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የባንዲራና የሲኖዶሱ ጉዳይ

ባለፈው(መቸም የኛ ጉዞ ወደ ሁዋላ ሆነ) የአዲስ አበባ መስተዳድር የኦሮሚያን ባንዲራ አፍንጫቹ ላይ ካልቀሰርን ብለው ሲያበቁ ከንቲባ አዳነች አቤቤም አደባባይ ወጥተው " አንድነታችን አንዱ አንዱን እየጨፈለቀ አደለም እናም የኦሮሚያ ባንዲራ አዲሳባ ላይ መሰቀሉ ትክክል ነው " ብለው ሊያሳምኑንና በቋፍ ላይ ያችውን ከተማና ሀገር ለማተራመሰ ሲግተረተሩ ተቃውሞው አየለና በመሬት አንቀጥቅጡ የፌደራል መንግስት ትዛዝ ባንዲራ ቀሳሪዎች ሁሉም ለጊዜው ወደየጓዳቸው ገቡ፤ ቀጠለ አሁን በቅርቡ ባለፈው በዚችው በመዲናችን በአዲስ አበባ ከግማሽ ሚሊየን በላይ በሆነ ገንዘብ ሪዘርቬሽን(ሆቴል) ይዘው/ተይዞላቸው 50 የሚጠጉ ቤ/ክርስቲያን ሰንጣቂዎች ለወራት የኦርቶዶቅስን ቤ/ክ ለመሰንጠቅ ሲዶልቱ ማንም ሳይሰማቸው (ኀኀኀኀ)፤ በዚህም አላበቃም እነዚሁ ሰዎች በኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ በሚሰሩ ባንኮች ከ20 ሚሊየን ገንዘብ በላይ ሲያንቀሳቅሱ አሁንም ኮሽ ሳይልባቸው ፕላናቸውን ጨርሰው ወደ ደቡብ ሄደው ስንጠቃውን መጨረሻ ካደረሱ በኃላና መሬት አንቀጥቅጥ ተቃውሞ ከተጋረጠባቸው በኋላ ያው መሬት አንቀጥቅጥ የፌደራል መንግስት ከተደበቀበት ተነስቶ ያደረገውን/የቻለውን አደረገ/እያደረገ ነው። ይሄ ራሱን የቻለ መሬት አንቀጥቅጥ ጥያቄ የሚያስነሳ ቢሆንም ለጊዜው ጥያቄውን እንዝለለውና ሌላ መቋጫ ወዳጣ ጉዳይ እናምራ:

እረ ለመሆኑ ያ በ18ኛው ፣ በሚኒሊክ ከ/ዘመን ታሪክ ላይ ተቸንክሮ ቆሞ የቀረው(ሌሎችን 'ቆሞ ቀሮች' እያለ የሚሳደብ) ፣ የሚያስተዳድረውን ክልል የደም ምድር ያረገው ሽመልስ አብዲሳን ይሄ መሬት አንቀጥቅጥ የፌደራል መንግስት አፋን መዝጋት እንዴት ተሳነው??
ወይ ክልሉን ማስተዳደር አልቻለ፣ ወይ ማይክ ሲጨብጥ ካፉ የሚወጣው ህዝብ የሚያቀራርብ/የሚያሳምን አይደለ፣ እረ ባካቹ ከሰው ጋር የኖረ/ለመኖር የሚያስብ ሰው ለፕሬዘዳንትነት የኦሮሞ ህዝብ ፈልጎ ማግኘት እንዴት ተሳነው? ይሄን ጠረንገሎ ወይ አያምር ወይ አያፍር ፣ መድረክ ላይማ ሲወጣ ደም ነው እኮ የሚያፈላው ፣ ደም ማፍሰሱንማ ለአንቀጥቅጡ የፌደራል መንግስት መተው ሳይበጅ አይቀርም።
ሌላው ደሞ ይሄ ኬላ ላይ ፖሊስ አቁሞ ወደ አዲስ አበባ አትግቡብኝ የሚባል ፖለቲካ?
Chain of command የሚባል ነገር አለ ፣ አንድ ተራ ወታደር ወይም ፖሊስ ፣እብድ ካልሆነ በስተቀር በራሱ ብድግ ብሎ ምንም የሚፈጽመው ነገር የለም ፣ ይህ ማለት ደግሞ የሆነ ወንበር ላይ ቁጢጥ ብሎ ትዛዝ የሚያወርድ ወይም ተቀብሎ የሚያስተላልፍ የሚታይ ፣ የሚዳሰስ (የሚሰለል) የፖሊስ/የሲቪል ባለስልጣን አለ ማለት ነው፤ይሄንንም የዜጎችን መንገላታትና ስቃይ የፌደራል መንግስት ውስጥ ቁጭ ብሎ እንደ premium soccer enjoy የሚያረግ አለ ማለት ነው! why??እንጂ ለደህንነት አስጊ ነው በሚል ተጓዦችን በሙሉ ማገት ምን ይባላል?

