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Would TDF generals and TPLF leaders have agreed to a complete surrender and disarmament if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? General Tsadkan is not TPLF but TDF and was in the peace meetings. He knows the capacity of TDF more than any diaspora. The same goes to General Tadesse Werede who had a phone call with Chief of Staff Berhanu Jula and the 40 or so TDF commanders who will be in Nairobi tomorrow to facilitate the disarmament process. These people commanded TDF and are also experienced and know the current capacity and logistics etc. of TDF and the capacity and firepower of the "enemy".

Again, do the diaspora Tigreans think these commanders and generals would have agreed to a complete surrender if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? By peaceful means or otherwise, TDF will be disarmed. I understand this is hard to sallow but that is the nature of war. When you start a war there is a 50% chance you may lose and a loser army will normally be disarmed. That is not new! Demanding the loser army (TDF) to have its weapons in tact is delusional and won't gonna happen.

የሕወሓት ትጥቅ መፍታት ጉዳይ በአቶ ሬድዋን ሑሴን ሲብራራ TPLF Disarmament from the horse's mouth

sarcasm wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 19:07

Nice try Edu as usual you are taking pieces out of context to make a point. Typical
Here are the facts what Redwan said:
- He said "we have agreed on total disarmament"
- He and the agreement talks about heavy and light weapon disarmament
- TPLF will hand over heavy weapons to ENDF as no political party or region should be in possession of these weapons
- Light weapons too will be collected and a reasonable amount will stay in Tigray and will be handed over to the transitional government

Why are light weapons collected? Because there is no regional government in Tigray that can currently posses them legally and no political party is allowed to own weapons. That is the reason behind why light weapons too will be collected. Some of them will then be handed over to the transitional government but until then and as there is currently no government, light weapons will be collected by ENDF.

temari wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 19:41

sarcasm wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 19:07

Nice try Edu as usual you are taking pieces out of context to make a point. Typical
Here are the facts what Redwan said:
- He said "we have agreed on total disarmament"
- He and the agreement talks about heavy and light weapon disarmament
- TPLF will hand over heavy weapons to ENDF as no political party or region should be in possession of these weapons
- Light weapons too will be collected and a reasonable amount will stay in Tigray and will be handed over to the transitional government

Why are light weapons collected? Because there is no regional government in Tigray that can currently posses them legally and no political party is allowed to own weapons. That is the reason behind why light weapons too will be collected. Some of them will then be handed over to the transitional government but until then and as there is currently no government, light weapons will be collected by ENDF.

Are you privy to the discussions?

If not, then you cannot make up tasks according to how you want them to happen. We can only use publicly available information. I am quoting Redwan, and you are authoring processes according to what you wish to happen.

sarcasm wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:39

temari wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 19:41

sarcasm wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 19:07

Nice try Edu as usual you are taking pieces out of context to make a point. Typical
Here are the facts what Redwan said:
- He said "we have agreed on total disarmament"
- He and the agreement talks about heavy and light weapon disarmament
- TPLF will hand over heavy weapons to ENDF as no political party or region should be in possession of these weapons
- Light weapons too will be collected and a reasonable amount will stay in Tigray and will be handed over to the transitional government

Why are light weapons collected? Because there is no regional government in Tigray that can currently posses them legally and no political party is allowed to own weapons. That is the reason behind why light weapons too will be collected. Some of them will then be handed over to the transitional government but until then and as there is currently no government, light weapons will be collected by ENDF.

Are you privy to the discussions?

If not, then you cannot make up tasks according to how you want them to happen. We can only use publicly available information. I am quoting Redwan, and you are authoring processes according to what you wish to happen.

I gave you the link to where Redwan explained how both heavy and light weapons are collected. Watch it. He talks about how political parties like TPLF can’t possess both heavy and light weapons. He talks about how light weapons are collected and later some portion of them will be handed over to the transitional government as there is no government in Tigray. He also said no region is allowed to possess heavy weapons.

Redwan said Tigray region will be allowed Liyu force just like the other regions. Then who is being disarmed? Funny, right?

temari wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 18:30

Would TDF generals and TPLF leaders have agreed to a complete surrender and disarmament if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? General Tsadkan is not TPLF but TDF and was in the peace meetings. He knows the capacity of TDF more than any diaspora. The same goes to General Tadesse Werede who had a phone call with Chief of Staff Berhanu Jula and the 40 or so TDF commanders who will be in Nairobi tomorrow to facilitate the disarmament process. These people commanded TDF and are also experienced and know the current capacity and logistics etc. of TDF and the capacity and firepower of the "enemy".

