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The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:21

The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

Which course they have to reverse in your opinion ?

kibramlak wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:29

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:21

The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

Which course they have to reverse in your opinion ?

When የጥምር ሃይሎች with prominent Amhara participation was busy teaching Tigray a lesson, losers like Ermias, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, Zemedkun etc already then were making noises. At that time Amhara kilil correctly ignored them and oftentimes admonished them. Coming out victorious from the conflict, strangely Amhara kilil started buying their destructive narrative and adopted their loser mentality.

Ermias Legesse who individually lost minor-level power struggle skirmish and was malcontent turned a winning region into a discontented loser.
The loser habtamu turned the winner Amhara kilil into a loser region.

Let's say these people made the noise but do you think they are the reason to the current crisis ? Can you explain how ?

After the war with Tigray is "over", who wanted to go after the Amhara region ? And why ?

I hope you know the following timelines:

Tplf and pp made a Pretoria peace " agreement"
None of the conditions from the Tigray side are implemented following this deal. The main one is to disarm, which tplf didn't

Worst, while the tplf is still arming and contemplating to invade Amhara, the Abiy qdmin went to disarm the Amhara special forces (with the intention to disband the fano afterwards). All made to clear a free pass to the tplf in the event its deciding to invade or to retake contested areas through the blessing of Addis with no resistance from the already disarmed Amhara.

Any elementary level kids can understand that game and play. The fano made a swift decision not to disarm and the special forces joined them, which later made up a formidable resistance force for any threats that come to the region.

Whether Fano made that decision or not, Abiy has already promised to handover the land of Amhara to the tplf which took them illegally when they were in power and without any constitutional basis. Since Fano refused that order, Abiy had to go to war with Fano, not to really disarm the whole special forces in the country. Rather to weaken the Amhara region and force the handover of those lands.

We are now where we are. Who really lost the game ? The Amhara ? Not really. The popular forces came out much more stronger than ever. Abiy forces has already sustained huge loses and he will never ever govern the region as was before. What did tplf gained to ally with Abiy? Maybe waiting for the moment where Amhara forces are weakened to try their chance to invade wolqite and others and retake. Would that happen, time will tell. Both Abiy and Tplf might have thought the way they thought. But the war with Amhara nay also cost a lot both tplf and Abiy, if things are getting worst. With all the grievances and huge build up of Amhara forces, even tplf might find itself clogged to the rats holes once again, no natter what evil alliance its making with the olf Abiy.

I do hope that tplf is not going to lose another million or two million tigreans

Yes, regardless who made it, this war affects the population in the Amhara region in particular and the whole country in general. It was made nationally by Abiy, tplf, America combined.

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 10:42

kibramlak wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:29

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:21

The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

Which course they have to reverse in your opinion ?

When የጥምር ሃይሎች with prominent Amhara participation was busy teaching Tigray a lesson, losers like Ermias, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, Zemedkun etc already then were making noises. At that time Amhara kilil correctly ignored them and oftentimes admonished them. Coming out victorious from the conflict, strangely Amhara kilil started buying their destructive narrative and adopted their loser mentality.

Ermias Legesse who individually lost minor-level power struggle skirmish and was malcontent turned a winning region into a discontented loser.
The loser habtamu turned the winner Amhara kilil into a loser region.

kibramlak wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 11:27

Let's say these people made the noise but do you think they are the reason to the current crisis ? Can you explain how ?

After the war with Tigray is "over", who wanted to go after the Amhara region ? And why ?

I hope you know the following timelines:

Tplf and pp made a Pretoria peace " agreement"
None of the conditions from the Tigray side are implemented following this deal. The main one is to disarm, which tplf didn't

Worst, while the tplf is still arming and contemplating to invade Amhara, the Abiy qdmin went to disarm the Amhara special forces (with the intention to disband the fano afterwards). All made to clear a free pass to the tplf in the event its deciding to invade or to retake contested areas through the blessing of Addis with no resistance from the already disarmed Amhara.

Any elementary level kids can understand that game and play. The fano made a swift decision not to disarm and the special forces joined them, which later made up a formidable resistance force for any threats that come to the region.

Whether Fano made that decision or not, Abiy has already promised to handover the land of Amhara to the tplf which took them illegally when they were in power and without any constitutional basis. Since Fano refused that order, Abiy had to go to war with Fano, not to really disarm the whole special forces in the country. Rather to weaken the Amhara region and force the handover of those lands.

