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Abere wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 16:39

In my opinion there are few things:

1) How soon will TPLF fall? Does the fall of መቀሌ enough to assuredly claim Woyane is dead or it is cleansed from every single Tigre mind, atleast in Tigray province.

2) Is it even imaginable for the existing PP party to quit its legacy of putting Tigray-Prosperity party as interim leadership of Tigray? This is unthinkable, the PP-OLF party to allow Tigray governed by an independent effective body. The end goal is to have a cloned Tigregna speaking PP party. The cycle will continues - since the government is ethnic based then Tigray people will continue to be Woyane, because it is national norm.

3) The goal of this war is to replace TPLF/EPRDF with another OLF/EPRDF mode of governance. If the goal were not this, there would have a willingness and readiness to talk about change of constitution, ethnic/federal system, autonomy of Addis Ababa city.

___As far as my observation is concerned, there is a huge mismatch between the actions of the Abiy Ahmed government and the expectation of the naïve public.

___ To be honest, if Abiy Ahmed's government had shown a political position that tribal federalism would be dismantled/changed and citizens are guaranteed to live and work every where in the country with equal right, the Tigray people would have changed their hearts and fight TPLF( because they know this to be an only fate).

Misraq wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 17:07

Yes Shire is more important than Mekelle. Mekelle will be given to the new province of Enderta. Tembein will be given to Agew Wag Himra zone (the rightful owners) and Raya entirely goes to Amhara.

Eritrea will be given Adigrat and Axum while Amhara takes Shire and Dedebit.

Halafi Mitri will be a proud citizen of Agew Wag Himra.

Thomas the Adwa biach will live in the occupied territories of Shira and Adwa.

Eden is Eritrean so no change there

Axumzena will be a proud Endertan and he will enjoy his new state with the capital Mekelle

That is a fair deal.

Abere wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 16:39

In my opinion there are few things:

1) How soon will TPLF fall? Does the fall of መቀሌ enough to assuredly claim Woyane is dead or it is cleansed from every single Tigre at least in Tigray province.

2) Is it even imaginable for the existing PP party to quit its legacy of putting Tigray-Prosperity party as interim leadership of Tigray? This is unthinkable, the PP-OLF party to allow Tigray governed by an independent effective body. The end goal is to have a cloned Tigregna speaking party. The cycle will continues - since the government is ethnic based then Tigray people will continue to be Woyane.

3) The goal of this war is to replace TPLF/EPRDF with another OLF/EPRDF mode of governance. If the goal were not this, there would have a willingness and readiness to talk about change of constitution, ethnic/federal system, autonomy of Addis Ababa city.

___As far as my observation is concerned there is a huge mismatch between the actions of the Abiy Ahmed government is doing and the expectation of the naïve public.

___ To be honest, if Abiy Ahmed's government had shown a political position that tribal federalism would dismantled/changed and citizens are guaranteed to live and work every where in the country with equal right, the Tigray people would have changed their hearts and fight TPLF( because they know this to be an only fate).

euroland wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 21:31

When the TPLF coward leaders flee Mekele upon the arrival of the Ethiopian/Eritrean forces, the war will end and their forces have no choice but to surrender. It like Mengstu and his Derg soldiers. Once the Derg officers and soldiers found out their leader had fled, they had no choice but to surrender. The first big mistake Abiy had made in the first war when Eritrean/Ethiopian forces captured Mekele was, behind President Issaya’s back, he negotiated the scape route for Weyane leaders with CIA; thus, every one of them scape through an official road that was going through a liberated towns and villages. President Issays has had a bad taste since on this backstabbing that is now causing thousands of the Afar and Amaras lives due to that betrayal. This time, whether Abiy wants it or not, the Eritrean generals are calling the shot this time and will decide the fate of the Weyane leaders in Mekele and in other hideouts.

Abere wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 16:39

In my opinion there are few things:

1) How soon will TPLF fall? Does the fall of መቀሌ enough to assuredly claim Woyane is dead or it is cleansed from every single Tigre at least in Tigray province.

2) Is it even imaginable for the existing PP party to quit its legacy of putting Tigray-Prosperity party as interim leadership of Tigray? This is unthinkable, the PP-OLF party to allow Tigray governed by an independent effective body. The end goal is to have a cloned Tigregna speaking party. The cycle will continues - since the government is ethnic based then Tigray people will continue to be Woyane.

3) The goal of this war is to replace TPLF/EPRDF with another OLF/EPRDF mode of governance. If the goal were not this, there would have a willingness and readiness to talk about change of constitution, ethnic/federal system, autonomy of Addis Ababa city.

___As far as my observation is concerned there is a huge mismatch between the actions of the Abiy Ahmed government is doing and the expectation of the naïve public.

___ To be honest, if Abiy Ahmed's government had shown a political position that tribal federalism would dismantled/changed and citizens are guaranteed to live and work every where in the country with equal right, the Tigray people would have changed their hearts and fight TPLF( because they know this to be an only fate).

Noble Amhara wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 16:48

Abere

Do you know Shire is more relevant then Mekele?

That means PP will never be able to establish their own party in Tigray so much of your fears and aspirations are wrong. We do not need to control all of Tigray we will treat Tigray like a cake and take a slice and leave them with (Enderta Agame Tembien Wejerat Maichew)

For example shire, enda aba Guna used to be Falasha (Beta Israel) so it belongs to Gondar/begmender

Abere wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 10:47

In terms of what is sustainable, feasible and historically acceptable and binding, what we know and recognize is the pre-TPLF Tigray province. Thus, what Amhara has been fighting for was TPLF and Woyane to leave out of Raya ( Korem, Almata, Waja,) and Humera-Welqait. There is no more or less demand. Every single Tigre should accept and live by this indelible legacy. Amhara should not take away land from Tigre, but Amhara may occupy temporarily to ensure its full security. For instance, Amhara Force can act as an interim leadership of the area, in stead of OLF hijacked ENDF. Amhara should not repeat the mistakes TPLF done in Humera and Raya. Note: I am not saying Fano should quit and give it away to Tigray-PP or ENDF, that is so foolish. They come in the name of peace and eat you up. That is what they did to Zemene Kassie, they begged him in the name of brotherhood and peace, he took a peace pilgrimage to Bahir Dar, in the end the coward arrested him. No same mistake now, regarding the overtake of Mekelle.

Noble Amhara wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 16:48

Abere

Do you know Shire is more relevant then Mekele?

That means PP will never be able to establish their own party in Tigray so much of your fears and aspirations are wrong. We do not need to control all of Tigray we will treat Tigray like a cake and take a slice and leave them with (Enderta Agame Tembien Wejerat Maichew)

For example shire, enda aba Guna used to be Falasha (Beta Israel) so it belongs to Gondar/begmender

This sounds more like Junta PP or Junta TPLF idea This is very unhealthy. I am wondering any Amhara thinks even like this. The rational question and its legit answer is Amhara ensured all its historical lands that belonged to Wollo and Gondar. All pre-TPLF Amhara province lands should be returned to Amhara. Other than that is a very STUPID aspiration, it is irrational. Amhara people wants permanent peace and thinks rational, Amhara has never been aggressor in history. The ultimate goal is about restoring the indivisible, non-ethnocentric, and historical Ethiopia. Anything short of it is foolish. Forceful military taking over does not mean governing. To govern there has to be peace, budget, and law. Anything out of these is called rebel leadership.

Noble Amhara wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:00

kkkkkkk

"Temporarily occupy" is most stupid idea ever. This is junta idea

And peaceful pilgrimage to bahir dar yeah right Zemene should have known his enemies

Amhara doesn't like this "withdrawl" game it has to end so there is no point of wasting our manpower in Tigray Proper.

Abere wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 10:47

In terms of what is sustainable, feasible and historically acceptable and binding, what we know and recognize is the pre-TPLF Tigray province. Thus, what Amhara has been fighting for was TPLF and Woyane to leave out of Raya ( Korem, Almata, Waja,) and Humera-Welqait. There is no more or less demand. Every single Tigre should accept and live by this indelible legacy. Amhara should not take away land from Tigre, but Amhara may occupy temporarily to ensure its full security. For instance, Amhara Force can act as an interim leadership of the area, in stead of OLF hijacked ENDF. Amhara should not repeat the mistakes TPLF done in Humera and Raya. Note: I am not saying Fano should quit and give it away to Tigray-PP or ENDF, that is so foolish. They come in the name of peace and eat you up. That is what they did to Zemene Kassie, they begged him in the name of brotherhood and peace, he took a peace pilgrimage to Bahir Dar, in the end the coward arrested him. No same mistake now, regarding the overtake of Mekelle.

Noble Amhara wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022, 16:48

Abere

Do you know Shire is more relevant then Mekele?

That means PP will never be able to establish their own party in Tigray so much of your fears and aspirations are wrong. We do not need to control all of Tigray we will treat Tigray like a cake and take a slice and leave them with (Enderta Agame Tembien Wejerat Maichew)

For example shire, enda aba Guna used to be Falasha (Beta Israel) so it belongs to Gondar/begmender