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[Abere]

What was Sudan's Original Language Before They Were Conquered by Arabs? Horus, Please? I do not think Arabic is their language. Lots of artifacts such as Geez scripts have been discovered in the ruins of statutes similar to Axum. Once upon a time I encountered a Sudanese, he teased me saying that you Ethiopians stopped our civilization "we" had in Axum. But I did not take him seriously

[tarik]

What was Sudan's Original Language Before They Were Conquered by Arabs? Horus, Please? I do not think Arabic is their language. Lots of artifacts such as Geez scripts have been discovered in the ruins of statutes similar to Axum. Once upon a time I encountered a Sudanese, he teased me saying that you Ethiopians stopped our civilization "we" had in Axum. But I did not take him seriously

Egyptians use to speak a lot of cushitic languages combined, you had nubian,my eritrean tigre & beja languages.

Nubian sudanese

Eritrean tigre music

my Eritrean beja or bedawiet movie.

[Abere]

tarik,
Thanks for the information. But what specific language or languages were Sudanese originally speaking? Originally, I know, Sudanese were Christians until the Arab world invaded and converted them to accept Islam. It is tragic they lost both their language and religion in entirety. That was why for thousand of years Ethiopia has been referred to as the Christian Island, because Arabs could not wiped of Christianity, unlike they did in Sudan and Egypt. I think in the case of Egypt, the Copt were the majority until overtaken by Arabs and Arabic language. Also, I read that Egypt was ruled in ancient times by Sudanese and most of their Pharaoh are of Sudanese background.

[Abe Abraham]

What was Sudan's Original Language Before They Were Conquered by Arabs? Horus, Please? I do not think Arabic is their language. Lots of artifacts such as Geez scripts have been discovered in the ruins of statutes similar to Axum. Once upon a time I encountered a Sudanese, he teased me saying that you Ethiopians stopped our civilization "we" had in Axum. But I did not take him seriously

ሱዳን በተለያዩ ብሄሮች የቆመች ኣገር ስለሆነች " What was Sudan's Original Language Before They Were Conquered by Arabs? " ብለን ልንጠይቅ ኣንችልም ። ቋንቋ የሚለውን በቋንቋዎች ሲስተካከል ግን እንደ የሻይጊያ የመሳሰሉ ኣረብኛ ብቻ የሚናገሩ ብሄሮች ከተውክ እስካሁን ድረስ ሱዳናውያን በተለያየ ደረጃ የራሳቸው ቋንቋዎች ( ሩጣናዎች! ) ይናገራሉ ።

ለየሻይጊያ ብሄር ሰዎች "ለምን ኣረብኛ ብቻ ትናገራላችሁ? " ብለው ሲጠይቅዋቸው መነሻችን ከምድረ-ዓረብ ስለሆነ ነው የሚል መልስ ሲሰጡ ሌሎች ከበላይነት የተሳሰረ ኣስተሳሰቡ ( ከየኣፍሪቃ የኣረብ ዘር ይበልጣል! )የሚጠሉ ሱዳናውያን እናንተ የኤዛና ወራሪ ሰራዊት( በምድረ-ኑብያ) ቅሪቶች ናችሁ ይልዋቸዋል ።




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[Horus]

አበረ፣
አቤ አብርሃም ትክክል ነው ፤ የሱዳን ሕዝብ ከኢትዮጵያ በላይ ቋንቋዎች ይናገራሉ ። ዛሬ ዝም ብዬ ጉግል ሳደርግ እንኳ ያገኘሁት መልስ አንዱ ከ100 በላይ ቋንቋዎች ይናገራሉ ሲል ሌላው በምድረ ሱዳን ከ500 በላይ ጎሳዎች እና ከ400 በላይ የቋንቋ ዲያሌክቶች ይነገራሉ ይላል። ስለሆነ ጥያቄህ ቋንቋዎች ማለት አለበት ።

