Biden has shown to people that there’s virtually no difference between Republicans and Democrats on the question of the mass atrocities being leveled against Gaza,
said Kaleem Hawa, who has helped organize student protests with the Palestinian Youth Movement.

Few liberal organizations have had as raw a discussion about Israel as the AFL-CIO did at the Monday night meeting of its executive council.

Mark Dimondstein, the president of the postal union, argued that Israel and the Palestinian territories should be combined into a single state. He called for the AFL-CIO to demand a cease-fire, according to four people familiar with the contents of the meeting.

No other labor leader in the meeting offered vocal support for his position.

Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, who is married to a rabbi, responded by asserting Israel’s right to defend itself, the people familiar with the meeting said. Weingarten said she backed establishing an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel.
That has been part of the Democratic platform for as long as I can remember,
she said.

Dimondstein, whose union represents more than 220,000 postal workers, said he was
not part of the Democratic Party
and, like Weingarten, declined to discuss the AFL-CIO call.
I’m not answering your questions,
he said.

Some of the left-wing demonstrators’ demands fall well outside the American political mainstream.
The occupation and the existence of Israel is not peaceful; there is no ‘maintaining the peace’ with a violent settler state,
read one bullet in an online document posted by the Democratic Socialists of America and shared widely this week among pro-cease-fire organizers.

At a protest in New York on Wednesday, protesters chanted,
We don’t want no two states, we want all of it.


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Left revolts over Biden’s staunch support of Israel amid Gaza crisis

Lauren Gambino in Washington DC

Sat, October 28, 2023


Photograph: Robert Nickelsberg/Getty Images

On Wednesday afternoon, hundreds of liberal Jewish American activists staged sit-ins in the Capitol Hill offices of top Democrats, including in the senate office of progressive champion Bernie Sanders, to demand a ceasefire in the escalating war between Israel and Hamas.

As they sang in Hebrew and prayed for peace, the House floor resumed legislative activity for the first time in weeks after the election of a new Republican speaker, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... eaker-vote congressman Mike Johnson.

In his first act, Johnson brought to the floor a resolution https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... 71/actions declaring US solidarity with Israel after Hamas rampaged through Israeli cities, killing 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostages, Americans among them. Nearly all House Democrats voted to approve the measure, save for a resolute https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023528 minority who dissented, citing its failure to address the thousands of Palestinians killed in Israel’s retaliatory bombing campaign of Gaza.

The discontent on display in Washington was a testament to the rising anger among the party’s left over the response from Biden and Democratic leaders to Israel’s war in Gaza. But as many progressives split from the White House over the US’s staunchly pro-Israel stance, there were also splits within the left itself – a sign of the raw emotions stirred by the conflict.

Nor were the scenes in the House the only signs of discontent as US politics – and civil society as a whole – becomes increasingly roiled by Israel’s response to the 7 October Hamas attack.

That same afternoon, Joe Biden was asked about the rising Palestinian death toll during a news conference at the White House. Biden replied that he had “no confidence” in the death count provided by the Gaza health ministry, which says nearly 7,000 Palestinians have been killed since the war began.
I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s the price of waging a war,
Biden said, in comments the Council on American-Islamic Relations described as
shocking and dehumanizing.
https://www.cair.com/press_releases/bre ... asualties/

Online, many progressives seethed, accusing Biden of further enabling violence against Palestinians and predicting that he would pay an electoral price next year with Muslim and Arab American voters, who have emerged as an important Democratic constituency in recent elections.
The White House and many in the US government are clear as they should be that 1,000 Israelis killed is too many,
said Eva Borgwardt, the political director of IfNotNow, a progressive Jewish group leading many of the demonstrations in Washington, including the one at the Capitol on Wednesday.
Our question for them is: How many Palestinian deaths are too many?
As Israel intensifies its bombardment of Gaza, Biden is facing extraordinary and growing resistance from his party’s left flank, especially from young voters and voters of color, over his steadfast support for Israel. They have staged demonstrations, penned open letters and even tendered resignations https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ons-israel in protest of the Biden administration’s handling of a war they say is threatening the president’s standing at home and possibly his chances of winning re-election next year.

