የኦሮሙማ የ3 ቀን ቀይ ባህር ሆያ ሆዬ አከተመ!
Posted: 16 Oct 2023, 08:47
ኦሮሙማ የሺመልስ አቢይ ኦሮሙማ አላዋቂዎች እንኳን ኢትዮጵያን ሊመሩ እንኳን የቀጠና ና አለም አቀፍ ዲፕሎማሲ ሊያካሂዱ ገበያ ሽንኩርት የምትገዛ አሮጊት ከራሳቸው መንጋ የዱለቻ ቀማኞች መከላከር የማችሉ የከብት እረኞች ...
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Re: የኦሮሙማ የ3 ቀን ቀይ ባህር ሆያ ሆዬ አከተመ!
Posted: 16 Oct 2023, 11:38
Re: የኦሮሙማ የ3 ቀን ቀይ ባህር ሆያ ሆዬ አከተመ!
Posted: 16 Oct 2023, 12:00
BS!
Eritrea's response by its Ambassador in Japan, was not meant as a "provocation".
It was rather a response to Abyi, who'se:
1. Pretending as if Eritrea has closed its doors to Ethiopia; which it clearly has not
2. Abyi talked about OWNERSHIP of a port- not ACCESS; which are two entirely different things
3. Dangling the name of a man highly despised by all Eritreans (Alula) to their faces, is a crimson-red flag for us Eritreans.
Considering only this 3 points, the provoker is only and only Abyi.
This nosy Bangladeshi can shove his "analysis", where the sun doesn't shine!
Eritrea's response by its Ambassador in Japan, was not meant as a "provocation".
It was rather a response to Abyi, who'se:
1. Pretending as if Eritrea has closed its doors to Ethiopia; which it clearly has not
2. Abyi talked about OWNERSHIP of a port- not ACCESS; which are two entirely different things
3. Dangling the name of a man highly despised by all Eritreans (Alula) to their faces, is a crimson-red flag for us Eritreans.
Considering only this 3 points, the provoker is only and only Abyi.
This nosy Bangladeshi can shove his "analysis", where the sun doesn't shine!
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Posted: 16 Oct 2023, 12:10
BS!
The birged N'hamedu are ugume, not Eritreans. And, to claim Eritrea is scared of them is laughable. The overwhelming majority of Eritreans in the diaspora, are enthusiastic gov't supporters.
PIA doesn't need threats from outside, to consolidate his power.
He's, Primus Inter Pares!!!
The birged N'hamedu are ugume, not Eritreans. And, to claim Eritrea is scared of them is laughable. The overwhelming majority of Eritreans in the diaspora, are enthusiastic gov't supporters.
PIA doesn't need threats from outside, to consolidate his power.
He's, Primus Inter Pares!!!
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Posted: 19 Oct 2023, 18:55
Zmeselo,
Pardon my ignorance about Eritreans' view of Ras Alula. I did not know he is highly despised by all Eritreans, assuming you have a rational reasoning about it. So, I wish to be enlightened about it with an open mind.
I grew up respecting Adwa and did not understand the rational for the struggle of the EPLF until one day when I attended a lecture in Ethiopian history class in my first year in college. To this day, I vividly remember that sunny afternoon in my first year in college when I instinctively uttered in front of my dorm mate friends right after the lecture: እዉነታቸዉን ነዉ የሚታገሉት።
In that lecture, I leaned that Atse Menelik went back keeping the Tigrigna title Atse without going all the way. So, I was able to understand the struggle of the EPLF at a moment's notice following that lecture even if I wished all Eritreans to remain part of the Ethiopian family.
Until now, having read his victories against the Egyptians that came to conquer Ethiopia, I have regarded Ras Alula as an Ethiopian hero. I stand to be corrected if I am not informed enough about his history about it.
I have all along thought of him as second to only Atse Menelik when it comes to fighting against the colonial forces of those days and winning, at least partly.
So, I am having a struggle with myself now to understand how one of the figures who has been considered a hero by Ethiopians is highly despised by all Eritreans.
I am sure there are actions by the leaders that led others to revolt. Even if I understood the struggle of the EPLF after that lecture, to this day, I wonder the litmus test that led Aite Isaias to decide to stop his college education at Addis Ababa University and head to Nakfa at a young age. I am not one of those who thinks things are preordained. So, I imagine that he must have had some litmus test before making that kind of decision, which doesn't come easily.
