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NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 02:08
by Zmeselo


LATEST
NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

By Eric Zuesse

https://theduran.com/nato-has-now-openl ... st-russia/

May 10, 2023

NATO’s Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg, during an interview https://archive.is/0wj8w in NATO’s Brussels headquarters, with the Washington Post’s Editorial Board, represented by Lee Hockstader, and published by the WP on May 9th, said that Ukraine definitely will become a NATO member. Here are the key excerpts, and their meaning:
All NATO allies agree that Ukraine will become a member of the alliance. All allies agree that Ukraine has the right to choose its own path, that it is not for Moscow, but for Kyiv, to decide.
If Ukraine, which has the nearest of all foreign borders to Moscow, only 317 miles or 5 minutes of missile-flying time away from blitz nuking Russia’s central command in The Kremlin, were to join NATO and then request and receive from America a nuclear missile to be placed there, that would be as-if Russia were to place a nuclear-warheaded missile in Albany NY, 310 miles away from America’s central command in Washington DC. Sumy in Ukraine is only 317 miles https://archive.ph/c2yyo away from Moscow. Stoltenberg is saying that Russia has no right to object to America’s placing a missile in Sumy, just like America has no right to object to Russia placing their missile in Albany if Albany requests Russia to do that. According to Stoltenberg: if Ukraine joins NATO and then requests America to place that missile-launch-site in Sumy, that’s none of Russia’s concern. Similarly, then, if Albany requests Russia to place its missile there, just 310 miles https://archive.is/5gLOc away from Washington DC, nobody in Washington DC would have any right to object to that. If Ukraine and America should be allowed to do that to Russia’s central command, then Russia and Albany should be allowed to do it to America’s central command. One of Russia’s “red lines” it had stated as a precondition for not invading Ukraine was that America and NATO would agree not to place any such weapon that near to The Kremlin. America and NATO refused even to negotiate about that. This refusal was the main reason why Russia invaded Ukraine. If Russia and Albany had insisted upon their right to place Russian nuclear missiles in Albany, then Washington DC would have invaded Albany. But that wasn’t the case. Instead: America and its NATO anti-Russian military alliance insisted on their right to place American nuclear missiles in Ukraine if Ukraine joins NATO and requests that; and, so, Russia invaded Ukraine, in order to prevent it from being able to happen.

Stoltenberg is saying that America and Ukraine have this right, and that Ukraine will become a NATO member, and that whatever Ukraine and America then agree to do to Russia is only for them to decide, and is none of Russia’s business.

His statement there that
All NATO allies agree that Ukraine will become a member of the alliance
meant that every single member of NATO agrees with Ukraine and America that Russia has no business concerning itself with whether or not America will be able to place its nuclear missiles 317 miles away from The Kremlin.

Russia has no right to be concerned about that. Russia has no right to conquer Ukraine in order to prevent becoming checkmated by NATO. This is out-and-out war by NATO against Russia. He’s saying that NATO will win it.

Stoltenberg also stated:
The war didn’t start in 2022. The war started in 2014. And since then, NATO has implemented the biggest reinforcement of our collective defense since the end of the Cold War.
This is true, and it means that all of the NATO and other U.S.-and-allied statements to the effect that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022 started this war between NATO and Russia are clearly false — U.S.-and-allied lies. He is saying that Obama’s coup during February 2014, https://archive.is/cU1oa which overthrew the democratically elected https://archive.ph/XzYaH President of Ukraine and replaced his Government
with one that was selected for Ukraine by the U.S. White House,
started the war in Ukraine. He is saying that WW III — America’s war against Russia — began in February 2014.

He acknowledges that America in February 2014 stole Ukraine from the Ukrainians and placed its own selected people in charge of its government and news-media, and that America and its allies are going to keep it, until those U.S. missiles get placed 317 miles from Moscow and Russia’s Government will then be checkmated. He knows what is at stake here, and so does Russia: it is the success or else the failure of America’s plan to checkmate Russia, by sacrificing its Ukrainian pawn (the utter destruction of Ukraine, if that is what Russia will need to do in order to protect itself from that checkmate) in order for the U.S. regime to achieve its objective. For that reason, there is now under consideration in the U.S. Congress legislation to commit America https://archive.is/ElDDU to invade Russia if Ukraine fails to conquer Russia on Ukraine’s soil.

