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[DefendTheTruth]

ዛሬ ደግሞ DR ብርሃኑ ሳይመረጥ ስልጣን ያዛ አለ።

ይህ ሰዉ እንድህ ዉዳቅ መሃይም መሆኑን አላዉቅም ነበር። Get life, idiot!

[Union]

አዎ መሀይም ነው ግን ትክክል እኮ ነው ያለው። ብርሀኑ ህዝብ በምርጫ አንቅሮ የተፍው ሰው ነው። ምኑጋ ነው ውሸቱ

ዛሬ ደግሞ DR ብርሃኑ ሳይመረጥ ስልጣን ያዛ አለ።

ይህ ሰዉ እንድህ ዉዳቅ መሃይም መሆኑን አላዉቅም ነበር። Get life, idiot!

[Abere]

መራራ ጉዲና እና ህዝቅዔል ጋቢሳን ጨምርበት።

[Horus]

ዛሬ ደግሞ DR ብርሃኑ ሳይመረጥ ስልጣን ያዛ አለ።

ይህ ሰዉ እንድህ ዉዳቅ መሃይም መሆኑን አላዉቅም ነበር። Get life, idiot!

DTT
አይምሰልህ! ኢሌክተድ ኦፊሻልና አፖይንተድ ኦፊሻል መሃል ልዩነቱ ሳይገባው ቀርቶ ሳይሆን ብርሃኑ ፈተና መስረቅና ዲፕሎማ መግዛት አስቁሞ በቁቤ የዶነቆሩት ያራርሳ ጉዶች ሊያጋልጥ ስለሚችል የፍርሃት መግለጫ ነው ። እርግጥ እዚህ ያለው ዩኒየን የሚባለው የትግሬ ደንቆሮ ልዩነቱን ያውቃል ማለት ዘበት ነው

[EthioRedSea]

ዛሬ ደግሞ DR ብርሃኑ ሳይመረጥ ስልጣን ያዛ አለ።

ይህ ሰዉ እንድህ ዉዳቅ መሃይም መሆኑን አላዉቅም ነበር። Get life, idiot!

Could be! Most Oromo are uneducated.

[DefendTheTruth]

ዛሬ ደግሞ DR ብርሃኑ ሳይመረጥ ስልጣን ያዛ አለ።

ይህ ሰዉ እንድህ ዉዳቅ መሃይም መሆኑን አላዉቅም ነበር። Get life, idiot!

DTT
አይምሰልህ! ኢሌክተድ ኦፊሻልና አፖይንተድ ኦፊሻል መሃል ልዩነቱ ሳይገባው ቀርቶ ሳይሆን ብርሃኑ ፈተና መስረቅና ዲፕሎማ መግዛት አስቁሞ በቁቤ የዶነቆሩት ያራርሳ ጉዶች ሊያጋልጥ ስለሚችል የፍርሃት መግለጫ ነው ። እርግጥ እዚህ ያለው ዩኒየን የሚባለው የትግሬ ደንቆሮ ልዩነቱን ያውቃል ማለት ዘበት ነው

Horus,
As far as I can say there is no requirement for a member of the cabinet, the executive branch, to have also been elected to the legislative branch of the government (the parliament) first.

Membership to the parliamnet requieres having been elected by the people (as a representative of the respective constituency). Membership to the cabinet doesn't require that. The chief executive of government can even propose a government of technocrats and the parliament can endorse this.

I think Prof. Berhanu's appointment has been endorsed by the elected representatives of the people.

If there is something I am missing, please enlighten me here.

My comment has nothing to do with if Prof. Berhanu is a qualified or unqualified minister, it's more of about the procedure itself.

I am not sure if the current or any former members of the US cabinet have also been duly elected by the respective constituencies, or even are members of the party in power. I think to have heard about a member of a cabinet, who is not even a member of the governing party.

Abere,

Okay, I will consider about adding them, but what about those who are party members during the day and political activists in the night?

[Abere]

Great! Please do that from now. Do the same for those other illiterates who are die-hard tribalists, fan of tribal federation , fan of illegal-constitution, and actors of ethnic cleansing.

Abere,

Okay, I will consider about adding them, but what about those who are party members during the day and political activists in the night?

[Sam Ebalalehu]

I agree with DTT. In fact to unquote our late prime minister, Meles, you can’t appoint a minister of Education just because he is an EPDRF member. He should have been in school for nearly two decades. Berhanu fit the bill.

[Abdisa]

[Za-Ilmaknun]

https://www.idea.int/sites/default/file ... lature.pdf

In parliamentary systems derived from the British ‘Westminster
model’, found in many countries with a history of British colonialism, it is
standard practice for Ministers to be chosen from among the members of
parliament (MPs). The Cabinet is therefore ‘a committee of the legislative
body selected to be the executive body’ ; it is an executive
committee of the legislature. The prime minister chooses the ministers—
but he or she can only choose them from a select group of senior MPs
among the majority party or coalition.
In Britain, this remains a matter of political convention, as there is
no written constitution—although it is a convention that has been
consistently honoured. Other countries that use the Westminster model
have been more prescriptive, including the rule that ministers must in
normal circumstances be MPs in their written constitutions:

• The Constitution of Australia (S.64) states that ‘…no Minister
of State shall hold office for a longer period than three months
unless he is or becomes a senator or a member of the House of
Representatives.’