I am also not convinced that the split between Ethiopia and Eritrea was preordained as much as I do not think that Europe's colonization or attempt to colonize Africa were preordained.
Then again, it sounds like the debate about Ethiopia's quest to access the Red Sea is starting to mirror the Palestinian people's quest about Jerusalem.
I do not know if there is something untoward that the Red Sea is breathing to both of its sides to the East and West for conflicts on both sides to have been so prevalent.
Geographically, the Middle East is a small region. However, the region as a whole probably ranks as the top in the world in terms of known petroleum availability. I could be wrong about it.
To the extent that it is right, the region can directly and indirectly control the spigots that fuel every automobile around the world. That is if they can muster some harmonious rule of law among themselves.
Then you wake up one morning and hear news that Israel is under attack and that it is at war. At a moment's notice, you would say not again. Before long, you ask yourself if David hasn't always been at war.
I had heard about Israel's Iron Dome. However, this is the first time that I got its visual impression in television. The moment you see it, it looks a tiny dome under Yaweh's much bigger dome. You can't help asking sadly if it is not a prison house under Yaweh's dome. You keep asking why all of them can't come together under the supremacy of the rule of law and say Yaweh is the limit.
Then again, what do I know about the details of their internal struggles throughout history and who am I to be judgmental about how they have chosen to coexist when I have been that ignorant about Eritreans view of Ras Alula on this side of the Red Sea.
So, coming back to this side of the Red Sea, in addition to wishing to be enlightened why Eritreans despise Ras Alula that many Ethiopians consider their hero at Dogali, among others, I also wonder if in your view Ethiopians praising him and Eritreans despising him can ever be rationally reconcilable.
One is for the sake of the region as a whole, which can be exemplary to Africa at large and beyond.
Much of the political happenstances on both sides of the Red Sea occurred after the U.S. stepped up to lead the world following the so called Second World War. The unipolar World Order it brought about, based on my limited reading, sounded to be on a quicksand only recently when China sounded an adult in the room when it came out to say that Israel's self-defense has gone too far or something to that effect. I don't remember any other time before now when one of the leading world powers said your self-defense has gone too far to Israel when the U.S. as the unipolar world order stood shoulder to shoulder with it.
The second reason is if each region on both sides of the Red Sea becomes stronger with harmony among its respective people, we needn't wait for other powers to tell us what is best for our people.
Well, Middle East is beyond our scope. The question at hand based on your statement above is if we can bring differing views of such personalities in the two countries within our scope. I don't mean to lecture you here. I am only trying to get this point across in view of what the political happenstances that we observe here and there inform us.
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Posted: 19 Oct 2023, 19:49
Just look at him! 
Just kidding! I'll return with documentation, why we hate this rat looking genocidal SOB!
Just kidding! I'll return with documentation, why we hate this rat looking genocidal SOB!
Naga Tuma wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 18:55Zmeselo,
Pardon my ignorance about Eritreans' view of Ras Alula. I did not know he is highly despised by all Eritreans, assuming you have a rational reasoning about it. So, I wish to be enlightened about it with an open mind.
I grew up respecting Adwa and did not understand the rational for the struggle of the EPLF until one day when I attended a lecture in Ethiopian history class in my first year in college. To this day, I vividly remember that sunny afternoon in my first year in college when I instinctively uttered in front of my dorm mate friends right after the lecture: እዉነታቸዉን ነዉ የሚታገሉት።
In that lecture, I leaned that Atse Menelik went back keeping the Tigrigna title Atse without going all the way. So, I was able to understand the struggle of the EPLF at a moment's notice following that lecture even if I wished all Eritreans to remain part of the Ethiopian family.
Until now, having read his victories against the Egyptians that came to conquer Ethiopia, I have regarded Ras Alula as an Ethiopian hero. I stand to be corrected if I am not informed enough about his history about it.
I have all along thought of him as second to only Atse Menelik when it comes to fighting against the colonial forces of those days and winning, at least partly.
So, I am having a struggle with myself now to understand how one of the figures who has been considered a hero by Ethiopians is highly despised by all Eritreans.
