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Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Axumezana » 06 Nov 2022, 14:38

- Dismantling constitution - Failed
- ህፅቦ- Failed
- Dismantling TPLF - failed
- Dismantling TIgray - failed - constitional order agreed
- Destroying Tigray economy - temporary success
- Gonocide on Tigray - yes
- Creating enmity between Tigray and Amharas - Yes
- Destroying EPRDF and installing new government - failed , EPRDF 2 is in power
- Becoming the Emperor Youhannes V of the Horn - failed
- Improving global image leveraging on Ethiopia - failed

More than anything,
Abiy has already agreed to separate himself from any external force or proxy against TPLF and soon Isaias has to pack out of Ethiopia

Isaias did not achieve any strategic gain and is soon going to graveyard as a failed man!
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Facts
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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Facts » 06 Nov 2022, 15:27

Let’s keep it simple…

Who’s crying? Axumezana and Getachew

Who’s laughing? PIA

:lol: :lol:

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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by temari » 06 Nov 2022, 17:23

Axumezana wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 14:38
- Dismantling constitution - Failed
- ህፅቦ- Failed
- Dismantling TPLF - failed
- Dismantling TIgray - failed - constitional order agreed
- Destroying Tigray economy - temporary success
- Gonocide on Tigray - yes
- Creating enmity between Tigray and Amharas - Yes
- Destroying EPRDF and installing new government - failed , EPRDF 2 is in power
- Becoming the Emperor Youhannes V of the Horn - failed
- Improving global image leveraging on Ethiopia - failed

More than anything,
Abiy has already agreed to separate himself from any external force or proxy against TPLF and soon Isaias has to pack out of Ethiopia

Isaias did not achieve any strategic gain and is soon going to graveyard as a failed man!
Honestly, PIA is a long term strategists while TPLF is a short term ጉረኛ. There is big difference between the two. Remember after the Badme war how every Ethiopian was very mad at PIA for allegedly invading Ethiopian Territory? PIA had almost zero influence in Ethiopia while all Ethiopians were behind TPLF but he took a long term approach and slowly exploited the failures of TPLF which alienated every sector of the society because TPLF in its short sighted world was arrogant and stubborn refusing any meaningful reforms.

And PIA smartly exploited this TPLF arrogance and worked with all opposition groups including popular opposition medias such as ESAT and completely changed his and Eritrea's image in Ethiopia from the #1 enemy of Ethiopia to the #1 friend of Ethiopia. This is an achievement which needs long term strategy and a slowly but steady progress. At the end, majority of Ethiopians have become so convinced that the number 1 enemy is TPLF not PIA or Eritrea.

The Nov. 2020 massacre on the northern command and how PIA stood by Ethiopia's side and the two year long war afterwards only confirmed for Ethiopians who is the friend and who is the enemy. During the badme war, TPLF fought Eritrea using all Ethiopian manpower and resources. Now it is the opposite. All Ethiopian resources and manpower and the Eritrean military combined fought TPLF and forced it to a complete surrender.

PIA waited until the right time before taking back Badme by force. He could have started a bloody and costly war long time ago but he patiently waited until TPLF is absolutely isolated and alone. That is a long term strategists. TPLF would send millions of tigrean youth just to score some points as it did the last 2 years but PIA waited at the right time and got it with little lose and premaritally.

If TPLF was smart, it could have tried to beat PM Abiy from with in PP using a long term strategy such as isolating him from all sectors of the society and when he is alone and isolated, it could strike. But its arrogance and short sightedness didn't allow for TPLF to wait and instead it ended up fighting PM Abiy with all of Ethiopia and Eritrea behind him. This is a stupid suicide if you ask me.

Love him or hate him, you have to admire that PIA is a skilled long term strategist which is absolutely lucking from TPLF that is filled with arrogance and short term ጉራ.

You want to assess the success of Isaias in "his gamble on Ethiopia"? He had only one aim, i.e. to destroy TPLF and he achieved it 100%. I know you think TPLF still exists but in my view TPLF doesn't exist anymore. He even achieved more than that, a soon to be demarcated border and a long term friendly relations with Ethiopia which could pave the way to a long term economic partnership. That is impressive my dear!

