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Dr Abiy Indicated that Ethiopia Will be Oropia (Oromumma led Country)!

Recently, Dr. Abiy gave a very good answer to those, who accuse Oromo forces as If they are dismantling Ethiopia. He said “the Oromo will never disintegrate Ethiopia, because ” Itiyophiyan inifeligatalen” = we need the country as united as it is”. How beautiful reply! Only fool Oromo prefer to have only the net salary (Oromia), whereas we have the possibility to own the gross salary (Oropia = Oromumma led Ethiopia). I hope the OLF also shall opt for Oropia. We really need Ethiopia with the potential to be transformed to Oropia. It is a huge resource, which is more valuable than owning a territory full of gold, oil and marble.
Read more: https://fayyisoromia.wordpress.com/2023 ... d-country/

Habesha elites know this fact very well that democratizing Ethiopia is tantamount to transforming to Oropia and Oromo elites also started to understand it. That is why Habesha elites give only lip service to democracy, because they really can see what that means. Some Oromo elites didn’t yet get this truth; accordingly they vehemently oppose “democratizatzion of the empire”. But, the logic is that democratic Ethiopia is de facto Oropia; i.e bigger than Oromia planned by the OLF. Since the prompt response I once gave to one ethiopianist Oromo, who tried to persuade Oromo nationalists so that we accept Ethiopia and Ethiopiawinet (Ethiopian nationalism = Abesha nationalism) at cost of Oromia and Oromummaa (Oromo nationalism), I recieved several protest and few support letters from some Oromo nationalists per e-mail. One of the reasons raised by those who oppose the concept of Oropia is that the goal of federalist Oromos, i.e ‘democratic genuine federation of Ethiopia’, can not be the same as an integrative Oromia I suggested, but “it will be a continuation of the existing Abyssinian empire”.

I personally do believe that Oromia within womb of Ethiopia, as planned by the federalists, is only transitional solution on the way towards either indispensable transformation of Ethiopia to de jure integrative Oropia or natural inevitable birth of an independent Oromia. But yet even future transitional democratic Ethiopia can be considered as de facto Oropia, if Oromo community from now on start to call it as such, without waiting for permission and recoginition from any sort of authority as well as if we really succeed in making Afaan Oromo the working language of future true federation. In this essay, I will try to show how using Afaan Oromo can make democratic Ethiopia be de facto Oropia.

Obbo OPFist,

Abiy's Medemer Philosophy is similar to creating united Ethiopia under " Unity in Diversity " concept where every Ethinic rights are protected and respected by the Constitution .


You approach things from zero sum game perspective and assuming Oromos are a majority , which is not true . We need to keep united Ethiopia based on the consensus reached among all stakeholders ( Ethiopians). The term Habesha refers to mixed race from Cush and Middle East and you could find millions of Oromos who are Habeshas. Actually perhaps 80% of Oromo speaking Ethiopians could be categorized as Habeshas ( see the physical features of Borona, Arusi, Bale, Harar, Showa, Jimma, part of Wellega etc). The typical Cushetic Oromos selected among prominent Oromos are shown in the following links.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... Vi5F4uEMbu

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... tm3I6vDJZp

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... Y_ZQS14-NF

Axum-ze-agame,

While I disagree with Oromo's ''dominating'' anyone, it does make sense that we play the biggest role in govt, due to our numbers, land we occupy, etc. But, of course, this would be in coalition with others-amara, somali, gurage, welayta, sidama, tigrayan, etc.
The ''pure Oromo,'' like the ''pure amara,'' indeed are the minority in comparison to the people we've assimilated; however, what you post as examples of ''true oromo'' is false. It's based on your negative view of the oromo and what you consider to be an inferior group (oromo); perhaps it's also based on bitter feelings due to how the qeerroo led the movement that sent your uncles packing to mekelle hotel, and then later, led to tigray going through a war (self imposed war, started by their own inept tplf leaders) that sent them back to the 1940's. I get it. That's why you posted pictures of older men, as if they represent the ''true oromo'', when in reality, we're more good looking than that, with all due respect to those elderly brothers.


''The accompanying portrait of an Oromo (g word removed) presents no correspondence with the conception usually formed of an African native.
The forehead is high and square instead of low and receding; the nose is narrow, with the nostrils straight and not transverse; the chin is small and slightly pointed instead of massive and protruding; the hair is long and not woolly; the lips are thinner than those of the negro and not everted; the expression is intellectual, and indicates a type of mind higher than that of the simple Negro.
Indeed, except for the colour, it could hardly be distinguished from the face of an European.''