ከላይ የነካካሁቸውንና አገር እንዳትፈርስ ብለን ኪሳችን ያቆየናቸውን ብዙ ጥያቄዎች ይዤ እመለሳለሁ። እስከዚያው ለነዚኞቹ ማብራሪያ ያላቹ ወዲ በሉ።

TheManWhoSawTomorrow

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

There are those who are still resisting to the change and there are those who are readily accepting and propelling forward the change.

In this regard I don't think there is any logical fallacy of the claim of ቆሞ ቀሮች, there are plenty around and the change is unstoppable for now.

In my view it is better to embrace the unstoppable change instead of trying to blame those who are in it already.

ከጊዜ ጋር መጓዝ ያቃታቸዉን ቆሞ ቀሮች ከማለት ሌላ ምን ይገልፃቸዋል?

The other thing is that expecting somebody to simply stand still and be on the receiving end, without any right to self-defense, which is another fallacy of a logic.

Historically, Ethiopia has been a multi-culture society. That is why it has been referred as melting pot or the mosaic in the literature for long. There has never been a dominants culture, but there has been and will be always be a national culture. This is an avoidable and every country has it (it is a must) without this shared national behavior that country does not have a soul, it is dead.

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 09:52

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

Abere wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 14:27

Historically, Ethiopia has been a multi-culture society. That is why it has been referred as melting pot or the mosaic in the literature for long. There has never been a dominants culture, but there has been and will be always be a national culture. This is an avoidable and every country has it (it is a must) without this shared national behavior that country does not have a soul, it is dead.

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 09:52

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

Okay, let's then unplug the socket from Amhara culture which is the "national culture" now, according to your claim, and plug it in the Oromo culture to make the latter the new "national culture", in that case.


The need to have a "national culture" should have been fullfilled in this case too, isn't it?

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 09:52

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

There are those who are still resisting to the change and there are those who are readily accepting and propelling forward the change.

In this regard I don't think there is any logical fallacy of the claim of ቆሞ ቀሮች, there are plenty around and the change is unstoppable for now.

In my view it is better to embrace the unstoppable change instead of trying to blame those who are in it already.

ከጊዜ ጋር መጓዝ ያቃታቸዉን ቆሞ ቀሮች ከማለት ሌላ ምን ይገልፃቸዋል?

The other thing is that expecting somebody to simply stand still and be on the receiving end, without any right to self-defense, which is another fallacy of a logic.

When you going to stop parroting the buffoon Shimales phrases ad nusum? Your foolish attempt to twist the fabric of reality is going to snap back at you with the force that so intense it will be beyond your comprehension .Your greedy attempt to swallow everything on sight has produced intense hate towards anything Oromo just it happened to Tigrayans during weyanne reign..Now you divide in thing no Ethiopian tolerate religion...with tribal politcs and pentecostal resentment..if we live long enough you will see where you going to end up. THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.

TGAA wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 16:16

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 09:52

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

There are those who are still resisting to the change and there are those who are readily accepting and propelling forward the change.