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 02:40
by Fiyameta

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 02:54
by Meleket
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ጀግናው ዘለንስኪ ባያነሳ ጋሻ፡
በቦረቀ ነበረ አውሮፓ ላይ ራሻ። :mrgreen:

ወራሪ ከሰሜን ይምጣ ከደቡብ ከምስራቅ ይምጣ ከምዕራብ ወራሪ ነው፡ በህዝብ ትግልም ይሸነፋል![ አራት ሚሊየን ነጥቦች]

ክሬሚያ ሆይ ብረሳሽ ቀኜ ትርሳኝ!” ቀኜ ትርሳኝ” እያለ ነው የኣውሮፓው ሻዕብያ፡ ዘለንስኪ ጀግናው!
Finland has become the 31st member of NATO. What does it mean for Russia?
Sylvain Saurel

For Russia, not much.



For Putin, it is a complete failure.

Finland's application to join NATO marks the complete failure of Putin's international policy.
Putin made a major geopolitical mistake by invading Ukraine in February 2022.

He toppled Finland in a matter of weeks. The Finns were not particularly attracted to NATO before that, but Putin's expansionist madness changed everything.

Putin will later say that everything was planned and that NATO is an existential threat to Russia. But I think you can judge for yourself who the real danger is now.

Russia is a danger for Finland, but also for all Eastern European countries.

Putin started with Ukraine, and who knows where he might want to go next!

Moreover, Putin has made Russia lose 30 years of progress and just as much to get back to the same level. Putin boasts about his turn to the East but in reality, he has turned his country into a vassal of Xi Jinping's China.

Putin's dreams of greatness are already buried.

Putin will have succeeded in the tour de force of greatly weakening himself, strengthening NATO, and propelling China as the dominant power in Central Asia. And to think that some thought he was a fine strategist.


ሲጠቃለል
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ደደቢት ብቻ ኣይደለም ደደብ፤ ሩስያም (ክሬምሊንም) ጭምር ደደብ ነው!

ዘለንስኪ ጀግና ነው!

ድል ለሰፊው የዩክሬን ህዝብ!
:mrgreen:

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 03:11
by Fiyameta
Meleket's Chigray has declared war on Russia too! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 03:42
by Meleket

:mrgreen:

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 04:49
by Zmeselo


LATEST
EU, NATO, U.S.: All Are Now Committed to Defeating Russia in Ukraine

By Eric Zuesse

https://theduran.com/eu-nato-u-s-all-ar ... n-ukraine/

May 11, 2023

Either Russia will win the war in Ukraine, or else America and its allies will, because there is no longer even the possibility for an ending to that war by any sort of mutual agreement between the two sides: it won’t be a negotiated settlement. For one side it will be victory; for the other it will be defeat.

The latest sign of this is from the EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, saying in an interview on May 10th, https://archive.is/r4ICy
I know how to end the war immediately: I stop providing military aid to Ukraine and Ukraine has to surrender in a few days. That’s it, the war is over. But how did the war end? With a defeated, occupied country. … The one who started the aggression says that until he achieves his military objectives, and he has not achieved them, he will continue.
Furthermore, Borrell asserted https://archive.is/0VlPV there:
Those who say: ‘I want peace and the best thing to achieve it is for the Europeans to cease helping Ukraine’, … frankly, I don’t know what world they live in.
So, clearly, he would be accepting the EU’s failure in its war against Russia if Putin “achieves his military objectives”; Russia’s demands, Borrell insists, are nothing less than the defeat of the EU. Defeat of Ukraine would be defeat of the EU. Consequently: ONLY the defeat of Russia is acceptable to the EU, no negotiation, no concessions at all that would allow Russia NOT to be defeated there. And,
for the Europeans to cease helping Ukraine
would mean that
Ukraine has to surrender in a few days.
He is saying, in other words: Ukraine is fighting there for the EU (who are propping it up), not for Ukrainians (although he thinks they’ll benefit from it, too). There will be no negotiated ending to this war, but only victory for one side, and defeat for the other, because the EU will keep propping it up until Ukraine defeats Russia there. And, for him, the two sides in this war are the EU versus Russia; it’s a war between the EU and Russia, that is being waged in the battlefields of Ukraine. NATO and America refused to negotiate on ANY https://archive.ph/woOvb of the Russian national-security demands that Russia presented to them on 17 December 2021; https://archive.is/7HNcg and Borrell is now saying that the EU won’t negotiate on them, either.