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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Axumezana » 06 Nov 2022, 18:00

At what cost did Isaias reached here so far?
- Holding Eritreans as a hostage for two decades and destroying the economy and social structure of Eriteria.
- He made Eritrea empty of young generation which will have strategic impact for so many years to come
- So many Eritreans killed during migration out of Eriteria
- Thousands died in the Tigray war
- He instilled long term enmity between Tigray and Eritrea
- Currently Eriteria is too weak to defend joint action by Tigray and Ethiopia to get access to Red Sea.
- Wasted billions of dollars from mining, all his life and brain power following foolish, destructive and stubornic strategies
- He could have got Badme 20 years ago on the negotiation table with PM Meles but refused.
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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Fiyameta » 06 Nov 2022, 18:04



Diaspora junta destroying their own cars :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:










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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Zmeselo » 06 Nov 2022, 18:31

temari wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 17:23
Axumezana wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 14:38
- Dismantling constitution - Failed
- ህፅቦ- Failed
- Dismantling TPLF - failed
- Dismantling TIgray - failed - constitional order agreed
- Destroying Tigray economy - temporary success
- Gonocide on Tigray - yes
- Creating enmity between Tigray and Amharas - Yes
- Destroying EPRDF and installing new government - failed , EPRDF 2 is in power
- Becoming the Emperor Youhannes V of the Horn - failed
- Improving global image leveraging on Ethiopia - failed

More than anything,
Abiy has already agreed to separate himself from any external force or proxy against TPLF and soon Isaias has to pack out of Ethiopia

Isaias did not achieve any strategic gain and is soon going to graveyard as a failed man!
Honestly, PIA is a long term strategists while TPLF is a short term ጉረኛ. There is big difference between the two. Remember after the Badme war how every Ethiopian was very mad at PIA for allegedly invading Ethiopian Territory? PIA had almost zero influence in Ethiopia while all Ethiopians were behind TPLF but he took a long term approach and slowly exploited the failures of TPLF which alienated every sector of the society because TPLF in its short sighted world was arrogant and stubborn refusing any meaningful reforms.

And PIA smartly exploited this TPLF arrogance and worked with all opposition groups including popular opposition medias such as ESAT and completely changed his and Eritrea's image in Ethiopia from the #1 enemy of Ethiopia to the #1 friend of Ethiopia. This is an achievement which needs long term strategy and a slowly but steady progress. At the end, majority of Ethiopians have become so convinced that the number 1 enemy is TPLF not PIA or Eritrea.

The Nov. 2020 massacre on the northern command and how PIA stood by Ethiopia's side and the two year long war afterwards only confirmed for Ethiopians who is the friend and who is the enemy. During the badme war, TPLF fought Eritrea using all Ethiopian manpower and resources. Now it is the opposite. All Ethiopian resources and manpower and the Eritrean military combined fought TPLF and forced it to a complete surrender.

PIA waited until the right time before taking back Badme by force. He could have started a bloody and costly war long time ago but he patiently waited until TPLF is absolutely isolated and alone. That is a long term strategists. TPLF would send millions of tigrean youth just to score some points as it did the last 2 years but PIA waited at the right time and got it with little lose and premaritally.

If TPLF was smart, it could have tried to beat PM Abiy from with in PP using a long term strategy such as isolating him from all sectors of the society and when he is alone and isolated, it could strike. But its arrogance and short sightedness didn't allow for TPLF to wait and instead it ended up fighting PM Abiy with all of Ethiopia and Eritrea behind him. This is a stupid suicide if you ask me.

Love him or hate him, you have to admire that PIA is a skilled long term strategist which is absolutely lucking from TPLF that is filled with arrogance and short term ጉራ.

You want to assess the success of Isaias in "his gamble on Ethiopia"? He had only one aim, i.e. to destroy TPLF and he achieved it 100%. I know you think TPLF still exists but in my view TPLF doesn't exist anymore. He even achieved more than that, a soon to be demarcated border and a long term friendly relations with Ethiopia which could pave the way to a long term economic partnership. That is impressive my dear!
Well said! It's exactly, so!