In this regard I don't think there is any logical fallacy of the claim of ቆሞ ቀሮች, there are plenty around and the change is unstoppable for now.

In my view it is better to embrace the unstoppable change instead of trying to blame those who are in it already.

ከጊዜ ጋር መጓዝ ያቃታቸዉን ቆሞ ቀሮች ከማለት ሌላ ምን ይገልፃቸዋል?

The other thing is that expecting somebody to simply stand still and be on the receiving end, without any right to self-defense, which is another fallacy of a logic.

When you going to stop parroting the buffoon Shimales phrases ad nusum? Your foolish attempt to twist the fabric of reality is going to snap back at you with the force that so intense it will be beyond your comprehension .Your greedy attempt to swallow everything on sight has produced intense hate towards anything Oromo just it happened to Tigrayans during weyanne reign..Now you divide in thing no Ethiopian tolerate religion...with tribal politcs and pentecostal resentment..if we live long enough you will see where you going to end up. THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.

ቆሞ ቀሩ ሰከን በል፣ ማዕበሉ ወደ ኋላ የምመለስ አይደለም፣ ሁሉንም እየተናከስክ አትህድ።

በነገራችን ላይ፣ የመግለጫ ጋጋታዉ እንዴት ዋለ ዛሬ?

As I said, national culture is the soul of every country ;and Ethiopia has it. You can not kill a living organism and then give it life. No one can create a national culture, it is born independent of anyone's deliberate intervention. Your rant against Amhara is just an irrational behavior, which now as many call it an instinct Kegna herd.

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 15:23

Okay, let's then unplug the socket from Amhara culture which is the "national culture" now, according to your claim, and plug it in the Oromo culture to make the latter the new "national culture", in that case.


The need to have a "national culture" should have been fullfilled in this case too, isn't it?

Abere wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 14:27

Historically, Ethiopia has been a multi-culture society. That is why it has been referred as melting pot or the mosaic in the literature for long. There has never been a dominants culture, but there has been and will be always be a national culture. This is an avoidable and every country has it (it is a must) without this shared national behavior that country does not have a soul, it is dead.

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 09:52

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

Being multi cultural geographically (as a result of an empire expanding and incorporating other nations and nationalities)and having multiple cultures be synonymous with what the state itself is known for is different. Of course Amara culture and language has been dominant, historically, hence why people for a long time assume being Ethiopian is synonymous with speaking Amharic, wearing a white shamma, being Orthodox, etc. Even when we know at least half the countries Muslim.
Now, this is unavoidable true, at least when initially building a country, I can agree with you on that, but that isn't conducive for maintaining Ethiopia as an united state. It isn't sustainable. Things are changing and are going to have to change.
Those stubborn to change will not be pleased because inherently they see the historically dominant culture as being superior, and others are inferior, along with the fact that they benefit from being members of the culture and group that's been dominant, but regardless of how they view their culture, things will change, whether they cry online or in real life individually or in unison.

That's how TPLF , your god fathers’ begin their journey in Ethiopia ፣multi-culture, federalism, ብሄርብሄረሰቦች...bla bla buls **t until they sucked- in every penny of the nation to themselves and finally we made them choke it off. We got our leson , no more few greedy pretenders going around preaching change but infact are amassing wealth for themselves.

Ethiopians fought and dismantled the TPLF cruel , greedy and ባንዳ system to make Ethiopia for all of its dwellers but there are these greedy የወያኔ ቡችሎች from the get to go and want to grab every little resource the country has to them and themselves only by playing victimhood to everything (what a lazy lousy excuse). We are fighting these groups not the change because we own the change, we brought the change and it is suppose to be for all not few ‘ተረኛ’ -a failed attempt from the start.

DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 09:52

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

There are those who are still resisting to the change and there are those who are readily accepting and propelling forward the change.

In this regard I don't think there is any logical fallacy of the claim of ቆሞ ቀሮች, there are plenty around and the change is unstoppable for now.