A Gallup poll https://news.gallup.com/poll/513305/dem ... roval.aspx released on Thursday found that Biden’s approval rating among Democrats plummeted 11 percentage points in one month, to a record low of 75%. According to the survey, the drop was fueled by dismay among Democratic voters over Biden’s support for Israel.

Meanwhile, a poll https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/20 ... ce-in-gaza released last week by the progressive firm Data for Progress found that 66% of likely US voters strongly or somewhat agree that the US should call for a ceasefire.

Still, the White House has firmly rejected calls for a ceasefire, which Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, initially described as “repugnant” and “disgraceful” in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas attack. The administration’s rhetoric has since evolved, with White House spokesperson John Kirby arguing this week that a ceasefire at this stage
only benefits Hamas.


Asked earlier this week whether the US would support a ceasefire, Biden said:
We should have those hostages released and then we can talk.
Pressure is building in Congress, where 18 House Democrats – all progressive lawmakers of color – joined a resolution calling for the White House to support
an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Israel and occupied Palestine.
On Capitol Hill, a group of Jewish and Muslim staffers https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... pen-letter wrote an anonymous open letter to their bosses similarly calling for an “immediate ceasefire” between Israel and Hamas. Urging congressional leaders to act swiftly, they cited the rising death toll in Gaza and the rise of antisemitism, anti-Muslim and anti-Palestinian sentiments in the United States.

Meanwhile, hundreds of former campaign and congressional staffers to progressive senators, including Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/10/20/ ... ease-fire/ John Fetterman of Pennsylvania https://theintercept.com/2023/10/20/joh ... ael-hamas/ and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, have penned open letters urging them to call for a ceasefire.

So far no senator has backed a ceasefire. Warren, Sanders and several other Democratic senators https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/news/p ... ed-nations have urged a “humanitarian pause” to allow aid, food and medical supplies to flow into Gaza after Israel ordered a “complete siege” of the territory. It echoes the position of the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, who said earlier this week that it “must be considered” to protect civilian life.

Sanders’ resistance to back a ceasefire has disappointed some of even his most loyal followers, in a sign of how emotionally fraught the debate over Israel has become on the left.

Though the 2024 presidential election is a year away, many progressives, and especially younger activists, have threatened to withhold support for Biden, while Arab and Muslim Americans have expressed deep alarm over the president’s actions and rhetoric.

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, the only Palestinian American in Congress, has accused Biden of abetting the deadly war.
We will remember where you stood,
she wrote wrote in a social media post tagging the president.

At his press conference on Wednesday, Biden also cautioned Israel to be
incredibly careful to ensure they’re going after the folks propagating this war.


For many on the left, the warning was buried behind his comments casting doubt on the scale of war deaths in Gaza.
Like many progressive Democrats, I have applauded and been pleasantly surprised by President Biden’s actions on climate and the economy,
Waleed Shahid, a progressive strategist tracking the administration’s response to the war, wrote on X, formerly Twitter.
But he’s crossed a moral line with nearly every Muslim, Arab and anti-war young voter I know.
The White House said on Thursday the Biden administration did not dispute that thousands of Palestinians had been killed and emphasized that the health ministry was run by Hamas.

Even a slight erosion in support could spell danger for Biden, who was already struggling with low enthusiasm, particularly among young voters.

In polling conducted after the Hamas attack, a Quinnipiac survey https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3880 found that slightly more than half of voters under 35 say they disapprove of the United States sending weapons and military support to Israel in the wake of the Hamas attack. By contrast, nearly six in 10 voters between the ages of 35 and 49 support sending weapons to Israel, with older age groups offering even stronger approval.

Biden’s allies have largely downplayed the disagreements among the party’s grassroots. They note that most Democrats, including the party’s congressional leaders, the senator Chuck Schumer and the congressman Hakeem Jeffries, are strong supporters of Israel and fully back the president’s handling of the conflict. In the coming weeks, their caucuses are expected to overwhelmingly support a White House request to send $14.3bn https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-uk ... 75d3c3d3cb in security aid to Israel.