ዛሬ ላይ በአረብኛና በትንታዊ የቅርብ ምስራቅ ቋንቋዎች ያልተዋጡ ካሉ ፣ያሉ ይመስለኛል እነዚያ ከቅድመ ኮሎኒያል ሱዳን ቋንቋዎች ናቸው ማለት ነው ። ቋንቋቸውን ጽፈው ያስቀሩ ትንታዊ ግብጾች ስለሆኑ የነሱ ቋንቋም እንደ ግብጸኑባ ቋንቁ መውሰድ አለብን ። ኑቢያ በግብጾች ዘመን አፐር ኢጂፕት ይባል ነበር ማለት አፐር ኢጂፕት የላይኛው ግብጽ ኑቢያ እንጂ አሌክሳንደሪያ አልነበረም ። ናይል ወንዝ ወደ ታች ፈሶ ሉክሶር ስለሚሄድ ለግብጾች ኑቢያ የላይኛው ነበር እንደ ዛሬ ሰሜን ደቡብ እንደ ምንለው ሳይሆን። ስለሆነም የግብጽ ግዛት ወደ አፐር ኢጂፕት ወደ ኑቢያ ሲመጣም ቋንቋው በከመት (ግብጽ) ስለነበር ብሄራዊው የሱዳን ቋንቋ ማን ነበር ካልክ በግድ ቀምጥ (ቆፕት) መሆን አለበት ።

እኔ የቅማንት ቋንቋ ምን እንደ ሚመስል አላቅም ። ቅማንት የሚለው ስም ከፊሎሎጂ አንጻር ስመለክተው ቅማት ማለት ነው ያ ደሞ ቀምት (ከምት) ወይም ግብጻዊ የሚል ጥርጣሬ ላይ አድርሶኛል ። የቅማንት ቋንቋ አዋቂ ካለ ጥቂት ካላት ጀባ ቢለው ጥሩ ነው ። በተረፈ ዛሬ ግዕዝ ውስጥ ብዙ የግብጽ ቃላት አሉ ። ዘመናዊ ኮቲክ ሳይሆን ፈረኦናዊ ቀንጥ። ያ ብቻ አይደለም የጥንታዊ ግብጽ ቋንቋ አንዱ ትልቁ የሴሚቲክ ቋንቋ አባት ነው ።

እርግጥ ጥንታዊ ግብጽም በፊኒሺያና ሌሎች የአሲሪያን ኢምፓየሮች ተገዝታ ነበር ፣ ክል ግብጾች እስከ ዛሬ ሌባኖንና ፐርሺያ ድረስ እንደ ገዙት ሁሉ ። ያ ማለት ደሞ የቋንቋዎች ለዘመናት መዳቀል ማለት ነው ።

[Mesob]

thank you tarik, for the links.
Then some Arabized retards, Arabic enslaved minds and Egyptian mulattoes born from their slaves, left overs of the Arab Egyptian invasion of Abyssinia were created and some Tigraian Jebrtis refugees joined them who hate their own Tigre, Tigrinya, Amharic and African languages.
The open source in the net, the Eritrean Human Rights Electronic Archive (Ehrea) confirms that the Jebha ELF leaders who decided to burn Tigre language 1500 textbooks in the 1970s that was prepared and printed by its own Department of Education are the following:
1. Abdela Idris
2. Hamid Adem Sulieman
3. Ibrahim Mohamed Ali
4. Azien Yasin, and few minions
People like Ahmad Naser and Melake Tekle were not involved.
Here you have the historical truth and the shameless idiots of Jebha who committed “linguistic suicide”.

What was Sudan's Original Language Before They Were Conquered by Arabs? Horus, Please? I do not think Arabic is their language. Lots of artifacts such as Geez scripts have been discovered in the ruins of statutes similar to Axum. Once upon a time I encountered a Sudanese, he teased me saying that you Ethiopians stopped our civilization "we" had in Axum. But I did not take him seriously

Egyptians use to speak a lot of cushitic languages combined, you had nubian,my eritrean tigre & beja languages.

Nubian sudanese

Eritrean tigre music

my Eritrean beja or bedawiet movie.

[Zmeselo]

Nubian, Meroitic & Cushitic.


Old Nubian manuscript, from Wikipedia

[sun]

tarik,
Thanks for the information. But what specific language or languages were Sudanese originally speaking? Originally, I know, Sudanese were Christians until the Arab world invaded and converted them to accept Islam. It is tragic they lost both their language and religion in entirety. That was why for thousand of years Ethiopia has been referred to as the Christian Island, because Arabs could not wiped of Christianity, unlike they did in Sudan and Egypt. I think in the case of Egypt, the Copt were the majority until overtaken by Arabs and Arabic language. Also, I read that Egypt was ruled in ancient times by Sudanese and most of their Pharaoh are of Sudanese background.