In my view it is better to embrace the unstoppable change instead of trying to blame those who are in it already.

ከጊዜ ጋር መጓዝ ያቃታቸዉን ቆሞ ቀሮች ከማለት ሌላ ምን ይገልፃቸዋል?

The other thing is that expecting somebody to simply stand still and be on the receiving end, without any right to self-defense, which is another fallacy of a logic.

ልክ እንደሌሎቹ የኦነግ ልሂቃን፣ አንተም ብዙ የተምታታብህ ነገር አለ። አንደኛ፣ ቋንቋን በጉልበት ልታስፋፋው በፍጹም አትችልም። እንደዛ ባይሆን ኖሮ ዛሬ ሁሉም ኤርትራውያኖች በጣሊያንኛ ብቻ ይግባቡ ነበር። እርግጥ ነው፣ ብዙ በቅኝ የተገዙ ሌላ ሃገሮች የገዥዎቻቸውን ቋንቋ ወርሰዋል። ሆኖም፣ በዚህ የቴክኖሎጂ ዘመንና ጥልቅ የማኅበረሰብ ትስስርና የማንነት መነቃቃት ባለባት የዛሬይቱ ኢትዮዽያ፣ ኦሮምኛን አስገድጄ እጭናለሁ ብለህ ነስር በነስር ብትሆን ደም አንሶህ ሽባ ትሆናለህ እንጂ ምንም አታመጣም። ተማሪ ቤት ውስጥ እንኳን በግድ ብታስተምር፣ ድሮ በፈቃዳቸው ቋንቋውን የምር ለማወቅ ከሚፈልጉት ሰውች ቁጥር ያነሰ ውጤት ነው የምታገኘው።

ሁለተኛ፣ የአማራ ባህልና የአማርኛ ቋንቋ ሁለት የተለያዮ ነገሮች ናቸው፣ በአማርኛ ሁሉ የሚደረገውና የሚተረከው የአማራ ባህል ብቻ መስሎህ ከሆነ፣ በቅናት ብቻ የታወርክ እንከፍ ነህ። ቋንቋ የባልህ አንድ መገለጫ ብቻ እንጂ የባህል ምትክ አይደለም። አይደለም የኢትዮዽያ ህዝቦች ባህል፣ የፈረንጅም ባህል በአማርኛ ውስጥ ሊኖር ይችላል። ስለዚህ አማርኛ ውስጥ የታቀፈው የአማሮች ባህል ብቻ ነው ብለው የሚያስቡት የኦነግ ሸኔ ልሂቃን ምን ያህል እንፉጭና ጠባብ መሆናቸውን ነው የምረዳው። አማርኛን በኦሮምኛ በመተካት የአማራን ባህል ያጠፋዋል ብሎ መቃዠትም ከመጋጋጥና መላላጥ ባሻገር ምንም ሌላ ነገር አያመጣልህም።

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18 Feb 2023, 15:23

Abere wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 14:27

Historically, Ethiopia has been a multi-culture society. That is why it has been referred as melting pot or the mosaic in the literature for long. There has never been a dominants culture, but there has been and will be always be a national culture. This is an avoidable and every country has it (it is a must) without this shared national behavior that country does not have a soul, it is dead.

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18 Feb 2023, 09:52

I think there is something crucial that you are missing or lagging behind to grasp. Ethiopia is being transformed from a setup of a dominant culture to a (truly) multi-culture society.

Okay, let's then unplug the socket from Amhara culture which is the "national culture" now, according to your claim, and plug it in the Oromo culture to make the latter the new "national culture", in that case.


The need to have a "national culture" should have been fullfilled in this case too, isn't it?

ሁለተኛ፣ የአማራ ባህልና የአማርኛ ቋንቋ ሁለት የተለያዮ ነገሮች ናቸው፣ በአማርኛ ሁሉ የሚደረገውና የሚተረከው የአማራ ባህል ብቻ መስሎህ ከሆነ፣ በቅናት ብቻ የታወርክ እንከፍ ነህ.