A letter https://raskin.house.gov/_cache/files/d ... nflict.pdf to Biden, signed by ​a majority of House Democrats, including every Jewish​ member ​of their caucus and several liberal members, praises his ​
strong leadership during a tragic and dangerous moment in the Middle East​.​
It further commends Biden for displaying​
steadfast support for our ally Israel in a moment of need and horror
while ​also making
clear statements regarding the fundamental importance of ensuring that the humanitarian needs of the civilian population of Gaza are met.
Deep, abiding support for Israel among Democrats on Capitol Hill obscures a shift among the party’s voters, and especially among those who came of age in a post-9/11 US. A Gallup poll conducted in March found for the first time https://news.gallup.com/poll/472070/dem ... nians.aspx that a greater number of Democrats say they sympathize more with Palestinians than Israelis.

Republicans have sought to exploit those divisions in an attempt to cast the Democratic party as anti-Israel, a narrative progressives say media coverage has unfairly promoted.


‘I have long found the ignoring and sidelining of Palestinians … in Congress quite shocking,’ Ocasio-Cortez said. Photograph: Jacquelyn Martin/AP

Many liberal Democrats, including the congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, have forcefully denounced https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... y-new-york pro-Hamas or antisemitic sentiments expressed by the party’s activist fringe. At the same time, they contend that there is a double standard in the way elected officials speak about Palestinians.

They point to comments from Republicans like the senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who described the conflict as a “religious war” and said Israelis should
do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself. Level the place.
Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas, made a similar remark, saying in an interview:
As far as I’m concerned, Israel can bounce the rubble in Gaza.
I have long found the ignoring and sidelining of Palestinians in the US House of Representatives, the humanity of Palestinian populations, in the five years I have been in Congress, quite shocking,
Ocasio-Cortez said recently on MSNBC.

With expectations that a large-scale Israeli invasion of the besieged territory is imminent, demands for an immediate ceasefire have grown louder and more urgent.

In a statement on Friday, amid intensifying bombing and a communications blackout in Gaza, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -territory Alexandra Rojas, the executive director of the progressive group Justice Democrats, implored the president to act now to prevent a ground invasion that would
ensure thousands more civilian casualties, bring us closer to an all-out regional conflict in the Middle East, and thrust the United States into another endless war.
Looking to the future, progressives say the administration must be prepared to dramatically reshape Washington’s decades-long approach to Israel and Palestine.
If we want to take a consistent policy towards human rights, we cannot always be focused on supporting the rights and security of one side here,
said Matt Duss, https://www.internationalpolicy.org/people/Matt-Duss a former foreign policy adviser to Sanders.
The status quo,
he said,
is clearly unsustainable.

Re: Democrats Splinter!

Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 08:55
by Zmeselo


ELECTIONS
The stage was set for the non-Trump field. He stole the show.

The former president found a supportive audience at the Republican Jewish Coalition gathering even after his Hezbollah comments.


Of all the Republican presidential contenders who spoke at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s annual conference Saturday, Trump received the most sustained applause. | Ethan Miller/Getty Images

By ALEX ISENSTADT

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/2 ... n-00124107

10/28/2023

LAS VEGAS — A gathering of Republican presidential aspirants Saturday had all the ingredients for a Donald Trump pile-on.

Instead, it turned into a demonstration of the former president’s dominance in the race — and how swiftly his perceived missteps can be forgotten.

Of all the Republican presidential contenders who spoke at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s annual conference Saturday, Trump received the most sustained applause, with some in the crowd of over 1,000 people holding their iPhones aloft to get a picture of the former president.

He made no reference to comments he’d offered just two weeks ago criticizing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and describing Hezbollah as “very smart” in the aftermath of the attacks in Israel that had killed 1,400. Nor did the crowd seem to fixate on them.
People judge him for what he does,
said Matt Brooks, the RJC’s chief executive officer, referencing elements of Trump’s record like moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem,
as opposed to the noise.
Moments earlier, a more vivid illustration of the hold Trump has on the party came when his one-time vice president, Mike Pence, announced he was suspending his campaign. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/2 ... n-00124097

The former vice president had almost no money left and little chance of making the debate stage in less than two weeks. But his departure from the race, for many in the party, represented something larger than tactical hurdles: Proof that there was no reward for those who stood up to Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

Trump, in his speech, didn’t even bother mentioning his vice president.

