"ለማ መገርሳ የኦሮሞ ሸኔ ነው” ለጅማ ከወለጋ ይልቅ ወሎ ይቀርበዋል፡፡ ጅማ እና ወለጋ አብረው መቆም አይችሉ!!" ዐብይ አህመድ WEEY GUUD!!
Posted: 02 Jan 2023, 13:37
"ለማ መገርሳ የኦሮሞ ሸኔ ነው” ለጅማ ከወለጋ ይልቅ ወሎ ይቀርበዋል፡፡ ጅማ እና ወለጋ አብረው መቆም አይችሉ!!" ዐብይ አህመድ WEEY GUUD!!
Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:31Wedi,
This is a proven fact. Lemma is the person who handed over those shinny and deadly weaponry in bulk to OLF when he was a Minister at the Defense Dept. Abiy doesn't have acceptance by the majority of Oromo political parties not because of his stand to support Orommuma but because of their misunderstanding of his tactical Ethiopianism. Now the "Ethiopianist" block seems to be increasingly revoking its support for the wobbling wish -washy man to finally hasten his demise. He seems to be looking to develop a new constituency in the TPLF camp, tho..![]()
When Atse Yohhanes persecuted Muslims in Wello and tried to baptize the Wello Amhara muslims at Boru-meda, those Muslim Wolloyes left Wello en-masse and settled in Jimma and Haraghe, specifically in Gri-QoCher area. You may go to those places and, you will find a huge number of people who claim to have their ancestors came from Wello.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Mikael_of_WolloAbere wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:53የቦሩ ሜዳ እና የዐጼ ዮሀንስ ማጥመቅ እጅግ የተጋነነ ይመስለኛል። እንድሁ ለፓለቲካ ፍጆታ ሲባል ከሚገባው በላይ ተስተጋባ እንጅ አጼ ዮሀንስ የሚወራለትን ያህል አይመስለኝም። አገር ጥሎ እስከመሰደድ የሚያደርስ ሊሆን እይችልም። ስለዚህ የወሎ ሙስሊም ጅማ በአጼ ዮሀንስ ምክንያት በሰፊው ተሰድቷል የሚለው በዚያን ዘመን አንጻር ትክክል ሊሆን አይችልም። በርካታ ወሎየዎች ጅማ ያሉበት ምክንያት ወሎየዎች ሲራራ ነጋደዎች ናቸው። ከጥንት ጀምሮ ንግድ የሚወድ ህዝብ ነው። እንደሚባለው በርካታ ወሎየዎች ከዐረብ ጋር ትሥስር አላቸው። ዐሊ ቤት እና አበይ ቤት የሚባሉ አጠራሮች አሉ - ከአረብ ንግድ ጋር የተገናኙ ናቸው። መሃመዲያዊያን ናቸው ለማለት ነው -ግንዳቸው።
Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:31Wedi,
This is a proven fact. Lemma is the person who handed over those shinny and deadly weaponry in bulk to OLF when he was a Minister at the Defense Dept. Abiy doesn't have acceptance by the majority of Oromo political parties not because of his stand to support Orommuma but because of their misunderstanding of his tactical Ethiopianism. Now the "Ethiopianist" block seems to be increasingly revoking its support for the wobbling wish -washy man to finally hasten his demise. He seems to be looking to develop a new constituency in the TPLF camp, tho..![]()
When Atse Yohhanes persecuted Muslims in Wello and tried to baptize the Wello Amhara muslims at Boru-meda, those Muslim Wolloyes left Wello en-masse and settled in Jimma and Haraghe, specifically in Gri-QoCher area. You may go to those places and, you will find a huge number of people who claim to have their ancestors came from Wello.
Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 15:13https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Mikael_of_WolloAbere wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:53የቦሩ ሜዳ እና የዐጼ ዮሀንስ ማጥመቅ እጅግ የተጋነነ ይመስለኛል። እንድሁ ለፓለቲካ ፍጆታ ሲባል ከሚገባው በላይ ተስተጋባ እንጅ አጼ ዮሀንስ የሚወራለትን ያህል አይመስለኝም። አገር ጥሎ እስከመሰደድ የሚያደርስ ሊሆን እይችልም። ስለዚህ የወሎ ሙስሊም ጅማ በአጼ ዮሀንስ ምክንያት በሰፊው ተሰድቷል የሚለው በዚያን ዘመን አንጻር ትክክል ሊሆን አይችልም። በርካታ ወሎየዎች ጅማ ያሉበት ምክንያት ወሎየዎች ሲራራ ነጋደዎች ናቸው። ከጥንት ጀምሮ ንግድ የሚወድ ህዝብ ነው። እንደሚባለው በርካታ ወሎየዎች ከዐረብ ጋር ትሥስር አላቸው። ዐሊ ቤት እና አበይ ቤት የሚባሉ አጠራሮች አሉ - ከአረብ ንግድ ጋር የተገናኙ ናቸው። መሃመዲያዊያን ናቸው ለማለት ነው -ግንዳቸው።
Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:31Wedi,
This is a proven fact. Lemma is the person who handed over those shinny and deadly weaponry in bulk to OLF when he was a Minister at the Defense Dept. Abiy doesn't have acceptance by the majority of Oromo political parties not because of his stand to support Orommuma but because of their misunderstanding of his tactical Ethiopianism. Now the "Ethiopianist" block seems to be increasingly revoking its support for the wobbling wish -washy man to finally hasten his demise. He seems to be looking to develop a new constituency in the TPLF camp, tho..![]()
When Atse Yohhanes persecuted Muslims in Wello and tried to baptize the Wello Amhara muslims at Boru-meda, those Muslim Wolloyes left Wello en-masse and settled in Jimma and Haraghe, specifically in Gri-QoCher area. You may go to those places and, you will find a huge number of people who claim to have their ancestors came from Wello.
Conversion to Christianity
In the infamous "Council of Boru Meda," Emperor Yohannes forced Mohammed Ali and the Muslim aristocrats of Wollo to convert to Christianity within three months or renounce their positions. "Having concluded that Wollo was worth a mass," Marcus claims, "Mohammad Ali led his people to Christianity." Nevertheless, while some of the leaders of Wollo converted to Christianity, the vast majority of the Muslim populace of Wollo refused to convert and revolted. As a consequence, Atse Yohanne campaigned throghtout Wollo, massacaring thousands of Wollo Muslims to break their resistance. Mohammed Ali was baptized with the name "Mikael" and became a Ras (equivalent to "Duke"). Many Muslims from Wollo left for sanctuary in Metemma, Jimma, and Harar.
Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 15:13https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Mikael_of_WolloAbere wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:53የቦሩ ሜዳ እና የዐጼ ዮሀንስ ማጥመቅ እጅግ የተጋነነ ይመስለኛል። እንድሁ ለፓለቲካ ፍጆታ ሲባል ከሚገባው በላይ ተስተጋባ እንጅ አጼ ዮሀንስ የሚወራለትን ያህል አይመስለኝም። አገር ጥሎ እስከመሰደድ የሚያደርስ ሊሆን እይችልም። ስለዚህ የወሎ ሙስሊም ጅማ በአጼ ዮሀንስ ምክንያት በሰፊው ተሰድቷል የሚለው በዚያን ዘመን አንጻር ትክክል ሊሆን አይችልም። በርካታ ወሎየዎች ጅማ ያሉበት ምክንያት ወሎየዎች ሲራራ ነጋደዎች ናቸው። ከጥንት ጀምሮ ንግድ የሚወድ ህዝብ ነው። እንደሚባለው በርካታ ወሎየዎች ከዐረብ ጋር ትሥስር አላቸው። ዐሊ ቤት እና አበይ ቤት የሚባሉ አጠራሮች አሉ - ከአረብ ንግድ ጋር የተገናኙ ናቸው። መሃመዲያዊያን ናቸው ለማለት ነው -ግንዳቸው።
Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:31Wedi,
This is a proven fact. Lemma is the person who handed over those shinny and deadly weaponry in bulk to OLF when he was a Minister at the Defense Dept. Abiy doesn't have acceptance by the majority of Oromo political parties not because of his stand to support Orommuma but because of their misunderstanding of his tactical Ethiopianism. Now the "Ethiopianist" block seems to be increasingly revoking its support for the wobbling wish -washy man to finally hasten his demise. He seems to be looking to develop a new constituency in the TPLF camp, tho..![]()
When Atse Yohhanes persecuted Muslims in Wello and tried to baptize the Wello Amhara muslims at Boru-meda, those Muslim Wolloyes left Wello en-masse and settled in Jimma and Haraghe, specifically in Gri-QoCher area. You may go to those places and, you will find a huge number of people who claim to have their ancestors came from Wello.