You, the low IQ village redneck vagabonds suffering from debilitating inferiority complex better you learn to respect others as well as equally respecting yourself in healthy way rather than spreading your hateful dirty propaganda and get your a$$ hole spanked in return form century to century. All the diverse religions are good as long as they fulfill the spiritual and physical needs of their faith communities and may not do bad to other religions and their faith communities.

[Noble Amhara]

sudan was never truely a Christian nation simply the Kingdom of Dongola Makuria and Nubia were all based on the Nile River outside the Nile area there were little to no Christian's. Christianity failed to dominate the Nomadic areas of Sahara so Islam took that roll

Christianity dominated in Agarian Farmer areas especially in Eritrea and Ethiopia so Sudan didn't have enough farmlands for a strong Christian community to thrive in

[Abe Abraham]

sudan was never truely a Christian nation simply the Kingdom of Dongola Makuria and Nubia were all based on the Nile River outside the Nile area there were little to no Christian's. Christianity failed to dominate the Nomadic areas of Sahara so Islam took that roll

Christianity dominated in Agarian Farmer areas especially in Eritrea and Ethiopia so Sudan didn't have enough farmlands for a strong Christian community to thrive in

Indeed there was a presence of Christian and Geez culture in the areas that you mentioned. The evidence is in the Sudan National Museum (Khartoum) for anyone to see. I and my family had an opportunity there to closely inspect a Church with Geez script written on its walls.

I have read somewhere that it took the Arab invaders six years to subdue the locals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Sudan

[Tiago]

Sudan has two official languages namely literary Arabic and English. The number of languages indigenous to Sudan is estimated at 114 while there are over 500 accents in the country.

Afro-Asiatic Languages Spoken In Sudan
Arabic: The Official Language Of Sudan
Sudan's Constitution gives Arabic official status, and it is the dominant tongue in the African country. The language is used mainly in one dialect namely the Sudanese Arabic. This dialect is classified in the Afro-Asiatic family, and it is different from Egyptian Arabic. Sudanese Arabic shares similarities with Hejazi Arabic. There are notable differences in the Arabic spoken in Sudan by region. In Southern Sudan for example, a variant called Juba Arabic is more common. Over time, Sudanese Arabic has been influenced by various Nubian languages. In Sudan's western region, another Arabic dialect named Chadian Arabic is heard among the Baggara as well as other Arabized African tribes. Hejazi and Najzdi Arabic are common in the country's mid-eastern and mid-northern regions.

Beja
Two other languages in the Afro-Asiatic family are spoken in Sudan. The Beja language, also named Bedawi, boasts about 2 million speakers. The language is native to the Beja community who inhabit the Red Sea's western coast.

Hausa
The other language is Hausa which is spoken by a western community of about 80,000 inhabitants. The Tigre language, dominant in Eritrea, also has some speakers in Sudan.

Nilo-Saharan Languages Spoken In Sudan
The Nilo-Saharan family has the largest number of native languages in Sudan. This group of languages is spread from the south up to the southern parts of Khartoum.

Dinka
The Dinka people constitute the largest ethnicity in South Sudan, and they speak Dinka. The language is broken down into five dialects namely Northeastern and western, Southwestern, South Central, and Southeastern.

Nuer
The Nuer language mainly has speakers in the southeastern parts of Sudan. The Nuer people number about 1.4 million, and they inhabit the savanna and marshes of the Nile valley located in southern Sudan. The community exercises significant autonomy from Sudan's central government.

Other Nilo-Saharan Languages Of Sudan
The Fur languages are used by the Fur people of Darfur inhabiting western Sudan as well as Chad. The Masalit language is native to Sudan where it is used by the Masalit people occupying West Darfur. The Zaghawa language is heard among the Zaghawa communities of northwestern Sudan. The Temein languages constitute some Eastern Sudanic languages such as Tese, Temein, and Doni spoken in Sudan.