Instead, he acknowledged several of his supporters in attendance, including “Pawn Stars” host Rick Harrison. The former president is expected to have dinner Saturday night with Republican mega-donor Miriam Adelson, the widow of casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson. The planned dinner was first reported by The Messenger. https://themessenger.com/news/trump-din ... o-desantis
He’s got an incredible reservoir of goodwill in the Jewish community,
said Brooks.
He’s the frontrunner in a multicandidate field, and there are people supporting the other candidates as well. … But there’s no question, you saw by the response today, the strength of his support.
Few, if any, politicians can swim through crises like Trump, who has survived more than a handful of episodes that pundits predicted would cause his political demise. But his primary campaign this go around has been defined less by political missteps (his legal troubles notwithstanding) than how he’s avoided them.

Trump has curtailed his media exposure, eschewed the stadium rallies that marked his earlier campaigns and refused to participate in either primary debate. His appearance at the RJC forum was notable not just because it came after his praise of Hezbollah’s fighting abilities but because he has so rarely been at events attended by his fellow candidates.

For Trump’s rivals, the confab was perhaps the last chance they would have to share a stage with the former president before the Iowa caucuses in January. And in the lead-up to it, there was anticipation of fireworks.

Former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, who has emerged as one of Trump’s main rivals, took the hardest swings. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/2 ... s-00124102
As president, I will not compliment Hezbollah,
she said.
Nor will I criticize Israel’s prime minister in the middle of tragedy and war.
Haley said the country couldn’t afford
four years of chaos, vendettas and drama
and implied that Trump wouldn’t be the party’s strongest general election candidate.
Republicans,
she said,
need a candidate who can actually win.
But others only took swipes more obliquely.
We’re going to continue to have bad outcomes unless we change horses and have new people elected to leadership,
said Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, another Trump rival.

But there seemed to be little appetite in the room for attacks on the frontrunner. When former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who has been the most outspoken in criticizing Trump, took the stage, he was booed.

Trump, for his part, stayed above the fray and did not hit his opponents. Instead, he used his speech to promote his record on defending Israel and to assail President Joe Biden’s Middle East policies, occasionally with blemishes and bravado. He said his administration had given Israel
sovereignty over the Golan Heights,
in reference to a proclamation https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/pr ... te-israel/ he’d issued saying that the U.S. recognized Israel’s sovereignty over the area. He claimed he would have brought Iran into the Abraham Accords, the diplomatic framework he had used to normalize Arab nation relations with Israel, glossing over his record decrying diplomacy with the country.

The RJC gathering, held at the Venetian resort on the Las Vegas strip, comes at a critical time in the GOP primary. The non-Trump campaigns, predominantly DeSantis’, had looked at the period between Labor Day and the Iowa caucuses in mid-January as the time when ground could be gained on the former president.

But Trump’s lead has remained both steady and daunting. And his decision to avoid the debate stage had deprived his rivals of opportunities to directly challenge him.

The hope, among the non-Trump campaigns, has been that the field would winnow, allowing for a two- or three-person race. For that reason, Pence’s departure is likely to be seen as a positive development in some circles.
They’ve got to beat each other before they can beat Trump. Trump is far and away in the lead, and so only one person will be challenging Trump, I presume, in a runoff. And so they need to get rid of their real competition before they face Donald Trump,
said Fred Zeidman, a major GOP donor in attendance who is backing Haley.

He added,
Pence is a tremendous friend of Israel but it was time to start consolidating the field. Nikki is the only candidate that can beat the Democrats in a general but for now, Trump is holding the primary — with Nikki climbing closer behind.
But the former vice president had very little share of the primary vote, according to the polls. And it’s unclear who will benefit from the suspension of his campaign. At least one prominent Republican used the announcement not to celebrate the possibility of a narrower field but to call on everyone else not named Trump to follow suit.
I was surprised, but I think that’s the right move,
said Montana Sen. Steve Daines, the National Republican Senatorial Committee chair, who has endorsed Trump.
Because it’s clear President Trump is going to be the nominee for Republicans for president, and the sooner we coalesce around him the better it’s going to be.