[The Great Rift Valley: Being the Narrative of a Journey to Mount Kenya and Lake Baringo : with Some Account of the Geology, Natural History, Anthropology and Future Prospects of British East Africa
Pg 356]

It is clear, only Abyssinian elites and few culturally and linguistically Habeshanized elites from other nations are against such future Oropia (Ethiopia) with genuine ethnic federalism or internal self-determination of nations. This Oropia is actually the best compromise solution for all nations in the region in order to live together – achieving both national autonomy and regional integration. The position of Abyssinian elites regarding self-determination of nations made them be not suitable to cooperate with elites of other nations against TPLF. Abyssinian elites do promote unconditional unitary Ethiopia at cost of self-determination, which they also put as a precondition for possible alliance, especially between Abyssinian democratic forces and Oromian freedom fighters. Some Oromo nationalists tend to accept this precondition, only if Abyssinian elites also may accept one Oromo’s demand, i.e Afaan Oromo as the only working language of the federation, instead of Amharinya. They say: let’s try to persuade Habesha elites to accept Afaan Oromo as working language in a common house, Oropia, as a test. Will Abyssinian elites then continue as pro unity and anti-ethnicity, even if Amharinya will be demoted to only local language of Amhara region and if Afaan Oromo will be promoted to the only working language of the federation? I am sure they will not! In case they continue to be pro-unity, also under this situation, as they claim to believe now, let’s then try this new version of democratic Ethiopiawinet = de facto Orompiawinet) with only Afaan Oromo, instead of Amharinya.

Ato Sadacha,

The cush people are darker and with unique African features that we see on non-mixed Africans. I am proud Tigrayan, Ethiopian and African and I love and respect all Africans including those with Arabic features ( Northern Africa) , mixed race features ( Habeshas who are living through out Africa) and those colored and well built not- mixed Africans. Do not try to misrepresent what I did not say or tried to imply.

Axum ze agame,

I already posted proof of what we looked like, and we come in different colors, not just ''dark'' as you put it (plenty of your agame people are dark too, btw).
What is unique african features anyway? Elaborate and bring proof, like I did. I got specific and mentioned the features we have; you didn't. Big difference there.

Ato Sadacha,

- As a layman to the subject, I prefer to talk in generic terms rather than in detailing physical features or the details of scientific classification . My classification does not consider the spoken language but physical features.
- The language people speak is not a strong indication of ethinicity/ race
- It may be better to classify race based on DNA composition ( most Ethiopians may have similar DNA composition)
- Mixed races offspring could be different to their parents ( most of Ethiopians are mixed races/Habesha )
- Unmixed races offspring are similar to their parents

After observing an imposition of Amharinya at cost of Afaan Oromo in the past more than one century, I just couldn’t help, but think about the main mistake some of the empire leaders from Oromo origin like Ob. Qusee Dinagde & Ob. Gobena Daacee, who are adored by Ethiopianists as builders of the empire, did commit. The worst mistake was their acceptance of Amharinya as only national language of the empire they did help to forge, of course at cost of Afaan Oromo. Being Oromo, if they could have managed to promote Afaan Oromo to national language of the empire, now Oromos were not the ones, who should fight for self-determination, but others. The whole of Finfinne’s “high class society” and other “modern” peoples in the empire would have spoken Afaan Oromo as well as the whole diaspora Ethiopians now would have spoken Afaan Oromo, even all would have claimed to be Ethiopian with the content of Oromummaa (Oromo nationalistm), but not Habeshanet (Abyssinian nationalism). To be an Ethiopian = Oropian in this sense, of course, almost equivalent to be an Oromo, not an Amhara as it is till now.

I say around 15% to 20% of Oromos are Habeshas

Here is the most Habesha in Oromo

1) Shewans around 70% Habesha
2) Horugudru around 35% Habesha
3) West Arsi (Tulu Derarti) around 25% Habesha
4) Jimma around 15% Habesha
5) East Welega around 10% Habesha

At present, for Abyssinian elites to come to their sense and comprehend why we did say so, let’s look at the following fact in short. Most Abyssinian elites nowadays think they are pro-Ethiopiawinet and anti-ethnicity and they think they do have a moral upper-hand over others, who “promote ethnic politics”. For them to develop another view, let’s demote Amharinya to local language of only Amhara region and promote Afaan Oromo to zhe only federal language. Until now, just based on fact that Amharinya is federal language, they used to talk about Ethiopiawinet, which in essence means actually Amharanet (Amhara nationalism) for they know how the Amharanization process bis still going on. If we change role of the two languages, I am sure Oromo nationals will start to value Ethiopiawinet, which will be equivalent to Oromummaa and, of course, they will denounce ethnicity. Then, surely Amhara elites will start to defend themselves from the possible Oromonization and will denounce Ethiopiawinet with only Afaan Oromo as federal language and they surely will automatically be pro-ethnicity. So, we can see how simple it is to be a moralist without understanding the mechanism behind all what we do believe.

Guraghe is southern most Habesha clan.