We are now where we are. Who really lost the game ? The Amhara ? Not really. The popular forces came out much more stronger than ever. Abiy forces has already sustained huge loses and he will never ever govern the region as was before. What did tplf gained to ally with Abiy? Maybe waiting for the moment where Amhara forces are weakened to try their chance to invade wolqite and others and retake. Would that happen, time will tell. Both Abiy and Tplf might have thought the way they thought. But the war with Amhara nay also cost a lot both tplf and Abiy, if things are getting worst. With all the grievances and huge build up of Amhara forces, even tplf might find itself clogged to the rats holes once again, no natter what evil alliance its making with the olf Abiy.

I do hope that tplf is not going to lose another million or two million tigreans

Yes, regardless who made it, this war affects the population in the Amhara region in particular and the whole country in general. It was made nationally by Abiy, tplf, America combined.

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 10:42

kibramlak wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:29

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:21

The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

Which course they have to reverse in your opinion ?

When የጥምር ሃይሎች with prominent Amhara participation was busy teaching Tigray a lesson, losers like Ermias, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, Zemedkun etc already then were making noises. At that time Amhara kilil correctly ignored them and oftentimes admonished them. Coming out victorious from the conflict, strangely Amhara kilil started buying their destructive narrative and adopted their loser mentality.

Ermias Legesse who individually lost minor-level power struggle skirmish and was malcontent turned a winning region into a discontented loser.
The loser habtamu turned the winner Amhara kilil into a loser region.

You can never make any fruitful discussion with people who are simply accustomed to fabrications endlessly.

This moron could be asked which constitution and which part of it but then disappears from the face of the earth instead of answering, without any shame.

Come out and show your readers which article of which constitution was violated in your silly argument?

Fact of the matter is that when we made our critical observation of their blatant violation of the rule of the law of the land, by simply deploying the use of violence, the same character simply run away and never dared to say something.

Now he came back to claim about unconstitutionality, moron!

ጉልቤን ከጉልቤ ምን ይለየው?

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:21

The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

justo,

these people started overstepping their constitutionally recognized rights and privileges and we opted back then to see the other way, it is coming back to haunt us now. It was just a matter of when not if and it is here now.

Overstepping one's own constitutionally recognized and granted political power is nothing other than a recipe for another round of war down the road, I think.

Brother Justo,

This is what I believe. The Amhara struggle is dominated by two forces. One force is very progressive, the other one is, kind of reactionary. The progressive movement wants to do away with the ethnic democracy that they believe has divided and thereby weakened the centralization of the country. You can not dispute that. The reactionary and dangerous group believes Ethiopia is the sole property of the Solomonic dynasty that ruled the country for over eight hundred years. Both groups do not recognize Eritrea. Isayas is very aware of this. Hence, a lot of Eritreans are not comfortable with him. Others, swear by him. Now, Isayas should discontinue the relationship with both groups. The world, that includes China and Russia, support Ethiopia over Eritrea any time. Ethiopian internal problems should not concern Eritrea. The Agame boogie man syndrome is overused. It is an excuse. Isayas perhaps wants to rule the horn in his life time. But, he is running out of time. He has a small country with very patriotic people. He could have done far more the last thirty years. Spare me the overused weyane excuse. I thought Eritreans were smarter than that. Hands off from Ethiopia. Let the Ethiopians deal with Ethiopian matters on their own. Abbiy is a con man. He does not have what it takes to help solve Ethiopian internal problems. He will resort to devide and rule to extend his grip over power as much as he can. Ethiopia is at cross roads so is Eritrea.

kibramlak wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 11:27

1. Let's say these people made the noise but do you think they are the reason to the current crisis ? Can you explain how ?

2. After the war with Tigray is "over", who wanted to go after the Amhara region ? And why ?

I hope you know the following timelines:

Tplf and pp made a Pretoria peace " agreement"
None of the conditions from the Tigray side are implemented following this deal. The main one is to disarm, which tplf didn't

Worst, while the tplf is still arming and contemplating to invade Amhara, the Abiy qdmin went to disarm the Amhara special forces (with the intention to disband the fano afterwards). All made to clear a free pass to the tplf in the event its deciding to invade or to retake contested areas through the blessing of Addis with no resistance from the already disarmed Amhara.