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Confronting the head-witch:






Re: Democrats Splinter!

Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 09:02
by ethiopianunity
I really don't belive the Israel project is for Jews but another South Africa style colonization by the West for the Middle East. Of course the rich jews are probably in ths too. You notice you can't identify who is the jew and white liberals or conservatives. Just because you embrace Jewish faith does not make you you have the root from that specific area. Anybody can be Chrisitan, Jewish, Muslim by faith. If you notice most dominant Jews tend to be from Eastern Block, they are allowed so that the attention is away from the West.

The reason for this war turning attention away from Ukraine is because it failed the reason for war is to create Martiall Law in U.S to create communist Russia-style dictatorishp that happened in 1917, to eliminate Christians in U.S, democracy and those that oppose dictatorship. That is the goal so that the corporations and globalists can control the U.S and destroy democracy. It is scary, lots of migrants and suspicious groups including Chinese cells are organizing against the U.S that is why the current admin is promoting diversity so that foreigners can control the cities with their distributed arms, Wake up U.S!

Re: Democrats Splinter!

Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 09:23
by Zmeselo
ethiopianunity wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 09:02
I really don't belive the Israel project is for Jews but another South Africa style colonization by the West for the Middle East. Of course the rich jews are probably in ths too. You notice you can't identify who is the jew and white liberals or conservatives. Just because you embrace Jewish faith does not make you you have the root from that specific area. Anybody can be Chrisitan, Jewish, Muslim by faith. If you notice most dominant Jews tend to be from Eastern Block, they are allowed so that the attention is away from the West.

The reason for this war turning attention away from Ukraine is because it failed the reason for war is to create Martiall Law in U.S to create communist Russia-style dictatorishp that happened in 1917, to eliminate Christians in U.S, democracy and those that oppose dictatorship. That is the goal so that the corporations and globalists can control the U.S and destroy democracy. It is scary, lots of migrants and suspicious groups including Chinese cells are organizing against the U.S that is why the current admin is promoting diversity so that foreigners can control the cities with their distributed arms, Wake up U.S!

Hitler's massacres & the European feeling of guilt afterwards helped them a lot; eventhough Zionism started much earlier, with Theodore Herzl. That in turn, was helped by the Dreifuss Affair. No power in Europe wanted to help him then, but the Holocaust accelerated that help.

But all in all, you're right. It was a Rothschild project, eventhough Jews had lived in the area long before that.

There're 3 types of Jews as far as I can tell: those you mentioned (the east european Ashkenazi), the Sephardi (Spanish Jews which later relocated to Arab countries & Turkey because of Spanish persecution) and the oriental or Mizrahi (a grouping of Jewish communities comprising those who remained in the Land of Israel and those who existed in diaspora throughout and around the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) from biblical times into the modern era). I think the Felasha of Ethiopia are grouped with the Mizrahi, but I could be wrong.

Re: Democrats Splinter!

Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 09:54
by ethiopianunity
Zmeselo wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 09:23
ethiopianunity wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 09:02
I really don't belive the Israel project is for Jews but another South Africa style colonization by the West for the Middle East. Of course the rich jews are probably in ths too. You notice you can't identify who is the jew and white liberals or conservatives. Just because you embrace Jewish faith does not make you you have the root from that specific area. Anybody can be Chrisitan, Jewish, Muslim by faith. If you notice most dominant Jews tend to be from Eastern Block, they are allowed so that the attention is away from the West.

The reason for this war turning attention away from Ukraine is because it failed the reason for war is to create Martiall Law in U.S to create communist Russia-style dictatorishp that happened in 1917, to eliminate Christians in U.S, democracy and those that oppose dictatorship. That is the goal so that the corporations and globalists can control the U.S and destroy democracy. It is scary, lots of migrants and suspicious groups including Chinese cells are organizing against the U.S that is why the current admin is promoting diversity so that foreigners can control the cities with their distributed arms, Wake up U.S!