NATO made clear on May 9th https://theduran.com/nato-has-now-openl ... st-russia/ that it will accept nothing less than the complete defeat of Russia in Ukraine, and reiterated, yet again, its scornful rejection of all of the national-security demands that Russia had presented to them in writing on 17 December 2021. And the U.S. Congress is now considering a Resolution https://archive.is/ElDDU to commit the Government to invading Russia if Russia ever does appear about to defeat Ukraine’s government in Ukraine.

Clearly, then, there is no possibility remaining for a negotiated ending to this war.

Once one side or the other wins it by the usages of solely conventional weapons, will the opposite side then accept having been defeated there; or will it instead launch a nuclear invasion against the opposite side in order to avoid the humiliation of having been defeated by conventional weapons, in this war where each of the two sides has told its entire population that the opposed side personifies evil?

Other than that — which rules out any other termination of this war than a 100% military one and the losing side’s surrender to the winning side — what are the REAL stakes here?:

For Russia, it is the nation’s continued existence as a sovereign independent nation within its own land. It’s existential. For America, it is the nation’s continuation as being the world’s leading superpower — sovereign over the entire planet. It’s status. https://archive.is/AKG95

That’s the basic fact here: it’s the basic difference between the two sides.

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 04:58
by Zack
politically its right to do for Ukraine to protect themselves from russia is it only smart to join nato

ask ur self this does ukrain have the right to choose its path and block

its not a declaration of war if the nato members allow ukrain in the club how ever one can translate this as an act of a future war, russia just needs to withdraw to its own borders and leave ukraine ..


Dr Zackovich

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 05:35
by Abe Abraham
Zack wrote:
12 May 2023, 04:58
politically its right to do for Ukraine to protect themselves from russia is it only smart to join nato

ask ur self this does ukrain have the right to choose its path and block

its not a declaration of war if the nato members allow ukrain in the club how ever one can translate this as an act of a future war, russia just needs to withdraw to its own borders and leave ukraine ..


Dr Zackovich
Zack is more well read and smarter than that.



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Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 05:44
by Zack
are u also on the ru ssian camp abe abraham\


dr Zackovich

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 05:56
by Meleket
የነ እንቶኔ "የምርክስና" ኣባቶች! :mrgreen:







የወራሪዎች ገጽታ!
:mrgreen:

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 06:50
by Zmeselo
It has nothing to do with the pawn, Ukraine.

It has to do, with US world hegemony & its to be or not to be.

Some people are comfortable with solely one superpower, but most around the world hate a uni-polar world led by the US.

Don't forget that they're antagonizing China through the Taiwan card, as well.

Zack wrote:
12 May 2023, 04:58
politically its right to do for Ukraine to protect themselves from russia is it only smart to join nato

ask ur self this does ukrain have the right to choose its path and block

its not a declaration of war if the nato members allow ukrain in the club how ever one can translate this as an act of a future war, russia just needs to withdraw to its own borders and leave ukraine ..


Dr Zackovich

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 08:18
by Zmeselo











Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 08:52
by Zack
Zmeselo wrote:
12 May 2023, 06:50
It has nothing to do with the pawn, Ukraine.