But Hadiya south of Guraghe look very Habesha around 38% they look almost identical to Tulamas of Shewa and West Arsi people. Both Haidya and Guraghe faces are common in Tulamas

Oromo nationals in this sense just asked Abyssinian elites to accept Afaan Oromo as the only federal language for the sake of neutralizing their attempt of maintaining and talking about Ethiopian unity with Amharinya as theü only working language of the federation and, Abyssinian elites are making Amharanization process as something normal to be accepted and lived by all nations in the region. Of course, few Abyssinian elites demand the public to decide on the issue: which language should be the future federal working language. But, to ask the public decision on the future federal working language, we first need to ask the public what type of sovereignty they want to foster. The future free nations have to either say YES or NO to the possible union. Why doesn’t democracy of Abyssinian elites, which we observed in their rhetoric up to now, include this decision? Some of these Habesha elites accuse Oromo elites as if we do have grudge against Minilik. The resentment of Oromo elites against Meles and Minilik is fact, but not only that; unfortunately almost all currently living Abyssinian elites want to perpetuate same policy of Meles or Minilik with a pretext of Ethiopian unity, thus our opposition is against also such modern Melesites and Minilikites.

Furthermore, some Abyssinian elites do cry foul about a possible future Oromo hegemony just because of fact that Oromo elites are demanding Afaan Oromo be one of the future federal languages. Those Oromo elites, who make such demand, are not actually promoters of Oromo hegemony, but just to show Abyssinina elites how the reverse of the effort to dominate the Oromo further can be painful to Abyssinian elites, Oromo elites say: “if Abyssinian elites want Ethiopian unity (one common house), then they should see also what it looks like to be under the theoretical future Oromo domination replacing their own domination”. In general, why do Abyssinina elites talk and preach democracy, whereas at the same time they do exclude right of the public to decide on its destiny per referendum – national self-determination? If they have to think democratically as they usually claim to do, then they need to know that there is no half-baked democracy.

Tigray - Oromia Alliance is the way forward to save Ethiopia from disintegration!

Axumezana wrote: ↑

11 May 2023, 21:16

Ato Sadacha,

- As a layman to the subject, I prefer to talk in generic terms rather than in detailing physical features or the details of scientific classification . My classification does not consider the spoken language but physical features.
- The language people speak is not a strong indication of ethinicity/ race
- It may be better to classify race based on DNA composition ( most Ethiopians may have similar DNA composition)
- Mixed races offspring could be different to their parents ( most of Ethiopians are mixed races/Habesha )
- Unmixed races offspring are similar to their parents

axum-ze agame,



The very fact that you were so vague and didn't bring any proof, speaks volumes; you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to us Oromo's, therefore; why even speak on us and our ''true cushitic features''? When you clearly have no idea?
Physical features of the ''true oromo,'' have already been posted by me, you brought forth no proof, but mere conjecture; therefore... you're wrong sir. We don't differ much from amara/tigrayans in looks, at least not to the point that we appear to belong to another face.





BTW!
What is the etymology/origin of the term habesha? because today, we assume it refers to northern ethiopians (minus the gurage), who speak amharic or tigrayan, wear white shammas, etc.

Some Oromo elites do argue that one of the main conflict factors in the empire is language factor. If Abyssinian elites do disagree with this premise, then let’s try it practically: just demote Amharinya to the only Amhara region and promote Afaan Oromo to the only language of the federation. Surely, the Oromo will then accept unconditional unity with Ethiopiawinet and they will denounce “ethnicity” as well they may tend to reject the right of nations to self-determination. Hopefully, Abyssinian elites will then be ready to influence all their relatives to learn Afaan Oromo without any objection. If so, then Oromo elites will be very happy if Abyssinian elitess would not prefer to fight for their national self-determination, but only struggle for democracy, unity, justice, equality, peace and prosperity. Looking back to history of the empire and trying to judge the status quo, all elites of nations in the empire do have their own interpretation of history. Thus, preferable to such quarell on history is an orientation to the future and ask question: what options regarding a solution for the language conflict do we have if we want to live together in a future Oromian (Ethiopian) union? Here are five possiblities:

Thus, preferable to such quarell on history is an orientation to the future and ask question: what options regarding a solution for the language conflict do we have if we want to live together in a future Oromian (Ethiopian) union? Here are five possiblities:

1) Union of free peoples in Ethiopia based on self-determination, all nations having their own languages in their respective national areas and using English as common language

2) Union in a new federal Ethiopia with Afaan Oromo as only federal woking language

3) Union with five major languages (Afaan Oromo, Amharinya, Af Somaal, Tigrinya and English) as federal working languages

4) Union with two major languages (Afaan Oromo and Amharinya) as federal languages and

5) Union with Amharinya as the only federal language (similar to the status quo which should be changed by any means as far as the Oromo are concerned)

Ascari Agame Sadacha,

Your explanation on trying to describe the features of Oromos is in adequate , as you could find non- Oromo people in different regions of Ethiopia with features that meet your definition.
If you do not understand my perspective , the summary is below.
The issue of ethnicity categorized by the spoken language , by physical features or by the geographic location is not adequate enough to make objective & clear demarcation. It is preferable to use DNA based classifications , which may be more accurate. Based on DNA I believe all Ethiopians have similar one with some difference.