I am sure there are actions by the leaders that led others to revolt. Even if I understood the struggle of the EPLF after that lecture, to this day, I wonder the litmus test that led Aite Isaias to decide to stop his college education at Addis Ababa University and head to Nakfa at a young age. I am not one of those who thinks things are preordained. So, I imagine that he must have had some litmus test before making that kind of decision, which doesn't come easily.
I am also not convinced that the split between Ethiopia and Eritrea was preordained as much as I do not think that Europe's colonization or attempt to colonize Africa were preordained.
Then again, it sounds like the debate about Ethiopia's quest to access the Red Sea is starting to mirror the Palestinian people's quest about Jerusalem.
I do not know if there is something untoward that the Red Sea is breathing to both of its sides to the East and West for conflicts on both sides to have been so prevalent.
Geographically, the Middle East is a small region. However, the region as a whole probably ranks as the top in the world in terms of known petroleum availability. I could be wrong about it.
To the extent that it is right, the region can directly and indirectly control the spigots that fuel every automobile around the world. That is if they can muster some harmonious rule of law among themselves.
Then you wake up one morning and hear news that Israel is under attack and that it is at war. At a moment's notice, you would say not again. Before long, you ask yourself if David hasn't always been at war.
I had heard about Israel's Iron Dome. However, this is the first time that I got its visual impression in television. The moment you see it, it looks a tiny dome under Yaweh's much bigger dome. You can't help asking sadly if it is not a prison house under Yaweh's dome. You keep asking why all of them can't come together under the supremacy of the rule of law and say Yaweh is the limit.
Then again, what do I know about the details of their internal struggles throughout history and who am I to be judgmental about how they have chosen to coexist when I have been that ignorant about Eritreans view of Ras Alula on this side of the Red Sea.
So, coming back to this side of the Red Sea, in addition to wishing to be enlightened why Eritreans despise Ras Alula that many Ethiopians consider their hero at Dogali, among others, I also wonder if in your view Ethiopians praising him and Eritreans despising him can ever be rationally reconcilable.
One is for the sake of the region as a whole, which can be exemplary to Africa at large and beyond.
Much of the political happenstances on both sides of the Red Sea occurred after the U.S. stepped up to lead the world following the so called Second World War. The unipolar World Order it brought about, based on my limited reading, sounded to be on a quicksand only recently when China sounded an adult in the room when it came out to say that Israel's self-defense has gone too far or something to that effect. I don't remember any other time before now when one of the leading world powers said your self-defense has gone too far to Israel when the U.S. as the unipolar world order stood shoulder to shoulder with it.
The second reason is if each region on both sides of the Red Sea becomes stronger with harmony among its respective people, we needn't wait for other powers to tell us what is best for our people.
Well, Middle East is beyond our scope. The question at hand based on your statement above is if we can bring differing views of such personalities in the two countries within our scope. I don't mean to lecture you here. I am only trying to get this point across in view of what the political happenstances that we observe here and there inform us.
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Posted: 20 Oct 2023, 06:00
BANDIT ALULA, NEVER SET FOOT IN MASSAWA
On 15 of Feb.1880 Ras Alula pillaged for 2 days in the Ad-Tamaryam & Bedjuk villages of Eritrea & stole 8000 sheep & goats, almost as many cattle & some 15,000 thalers (Maria Theresa dollars). On Feb. 1, 1877, Alula raided the village of Aylet, pillaged it & took all cattle.
On 22 Nov 1886, Ras Alula, ordered the ruthless massacre of the Nara & Kunama ethnic groups in Eritrea & by the last week of November that year his army massacred about 67% of the Nara & Kunama.
This was pure genocide by Alula & Yohannes.
He swore on the tabot to Rasi Weldemichael, who defeated him in war, that Yohannes would like to decorate him for his bravery & lured him to Tigray to then cowardly shakle him in chains.
Hence, the saying: "ዶሮ በመሸላ፡ ሓማሴን በማህላ።"
Taking advantage of a gentleman's honor.
He advised the Italians to enter Asmara, to gain their confidence & gain advantage over Menelik.
I could say more, but this might suffice for now.
A lot of it you can find in this book, too:
On 15 of Feb.1880 Ras Alula pillaged for 2 days in the Ad-Tamaryam & Bedjuk villages of Eritrea & stole 8000 sheep & goats, almost as many cattle & some 15,000 thalers (Maria Theresa dollars). On Feb. 1, 1877, Alula raided the village of Aylet, pillaged it & took all cattle.
