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If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 06:15
by temari
I would tell to PP that the US is threatening with sanction unless the conflict is resolved peacefully, and I would use this opportunity to get out of a quagmire that Abiy will never win. This is maybe his last opportunity to get out of the Amhara region's quagmire with some face-saving. The next opportunity would most likely come with even more humiliation, or may will never come.
The only thing ENDF is successful so far in Amhara region is massacring civilians and destroying and looting properties while paying a heavy price militarily. When it comes to reducing the capability of Fano, it has failed miserably. In fact, it has helped Fano to acquire more weapons and get more fighters. This is a lost cause and the sooner ENDF gets out the better for all.
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 07:55
by DefendTheTruth
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 08:04
by sarcasm
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Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 09:09
by ZEMEN
temari wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023, 06:15
I would tell to PP that the US is threatening with sanction unless the conflict is resolved peacefully, and I would use this opportunity to get out of a quagmire that Abiy will never win. This is maybe his last opportunity to get out of the Amhara region's quagmire with some face-saving. The next opportunity would most likely come with even more humiliation, or may will never come.
The only thing ENDF is successful so far in Amhara region is massacring civilians and destroying and looting properties while paying a heavy price militarily. When it comes to reducing the capability of Fano, it has failed miserably. In fact, it has helped Fano to acquire more weapons and get more fighters. This is a lost cause and the sooner ENDF gets out the better for all.
Okay, Amara simply will ask, Humera, Welqayt, raya is Amara and that is the end of it. What do you think Abiy will answer? He already promised TPLF they will get Welaqayt Humera. I don't think there is any use for any negotiations. Amara said enough is enough.
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 09:27
by DefendTheTruth
sarcasm wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023, 08:04
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sarcasm,
ከላይ የጠቀስኩትን አባባል ቪዲዮዉ ላይ ነዉ ስናገሩ የሰማሁት፣ ክፍፍል መኖሩን ነዉ የምያሳየዉ። አንተም የለጠፍከዉ ቪዲዮ በግልፅ የምታወቅ አላማ አለመኖሩን ነዉ የምያትተዉ። ሰርገኛ መጣ፤ በርበሬ ቀንጥሱ፥ አይነት መሆኑ ነዉ።
አላማ በደንብ ሳይቀመጥ፣ ለሁሉም ግልጽ በሆነ መንገድ፣ ዘፍ ብሎ ወደ እርምጃ አይገባም፤ ይህ መሰረታዊ መርሆ ነዉ፣ ለፖለቲካ አልም ብቻ ሳይሆን ለማንኛዉም የሰዉ ልጅ እንቅስቃሴ ማለት ነዉ።
ይህንን ሳይረዳ የአንድን አገር መንግስት እገለብጣለሁ ብሎ ወደ እርምጃዉ ዛፍ ካለ ነገሩ ሳይጀመር አልቆዋል ማለት ነዉ። ክፍፍል ከምያስከትሉት ዋና ዋና ምክንያቶች አንዱ የአላማ ግልፅነት ጉድለት ነዉ፤ አሁን ለዚህ ነዉ ወደ ኋላ መለስ ብሎ ስታታችን ዬቱ ጋ ነበር ብሎ ራስን ወደ መጠየቅ የገቡት፣ ይመስለኛል።
ሌላዉ ቪዲዮዉ ዉስጥ የሰማሁት ነገር፡ ወያኔ እንደ ዛተዉ አሁን በትክክል ህሳብ እያወራረደ ነዉ የምል እንድምታ ያለዉ አባባል ነዉ፣ ስለሱስ የምትለን ያለ ነገር ይኖር ይሁን? እንዲሁ በነካካዉ እጅህ ማለቴ ነዉ?
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 10:49
by Right
Sarcasm & DDT.
TPLF & PP. Chimpanzee & Baboon.
2 Scorpions in the same bottle.
This is not going to end well. Guaranteed.