Any elementary level kids can understand that game and play. The fano made a swift decision not to disarm and the special forces joined them, which later made up a formidable resistance force for any threats that come to the region.

Whether Fano made that decision or not, Abiy has already promised to handover the land of Amhara to the tplf which took them illegally when they were in power and without any constitutional basis. Since Fano refused that order, Abiy had to go to war with Fano, not to really disarm the whole special forces in the country. Rather to weaken the Amhara region and force the handover of those lands.

We are now where we are. Who really lost the game ? The Amhara ? Not really. The popular forces came out much more stronger than ever. Abiy forces has already sustained huge loses and he will never ever govern the region as was before. What did tplf gained to ally with Abiy? Maybe waiting for the moment where Amhara forces are weakened to try their chance to invade wolqite and others and retake. Would that happen, time will tell. Both Abiy and Tplf might have thought the way they thought. But the war with Amhara nay also cost a lot both tplf and Abiy, if things are getting worst. With all the grievances and huge build up of Amhara forces, even tplf might find itself clogged to the rats holes once again, no natter what evil alliance its making with the olf Abiy.

I do hope that tplf is not going to lose another million or two million tigreans

Yes, regardless who made it, this war affects the population in the Amhara region in particular and the whole country in general. It was made nationally by Abiy, tplf, America combined.

1. The teregna narrative was bought wholesale from Ermias and Habtamu. You can equate the role Erimias and Habtamu played to that played by Walelegn Mekonnen with his misguided narrative about oppresser and oppressed

2. Nobody went after anybod after the war ended. The central government had to reassert its authority over irregulars and militias. Yes Abiy made many mistakes, minor & major, but he went after nobody. The Amhara kilil instead of consolidating it gains, developing its region, grow in prominence and be the mainstream chose to sideline itself from the mainstream.

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 16:17

1. The teregna narrative was bought wholesale from Ermias and Habtamu. You can equate the role Erimias and Habtamu played to that played by Walelegn Mekonnen with his misguided narrative about oppresser and oppressed

2. Nobody went after anybod after the war ended. The central government had to reassert its authority over irregulars and militias. Yes Abiy made many mistakes, minor & major, but he went after nobody. The Amhara kilil instead of consolidating it gains, developing its region, grow in prominence and be the mainstream chose to sideline itself from the mainstream.

justo,

I think you are one of the few remaining rational thinkers on this forum. As far as you can remain rational, then you will be also an asset for the isses we may rise and discuss here, no matter which side of the issue you may choose to be on.

There are many people who try to find faults in the actions and decisions the PM of Ethiopia and his government have made so far, I think any youtube video produced over Ethiopia will not miss to blame him for anything under the sky. That is okay, but then his accusers should also be in a position to concretely lay down the faults, if they need to be credible to some extent.

We don't find many concrete faults, there are faults of course, if you work, then you also commit a mistake.

The only concrete blame made about him so far, that I come across on this forum and else where is the accusation that he gave in the demands of the Americans and ended the Tigray war, prematurely, goes the accusation, specially from the Eritrean and Amhara reactionaries.

That could be true, but I think the overriding reason for the PM's government to make a minor compromise and agree to sit down and sort out the problems was in accordance to the interest of the Ethiopian people themselves, instead of the interest of any foreign forces or entities.

TPLF was defeated but the people of Tigray opted to stick with the entity to the end, if the people say no, then you have to accept that, there is no other (easier) choice. You can prove me wrong here.

The interests of Eritreans, of Amharas, of Oromos, of any other Ethiopian groups takes a back-seat when the Tigreans said: we don't allow it.

Not only the interest of the Tigrean people but also the many challenges the government in Ethiopia was facing during the war and afterwards left it no other option other than trying to finish the war as quickly as possible. If it didn't do, it was only a matter of time that the people of Ethiopia themselves would rise up and eat their government, there was acute supply problems, there were covid, there were inflation, there were unrest in almost all parts of the counntry, even OLF-Shane was roaming areas just outside of the capital, in addition to the mass of unemployed youth making lives for the ordnary people unbearable.

Everybody seemed to blame the PM for all sorts of the problems in the country. The mass of አዉርቶ-አደርs was rising rapidly in the country, the delusioned youth was sabotaging its own future, in the name of opposing the government.

