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What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray government

Post by info » 12 Nov 2022, 17:30

Just after ENDF and TPLF/TDF commanders signed the details of the disarmament of TPLF fighters, the central committee of the TPLF (TPLF CC) released a controversial and for many confusing statement (I'm referring here to the Amharic version (see blow)).

On the one hand the statement reiterates TPLF's support for the peace agreement and its full commitment for the implementation. On the other hand it says that those negotiators in South Africa are not representatives of the TPLF. Further, it says that TPLF (as per constitution) is a political party and has no combatants and fighters and as such the wording in the peace agreement should be corrected.

After listening to the Amharic version repeatedly, my understanding is that TPLF CC is distancing itself from the Tigray regional government that was led by Dr. Debretsion and that sent representatives to South Africa. Negotiators such as general Tsadkan are in fact not members of TPLF but as general Tsadkan himself said part of the Tigray regional government.

TPLF CC is now distancing itself from the regional government that is declared illegal by the federal government and is agreed to be dissolved and replaced by an interim government according to the South Africa agreement. TPLF CC is saying that the agreement was the work of the regional Tigray government and not TPLF and if you blame anything about the contents of it then blame the Tigray government led by Debretsion (which soon be nonexistent).

Furthermore, TPLF CC distances itself from TDF too. It says TDF is not the army of the TPLF as TPLF is a legal party and under the constitution is not allowed to have an army. TPLF abides by the constitution and do not have an army. In this regard what TPLF CC is asking is only for the wording to be corrected and not rejecting the disarmament of TDF. So it is just distancing itself from everything what TDF is and did. It is not rejecting the disarmament of TDF.

It is important to note that TPLF CC did not reject any of the main points of the peace agreement. It did not reject the fact that the regional Tigray government will be dissolved and replaced by an interim government led by the federal government. TPLF CC just made them responsible for the South Africa agreement. It also did not reject the disarmament of TDF. It only is asking the wording to be corrected.

It looks like TPLF CC is throwing both the regional tigray government and TDF under the bus by distancing itself from both and not rejecting their dissolvement/disarmament. Even when asking for the correction of the wording, TPLF insists that it only struggles peacefully.

It seems for me TPLF as a party is preparing itself for post Tigray regional government and post TDF in hopes of continuing to play a main role as a legal political party in Ethiopia under the constitution. For that purpose, it is distancing itself from the two entities that are explicitly called illegally and are agreed to be dissolved according to the peace agreement.

By distancing itself from these two illegal entities and by showing its commitment for the implementation of the agreement, TPLF CC is hoping to play a political role in Tigray as a peaceful and recognized legal political party in the coming years.

Can the TPLF convince Tigreans that it was not the TPLF but the regional government representatives who negotiated the SA peace agreement? This is a hard sell. And also can the TPLF now say, I don't own TDF so if the federal government disarms it then don't blame me? Can it also successfully escape responsibility for the atrocities and human rights violations committed by TDF in Amhara and Afar regions?
This is of course a dubious strategy but it seems this is the strategy TPLF is now looking for the coming years in hopes of escaping accountability while still continuing to play a major role in Tigray politics.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee (TPLF CC) really saying?

Post by eden » 12 Nov 2022, 17:40

Thanks for sharing your perspective but this part is untrue
general Tsadkan himself said part of the Tigray regional government.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee (TPLF CC) really saying?

Post by Abere » 12 Nov 2022, 17:55

It is an obvious outdated game play. The same TPLF is playing a blame game, which is pretentious, so as to create Tigre-Shene which is going to be financed, supported and directed by TPLF that already signed the treaty with PP in South Africa. This is a no brainer. Politics is not a multivariate calculus, especially the one like the Tigre crude and rudimentary level tribal politics. They are faking for they are too much spoiled by PP-OLF.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee (TPLF CC) really saying?

Post by Horus » 12 Nov 2022, 18:02

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray governm

Post by Merhano » 12 Nov 2022, 18:15

I believe what they are trying to say is, TPLF is a political party and should not have an army, and does not have an army in reality. Even though TPLF agrees that it should be disarmed constitutionally, but there is no need to do so in reality as TPLF has no army.

But on the other hand, the Tigrai regional government has the constitutional right and duty to be armed, thus the disarmament treaty does not have any mandate on the armed forces of the local government.

Now the logic is, when all the local governments are armed to the teeth, you cannot single out the Tigrai region only and expect them to be disarmed.

Twisted, but that is the rationale, I think.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray governm

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 12 Nov 2022, 18:18

info, your reading of just what has happened sounds correct. But there is one problem : You assumed, at least it seems to me, the TPLF cc, TDF and the Tigray regional adminstration are different entities. They separately do their own thing. I don't think that is true. Take Debretsion he is the president, but I assume he is also the TPLF cc member. I do not even think anyone works in the regional adminstration unless one is aTPLF member, not necessairly a cc member. That is an exclusive membership ; there are a few of them.
As for TPLF wanting to be a dominant political force in Tigray even in the future , I do not doubt it. But according to the agreement the Ethiopian government will install a new adminstration for a time being. That is a good thing. Tigreans should have a right to choose among differing political alternatives. In the near future TPLF will and should not be a party that governs. After a while if TPLF becomes to be a party of the 21st century, well, Tigreans will notice.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee (TPLF CC) really saying?