Conversion to Christianity
In the infamous "Council of Boru Meda," Emperor Yohannes forced Mohammed Ali and the Muslim aristocrats of Wollo to convert to Christianity within three months or renounce their positions. "Having concluded that Wollo was worth a mass," Marcus claims, "Mohammad Ali led his people to Christianity." Nevertheless, while some of the leaders of Wollo converted to Christianity, the vast majority of the Muslim populace of Wollo refused to convert and revolted. As a consequence, Atse Yohanne campaigned throghtout Wollo, massacaring thousands of Wollo Muslims to break their resistance. Mohammed Ali was baptized with the name "Mikael" and became a Ras (equivalent to "Duke"). Many Muslims from Wollo left for sanctuary in Metemma, Jimma, and Harar.
Yes, the PM is incrementalistic while the Jawar/Lemma camp wants to drive the Orommuma project at speed of light. Obo lemma had the full intentions to be the PM of the country after the then two years transition had ended, hence the reason why he was against the formation of PP. Alas!!Misraq wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 16:20Cone artist Abiy has run out of lies and manipulations. He is embarrassing himself on the way he manufactures lies and alligations. if Abiy is against Lemma, why he approved and supported lemma on his job for FAO? The fall out between Abiy & Lemma is that Lemma started to work with Jawar & Gerba trying to accelerate project Oromuma. As sleak and devilish Abiy is, he went against them saying that Oromuma project can't go in a speed Jawar & Lemma suggested. He told them that they can lose power. That is their only difference.
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 19:00
Oromummaa project is simply doing what's best for Oromo and Oromia, which inevitably entails Oromo being empowered at the federal level and of course, being the sole rulers of their state, Oromia. This is how we can make up for the decades perhaps even century long time that Oromos were marginalized and their lands development were purposely neglected to keep us Oromo poor, undereducated and so on.
This was the policy of the governments before and must never be tolerated again.
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 19:41Wedi aka tarik aka tog wajale aka judgement day 1234,
Yes Oromo are the sole rulers of Oromia. Hence why the lands named after us. Never said anything about harming minorities in Oromia or that they should be deprived of their rights. But, yes, majority rules, minority rights, is what it is.
The same way a minority would never rule Amara state. Or a minority (irob, afar, saho) would never rule Tigray or Somali or Afar states, respectively.
kibramlak wrote: ↑03 Jan 2023, 01:13Let me leave aside the historical claims of the areas that you claim as Oromia land. Rather, let me point to your own words about "Majority rule" and ask you this:
What does oromuma have to do in Addis Ababa given the fact that oromos are less than 10% and Addis is supposed to have its autonomous administrative system, beside being the capital of the country ?
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 19:41Wedi aka tarik aka tog wajale aka judgement day 1234,
Yes Oromo are the sole rulers of Oromia. Hence why the lands named after us. Never said anything about harming minorities in Oromia or that they should be deprived of their rights. But, yes, majority rules, minority rights, is what it is.
The same way a minority would never rule Amara state. Or a minority (irob, afar, saho) would never rule Tigray or Somali or Afar states, respectively.