All in all the government was facing a massive challenge and any means to end the war seemed to be the less evil among the choices the government had.

The reactionary Amharas were readying themselves to grab power by all means and mobilized the youth in their region in the name of fighting the junta, with the blessing of everybody else.

While the rest of the country was trying to safeguard the sovereignity of the nation as we know it, the reactionary Amhara were already busy trying to reclaim all the "lost territories" accompanied with their usual ቀረርቶ, in order to look like patriots. They were ready to stage their own coup-detat using the massive force they built over the course of 2 and more years.

Everytime you read their message read it like this: Ethiopia belongs to Amhara, the rest should serve Amhara, anybody else who may resist this should be bombarded with all types of propaganda. They control the propaganda machine in the country totally.

They even conspired to kill their own citizens and used the corpses of the victims to fuel their propaganda.

I think it is over a year now since we saw any graphic image of Amhara victims from the Oromia region, but why? The purported Shane is still active in the region, why did it stop to kill the Amahras selectively all of the sudden?

The reason is people became aware of the conspiracy behind it and it didn't help any more that much to fuel the propaganda machine.

Sorry for my long essay but just wanted to ask you if you could list few of those "minor and major mistakes" you mentioned and we could learn more from you.

Anbeta qorchame ascari akale justo,

You are pretending to think Zemene had the choise not to fight for Amara.

I only have one world for you - qorchame

And one more- tiny!

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:21

The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

Dark Energy wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 16:02

Brother Justo,

This is what I believe. The Amhara struggle is dominated by two forces. One force is very progressive, the other one is, kind of reactionary. The progressive movement wants to do away with the ethnic democracy that they believe has divided and thereby weakened the centralization of the country. You can not dispute that. The reactionary and dangerous group believes Ethiopia is the sole property of the Solomonic dynasty that ruled the country for over eight hundred years. Both groups do not recognize Eritrea. Isayas is very aware of this. Hence, a lot of Eritreans are not comfortable with him. Others, swear by him. Now, Isayas should discontinue the relationship with both groups. The world, that includes China and Russia, support Ethiopia over Eritrea any time. Ethiopian internal problems should not concern Eritrea. The Agame boogie man syndrome is overused. It is an excuse. Isayas perhaps wants to rule the horn in his life time. But, he is running out of time. He has a small country with very patriotic people. He could have done far more the last thirty years. Spare me the overused weyane excuse. I thought Eritreans were smarter than that. Hands off from Ethiopia. Let the Ethiopians deal with Ethiopian matters on their own. Abbiy is a con man. He does not have what it takes to help solve Ethiopian internal problems. He will resort to devide and rule to extend his grip over power as much as he can. Ethiopia is at cross roads so is Eritrea.

I agree with you, Eritrea has no business supporting factions in todays Ethiopia.
The woyane is not a bogeyman, the lack of development in our country cannot be blamed on them, but unless they accept their geography they will continue to be thorn on Eritrea's side Isaias or no Isaias.

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 16:17

kibramlak wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 11:27

1. Let's say these people made the noise but do you think they are the reason to the current crisis ? Can you explain how ?

2. After the war with Tigray is "over", who wanted to go after the Amhara region ? And why ?

I hope you know the following timelines:

Tplf and pp made a Pretoria peace " agreement"
None of the conditions from the Tigray side are implemented following this deal. The main one is to disarm, which tplf didn't

Worst, while the tplf is still arming and contemplating to invade Amhara, the Abiy qdmin went to disarm the Amhara special forces (with the intention to disband the fano afterwards). All made to clear a free pass to the tplf in the event its deciding to invade or to retake contested areas through the blessing of Addis with no resistance from the already disarmed Amhara.

Any elementary level kids can understand that game and play. The fano made a swift decision not to disarm and the special forces joined them, which later made up a formidable resistance force for any threats that come to the region.

Whether Fano made that decision or not, Abiy has already promised to handover the land of Amhara to the tplf which took them illegally when they were in power and without any constitutional basis. Since Fano refused that order, Abiy had to go to war with Fano, not to really disarm the whole special forces in the country. Rather to weaken the Amhara region and force the handover of those lands.