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 11:07
by Tiago
mike hammer has no business with Fano and not welcome .
Fano must finish off the savage gaiias from power once and for all.
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 12:27
by TGAA
temari wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023, 06:15
I would tell to PP that the US is threatening with sanction unless the conflict is resolved peacefully, and I would use this opportunity to get out of a quagmire that Abiy will never win. This is maybe his last opportunity to get out of the Amhara region's quagmire with some face-saving. The next opportunity would most likely come with even more humiliation, or may will never come.
The only thing ENDF is successful so far in Amhara region is massacring civilians and destroying and looting properties while paying a heavy price militarily. When it comes to reducing the capability of Fano, it has failed miserably. In fact, it has helped Fano to acquire more weapons and get more fighters. This is a lost cause and the sooner ENDF gets out the better for all.
I guess you are one of those true believers who was lead to green pastures by Abiy who still refuses to see the Cliff, and still hopes the "good " sheepherd somehow going to change course and steer the county from disaster. This view is dangerous because it trifles the danger at hand, and disarm those who need to make last ditch effort to protect themselves from the mayhem that is Abiy's making.
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 12:28
by Union
Poor akaleguzi
You are trying to rescue your beloved OLF, but even if he goes with your suggestion, he will not recover from it. Fano will have its own demands that abiy will have to comply with, abiy cant deliver agames Welkiet and Raya meaning agames will try to sabotage him. Fano will have the economy of Amara, abiy loses control of Amara and Somali alone is a dead government. It will eventually mean the west and his followers will kill him themselves.
So he will never do that you are suggesting him to do. It is a slower death for him. He would rather fight it our and see where his luck can take him. And I am sure his ፔንጤ ጠንቋይ bit'tch is telling him to never stop the fight
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 13:13
by Right
Temari,
You are dishonest. Try another trik.
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 15:07
by sarcasm
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023, 09:27
ሌላዉ ቪዲዮዉ ዉስጥ የሰማሁት ነገር፡ ወያኔ እንደ ዛተዉ አሁን በትክክል ህሳብ እያወራረደ ነዉ የምል እንድምታ ያለዉ አባባል ነዉ፣ ስለሱስ የምትለን ያለ ነገር ይኖር ይሁን? እንዲሁ በነካካዉ እጅህ ማለቴ ነዉ?
Hi DTT,
ማዶ ለማዶ ሆኖ እንዴት ሂሳብ ማወራረድ ይቻላል?
ሂሳብ የሚወራረደው ገለልተኛ አካል ፊት በአንድ ጠረጴዛ ተቀምጦ ነው የሚፈጸመው። ከባድሜ ጦርነት በኇላ እንዴት ኢትዮጵያና ኤርትራ እንዴት ሂሳብ እንዳወራረዱ ለምሳሌ እንመልከት። Both parties setup an independent body called 'Eritrea-Ethiopia Claims Commission'. Both parties submitted their claims to the body and after a lengthy deliberation, the body reached a decision which both parties accepted and settled their accounts. The total monetary compensation awarded to Eritrea in respect of its own
claims was
US$161,455,000 The total monetary compensation awarded to Ethiopia in respect of its claims was
US$174,036,520. That means, Eritrea paid US$12,581,520, the balance of the excess compensation awarded to Ethiopia to
settle the account permanently.
Link for FINAL AWARD Ethiopia’s Damages Claims
https://pcacases.com/web/sendAttach/767
Link for FINAL AWARD Eritrea’s Damages Claims
https://pcacases.com/web/sendAttach/766
link for Eritrea-Ethiopia Claims Commission case
https://pca-cpa.org/en/cases/71/
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 15:53
by DefendTheTruth
sarcasm wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023, 15:07
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑31 Aug 2023, 09:27
ሌላዉ ቪዲዮዉ ዉስጥ የሰማሁት ነገር፡ ወያኔ እንደ ዛተዉ አሁን በትክክል ህሳብ እያወራረደ ነዉ የምል እንድምታ ያለዉ አባባል ነዉ፣ ስለሱስ የምትለን ያለ ነገር ይኖር ይሁን? እንዲሁ በነካካዉ እጅህ ማለቴ ነዉ?