It has to do, with US world hegemony & its to be or not to be.

Some people are comfortable with solely one superpower, but most around the world hate a uni-polar world led by the US.

Don't forget that they're antagonizing China through the Taiwan card, as well.

Zack wrote:
12 May 2023, 04:58
politically its right to do for Ukraine to protect themselves from russia is it only smart to join nato

ask ur self this does ukrain have the right to choose its path and block

its not a declaration of war if the nato members allow ukrain in the club how ever one can translate this as an act of a future war, russia just needs to withdraw to its own borders and leave ukraine ..


Dr Zackovich

Sure Sure people can opppose the USA and the Russian federation or the Chinese

but the ukranians have the right join what ever block they wish for their country isnt that their god given right.

iregardless of the conflict between the US and the Russian federation and the Chinese on one side.


Dr Zackovich

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 11:12
by Abe Abraham
Zack wrote:
12 May 2023, 05:44
are u also on the ru ssian camp abe abraham\


dr Zackovich
The Neo-Cons in their attempt to put the whole world under their control want to lead us into a final global holocaust. The whole issue is not about Ukraine. If that were the case Minsk Accord II would have sufficed to bring peace and tranquillity in that country and its surroundings .
Minsk II

Representatives of Russia, Ukraine, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the leaders of separatist-held regions Donetsk and Luhansk signed a 13-point agreement in February 2015.

The leaders of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine gathered in Minsk to mark the occasion and issued a declaration of support.

The deal’s 13 points were:
  • Immediate, comprehensive ceasefire.
  • Withdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides
.
  • OSCE monitoring.
  • Dialogue on interim self-government for Donetsk and Luhansk, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledgement of special status by parliament.
  • Pardon, amnesty for fighters.
  • Exchange of hostages, prisoners.
  • Humanitarian assistance
.
  • Resumption of socioeconomic ties, including pensions.
  • Ukraine to restore control of state border.
  • Withdrawal of foreign armed formations, military equipment, mercenaries.
  • Constitutional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.

  • Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk.
  • Intensify Trilateral Contact Group’s work including representatives of Russia, Ukraine and OSCE.
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Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 12 May 2023, 13:24
by Zmeselo
Well, for Russia, it's a choice between Ukraine's freedom of choice (which isn't really free. The US did a coup & removed the people's choice in 2014) or its own freedom to exist unmolested & it obviously chose the latter.
Zack wrote:
12 May 2023, 08:52
Zmeselo wrote:
12 May 2023, 06:50
It has nothing to do with the pawn, Ukraine.

It has to do, with US world hegemony & its to be or not to be.

Some people are comfortable with solely one superpower, but most around the world hate a uni-polar world led by the US.

Don't forget that they're antagonizing China through the Taiwan card, as well.

Zack wrote:
12 May 2023, 04:58
politically its right to do for Ukraine to protect themselves from russia is it only smart to join nato

ask ur self this does ukrain have the right to choose its path and block

its not a declaration of war if the nato members allow ukrain in the club how ever one can translate this as an act of a future war, russia just needs to withdraw to its own borders and leave ukraine ..


Dr Zackovich

Sure Sure people can opppose the USA and the Russian federation or the Chinese

but the ukranians have the right join what ever block they wish for their country isnt that their god given right.

iregardless of the conflict between the US and the Russian federation and the Chinese on one side.


Dr Zackovich

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 19 May 2023, 04:26
by Zack
So u saying because russia feels threatend Ukrain hasnt a choice to join whom ever it wants

well let me put this back to u

So Eritrea doesnt deserve Independence because the red sea fell now into the hands of arabs since Eritrea is now part of the nations under arab influance and its an observer country under the arab leageu. As haile sellasie back in the days said we will not allow that this part of the red sea is controlled by arabs.. So do you agree with this assesment


Dr Zackovich

Re: NATO has now openly declared war against Russia.

Posted: 19 May 2023, 08:49
by Fed_Up
^^^Hard to teach and reasoning with agame. They are pure dumb.