We are now where we are. Who really lost the game ? The Amhara ? Not really. The popular forces came out much more stronger than ever. Abiy forces has already sustained huge loses and he will never ever govern the region as was before. What did tplf gained to ally with Abiy? Maybe waiting for the moment where Amhara forces are weakened to try their chance to invade wolqite and others and retake. Would that happen, time will tell. Both Abiy and Tplf might have thought the way they thought. But the war with Amhara nay also cost a lot both tplf and Abiy, if things are getting worst. With all the grievances and huge build up of Amhara forces, even tplf might find itself clogged to the rats holes once again, no natter what evil alliance its making with the olf Abiy.

I do hope that tplf is not going to lose another million or two million tigreans

Yes, regardless who made it, this war affects the population in the Amhara region in particular and the whole country in general. It was made nationally by Abiy, tplf, America combined.

1. The teregna narrative was bought wholesale from Ermias and Habtamu. You can equate the role Erimias and Habtamu played to that played by Walelegn Mekonnen with his misguided narrative about oppresser and oppressed

2. Nobody went after anybod after the war ended. The central government had to reassert its authority over irregulars and militias. Yes Abiy made many mistakes, minor & major, but he went after nobody. The Amhara kilil instead of consolidating it gains, developing its region, grow in prominence and be the mainstream chose to sideline itself from the mainstream.

You might say this is none of my business, but aren't you saying the same thing as kibramlak albeit indirectly?

Yes Abiy made many mistakes, minor & major, but he went after nobody.

When the junta violated the Pretoria agreement by refusing to wholly disarm, he should've pressed those concerned (Mike Hammer & Co.) and even act if they ignore him but he didn't.

What am I missing, here?

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 05:21

The biggest winner in the recent Tigray war was the Amhara kilil. All it needed to do was behave as a winner, consolidate its gains, grow in prominence and develop its region. But goaded by individualists like Zemene Kasse, Habtamu, Abebe Belew, it stubbornly chose to turn itself into a loser. Is it too late now to reverse course? I don't know.

junta, amhara region was peaceful until abiy tried forcefully to disarm the amhara special force leaving the region defenseless like it was for 27 years and let its fate be decided by oromumma pp who are massacring and displacing amhara.

your a$$ is suggesting amhara should just be disarmed and become the lamb ready to be slaughtered. you must be stupid agame.

you are also stupid to think ermias and habtamu started this war. it’s abiy who started the war by trying to disarm amhara. period! don’t comment on things you don’t have any understanding mr junta. it’s better you shut the f up. donkoro

listen and learn from the horse’s mouth who was the chief of amhara special force

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 05:29

You might say this is none of my business, but aren't you saying the same thing as kibramlak albeit indirectly?

Yes Abiy made many mistakes, minor & major, but he went after nobody.

When the junta violated the Pretoria agreement by refusing to wholly disarm, he should've pressed those concerned (Mike Hammer & Co.) and even act if they ignore him but he didn't.

What am I missing, here?

We just exchanging views bro Zmeselo, so I wouldn't dare to tell you it is none of your business.

Leaders including Abiy are bound to make mistakes here and there. But people are not supposed to revolt every time a leader makes a mistake, no country would be at peace with itself if that were to be the case.

justo wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 06:22

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 05:29

You might say this is none of my business, but aren't you saying the same thing as kibramlak albeit indirectly?

Yes Abiy made many mistakes, minor & major, but he went after nobody.

When the junta violated the Pretoria agreement by refusing to wholly disarm, he should've pressed those concerned (Mike Hammer & Co.) and even act if they ignore him but he didn't.

What am I missing, here?

We just exchanging views bro Zmeselo, so I wouldn't dare to tell you it is none of your business.

Leaders including Abiy are bound to make mistakes here and there. But people are not supposed to revolt every time a leader makes a mistake, no country would be at peace with itself if that were to be the case.

True, but not going after tplf when they breach an agreement is not only a mistake. It's a dereliction of duty.

I understand why the Amara refuse to disarm, because the tplf hasn't.

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 06:56

I understand why the Amara refuse to disarm, because the tplf hasn't.

ተዉ እባክህ፤ በመንግስት ዉስጥ ሌላ መንግስት ይኑራቸዉ ነዉ የምትለን፣ አይደለም?