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑03 Jan 2023, 15:52kibramlak wrote: ↑03 Jan 2023, 01:13Let me leave aside the historical claims of the areas that you claim as Oromia land. Rather, let me point to your own words about "Majority rule" and ask you this:
What does oromuma have to do in Addis Ababa given the fact that oromos are less than 10% and Addis is supposed to have its autonomous administrative system, beside being the capital of the country ?
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 19:41Wedi aka tarik aka tog wajale aka judgement day 1234,
Yes Oromo are the sole rulers of Oromia. Hence why the lands named after us. Never said anything about harming minorities in Oromia or that they should be deprived of their rights. But, yes, majority rules, minority rights, is what it is.
The same way a minority would never rule Amara state. Or a minority (irob, afar, saho) would never rule Tigray or Somali or Afar states, respectively.
Less than ten percent? That's a lie and you know that. Not saying Oromo are the majority but less than ten percent is a lie dude. Not to mention it's located in the heart of Oromia/center, surrounded almost entirely by Oromia, gets a significant portion of its food and water from Oromia, etc.
Finfinne/Addis Ababa is the capital of Ethiopia and Oromia. We're not asking to deport or marginalize others, we're asking for afaan Oromo to be a working language alongside afaan Amara, among other things.
Instead of having an actual counterargument, all you have is an emotional rant. Interesting indeed, perhaps you want to admit the Oromo demands make sense, since the city is in the heart of their land, among other things.kibramlak wrote: ↑07 Jan 2023, 13:20I was saying this to tplf cadres when they claimed areas which never belonged to "the then tplf administration":
የቆጡን አወርድ ብላ የብብቷን ጣለች
Now, they are cut too short. They learned that the harshest way after they experienced the bitter defeat with a lose of over a million of their side. የኦሮሙማ ጥንቦች በጣም ከማፍላታቸው የተነሳ they are are claiming everything against nature. Karma is a BlTCH you know ?
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑03 Jan 2023, 15:52kibramlak wrote: ↑03 Jan 2023, 01:13Let me leave aside the historical claims of the areas that you claim as Oromia land. Rather, let me point to your own words about "Majority rule" and ask you this:
What does oromuma have to do in Addis Ababa given the fact that oromos are less than 10% and Addis is supposed to have its autonomous administrative system, beside being the capital of the country ?
Sadacha Macca wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 19:41Wedi aka tarik aka tog wajale aka judgement day 1234,
Yes Oromo are the sole rulers of Oromia. Hence why the lands named after us. Never said anything about harming minorities in Oromia or that they should be deprived of their rights. But, yes, majority rules, minority rights, is what it is.
The same way a minority would never rule Amara state. Or a minority (irob, afar, saho) would never rule Tigray or Somali or Afar states, respectively.
Less than ten percent? That's a lie and you know that. Not saying Oromo are the majority but less than ten percent is a lie dude. Not to mention it's located in the heart of Oromia/center, surrounded almost entirely by Oromia, gets a significant portion of its food and water from Oromia, etc.
Finfinne/Addis Ababa is the capital of Ethiopia and Oromia. We're not asking to deport or marginalize others, we're asking for afaan Oromo to be a working language alongside afaan Amara, among other things.
Temt,
Za-Ilmaknun wrote: ↑02 Jan 2023, 14:31Wedi,
This is a proven fact. Lemma is the person who handed over those shinny and deadly weaponry in bulk to OLF when he was a Minister at the Defense Dept. Abiy doesn't have acceptance by the majority of Oromo political parties not because of his stand to support Orommuma but because of their misunderstanding of his tactical Ethiopianism. Now the "Ethiopianist" block seems to be increasingly revoking its support for the wobbling wish -washy man to finally hasten his demise. He seems to be looking to develop a new constituency in the TPLF camp, tho..![]()
When Atse Yohhanes persecuted Muslims in Wello and tried to baptize the Wello Amhara muslims at Boru-meda, those Muslim Wolloyes left Wello en-masse and settled in Jimma and Haraghe, specifically in Gri-QoCher area. You may go to those places and, you will find a huge number of people who claim to have their ancestors came from Wello.