• The Constitution Act of New Zealand states that ‘A person may
be appointed and may hold office as a member of the Executive
Council or as a Minister of the Crown only if that person is a
member of Parliament

What does the Ethiopian Constitution say about such appointments?

[DefendTheTruth]

Great! Please do that from now. Do the same for those other illiterates who are die-hard tribalists, fan of tribal federation , fan of illegal-constitution, and actors of ethnic cleansing.

Abere,

Okay, I will consider about adding them, but what about those who are party members during the day and political activists in the night?

According to eden of this forum Yohanis Boayalew was explicitly named as a politician during the day and an activist during the night. In that case I am going to call him also a መሃይም and those who are clapping their hands for him idiots. A good enough deal?

[DefendTheTruth]

https://www.idea.int/sites/default/file ... lature.pdf

In parliamentary systems derived from the British ‘Westminster
model’, found in many countries with a history of British colonialism, it is
standard practice for Ministers to be chosen from among the members of
parliament (MPs). The Cabinet is therefore ‘a committee of the legislative
body selected to be the executive body’ ; it is an executive
committee of the legislature. The prime minister chooses the ministers—
but he or she can only choose them from a select group of senior MPs
among the majority party or coalition.
In Britain, this remains a matter of political convention, as there is
no written constitution—although it is a convention that has been
consistently honoured. Other countries that use the Westminster model
have been more prescriptive, including the rule that ministers must in
normal circumstances be MPs in their written constitutions:

• The Constitution of Australia (S.64) states that ‘…no Minister
of State shall hold office for a longer period than three months
unless he is or becomes a senator or a member of the House of
Representatives.’

• The Constitution Act of New Zealand states that ‘A person may
be appointed and may hold office as a member of the Executive
Council or as a Minister of the Crown only if that person is a
member of Parliament

What does the Ethiopian Constitution say about such appointments?

Well, for sure I know Ethiopia has never been colonized by Great Britain and I am not sure in how much the system of Government and Government making process has been borrowed from "Westminister model".

Italy has also a parliamentary system of government, just as an example, and still can make a technocratic government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocra ... nt_(Italy)

I don't think PM Abiy is the first in the country to have proposed a member of his cabinet from outside of his own party. Ato Hailemariam Desalegn had also some cabinet members from outside of the EPRDF, if I remember correctly.

At the end of the day these are endorsed by the parliament itself, so there shouldn't be any legitimacy question here.


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[DefendTheTruth]

ዛሬ ደግሞ DR ብርሃኑ ሳይመረጥ ስልጣን ያዛ አለ።

ይህ ሰዉ እንድህ ዉዳቅ መሃይም መሆኑን አላዉቅም ነበር። Get life, idiot!

Could be! Most Oromo are uneducated.

Why did you decide to remove your message? I think to have read something like Tsegaye Ararsa is one of the most talented /educated person in your unedited post, isn't it?

In that case your editting killed your talalaki Tsegaye Ararsa more than what I claimed here.

[Za-Ilmaknun]

https://www.idea.int/sites/default/file ... lature.pdf

In parliamentary systems derived from the British ‘Westminster
model’, found in many countries with a history of British colonialism, it is
standard practice for Ministers to be chosen from among the members of
parliament (MPs). The Cabinet is therefore ‘a committee of the legislative
body selected to be the executive body’ ; it is an executive
committee of the legislature. The prime minister chooses the ministers—
but he or she can only choose them from a select group of senior MPs
among the majority party or coalition.
In Britain, this remains a matter of political convention, as there is
no written constitution—although it is a convention that has been
consistently honoured. Other countries that use the Westminster model
have been more prescriptive, including the rule that ministers must in
normal circumstances be MPs in their written constitutions:

• The Constitution of Australia (S.64) states that ‘…no Minister
of State shall hold office for a longer period than three months
unless he is or becomes a senator or a member of the House of
Representatives.’

• The Constitution Act of New Zealand states that ‘A person may
be appointed and may hold office as a member of the Executive
Council or as a Minister of the Crown only if that person is a
member of Parliament

What does the Ethiopian Constitution say about such appointments?

Well, for sure I know Ethiopia has never been colonized by Great Britain and I am not sure in how much the system of Government and Government making process has been borrowed from "Westminister model".

Italy has also a parliamentary system of government, just as an example, and still can make a technocratic government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocra ... nt_(Italy)

I don't think PM Abiy is the first in the country to have proposed a member of his cabinet from outside of his own party. Ato Hailemariam Desalegn had also some cabinet members from outside of the EPRDF, if I remember correctly.

At the end of the day these are endorsed by the parliament itself, so there shouldn't be any legitimacy question here.


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In Italy, a technocratic government, technical government (Italian: governo tecnico) or government of technicians (Italian: governo dei tecnici), describes a government consisting of a non-political[1] body, usually supported by the political forces and functioning in the situations of emergency (especially in particular political or economical circumstances), when the party system does not have success in embodying a completely functional cabinet. When this happens, there is a need to form a Government consisting of people with Expert skills, with no connection to those political forces[2] and the goal to handle the emergency situation by overcoming the idleness of the political parties in the parliament.

That is the kind of Gov't suggested by Balderas before the country was so mismanaged by deluded power mongers. You need to understand the difference between how the Oromo administration is trying to function and the Italian example.

Obviously, ethnically blinded people never would accept political science or History and the evolution of governing. Mr. Ararsa is talking about the systems of Gov't the Ethiopian Gov't is declaring to be operating by and their divergence from the norm. You don't have to call your kin names because he isn't in agreement with the way the current Oromo Gov't is operating. It has nothing to do with Professor Berhanu, who is way qualified than the whole ministers combined, leaving aside his political views, which we all are free to support or oppose.

[DefendTheTruth]

In Italy, a technocratic government, technical government (Italian: governo tecnico) or government of technicians (Italian: governo dei tecnici), describes a government consisting of a non-political[1] body, usually supported by the political forces and functioning in the situations of emergency (especially in particular political or economical circumstances), when the party system does not have success in embodying a completely functional cabinet. When this happens, there is a need to form a Government consisting of people with Expert skills, with no connection to those political forces[2] and the goal to handle the emergency situation by overcoming the idleness of the political parties in the parliament.

That is the kind of Gov't suggested by Balderas before the country was so mismanaged by deluded power mongers. You need to understand the difference between how the Oromo administration is trying to function and the Italian example.

Obviously, ethnically blinded people never would accept political science or History and the evolution of governing. Mr. Ararsa is talking about the systems of Gov't the Ethiopian Gov't is declaring to be operating by and their divergence from the norm. You don't have to call your kin names because he isn't in agreement with the way the current Oromo Gov't is operating. It has nothing to do with Professor Berhanu, who is way qualified than the whole ministers combined, leaving aside his political views, which we all are free to support or oppose.

Well,

it seems that you are just good at copy and paste, without trying to grasp the idea behind something.

If Italy used the idea for emergency rule or something similar or different, then that doesen't automatically mean also others are using the idea for the same goal, unless explicitly said somewhere.

I just provided you with an example and then you jumped at equating the example with the case in Ethiopia.

Try to research and find out the idea behind what has been said.

Even the woyane guy, EthioRedSea?, immediately removed his post, after I argued that there is no need for a minister to be member of the parliament, not only in Ethiopia, but also elsewhere.

Here read the meaning understand:

Election of the head of government
Implementations of the parliamentary system can also differ as to how the prime minister and government are appointed and whether the government needs the explicit approval of the parliament, rather than just the absence of its disapproval. Some countries such as India also require the prime minister to be a member of the legislature, though in other countries this only exists as a convention.

The head of state appoints a prime minister who will likely have majority support in parliament. While in practice most prime ministers under the Westminster system (including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom) are the leaders of the largest party in parliament, technically the appointment of the prime minister is a prerogative exercised by the monarch, the governor-general, or the president.
The head of state appoints a prime minister who must gain a vote of confidence within a set time. Examples: Italy, Thailand.
The head of state appoints the leader of the political party holding a plurality of seats in parliament as prime minister. For example, in Greece, if no party has a majority, the leader of the party with a plurality of seats is given an exploratory mandate to receive the confidence of the parliament within three days. If this is not possible, then the leader of the party with the second-highest seat number is given the exploratory mandate. If this fails, then the leader of the third-largest party is given it, and so on.
The head of state nominates a candidate for prime minister who is then submitted to parliament for approval before appointment. Example: Spain, where the King sends a proposal to the Congress of Deputies for approval. Also, Germany where under the German Basic Law (constitution) the Bundestag votes on a candidate nominated by the federal president. In these cases,[citation needed] parliament can choose another candidate who then would be appointed by the head of state.
Parliament nominates a candidate whom the head of state is constitutionally obliged to appoint as prime minister. Example: Japan, where the Emperor appoints the Prime Minister on the nomination of the National Diet. Also, Ireland, where the President of Ireland, appoints the Taoiseach on the nomination of Dáil Éireann.
A public officeholder (other than the head of state or their representative) nominates a candidate, who, if approved by parliament, is appointed as prime minister. Example: Under the Swedish Instrument of Government (1974), the power to appoint someone to form a government has been moved from the monarch to the Speaker of Parliament and the parliament itself. The speaker nominates a candidate, who is then elected to prime minister (statsminister) by the parliament if an absolute majority of the members of parliament does not vote any (i.e. they can be elected even if more members of parliament vote No than Yes).
Direct election by popular vote. Example: Israel, 1996–2001, where the prime minister was elected in a general election, with no regard to political affiliation, and whose procedure can also be described as of a semi-parliamentary system.[15][16]

Source:

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamen ... ccountable.

Futher reads:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/so ... ry-systems

Bottom Line: The canbinet is accountable to the parliament.