Can you please say something too, about the madness of uncle Sam putting all his eggs in the tplf basket & consequently forever losing the love, loyalty & admiration of a huge section of the Ethiopian society?

What kind of idiotic long strategy is that? :lol:

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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Jaegol » 06 Nov 2022, 18:44

The good won against the evil. Tplfs grand goal was to destroy Ethiopia and Eritrea to form its dream talakua Tigray and Issu goal was to save both countries and free them from the evil agenda of tplf and Egypt… the good won 👏👍👏👍🇪🇹🇪🇷🇸🇴👍👏
temari wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 17:23
Axumezana wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 14:38
- Dismantling constitution - Failed
- ህፅቦ- Failed
- Dismantling TPLF - failed
- Dismantling TIgray - failed - constitional order agreed
- Destroying Tigray economy - temporary success
- Gonocide on Tigray - yes
- Creating enmity between Tigray and Amharas - Yes
- Destroying EPRDF and installing new government - failed , EPRDF 2 is in power
- Becoming the Emperor Youhannes V of the Horn - failed
- Improving global image leveraging on Ethiopia - failed

More than anything,
Abiy has already agreed to separate himself from any external force or proxy against TPLF and soon Isaias has to pack out of Ethiopia

Isaias did not achieve any strategic gain and is soon going to graveyard as a failed man!
Honestly, PIA is a long term strategists while TPLF is a short term ጉረኛ. There is big difference between the two. Remember after the Badme war how every Ethiopian was very mad at PIA for allegedly invading Ethiopian Territory? PIA had almost zero influence in Ethiopia while all Ethiopians were behind TPLF but he took a long term approach and slowly exploited the failures of TPLF which alienated every sector of the society because TPLF in its short sighted world was arrogant and stubborn refusing any meaningful reforms.

And PIA smartly exploited this TPLF arrogance and worked with all opposition groups including popular opposition medias such as ESAT and completely changed his and Eritrea's image in Ethiopia from the #1 enemy of Ethiopia to the #1 friend of Ethiopia. This is an achievement which needs long term strategy and a slowly but steady progress. At the end, majority of Ethiopians have become so convinced that the number 1 enemy is TPLF not PIA or Eritrea.

The Nov. 2020 massacre on the northern command and how PIA stood by Ethiopia's side and the two year long war afterwards only confirmed for Ethiopians who is the friend and who is the enemy. During the badme war, TPLF fought Eritrea using all Ethiopian manpower and resources. Now it is the opposite. All Ethiopian resources and manpower and the Eritrean military combined fought TPLF and forced it to a complete surrender.

PIA waited until the right time before taking back Badme by force. He could have started a bloody and costly war long time ago but he patiently waited until TPLF is absolutely isolated and alone. That is a long term strategists. TPLF would send millions of tigrean youth just to score some points as it did the last 2 years but PIA waited at the right time and got it with little lose and premaritally.

If TPLF was smart, it could have tried to beat PM Abiy from with in PP using a long term strategy such as isolating him from all sectors of the society and when he is alone and isolated, it could strike. But its arrogance and short sightedness didn't allow for TPLF to wait and instead it ended up fighting PM Abiy with all of Ethiopia and Eritrea behind him. This is a stupid suicide if you ask me.

Love him or hate him, you have to admire that PIA is a skilled long term strategist which is absolutely lucking from TPLF that is filled with arrogance and short term ጉራ.

You want to assess the success of Isaias in "his gamble on Ethiopia"? He had only one aim, i.e. to destroy TPLF and he achieved it 100%. I know you think TPLF still exists but in my view TPLF doesn't exist anymore. He even achieved more than that, a soon to be demarcated border and a long term friendly relations with Ethiopia which could pave the way to a long term economic partnership. That is impressive my dear!

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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Cartmann » 06 Nov 2022, 18:51

ርእሲ ሓምሓም፣ ንስኻ እኳ ንትግራይ ተሰኪሙ ክሳብ ዘግዕዛ ዝርድኣካ ኣይመስልን እዩ።

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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Axumezana » 10 Nov 2022, 08:10

Axumezana wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 14:38
- Dismantling constitution - Failed
- ህፅቦ- Failed
- Dismantling TPLF - failed
- Dismantling TIgray - failed - constitional order agreed
- Destroying Tigray economy - temporary success
- Gonocide on Tigray - yes
- Creating enmity between Tigray and Amharas - Yes
- Destroying EPRDF and installing new government - failed , EPRDF 2 is in power
- Becoming the Emperor Youhannes V of the Horn - failed
- Improving global image leveraging on Ethiopia - failed

More than anything,
Abiy has already agreed to separate himself from any external force or proxy against TPLF and soon Isaias has to pack out of Ethiopia

Isaias did not achieve any strategic gain and is soon going to graveyard as a failed man!

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Re: Assessing the success of Isaias in his gamble on Ethiopia!

Post by Joseantoni0 » 10 Nov 2022, 14:35

temari wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 17:23
Axumezana wrote:
06 Nov 2022, 14:38
- Dismantling constitution - Failed
- ህፅቦ- Failed
- Dismantling TPLF - failed
- Dismantling TIgray - failed - constitional order agreed
- Destroying Tigray economy - temporary success
- Gonocide on Tigray - yes
- Creating enmity between Tigray and Amharas - Yes
- Destroying EPRDF and installing new government - failed , EPRDF 2 is in power
- Becoming the Emperor Youhannes V of the Horn - failed
- Improving global image leveraging on Ethiopia - failed

More than anything,
Abiy has already agreed to separate himself from any external force or proxy against TPLF and soon Isaias has to pack out of Ethiopia

Isaias did not achieve any strategic gain and is soon going to graveyard as a failed man!
Honestly, PIA is a long term strategists while TPLF is a short term ጉረኛ. There is big difference between the two. Remember after the Badme war how every Ethiopian was very mad at PIA for allegedly invading Ethiopian Territory? PIA had almost zero influence in Ethiopia while all Ethiopians were behind TPLF but he took a long term approach and slowly exploited the failures of TPLF which alienated every sector of the society because TPLF in its short sighted world was arrogant and stubborn refusing any meaningful reforms.

And PIA smartly exploited this TPLF arrogance and worked with all opposition groups including popular opposition medias such as ESAT and completely changed his and Eritrea's image in Ethiopia from the #1 enemy of Ethiopia to the #1 friend of Ethiopia. This is an achievement which needs long term strategy and a slowly but steady progress. At the end, majority of Ethiopians have become so convinced that the number 1 enemy is TPLF not PIA or Eritrea.

The Nov. 2020 massacre on the northern command and how PIA stood by Ethiopia's side and the two year long war afterwards only confirmed for Ethiopians who is the friend and who is the enemy. During the badme war, TPLF fought Eritrea using all Ethiopian manpower and resources. Now it is the opposite. All Ethiopian resources and manpower and the Eritrean military combined fought TPLF and forced it to a complete surrender.

PIA waited until the right time before taking back Badme by force. He could have started a bloody and costly war long time ago but he patiently waited until TPLF is absolutely isolated and alone. That is a long term strategists. TPLF would send millions of tigrean youth just to score some points as it did the last 2 years but PIA waited at the right time and got it with little lose and premaritally.

If TPLF was smart, it could have tried to beat PM Abiy from with in PP using a long term strategy such as isolating him from all sectors of the society and when he is alone and isolated, it could strike. But its arrogance and short sightedness didn't allow for TPLF to wait and instead it ended up fighting PM Abiy with all of Ethiopia and Eritrea behind him. This is a stupid suicide if you ask me.

Love him or hate him, you have to admire that PIA is a skilled long term strategist which is absolutely lucking from TPLF that is filled with arrogance and short term ጉራ.

You want to assess the success of Isaias in "his gamble on Ethiopia"? He had only one aim, i.e. to destroy TPLF and he achieved it 100%. I know you think TPLF still exists but in my view TPLF doesn't exist anymore. He even achieved more than that, a soon to be demarcated border and a long term friendly relations with Ethiopia which could pave the way to a long term economic partnership. That is impressive my dear!

Excellent analysis. Historical and quite intelligent. The primary cause of the defeat of the TPLF was its own dangerous Stupidity!!

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