Nubian Languages Spoken In Sudan
The Nubian languages are spoken in Nubian communities living in Sudan. The Nobiin language has the most speakers in this family, and it is commonly used in northern Sudan. Most of the nobiin-speaking people also speak Sudanese Arabic. Another Nubian language in Sudan is the Midob language used by the Midob communities who have settled in North Darfur. Midob people are also found in Jezirat Aba as well as the Khartoum area. The Hill Nubian languages have about 63,000 speakers in the northern Nuba Mountains situated in the southern part of Sudan. Seven Hill Nubian languages have been identified, some of which have dialects. The Birgid language is now ranked as an extinct language.

Niger-Congo Languages Spoken In Sudan
The Niger-Congo group use languages also spoken in neighboring countries. The Zande language is mostly used in western Sudan being spoken by the Zande communities also present in Congo as well as the Central African Republic. The Kordofanian languages constitute six language families used in the Nuba Mountains of the Kurdufan region of Sudan. Languages classified in this group include the Kadu, Rashad, Talodi-Heiban, Katla, and Lafofa. The Fulani language has speakers in Kordofan, northern areas, and in the Blue Nile region.




https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/wha ... sudan.html

[Digital Weyane]

የጥንት የትግራይ አባቶቻችን ዛሬ ሱዳን ተብሎ የሚጠራው አገር ድረስ ግዛታቸውን በማስፋፋት እና በደመና ላይ እየጋለቡ መካከለኛው ምስራቅን ጨምሮ በመቆጣጠር የአለም ልዕለ ሃያል ነበሩ። ያኔ የሱዳን ህዝብ የትግራይ ትግርኛ ቋንቋ ይናገሩ እንደነበር የትግራይ የታሪክ ሊቃውንት ይጠቅሳሉ። የፖርቹጋሉ አሳሽ ቫስኮ ደጋማ አሜሪካን ሊያገኛት የቻለው ትግራይን በመፈለግ ላይ የካርታ ስህተት ስላጋጠመው ነበር። ታላቅ ነበርን ታላቅም እንሆናለን። አምየን።

[Abere]

ሆረስ እና አቤ አብርሃም እንድሁም ሌሎች ወንድሞች

ሱዳን ብዙሃ-ልሳን አገር መሆኗን በተመለከተ ለሰጣችሁኝ ግንዛቤ አመሰግናለሁ! በትንሽ ቆዳ ስፋት በተወሰነች አገር ይህን ያህል የስነ-ልሳን ብዙህነት የሚገርም እና ጠቃሚ ነው። ይመስለኛል ለዚህ አበርክቶ ያደረገው የዐባይ ወንዝ ነው ባይ ነኝ። የወሃ ወይም የወንዝ ዳር በስነ-ፍጥረት እንኳን በርካታ አዕዋፋት እና የእጽዋት አይነት ይገኛሉ (ecodiversity)።

በረዥሙ የሰው ልጆች ታሪክ ውስጥ ( ሰው ስራሽ ድንበር ወይም ቅኝ ገዥዎች ድንበር ሰርተው ለእራሳቸው ድርሻ ሰርተው ሳይከፋፈሉን) ከፍተኛ የሆነ ትሥስር ከኢትዮጵያ ጋር እንዳለ በደንብ የረዳኛል። ብዙ ሱዳኖችን በመልክ ከአበሻዎች መለየት አይቻልም። በሌላ መልኩ በርካታ መረጃዎች ግዕዝ ቋንቋ በሰፊው በሱዳን ይጠቀሙበት እና በርካታ የወደሙ አብያተ ክርስቲያኖች እንዳሉ ተረጋግጧል። እኛ ንግስት ማክዳ (Candice) የምንላት አንዳንድ ጥናቶች እንደሚዘግቡት መሰረቷ መርዌ ነው ይላሉ። በጥንት ዘመን ኢትዮጵያ (አበሻ) ተብሎ የሚጠራው ግዛት ሱዳንን ይጨርምራል የሚሉ አሉ። ሆኖም ግን የዚያን ዘመን ግዛት እምብርት(head) የነበረችዋ ኢትዮጵ አሁን ያለችው ኢትዮጵያ የዐባይ/ጊዮን/ ወንዝ መነሻ ናት። ከዚህ ላይ ሱዳን የሚለው ስያሜ ከየት መጣ? የምን ቃል ነው? ምክንያቱም ቀኝ ገዥዎች የአፍሪካ አገሮችን በላቲን ወይም በእራሳቸው ንጉስ /ንግስት ወይም የእነሩ የትውልድ መንደር ስም በመጠቀም ቀኝ የያዙትን አገር ስም ደብዛ ያጠፉታል።