Post by info » 12 Nov 2022, 18:22

eden wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 17:40
Thanks for sharing your perspective but this part is untrue
general Tsadkan himself said part of the Tigray regional government.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray governm

Post by Horus » 12 Nov 2022, 18:24

TPLF = GoT = TDF = TSA = ? ? ? Not in Tigray, in Ethiopia one can't have gov. job unless he is PP memeber.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray governm

Post by info » 12 Nov 2022, 18:31

Horus wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 18:24
TPLF = GoT = TDF = TSA = ? ? ? Not in Tigray, in Ethiopia one can't have gov. job unless he is PP memeber.
Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 18:18
info, your reading of just what has happened sounds correct. But there is one problem : You assumed, at least it seems to me, the TPLF cc, TDF and the Tigray regional adminstration are different entities. They separately do their own thing. I don't think that is true. Take Debretsion he is the president, but I assume he is also the TPLF cc member. I do not even think anyone works in the regional adminstration unless one is aTPLF member, not necessairly a cc member. That is an exclusive membership ; there are a few of them.
As for TPLF wanting to be a dominant political force in Tigray even in the future , I do not doubt it. But according to the agreement the Ethiopian government will install a new adminstration for a time being. That is a good thing. Tigreans should have a right to choose among differing political alternatives. In the near future TPLF will and should not be a party that governs. After a while if TPLF becomes to be a party of the 21st century, well, Tigreans will notice.
Horus and Sam, of course we all know TPLF is the creator and main player both in the government of Tigray and TDF. I was not talking about TPLF's role in both the government of Tigray and TDF and that these entities were in fact the tools of TPLF but rather how TPLF is now trying to distance itself from its own created entities indicating that TPLF is prepared to drop both its children and is looking a post TDF and a post Tigray government arrangement in hopes of having a legal role in the future political landscape of Tigray and Ethiopia. The statement of the TPLF CC is hence an official divorce letter and not a rejection of the SA peace agreement as many are suggesting.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray governm

Post by eden » 12 Nov 2022, 19:24

Info,

Allow me to explain where you are wrong and why:
both the government of Tigray and TDF and that these entities were in fact the tools of TPLF
Is the Federal government a tool of PP?

both the government of Tigray and TDF and that these entities were in fact the tools of TPLF
Also you are victim of propaganda so I think you totally miss what TDF is. TDF is not TPLF. TDF has many leaders that are not TPLF members.

Some are former TPLF leaders who left TPLF over differences mainly during the Meles vs. Gebru/ Seye split. Tsadkan is an example.

Others are former TPLF leaders who left so they join ENDF (Army doesn’t allow party membership.) Generals like Migbey are examples

Yet others are lectures/ doctors/ engineers and professionals who never were TPLF. The BBC Journalist is example

Last there are leaders of Tigray based parties with programs that’s dissimilar from that of TPLF. Tigray Independence Party leader Mehari Yohanes is example

I just gave you four non TPLF streams that make up the TDF. TPLF is not the only entity making up TDF.

Clearly, you are heavily influenced by Arat Kilo propaganda to think TDF is TPLF tool. Or you think TPLF is the creator of the world or something lol

info wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 18:22
eden wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 17:40
Thanks for sharing your perspective but this part is untrue
general Tsadkan himself said part of the Tigray regional government.
Here he’s referring to his membership of the Central Command established by the Government of Tigray. GoT brought him from outside for this role.
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Re: What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray governm

Post by eden » 12 Nov 2022, 21:16

By the way, today’s TPLF CC stand kind of came out a week ago but folks like Info are too brainwashed to pay attention:


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Re: What is the TPLF central committee (TPLF CC) really saying?

Post by kibramlak » 12 Nov 2022, 22:40

Excellent observation !
Abiy-Shene drama coaching tplf-shene drama
The play of both sides is clear and well thought : Anti Amhara !
Abere wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 17:55
It is an obvious outdated game play. The same TPLF is playing a blame game, which is pretentious, so as to create Tigre-Shene which is going to be financed, supported and directed by TPLF that already signed the treaty with PP in South Africa. This is a no brainer. Politics is not a multivariate calculus, especially the one like the Tigre crude and rudimentary level tribal politics. They are faking for they are too much spoiled by PP-OLF.

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Re: What is the TPLF central committee really saying? It's not a rejection of SA but a divorce from TDF & Tigray governm

Post by info » 13 Nov 2022, 09:02

After TPLF distanced itself from TDF, it has now (I think for the first time) started reporting about the disarmament of TDF. The report makes sure that the disarmament agreement was signed by TDF leaders themselves and not by TPLF party. So, it’s TDF that agreed and signed the disarmament of TDF.

Accordingly, the blame for the South African peace deal in which Tigray government will be dissolved goes directly to the Tigray government itself and the blame for disarming of TDF goes to TDF itself. TPLF is saying I’m out of this mess, you both agreed to destroy yourselves :lol:

Indeed, TPLF is preparing itself for a post-TDF future in which it’s no longer considering a terrorist organization but a legal peaceful party. TPLF is practically sending a farewell message saying bye bye TDF, bye bye Tigray regional government, RIP.


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