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Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 07 Apr 2023, 21:12
by banebris2013
Given the past and the way Amhara politics is run at the moment, can Amhara form alliance with anyone at all as its politics is all about Amhara. That means they are ignoring the presence of Agew, Qimant, and Wollos, whom they tamed in to being Amhara through time. Rightfully, there is a movement among these three to get back what they were robed through the amharization system of the past. On top of that Amhara are not in good terms with their immediate neighbors Tigres, Oromos and Benshangul-Gumuz as they claim part of this regions through their "rist asmalash" politics. Another thing that goes against Amhara politics is that they stand to abolish current federal system and bring back the old system where Amhara culture and orthodox church dictates the life of Ethiopians.
Given all of these, can Amhara politics achieve the ambition of removing Abey and over take Ethiopian leadership? Have they thought through about the possible fracturing of Amhara region? It is ok to think you can win over anyone when you are armed to your teeth? But can the arming be sustainable? What about other supplies to sustain the politics of conflict.
Last but not least is the political consciousness level of Ethiopians. Thanks to the expansion of education and social media, Ethiopians level of political consciousness is not where you just get up and manipulate to your advantage. I can argue Amhara politics has never fully considered this in formulating their politics. The fact that AAA gathering talks about "Galla" instead of Oromo says a lot about Amhara politics arrogance and boxing itself in it's past glory days where they call everyone with derogatory names. Time has changed and Amhara politics stands still in its past glory days.
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 07 Apr 2023, 21:32
by Noble Amhara
Banabris Amharaphobe
Amhara have no problem with Agew people as seen in Waghemra and Awi the only problem is in Qemant which was caused by Tigrains in Gondar that started conflict in 2019.
In alliance I believe the Afar are closest to us Amharas than anyone else as we share same struggle in Ethiopia but there is no true political alliance only mutual respect this is why no Amhara has been in conflict with afar
As for Wollo (South Wollo and north Wollo) are Bete Amhara and have no inspiration to seperate from Amhara the Wolloyes have seen their relatives get displaced and genocided out of your barbaric Oromia now they can share the news with Wolloye Amharas about their genocide. The only ones who seek to seperate are Oromos who migrated from Borana but even they do not have clear agenda other than being in conflict with Amharas and Afars
In benishangul the Kamashi and Berta ethnics are not respected by Oromo because they mind their own business.. so only Gumuz terrorists were favourited by welegas to commit genocide not only on Amhara but on Agew and Shinasha in Metekel thus the Agew Awi were victims of Amhara Genocide in Benishangul so they were added to the Amhara Liyu and Amhara struggle
I like how amharaphobes completly reject the fact that Amharas stood out for agews of Waghemra and Awi they have their own zones and are given attention to by Amhara activists as they are our own people but you reject that cause you don't like that you want to divide us abysinnians because you are jealous that we are not tribalists like your folks most tribal sicknesses have been imported into our Abysinnia by communists like you
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 07 Apr 2023, 23:01
by TGAA
You have a twisted understanding of Amharas. Amharas don't want to dominate anyone at all. Amharas were the ones who dismantled their own dominant system to open up opportunity and equality to others. That is the history of Amharas. You bring this fake accusation that Amharas want to dismantle the federal system. Is there a federal system in Ethiopia? or purposely you are confusing the ethnic system as a federal system, or you don't have a clue what a democratic federal system is? You are painting this "ethnic pig" a lipstick but in the end, it is still a pig. So first start to be truthful then present your argument. If you change the ethnic kelel into a truly democratic federal system that is fine, but if you want to keep your Ethnic system as a federal system, Amharas where ever they live should have equal rights as everybody else to have representation in the administration they happen to live. What we have now is an apartheid system that victimizes Amharas for being who they are. No Amhara force anyone to be an Orthodox, but they have the right to exercise their religion as they see fit. You portray Amharas as the strawman to scare off others. At the very end, Oromuma is swallowing other Ethiopian nationalities, sniffing out all democratic rights from everybody -. - so the alliance came naturally -- the alliance between the oppressed.
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 08 Apr 2023, 08:17
by banebris2013
Noble Amhara wrote: ↑07 Apr 2023, 21:32
Banabris Amharaphobe
Amhara have no problem with Agew people as seen in Waghemra and Awi the only problem is in Qemant which was caused by Tigrains in Gondar that started conflict in 2019.
In alliance I believe the Afar are closest to us Amharas than anyone else as we share same struggle in Ethiopia but there is no true political alliance only mutual respect this is why no Amhara has been in conflict with afar
As for Wollo (South Wollo and north Wollo) are Bete Amhara and have no inspiration to seperate from Amhara the Wolloyes have seen their relatives get displaced and genocided out of your barbaric Oromia now they can share the news with Wolloye Amharas about their genocide. The only ones who seek to seperate are Oromos who migrated from Borana but even they do not have clear agenda other than being in conflict with Amharas and Afars
In benishangul the Kamashi and Berta ethnics are not respected by Oromo because they mind their own business.. so only Gumuz terrorists were favourited by welegas to commit genocide not only on Amhara but on Agew and Shinasha in Metekel thus the Agew Awi were victims of Amhara Genocide in Benishangul so they were added to the Amhara Liyu and Amhara struggle
I like how amharaphobes completly reject the fact that Amharas stood out for agews of Waghemra and Awi they have their own zones and are given attention to by Amhara activists as they are our own people but you reject that cause you don't like that you want to divide us abysinnians because you are jealous that we are not tribalists like your folks most tribal sicknesses have been imported into our Abysinnia by communists like you
Noble Amhara,
I do not mind being called "Amharaphobic"as long as my message is fact based or a possibility. What you say about Amhara does not match the fact on the ground. It seems that you are in denial. All i said is Amhara should think twice when they are destroying the bridges that connect them to their neighbors. As usual you are still talking about the genocide created by those Amhara elites who use Amhara death for enriching themselves through gofundme. You can be one of them. as you always claim this.
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 08 Apr 2023, 19:45
by banebris2013
TGAA wrote: ↑07 Apr 2023, 23:01
You have a twisted understanding of Amharas. Amharas don't want to dominate anyone at all. Amharas were the ones who dismantled their own dominant system to open up opportunity and equality to others. That is the history of Amharas. You bring this fake accusation that Amharas want to dismantle the federal system.
Is there a federal system in Ethiopia? or purposely you are confusing the ethnic system as a federal system, or you don't have a clue what a democratic federal system is? You are painting this "ethnic pig" a lipstick but in the end, it is still a pig. So first start to be truthful then present your argument. If you change the ethnic kelel into a truly democratic federal system that is fine, but if you want to keep your Ethnic system as a federal system, Amharas where ever they live should have equal rights as everybody else to have representation in the administration they happen to live. What we have now is an apartheid system that victimizes Amharas for being who they are. No Amhara force anyone to be an Orthodox, but they have the right to exercise their religion as they see fit. You portray Amharas as the strawman to scare off others. At the very end, Oromuma is swallowing other Ethiopian nationalities, sniffing out all democratic rights from everybody -. - so the alliance came naturally -- the alliance between the oppressed.
TGAA,
Yes there is federalism in Ethiopia. It is ethnics based federalism. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, federalism is mode of political organization that unites separate states or other polities within an overarching political system in a way that allows each to maintain its own integrity. The current system is not perfect, but it has answered a lot of questions that has been raised by nations and nationalities. Leaving the politics aside, if it is implemented properly the current system can benefit Ethiopia. One of the major changes made through ethnic federalism is that nation and nationalities got the opportunity to use and develop their own language and culture, which was not the case during Derg and The kings.
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 08 Apr 2023, 21:52
by TGAA
One to be factual there are 10 kelils and there are 80 something Ethnic groups... Why we don't have 80 instade of 10. Is that some are more equal than others dynamics at work? Since the federal system is old and you can examin each of the federal systems around the world,the Democratic ones, give me one federal system where you lose your citizenship rights within your country because you reside in area or part of the country you don't belong Ethnically ? None, sure except the Neanderthal ethnic federalism of Ethiopia.
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 09 Apr 2023, 06:14
by banebris2013
TGAA wrote: ↑08 Apr 2023, 21:52
One to be factual there are 10 kelils and there are 80 something Ethnic groups... Why we don't have 80 instade of 10. Is that some are more equal than others dynamics at work? Since the federal system is old and you can examine each of the federal systems around the world,the Democratic ones, give me one federal system where you
lose your citizenship rights within your country because you reside in area or part of the country you don't belong Ethnically ? None, sure except the Neanderthal ethnic federalism of Ethiopia.
TGAA,
Theoretically there should have been 80 regions as you said. But the politicians who gave us the constitution after the fall of Derg, made it in such away that relatively underdeveloped or not yet ready to be region were incorporated together. Since then there were few changes. If you equate refusal of entry to to lose of citizenship, that is Amhara politics and you can deal with that. As i said the current system is not perfect and there is a lot of room for improvement. But dismantling it and replacing it with unitary system can be a big ask. For your federal reference, just read Germen federalism. Read about UK government system and why England, Wales and Scotland are different states. All three are ethnically different with different language and even culture. Politics is messy and that is what Ethiopia is dealing with at the moment.
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 09 Apr 2023, 19:27
by TGAA
Friend, you over genralize and stereotype and then brashe it off as if you answered the question. Are we Ethiopans or not? Is Ethiopia a federation or a confederation? Are you saying Ethiopian Ethnic federation is in anyway remotely comparative to those country you mentioned. What privilege the wales lose when the decided to live in Scotland and vis versa. The only issu is federalism can't be called federalism unless it is democratized. The usual straw man argument you employed is a fake argument no one is in need of unitary state but a democratized state. Simply speaking represantatin of all interests of the 80 something people. As you indecated in the beginning of your response that is not what is happening. The 10 are the one deciding for 80 in the federal one is deciding for 80 before weysnnes now oromumas.
Re: Can Amhara Form Alliance with anyone?
Posted: 09 Apr 2023, 19:27
by TGAA
Friend, you over genralize and stereotype and then brashe it off as if you answered the question. Are we Ethiopans or not? Is Ethiopia a federation or a confederation? Are you saying Ethiopian Ethnic federation is in anyway remotely comparative to those country you mentioned. What privilege the wales lose when the decided to live in Scotland and vis versa. The only issu is federalism can't be called federalism unless it is democratized. The usual straw man argument you employed is a fake argument no one is in need of unitary state but a democratized state. Simply speaking represantatin of all interests of the 80 something people. As you indecated in the beginning of your response that is not what is happening. The 10 are the one deciding for 80 in the federal one is deciding for 80 before weysnnes now oromumas.