[Horus]

ሆረስ እና አቤ አብርሃም እንድሁም ሌሎች ወንድሞች

ሱዳን ብዙሃ-ልሳን አገር መሆኗን በተመለከተ ለሰጣችሁኝ ግንዛቤ አመሰግናለሁ! በትንሽ ቆዳ ስፋት በተወሰነች አገር ይህን ያህል የስነ-ልሳን ብዙህነት የሚገርም እና ጠቃሚ ነው። ይመስለኛል ለዚህ አበርክቶ ያደረገው የዐባይ ወንዝ ነው ባይ ነኝ። የወሃ ወይም የወንዝ ዳር በስነ-ፍጥረት እንኳን በርካታ አዕዋፋት እና የእጽዋት አይነት ይገኛሉ (ecodiversity)።

በረዥሙ የሰው ልጆች ታሪክ ውስጥ ( ሰው ስራሽ ድንበር ወይም ቅኝ ገዥዎች ድንበር ሰርተው ለእራሳቸው ድርሻ ሰርተው ሳይከፋፈሉን) ከፍተኛ የሆነ ትሥስር ከኢትዮጵያ ጋር እንዳለ በደንብ የረዳኛል። ብዙ ሱዳኖችን በመልክ ከአበሻዎች መለየት አይቻልም። በሌላ መልኩ በርካታ መረጃዎች ግዕዝ ቋንቋ በሰፊው በሱዳን ይጠቀሙበት እና በርካታ የወደሙ አብያተ ክርስቲያኖች እንዳሉ ተረጋግጧል። እኛ ንግስት ማክዳ (Candice) የምንላት አንዳንድ ጥናቶች እንደሚዘግቡት መሰረቷ መርዌ ነው ይላሉ። በጥንት ዘመን ኢትዮጵያ (አበሻ) ተብሎ የሚጠራው ግዛት ሱዳንን ይጨርምራል የሚሉ አሉ። ሆኖም ግን የዚያን ዘመን ግዛት እምብርት(head) የነበረችዋ ኢትዮጵ አሁን ያለችው ኢትዮጵያ የዐባይ/ጊዮን/ ወንዝ መነሻ ናት። ከዚህ ላይ ሱዳን የሚለው ስያሜ ከየት መጣ? የምን ቃል ነው? ምክንያቱም ቀኝ ገዥዎች የአፍሪካ አገሮችን በላቲን ወይም በእራሳቸው ንጉስ /ንግስት ወይም የእነሩ የትውልድ መንደር ስም በመጠቀም ቀኝ የያዙትን አገር ስም ደብዛ ያጠፉታል።

አበረ፤
ሱዳን ማለት ጥቁር ሕዝብ ማለት ነው፤ አረብኛ ነው ። ነገር ግን የጥቁር ሕዝቦች ምድር (የጠይም ሕዝቦች ምድር) የሚለው ጽንሰ ቃል የጥንታዊ ግብጽ ለመሆኑ የኢቲሞሎጂ ምርምሮች አሉ። ግዜ ካለህ ከዚህ በታች ያለውን አርቲክል ተመልከተው።

የፈረንሳዩ ተመራማሪ አንድ ሳይደርስበት የቀረ ነገር ቢኖርም shr/nhs የሚሉት ስረቃላት ዛሬ ላይ ከል (ጥቁር)፣ ከሰል፣ ጠቀር የሚባሉት ናቸው ። ግንዳቸው ቀምጥ ነው። ስለዚህ አረቦቹ ጥቁር የሚለው ስያሜ ከጥንት የተዋረደ ይመስለኛል!

አበሻ ማለት ግን ቀይ ሕዝብ ማለት ነው። በሴም ቋንቁ 'ብሻ' ቀይ ማለት ነው ።

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[Horus]

Tiago,
The Nubian language was called Meroic. I just read that somewhere.

[Zack]

Since when is geez African geez is an assiatic ancient south arabian language I rather have Arabic the. Authentic then a spin off dead language called geez


Dr Zackovich