እናንተም ጋ አለ ነገሩ፣ ወይስ ለሌላ የምትመክሩት ለእናንተ ጥሩ አለመሆኑን ትገንዘባለህ ማለት ነዉ?

መሳይ መኮንን የኤርትሪያኖች ተላላኪ ነዉ ስባል፣ አላመንኩም ነበር።

justo wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 16:17

kibramlak wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 11:27

1. Let's say these people made the noise but do you think they are the reason to the current crisis ? Can you explain how ?

2. After the war with Tigray is "over", who wanted to go after the Amhara region ? And why ?

I hope you know the following timelines:

Tplf and pp made a Pretoria peace " agreement"
None of the conditions from the Tigray side are implemented following this deal. The main one is to disarm, which tplf didn't

Worst, while the tplf is still arming and contemplating to invade Amhara, the Abiy qdmin went to disarm the Amhara special forces (with the intention to disband the fano afterwards). All made to clear a free pass to the tplf in the event its deciding to invade or to retake contested areas through the blessing of Addis with no resistance from the already disarmed Amhara.

Any elementary level kids can understand that game and play. The fano made a swift decision not to disarm and the special forces joined them, which later made up a formidable resistance force for any threats that come to the region.

Whether Fano made that decision or not, Abiy has already promised to handover the land of Amhara to the tplf which took them illegally when they were in power and without any constitutional basis. Since Fano refused that order, Abiy had to go to war with Fano, not to really disarm the whole special forces in the country. Rather to weaken the Amhara region and force the handover of those lands.

We are now where we are. Who really lost the game ? The Amhara ? Not really. The popular forces came out much more stronger than ever. Abiy forces has already sustained huge loses and he will never ever govern the region as was before. What did tplf gained to ally with Abiy? Maybe waiting for the moment where Amhara forces are weakened to try their chance to invade wolqite and others and retake. Would that happen, time will tell. Both Abiy and Tplf might have thought the way they thought. But the war with Amhara nay also cost a lot both tplf and Abiy, if things are getting worst. With all the grievances and huge build up of Amhara forces, even tplf might find itself clogged to the rats holes once again, no natter what evil alliance its making with the olf Abiy.

I do hope that tplf is not going to lose another million or two million tigreans

Yes, regardless who made it, this war affects the population in the Amhara region in particular and the whole country in general. It was made nationally by Abiy, tplf, America combined.

1. The teregna narrative was bought wholesale from Ermias and Habtamu. You can equate the role Erimias and Habtamu played to that played by Walelegn Mekonnen with his misguided narrative about oppresser and oppressed

2. Nobody went after anybod after the war ended. The central government had to reassert its authority over irregulars and militias. Yes Abiy made many mistakes, minor & major, but he went after nobody. The Amhara kilil instead of consolidating it gains, developing its region, grow in prominence and be the mainstream chose to sideline itself from the mainstream.

#1. Whether Habtamu et al said something else or not, the reality on the ground-the teregna reality is already there. What Habtamu et al did was what they are supposed to do - share information to the public. Mind also Habtamu et al are the ones who are pushed by the Abiy regime as he did with thousands of others. Even the top man next to Abiy - Birhanu Jula - has admitted and accepted the fact that it is right to be teregna and it is now for the oromos turn.

#2. The Amahara people were turning to their routine business to win their lives after the war with Tigray ended until the day the two tribalists conspired to retake wolqite and Raya, following the Peritoria and Kenya agreements. Both meetings of the two tribalists (OLF and TPLF) sidelined the very stakeholder - the Amhara region. To implement this, tplf had to ask Abiy to weaken the Amhara to the point there wont be any resistance when Abiy willfully transfer the lands. The first trial was to come up with the shrewd idea of centralizing special forces under the defense force or transferring them to other security systems, especially the police. For that, the Amhara special forces must first disarm and others would follow as per case and situations on the ground (especially for the Oromo special forces). So, the Amhara special forces, following refusal of fano to disarm, have also refused to disarm and then left their camps with their arms, which later joined the fano forces. Since the first attempt to disarm the fano and special forces failed miserably, Abiy went after these forces to disarm them forcefully. Unfortunately, Abiy is on the losing ground and has costed thousands of lives of the so called defense forces (majority filled with the hateful oromo special forces). So, the Amhara forces have no any other option other than to defend and fight back. I know that your wish, as many of the tplf cadres wished, amara should have obeyed to Abiy to disarm and accept the transfer of their own lands, then stay weak and obedient to the tribalists perpetually. That has never been in the blood and though to the people there and this time around the wishes of the tribalists will never happen. In fact, the need to weaken Amhara was not only intended to help tplf to illegally retake the lands of Amhara but it was also uintended to help consolidate the power of Abiy. We also know what shimels of oromia is contemplating to control some areas from the west of the country. For that a weak and enclosed Amhara is a must.