Hitler's massacres & the European feeling of guilt afterwards helped them a lot; eventhough Zionism started much earlier, with Theodore Herzl. That in turn, was helped by the Dreifuss Affair. No power in Europe wanted to help him then, but the Holocaust accelerated that help.

But all in all, you're right. It was a Rothschild project, eventhough Jews had lived in the area long before that.

There're 3 types of Jews as far as I can tell: those you mentioned (the east european Ashkenazi), the Sephardi (Spanish Jews which later relocated to Arab countries & Turkey because of Spanish persecution) and the oriental or Mizrahi (a grouping of Jewish communities comprising those who remained in the Land of Israel and those who existed in diaspora throughout and around the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) from biblical times into the modern era). I think the Felasha of Ethiopia are grouped with the Mizrahi, but I could be wrong.
The real jews have the right on the land of Israel since proof enough they have been targetted by Islam, Rome- pagan and Babylon that caused for their translocation. Christians did nothing to them. But why from European nations flocking in as the next of kin Jews right in area of Palestine and Middle East and Ethiopia. Because of this Europe known for its racist nature, the war is is fueled by this tendency in Israel right now. What needs to be done is the right for REAL jews and Palestinians to have wider area and live in peace without any interference of West, Arabs. Unfortunately it looks like Israel seems a private corporations which is driving the war as wealth is involved in it.

Re: Democrats Splinter!

Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 10:10
by Zmeselo
ethiopianunity wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 09:54
Zmeselo wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 09:23
ethiopianunity wrote:
30 Oct 2023, 09:02
I really don't belive the Israel project is for Jews but another South Africa style colonization by the West for the Middle East. Of course the rich jews are probably in ths too. You notice you can't identify who is the jew and white liberals or conservatives. Just because you embrace Jewish faith does not make you you have the root from that specific area. Anybody can be Chrisitan, Jewish, Muslim by faith. If you notice most dominant Jews tend to be from Eastern Block, they are allowed so that the attention is away from the West.

The reason for this war turning attention away from Ukraine is because it failed the reason for war is to create Martiall Law in U.S to create communist Russia-style dictatorishp that happened in 1917, to eliminate Christians in U.S, democracy and those that oppose dictatorship. That is the goal so that the corporations and globalists can control the U.S and destroy democracy. It is scary, lots of migrants and suspicious groups including Chinese cells are organizing against the U.S that is why the current admin is promoting diversity so that foreigners can control the cities with their distributed arms, Wake up U.S!

Hitler's massacres & the European feeling of guilt afterwards helped them a lot; eventhough Zionism started much earlier, with Theodore Herzl. That in turn, was helped by the Dreifuss Affair. No power in Europe wanted to help him then, but the Holocaust accelerated that help.

But all in all, you're right. It was a Rothschild project, eventhough Jews had lived in the area long before that.

There're 3 types of Jews as far as I can tell: those you mentioned (the east european Ashkenazi), the Sephardi (Spanish Jews which later relocated to Arab countries & Turkey because of Spanish persecution) and the oriental or Mizrahi (a grouping of Jewish communities comprising those who remained in the Land of Israel and those who existed in diaspora throughout and around the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) from biblical times into the modern era). I think the Felasha of Ethiopia are grouped with the Mizrahi, but I could be wrong.
The real jews have the right on the land of Israel since proof enough they have been targetted by Islam, Rome- pagan and Babylon that caused for their translocation. Christians did nothing to them. But why from European nations flocking in as the next of kin Jews right in area of Palestine and Middle East and Ethiopia. Because of this Europe known for its racist nature, the war is is fueled by this tendency in Israel right now. What needs to be done is the right for REAL jews and Palestinians to have wider area and live in peace without any interference of West, Arabs. Unfortunately it looks like Israel seems a private corporations which is driving the war as wealth is involved in it.
When Theodore Herzl lobbied the Jews of his time to relocate to Israel, most refused point blank. Why should we leave our comfortable lives here in the West for a piece of desert land, they said.

When Hitler came to power and when even the US denied them entry, they opted for Palestine. Infact Eritrea & Uganda too, were proposed as places of refuge.