Again, do the diaspora Tigreans think these commanders and generals would have agreed to a complete surrender if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? By peaceful means or otherwise, TDF will be disarmed. I understand this is hard to sallow but that is the nature of war. When you start a war there is a 50% chance you may lose and a loser army will normally be disarmed. That is not new! Demanding the loser army (TDF) to have its weapons in tact is delusional and won't gonna happen.

How dare you call your own mother country who has been feeding you Milk and Honey as an enemy?

Educator wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:45

Redwan said Tigray region will be allowed Liyu force just like the other regions. Then who is being disarmed? Funny, right?

It seems that Tigray Defense Force will be rebranded as Tigray Special Force. That's all.

sun wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:51

temari wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 18:30

Would TDF generals and TPLF leaders have agreed to a complete surrender and disarmament if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? General Tsadkan is not TPLF but TDF and was in the peace meetings. He knows the capacity of TDF more than any diaspora. The same goes to General Tadesse Werede who had a phone call with Chief of Staff Berhanu Jula and the 40 or so TDF commanders who will be in Nairobi tomorrow to facilitate the disarmament process. These people commanded TDF and are also experienced and know the current capacity and logistics etc. of TDF and the capacity and firepower of the "enemy".

Again, do the diaspora Tigreans think these commanders and generals would have agreed to a complete surrender if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? By peaceful means or otherwise, TDF will be disarmed. I understand this is hard to sallow but that is the nature of war. When you start a war there is a 50% chance you may lose and a loser army will normally be disarmed. That is not new! Demanding the loser army (TDF) to have its weapons in tact is delusional and won't gonna happen.

How dare you call your own mother country who has been feeding you Milk and Honey as an enemy?

It looks like you don’t know how to read. I’m talking from the prospective of TPLF and to indicate that’s not my term, I put it in a quotation, i.e. I’m quoting TPLF. Please learn how to read before accusing me.

Educator wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:45

Redwan said Tigray region will be allowed Liyu force just like the other regions. Then who is being disarmed? Funny, right?

አውቆ የተኛ ቢቀሰቅሱ አይሰማም

What do you mean by Tigray region? There is no regional government in Tigray right now and only regional governments have the right to possess light weapons.

That’s why light weapons will now be collected until a transitional government is set up in Tigray which is lead by the federal government. Only then will Tigray region i.e. the traditional government gets some of the light weapons according to its population size.

Tigray region will never get the heavy weaponry though as no region is allowed to possess heavy weaponry.

አውቃችሁ ተኝታችሁ አታድርቁኝ

Yes, that is face saving for Mamo Killo. And his wutaf nekais are to naive or too brainwashed to understand it.

sarcasm wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 21:17

Educator wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:45

Redwan said Tigray region will be allowed Liyu force just like the other regions. Then who is being disarmed? Funny, right?

It seems that Tigray Defense Force will be rebranded as Tigray Special Force. That's all.

If there is no Tigray regional government, Woyane, then who did you negotiate with and implement the agreement you reached in SA?

temari wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 22:12

Educator wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:45

Redwan said Tigray region will be allowed Liyu force just like the other regions. Then who is being disarmed? Funny, right?

አውቆ የተኛ ቢቀሰቅሱ አይሰማም

What do you mean by Tigray region? There is no regional government in Tigray right now and only regional governments have the right to possess light weapons.

That’s why light weapons will now be collected until a transitional government is set up in Tigray which is lead by the federal government. Only then will Tigray region i.e. the traditional government gets some of the light weapons according to its population size.

Tigray region will never get the heavy weaponry though as no region is allowed to possess heavy weaponry.

አውቃችሁ ተኝታችሁ አታድርቁኝ

Educator wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:45

Redwan said Tigray region will be allowed Liyu force just like the other regions. Then who is being disarmed? Funny, right?

Not funny really.
From owning tanks, missiles, rockets, mortars, anti-aircraft, BMs and so to holding just a light gun like any other Liyu Hail Kilil’s is really the worst defeat you can have. Moreover, Weyane still remains blocked in all exit routes because the Federal forces will be in charge of the international borders AND all Tigrean airports; thus, smuggling weapons is no longer an option going forward either.