What did Fano and the Amhara people say to Abiy? Fvkk u ! So, you would not agree with- this response of Fano ?

Has the tplf disarmed?

Why is their version of በመንግስት ዉስጥ ሌላ መንግስት, ok for you?

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 07:48

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 06:56

I understand why the Amara refuse to disarm, because the tplf hasn't.

ተዉ እባክህ፤ በመንግስት ዉስጥ ሌላ መንግስት ይኑራቸዉ ነዉ የምትለን፣ አይደለም?

እናንተም ጋ አለ ነገሩ፣ ወይስ ለሌላ የምትመክሩት ለእናንተ ጥሩ አለመሆኑን ትገንዘባለህ ማለት ነዉ?

መሳይ መኮንን የኤርትሪያኖች ተላላኪ ነዉ ስባል፣ አላመንኩም ነበር።

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 09:56

Has the tplf disarmed?

Why is their version of በመንግስት ዉስጥ ሌላ መንግስት, ok for you?

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 07:48

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 06:56

I understand why the Amara refuse to disarm, because the tplf hasn't.

ተዉ እባክህ፤ በመንግስት ዉስጥ ሌላ መንግስት ይኑራቸዉ ነዉ የምትለን፣ አይደለም?

እናንተም ጋ አለ ነገሩ፣ ወይስ ለሌላ የምትመክሩት ለእናንተ ጥሩ አለመሆኑን ትገንዘባለህ ማለት ነዉ?

መሳይ መኮንን የኤርትሪያኖች ተላላኪ ነዉ ስባል፣ አላመንኩም ነበር።

No, that is not okay. I have said before years on this forum that there should be only one ultimate source of force in a given country when I saw/heard Obbo Dawud Ibsa came back from Eritrea and openly claimed, no one should disarm anyone, "I should also be allowed to be armed and roam around, just like the government (ማንም ማንንም ትጥቅ አያስፈታም!)". Not only me but also many (specially the Amhara extremists) on this forum were also outraged by such a claim

Do you deny that?

I am not sure if TPLF is indeed still allowed to be armed and just roam around, you might have more information with this regard, please share in that case.

Even if TPLF is still armed the entity is no more an imminent threat to the peace and security of the nation, while Fano and co. have openly expressed their ambition to remove the government in power by means of violence, TPLF didn't since it was defeated. The threat comes from the Amhara region currently, not Tigray.

In such cases the government has the full right to tackle the problem in accordance to their respective urgency. Do you have any argument against that?

When TPLF was a threat, we marched to disarm it, in collaboration with the rest in the country, when the Amhara Fano becomes the next threat, then we have to march towards the same and get it disarmed, in collaboration with all in the country, including the TPLF itself. The threat is for all of us. የአገር ህልዉና ጉዳይ ነዉ።

Do you see anywhere a double standard in my position here? On the other hand those who were so vocal in their opposition to Daud Ibsa's claim now turned back and simply said, yes, we should be allowed to be armed and roam around like the govenment proper. We are special, as usual, they claimed.

And you try to justify this blatant violation of the rule of the law of a sovereign country. I didn't expect you to get that low.

kibramlak wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 09:08

#1. Whether Habtamu et al said something else or not, the reality on the ground-the teregna reality is already there. What Habtamu et al did was what they are supposed to do - share information to the public. Mind also Habtamu et al are the ones who are pushed by the Abiy regime as he did with thousands of others. Even the top man next to Abiy - Birhanu Jula - has admitted and accepted the fact that it is right to be teregna and it is now for the oromos turn.

So Walelegn was wrong in claiming Amara were oppressing Oromo, but Habtamu is right in claiming Oromo are oppressing Amara?
BTW, are the Oromo only oppressing Amara, or are they also oppressing the Afars and Somalis? Just so that I get the whole picture