The Amharic language belongs to the many tradings partners of different tribes in Ethiopia and neighbouring Ethiopia. Its creation was mainly as a trade language to facilitate communication between trading tribes. Professor Larebo, an expert on the issue has written extensively about it.
By the way all this happened long before the Oromos invaded Ethiopia. The oromos are new comers and they have come to the area in 1500s.

ለምን ትንጫጫለችዉ ታዲያ፣ እንቅጩን ከመናገር?

ሁሉንም ትዉጣለህ፣ ሃብቱን ታግበሰብሳለህ (አጠቃለህ ትወስዳለህ)፣ ቋንቋን በጉልበት ሌላዉ ላይ ትጭናለህ ወዘተ፣ ያልተባለዉን ማንበብ፣ የዉሸት ኣዉድማ!

Say it clear and loud and stand for your opinion firmly, if you had one.

With such a claim it is not me who is trying to impose, it is your camp. The only thing I am asking for is being equal for all, if that happens to be a crime, then I stand for it till the end and face the consequences.

It all started when some people of your camp began their journey by declaring አማራ ማለት የኢትዮጵያዊነት ዉሃ ልክ ነዉ

And it remaine the same until today, years later.

የምትንጫጫውም የሚንጫጫብህም አንተው ነህ።

“አማራ ማለት የኢትዮጵያዊነት ዉሃ ልክ ነዉ” የሚለው አንጉልፋቶ ከኦነግ-ሸኔ ያልተሻለ ወስፌ ነው። ሁለቱም የወጡበትን ህዝብ ስለማይወክሉ፣ ለአንደበትህ ወንፊት አስገጥምለትና ህዝብን አትውቀስ።

ሰዎች የትም ይኑሩ የትም፣ በኦሮምኛ ነው መማር ወይንም መገልገል ያለብን ካሉ፣ መብታቸው ነውና ሊጠበቅ ይገባል። በዚህ ዘመን እንዲህ አይነት ጥያቄ የትም ቦታ አቅርበው የተከለከሉ ሰዎች ካሉ ንገረኝ። በግልባጩ ግን በኦሮሞ ሀገር አይደለም በሌላ ቋንቋ አገልግሎት ልታገኝ የዘር ግንድህ ተመዞ ትገደላለህ። ይኸ ማስገደድ ብቻ ሳይሆን አረመኔነት ነውና ጤነኛ ሰው ሁሉ ሊቃወመው ይገባል። እስኪ ከብልፅግናና ከነጃዋር ድርጅት ውጪ ኦሮሞ ክልል ውስጥ ገብቶ የፖለቲካ አቋሙን እንዲያስረዳ የተፈቀለት ማነው? አይደለም የፖለቲካ ቅስቀሳ ልትፈቅዱ ዙሪያውን ኬላውን እንደ ሰሜን ኮርያ ዘግታችሁ፣ ሃገሪቷን የወታደር ቀጠና አስመስላችኋታል። እራስህን እያታለልክ አትኑር። በክፋትና በጥላቻ ሀገር ማስተዳደር አይቻልም። የጊዜ ጉዳይ ብቻ ነው።

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19 Feb 2023, 07:09

ለምን ትንጫጫለችዉ ታዲያ፣ እንቅጩን ከመናገር?

ሁሉንም ትዉጣለህ፣ ሃብቱን ታግበሰብሳለህ (አጠቃለህ ትወስዳለህ)፣ ቋንቋን በጉልበት ሌላዉ ላይ ትጭናለህ ወዘተ፣ ያልተባለዉን ማንበብ፣ የዉሸት ኣዉድማ!

Say it clear and loud and stand for your opinion firmly, if you had one.

With such a claim it is not me who is trying to impose, it is your camp. The only thing I am asking for is being equal for all, if that happens to be a crime, then I stand for it till the end and face the consequences.

It all started when some people of your camp began their journey by declaring አማራ ማለት የኢትዮጵያዊነት ዉሃ ልክ ነዉ

And it remaine the same until today, years later.