On 22 Nov 1886, Ras Alula, ordered the ruthless massacre of the Nara & Kunama ethnic groups in Eritrea & by the last week of November that year his army massacred about 67% of the Nara & Kunama.
This was pure genocide by Alula & Yohannes.
He swore on the tabot to Rasi Weldemichael, who defeated him in war, that Yohannes would like to decorate him for his bravery & lured him to Tigray to then cowardly shakle him in chains.
Hence, the saying: "ዶሮ በመሸላ፡ ሓማሴን በማህላ።"
Taking advantage of a gentleman's honor.
He advised the Italians to enter Asmara, to gain their confidence & gain advantage over Menelik.
I could say more, but this might suffice for now.
A lot of it you can find in this book, too:
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Posted: 20 Oct 2023, 18:46
Zmeselo,
Thank you for this info.
What he did to his peer, Rasi Weldemichael, is not an honorable thing to do. I am of the opinion that peer rivalry between two figures once upon a time shouldn't define a long history of the people that gave birth to both.
The rivalry for the throne and siding with the colonizers was a historical mistake. Then again, which group of Ethiopians would have fared better in the same situation if they found themselves in the same geography that is closer to those colonizers?
Warlords have killed and robbed all around the world.
Why do I feel that you are related to Atse Yohannes, who had his share of the killings to covert people into Christianity?
I am not excusing any of it. However, I just wonder the best way to address historical happenstances in order to bring about a political solution for the people that they represented. I am curious because we have been debating here and there online about similar issues in Ethiopia.
In addition, how do we reconcile the wrongs that they did in view of the right things that they did, such as rising to defeat the Egyptians that came to overtake the country.
That said, I really do not regard highly books written by outsiders in those days about any group of people in our region.
I hope there will be a Tigrigna speaking scholar, either from Eritrea or Tigray, who studies the histories of these figures as objectively and as deeply as one can and shares it with all of us.
Thank you for this info.
What he did to his peer, Rasi Weldemichael, is not an honorable thing to do. I am of the opinion that peer rivalry between two figures once upon a time shouldn't define a long history of the people that gave birth to both.
The rivalry for the throne and siding with the colonizers was a historical mistake. Then again, which group of Ethiopians would have fared better in the same situation if they found themselves in the same geography that is closer to those colonizers?
Warlords have killed and robbed all around the world.
Why do I feel that you are related to Atse Yohannes, who had his share of the killings to covert people into Christianity?
I am not excusing any of it. However, I just wonder the best way to address historical happenstances in order to bring about a political solution for the people that they represented. I am curious because we have been debating here and there online about similar issues in Ethiopia.
In addition, how do we reconcile the wrongs that they did in view of the right things that they did, such as rising to defeat the Egyptians that came to overtake the country.
That said, I really do not regard highly books written by outsiders in those days about any group of people in our region.
I hope there will be a Tigrigna speaking scholar, either from Eritrea or Tigray, who studies the histories of these figures as objectively and as deeply as one can and shares it with all of us.
Zmeselo wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 06:00BANDIT ALULA, NEVER SET FOOT IN MASSAWA
On 15 of Feb.1880 Ras Alula pillaged for 2 days in the Ad-Tamaryam & Bedjuk villages of Eritrea & stole 8000 sheep & goats, almost as many cattle & some 15,000 thalers (Maria Theresa dollars). On Feb. 1, 1877, Alula raided the village of Aylet, pillaged it & took all cattle.
On 22 Nov 1886, Ras Alula, ordered the ruthless massacre of the Nara & Kunama ethnic groups in Eritrea & by the last week of November that year his army massacred about 67% of the Nara & Kunama.
This was pure genocide by Alula & Yohannes.
He swore on the tabot to Rasi Weldemichael, who defeated him in war, that Yohannes would like to decorate him for his bravery & lured him to Tigray to then cowardly shakle him in chains.
Hence, the saying: "ዶሮ በመሸላ፡ ሓማሴን በማህላ።"
Taking advantage of a gentleman's honor.
He advised the Italians to enter Asmara, to gain their confidence & gain advantage over Menelik.
I could say more, but this might suffice for now.
A lot of it you can find in this book, too: