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Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Cigar » 12 Mar 2023, 17:20

Facts and logic matter.
I seen too many forum members debating and try to convince themselves that their language was the first to be come after geez.

1st the Ethiopians can’t say that because if one invents something they invent what they use. Not what they can’t pronounce and use.
Amharic alphabets are verbatim copied from Eritrean tigrigna (if you see their alphabet list they are exactly as Eritrean tigrigna), even though there are 5 or so Eritrean alphabets which the Amharic or Ethiopians can’t pronounce and completely they don’t use, while the the Eritreans use all those alphabets which are in Amharic and tigrigna lists.
So, that is the fact and logic that Eritrean language came first and then copied by the agames and Ethiopians and with no shame they still have those alphabets in their list. I mean, why not even delete them and then debate your crap?
2nd it is laughable to say that the tegarus tigrigna even is a language for it is a mixture of Eritrean tigrigna with lots of twists, Amharic, Agew and god knows what else.
Logic dictates that the Americans don’t know what injera is and thus have no word for it.
Then how on earth does one invent something which they have no clue what it is or how to even pronounce it or use it?
Eritrean tigrigna is also the richest language in the world.
For example in Amharic Uncles and aunties from both side of the parents have the same pronoun like in English. In Eritrean tigrigna they are specific to which side of your parents they came from.
Then you got the plural of women, men or a mix of men and women identifiers. In Amharic you say ENESU to all the males, females, or mixed. In Eritrean tigrigna again it is pin point.
When an Amharic speakers says that my uncle or auntie came to visit us today, how the fu’ck do you know which uncle or auntie that is for you call both sides the same.
I mean why the fu’ck don’t you call your brothers and sister or parents with the same pronoun then?
Man, all of you who are debating with the creation or richness of the languages, needs to freaking stop it.
I speak 7 languages out of which 5 of them with their written form.
And believe me the is no language which is as rich as Eritrean tigrigna. Russian language comes second.
Stick to the facts and logic and stop your freaking none sense debate.

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Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Noble Amhara » 12 Mar 2023, 17:29

The Fidel come from Sabeans of Yemen (Queen Shebas people) not Eritrea

For words like grandma which there are 2 we see no value in having 2 separate words for it or family titles... we can say ayate zenash ayate ababa we prefer it that way

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Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Abere » 12 Mar 2023, 17:38

cigar,

You just sound as if you were an authority in the field. To prove your claim, cite at least a few scientific publications in the linguistics of East Africa. To be honest, the situation in Eritrea is not any different from Ethiopia , until it was occupied by Italy for certain decades. Since I do not speak Tigrigna I can not validate its effect on the indigenous languages. In some other countries, due to colonial langue's native languages some how were slightly morphed or added new dictionaries. As far as Amharic language is concerned, no body buys your argument. Amharic is a very advanced language and is the oldest, Ethiopic/Amharic alphabets are in fact imitated by Tigringa languages to adapt to some of high pitch words. For instance, Tigrigna adapted Amharic alphabet ቀ and morphed it as in መቐለ, etc.



Cigar wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 17:20
Facts and logic matter.
I seen too many forum members debating and try to convince themselves that their language was the first to be come after geez.

1st the Ethiopians can’t say that because if one invents something they invent what they use. Not what they can’t pronounce and use.
Amharic alphabets are verbatim copied from Eritrean tigrigna (if you see their alphabet list they are exactly as Eritrean tigrigna), even though there are 5 or so Eritrean alphabets which the Amharic or Ethiopians can’t pronounce and completely they don’t use, while the the Eritreans use all those alphabets which are in Amharic and tigrigna lists.
So, that is the fact and logic that Eritrean language came first and then copied by the agames and Ethiopians.
2nd it is laughable to say that the tegarus tigrigna even is a language for it is a mixture of Eritrean tigrigna with lots of twists, Amharic, Agew and god knows what else.
Logic dictates that the Americans don’t know what injera is and thus have no word for it.
Then how on earth does one invent something which they have no clue what it is or how to even pronounce it or use it?
Eritrean tigrigna is also the richest language in the world.
For example in Amharic Uncles and aunties from both side of the parents have the same pronoun like in English. In Eritrean tigrigna they are specific to which side of your parents they came from.
Then you got the plural of women, men or a mix of men and women identifiers. In Amharic you say ENESU to all the males, females, or mixed. In Eritrean tigrigna again it is pin point.
When an Amharic speakers says that my uncle or auntie came to visit us today, how the fu’ck do you know which uncle or auntie that is for you call both sides the same.
I mean why the fu’ck don’t you call your brothers and sister or parents with the same pronoun then?
Man, all of you who are debating with the creation or richness of the languages, needs to freaking stop it.
I speak 7 languages out of which 5 of them with their written form.
And believe me the is no language which is as rich as Eritrean tigrigna. Russian language comes second.
Stick to the facts and logic and stop your freaking none sense debate.

Union

Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Union » 12 Mar 2023, 17:44

Old man cigar got off of his bed today to write his low IQ comment again, hallelujah :lol:

If being old is this stupi'd I dont want to be old. :lol:

Eritrea only 30 something years old, you bi'tch :lol:

And no other Ethiopians speak your language except agames :lol:

Well, tigrigna is 800 years old. Give me any proof it is older? History is here to stay. :lol:

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Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Abere » 12 Mar 2023, 17:52

The worst mistakes of zealot OLF is their failure to adapt Amharic/Ethiopic/ alphabet in their writing like the Tigres morphed Amharic alphabets to adapt the picth of words in Tigrina. Using Amharic Alphabet could have save lots of line or length of texts in Oromigna. Besides, it could have attract many other non-Oromo Ethiopians to read it. No body is now taking interest to read Oromingna in Latin looking XXXOXOXOXXXX

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Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Cigar » 12 Mar 2023, 17:52

Noble Amhara, you said you don’t need specific pronoun when it comes to akist or agot. LOL very weak reasoning. Why don’t you then call your sisters and brothers with the same pronoun as well as your parents. Why do you need dad, mom, sister and brother?
And Abera we have both the K like in the word mekele plus another stronger K as you say Key shibir. So what is your point?
As far as the colonization thing, it didn’t affect our alphabets. Our alphabets were there before Amharic. We might use some Italian, Arabic words but they are weaker than Eritrean tigrigna and have no added value.
We are taking about the purity of the languages, the usage or avoidance of use of certain letters while still believe is yours.
Come on guy, be reasonable and admit it.
Tigrigna is the origin of Amharic. And agamigna was created by mixing Eritrean tigrigna, Ethiopian Amharic, Agew and etc.
Facts.

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Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Abere » 12 Mar 2023, 17:57

Where is the evidence?! Show us. In fact, there is no such thing written in Geez about Tigrigna, but Geez wrote about Amharic which is አም ሃራ (ነጻ ህዝብ) and Hebrew had this name it too. Where is the name Tigre in some of these languages. Tigrigna is a late comer and it is inelastic that is why it did not get large numberof speakers.
Cigar wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 17:52
Tigrigna is the origin of Amharic. And agamigna was created by mixing Eritrean tigrigna, Ethiopian Amharic, Agew and etc.
Facts.

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Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Cigar » 12 Mar 2023, 18:24

I gave you guys the facts and logic.
Let me try it in another way.
There is a belief or a joke which says that snakes had tiny legs but since they stop using it and start crawling they lost their legs. It is kind of adapting to environments.
In Amharic case unlike the snake you still are walking with the legs which you borrowed from Eritrean tigrigna as if you can’t stand with out the 5 Eritrean alphabets.
Tell me why are you still are teaching your kids things they can’t use and why are they listed in alphabetical lists.
Amharic and English are the weakest languages at least out of the 7 languages I speak.
And another stupid guy made his argument that since not to many people certainly Ethiopians don’t speak Eritrean tigrigna, is his idiotic proof that Amharic outdated Eritrean tigrigna.
One thing which relates the Ethiopias and agames is a trait of denial, lie and empty fukerra and pride.
Your both histories are fake.
Yes as the guy called me old [deleted], yes I am old in age but sharp and witnessed lots which most of you didn’t witness and godemet I am as fit as a 4 years old thoroughbred.
Trust me I can break any forum members teeth who dares me in person. Remember I am an Eritrean.
So some of if you need to focus on issues than throwing stones when you lose arguments.
Yes Amharic is very, very, very weak if you compare it with Eritrean language.
Suppose you have a brother to your mom and a brother to your dad, and some one tells you that your uncle died…..got run over by an Indian train hauling 300 cabooses carrying gravel and 2 thousand Indians hitchhiking on top of the gravel. Now unlike in Eritrean tigrigna you will look stupid asking which uncle.
And I can provide you millions of such example.

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Post by Noble Amhara » 12 Mar 2023, 18:28

and who gave birth to Eritrean Tigrinya? None other then Yemeni Sabeans!!!

Today we find Sabeans (their cousins) Rashiada have landed to Eritrea and are now classified as pure semetic tribe of Eritrea






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Post by Cigar » 12 Mar 2023, 18:48

Noble Amhara, do you see what I mean? When you lose an argument just like your agame cousins you jumped to different ethnic group. The Rashaida, Bilen, Kunama. etc have their own languages. We are talking about Amharic, Eritrean tigrigna and agamigna’s origin.
I didn’t research the origin of our other ethnic group.
I am comparing the three languages you guys were discussing in the other post of the other day.
You Ethiopians and agames are the nut cases who believe there is a crap called arc of covenant. You guys are the ones who really believe you defeated Italian fascist so much so you stopped from chasing it out of Eritrea….. a country you still believe was a part of your country.
I mean if a guy came and start raping one of your sisters would you not try to fight the rapist from further raping your other sister or you will let him rape you other sister, daughter and your mom for 50 years?
Sorry I digress. But I can’t help it since you guys are liars, deniers, empty history worshippers.
I am actually opening your eyes to real history, facts for your sake.
Look what false indoctrination got the young snotty agames got them in.
Learn honesty from the proud and honest Eritrean people.
Trust me it will do you good.
Don’t you see what kind of nut cases or liars you all are?

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Re: Eritrean tigrigna first originated from geez and perfected by Eritreans and copied by the agames and Ethiopians.

Post by Union » 12 Mar 2023, 21:26

Exactly, they came from Yemen. Except the dembias
Noble Amhara wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 18:28
and who gave birth to Eritrean Tigrinya? None other then Yemeni Sabeans!!!

Today we find Sabeans (their cousins) Rashiada have landed to Eritrea and are now classified as pure semetic tribe of Eritrea






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Post by Abe Abraham » 12 Mar 2023, 21:50

I have questions on matters of Amharic spelling :

1_What is ዓማርኛ ? Why is ዓማርኛ preferred to ኣማርኛ ?
2_What is wrong with he hu hi ha hé h ho ...le lu li la lé l lo ?



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Post by Abe Abraham » 12 Mar 2023, 22:24

Source: internet


ለኣማርኛው ደግሞ ውሃ ፤ ውሻ ፤ ተኛ ፤ ኣለቀሰ ፤ ተራበ ፤ ጠጣ ፤ ጠቆረ ፤ ወተት ፤ ወዘተ የመሳሰሉትን የኩሽ ቃላት ስለሚጠቀም ኣማርኛ በ13ኛው መክዘ ከሰሜን ወደ ደቡበ ኢት/ያ ኣቅጣጫ በነበረው የኣግኣዝያን (ሳባውያን) ፍልሰት እና በኣንፃሩ ከደቡብ ወደ ሰሜን ኢት/ያ ኣቅጣጫ በነበረው የኩሽ ህዝቦች (ካም) ፍልሰት ምክንያት ደብረ ብርሃን ላይ በተረጋጉ የሳባውያንና ኩሻውያን ጋብቻ ተከትሎ የተፈጠረ ቅይጥ ቋንቋ መሆኑን ፕ/ር ጌታቸው ሃይሌ በግእዝ ከየት ወዴት መጽሃፋቸው ፕ/ር ባየ ይማም ደግሞ በዋዜማ መጽሃፋቸው ገፅ 4 ላይ ጽፈውታል።
ፕ/ር ጌታቸው ሃይሌ ማን ነው ? ፕ/ር ባየ ይማም ማን ነው ?


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