Hi DTT,
ማዶ ለማዶ ሆኖ እንዴት ሂሳብ ማወራረድ ይቻላል?
ሂሳብ የሚወራረደው ገለልተኛ አካል ፊት በአንድ ጠረጴዛ ተቀምጦ ነው የሚፈጸመው። ከባድሜ ጦርነት በኇላ እንዴት ኢትዮጵያና ኤርትራ እንዴት ሂሳብ እንዳወራረዱ ለምሳሌ እንመልከት። Both parties setup an independent body called 'Eritrea-Ethiopia Claims Commission'. Both parties submitted their claims to the body and after a lengthy deliberation, the body reached a decision which both parties accepted and settled their accounts. The total monetary compensation awarded to Eritrea in respect of its own
claims was
US$161,455,000 The total monetary compensation awarded to Ethiopia in respect of its claims was
US$174,036,520. That means, Eritrea paid US$12,581,520, the balance of the excess compensation awarded to Ethiopia to
settle the account permanently.
Link for FINAL AWARD Ethiopia’s Damages Claims
https://pcacases.com/web/sendAttach/767
Link for FINAL AWARD Eritrea’s Damages Claims
https://pcacases.com/web/sendAttach/766
link for Eritrea-Ethiopia Claims Commission case
https://pca-cpa.org/en/cases/71/
sarcasm,
ያማ ብሆን ልክ ነህ፤ የሰለጠነ አለም አሰራር ነበር፤ እኛ ጋ ግን አሁንም ዘፍ ብሎ ወደ ጦር ነዉ ሩጫዉ። ጀብደኝነት ወይ ኋላ ቀርነት፣ ትክክለኛዉ መንስዔዉ አይገባኝም።
በጠረጴዛ ዙሪያ አሻንፈህ የምታገኘዉ ድል የስከብረሃል፣ ያኮረሃል፣ አያወድምም።
12 ሚሊዮን ይቅር ና 100 ትሪሊዮን ብታገኝ የወደመዉን የሰዉ ልጅ ሕይወት አይመልስም፣ አይተካም። ኣያረካም።
ይህን መርሆ መማር ግን ለእኛ ገና ምዕተ-አመታት ይቀሩናል፣ እንደምመስለኝ።
እኔ የጠየኩህ ሌላ ነበር ለነገሩ፣ ግራ ስለገባቸዉ ይመስለኛል፣ ሰዎቹ ይሄ ነገር እንዲሁ በቀላል ሳይሆን፣ ወያኔ በእጅ አዙር እንድጨራረሱ ና በጦርነቱ ጊዜ ከአማራ ጋር ገና ሕሳብ እናወራርዳለን ብላ እንደ ዛተችዉ እጇ ይኖርበተል ለማለት መሰለኝ፣ ለመበቀል አይቀርም ለማለት ይመስለኛል።
የራስን ድክመትንም አሁን ወደ ሌላ ማላክክ ይቀላል፣ ነገሩ ወደ ፊት አልገፋ ስል።
There is a saying which goes like:
"success has many fathers, failure is an orphan", no one is ready yet for an introspection and that could be also the reason why such a blame game is still going around.
Re: If I were Abiy, I would use Mike Hammer's visit to get out of Amhara Region's Quagmire
Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 16:17
by Sadacha Macca
While I wholeheartedly agree that brute force can never solve thr questions of the masses, I like testing how elaborate a persons thoughts on a particular topic are. It really helps put things into perspective.
What are .. or what would be the conditions for these negotiations? What are the demands of fano or APF?
If it includes PM Abiy resigning, who would take his place, or his parties place, both at the federal and state level?