Educator wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 22:42

If there is no Tigray regional government, Woyane, then who did you negotiate with and implement the agreement you reached in SA?

temari wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 22:12

Educator wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 20:45

Redwan said Tigray region will be allowed Liyu force just like the other regions. Then who is being disarmed? Funny, right?

አውቆ የተኛ ቢቀሰቅሱ አይሰማም

What do you mean by Tigray region? There is no regional government in Tigray right now and only regional governments have the right to possess light weapons.

That’s why light weapons will now be collected until a transitional government is set up in Tigray which is lead by the federal government. Only then will Tigray region i.e. the traditional government gets some of the light weapons according to its population size.

Tigray region will never get the heavy weaponry though as no region is allowed to possess heavy weaponry.

አውቃችሁ ተኝታችሁ አታድርቁኝ

TPLF! TPLF as a political party is accused of establishing an illegal army (TDF) and an illegal government by holding illegal election. As both its army and its government are illegal, they both will dissolved.

TPLF as a political party, which according to the document, is not allowed to possess any weapons and which has agreed that the so called Tigray election was illegal and hence the current Tigray government will be dissolved and replaced by an interim government lead by the federal government.

Since there is no legal government in Tigray all light weapons will be collected UNTIL the transitional government is established. The transitional government has the authority to establish regional Liyu Hail just like any other region. Some of the collected light weapons will then be handed over to the transitional government according to the size of the population just like any other regional government.

Heavy weapons of course will stay in the hands of ENDF. No regional government is allowed to possess such weapons.

Temari is all over the place to defend the indefensible. Assumption and hypothetically views aside, we all know the TPLF control the Tigrai killil administration now illegally and tomorrow legally. The military wing is saved with heavy degradation, so it will survive. Yesterday as TDF and tomorrow as Liyu Haile. Coming up the TPLF will come deliberately as two entities: one as a peace partner to PP (a political wing) and the other anti peace (as a military wing). Secretly the military wing will work with Liyu Haile to regroup for two long term objectives: power in central Ethiopia or creating a strong autonomous republic in Tigrai.
A difficult task with a diminished population and no economy at all. But a nuisance and a challenge for Ethiopia.

Time will tell how this thing will
plays out. For now, Abiye reduced the threat coming from the TPLF. Just for the time being.

A huge opportunity to destroy the TPLF and the chronically sick leaders was missed. Those leaders and recruites definitely will come back, with a different strategy.

This is more than anything a weak leadership of the Abiye regime. They allowed the pattern to continue. For now expect the OLF and soon the Somalis to keep the PP government busy. The US and Egypt has a hand in all this.

በህገመንግስቱ የማያምን ወሮበላ: በሁለት ህገመንግስት ተከታይ አካላት የሚደረግን ድርድር አስተርጓሚ ሆኖ እራሱን ከሾመ: ቀላባጅ እብድ አማራ ነው ብለን እንተወዋለን!!

ይልቁንስ በህገመንግስቱ ከማያምን ክልል፣ ህገ መንግስቱ አይወክለኝም ከሚል ህዝብ ተነስቶ፣ ምክትል ጠቅላይ ሚኒስቴር ሆኖ የdrone ባለቤት ለመሆን አንድ ተሰባሪ ህይወት ብቻ የቀረው የስልጣን ተራከብ በአፋጣኝ ሊታረም የሚገባ የፌደራሊስት ሀይሎች ታላቅ እራስ ምታት ነው!!

ጓድ ደመቀ ስራ በዝቶባቸዋል!!

temari wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2022, 18:30

Would TDF generals and TPLF leaders have agreed to a complete surrender and disarmament if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? General Tsadkan is not TPLF but TDF and was in the peace meetings. He knows the capacity of TDF more than any diaspora. The same goes to General Tadesse Werede who had a phone call with Chief of Staff Berhanu Jula and the 40 or so TDF commanders who will be in Nairobi tomorrow to facilitate the disarmament process. These people commanded TDF and are also experienced and know the current capacity and logistics etc. of TDF and the capacity and firepower of the "enemy".

Again, do the diaspora Tigreans think these commanders and generals would have agreed to a complete surrender if they saw the slightest chance to avoid it? By peaceful means or otherwise, TDF will be disarmed. I understand this is hard to sallow but that is the nature of war. When you start a war there is a 50% chance you may lose and a loser army will normally be disarmed. That is not new! Demanding the loser army (TDF) to have its weapons in tact is delusional and won't gonna happen.