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[sesame]

The TPLF thugs gave him the perfect opportunity to become the greatest Ethiopian Leader of all time. Unfortunately for him and Ethiopia, he was not up to the task. He is the type of personality which snatches defeat out of victory. What a waste!

[eden]

Sesame

You realize you are asking Abiy to pick leaders for people, right? It's their business, no? Why would you want to take away the business of the people and give it to Abiy? I mean why decide for the people? Why not let them decide?

You remind me of some Tigrians that demanded in the past Meles to pick leaders for Eritrea. They wanted to finish off HGDEF. Bad idea. Let people decide when ready.

I think asking the removal of a government of your neighbor is not our right. Our right is to change our own government that's in Asmera.

[sesame]

He was elected by the people for precisely one reason: to eliminate the TPLF thugs. He had the mandate alright. What he did not have was the determination, the will and the zest for greatness. He is a mediocre personality who balked. Of him, no one will say, "Greatness was thrusted on him." He could have become the Abraham Lincoln of Ethiopia. Edina, do you know what Abe did to gain immortality? He fought and defeated the South. The USA lost over 600,000 lives then, a number greater than the combined number of all the wars they fought after that. But the result was a USA that was united and destined to become a super-power. Had Abiy been a great leader, he would have defeated the TPLF when he had the opportunity, subdued Tigray and its crazy leaders, and taken Ethiopia on the path of becoming a great nation. He failed to take that opportunity and today, Tigrayans are starving, Ethiopia is a weak and divided nation, and the stalemate will make Abiy and his nation the playground for Western imperialists. It would have been much better for Tigrayans to have had the issue settled decisively. The way things are going now, Tigrayan society will suffer years of instability, hunger and decline. Ethiopia will become weaker and weaker as it breaks along the seams. I am afraid the future is bleak for all of you! Just because this man failed to act decisively!

[Temt]

The TPLF thugs gave him the perfect opportunity to become the greatest Ethiopian Leader of all time. Unfortunately for him and Ethiopia, he was not up to the task. He is the type of personality which snatches defeat out of victory. What a waste!

Sesame, Abiy has made too many "Mistakes", if one can call them as such. In my opinion, the guy seems to be egocentric, with words like "me", "me", & "me" or "I", "I", &"I". I am beginning to believe, that what his mother supposedly told him that he would be the 7th King of Ethiopia, he believes it too. But his biggest folly, I believe is that he apparently succumbed to Ferengi pressures. Otherwise, as you suggested, why would a leader allow his forces from finishing the TPLF remnants when he could have?

[eden]

He was elected by the people for precisely one reason: to eliminate the TPLF

But I'm trying to telling you, according to Tigray people, eliminating TPLF is a right reserved for people of Tigray.

TPLF was saved by the people of Tigray, no? Am I missing something here?

[sesame]

He was elected by the people for precisely one reason: to eliminate the TPLF

But I'm trying to telling you, according to Tigray people, eliminating TPLF is a right reserved for people of Tigray.

TPLF was saved by the people of Tigray, no? Am I missing something here?

Edina, you are missing a great deal. I gave you the analogy of the South in the USA civil war which you have ignored. The main Tigrayan problem is that you forget that you are part of Ethiopia and not a sovereign country. You are subject to the laws of Ethiopia which by the way you ruled for 27 years. The people of Tigray cannot override the people of Ethiopia. You can't rule Ethiopia for 27 years, borrow tens of billions in Ethiopia's name, take Ethiopia into war with Eritrea and waste over 130,000 Ethiopians lives, and then when your TPLF is told to vacate the seat, decide that you can behave whatever way you like. Abiy and the people of Ethiopia had the perfect legal right to subdue Tigray. It is what happened to Biafrans and the Tamils of Sri Lanka. It is this elementary fact that Abiy seems to have forgotten that he had a duty to get rid of the TPLF for the sake of Ethiopia and for the sake of Tigrayans. Once you allow a criminal group to dictate to you, the nation exists only in name!

[Misraq]

Sesame,

I don't think you undetand Abiy and his psychological make up. The minute you decipher Abiy, it will be clear for you on why he did not finish TPLF and why he is going down quickly. Only handful people understood Abiy and warned the public in which they were scolded. It is amazing on how they were correct. Before I mention those intelligent men who deciphered Abiy, let me tell you who Abiy is.

1- Abiy is the #1 imposter in Ethiopian history (He decieved many including prophesors, doctors, seasoned politicians...etc)
2- Abiy grew up in TPLF mentorship ever since he was 15 years old (means he shares most of their thought process)
3) Abiy is Oromo Ethno Nationalist (he has a lot in common with Debretsion, Meles, JAWAR, Daud Ibsa....etc than Birhanu Nega, Andargachew, Issayas ...etc)
4) Abiy is a protestant pente (He looks up to white men and see himself inferior)
5) Abiy wanted TPLF to survive so that TPLF can operate at a nuisance level to Ethiopia and Amhara.
6) Abiy refused to change TPLF constitution (a constitution that brought strife, polarity and ethnic confrontation in Ethiopia. Abiy feels the constitution will serve his vision of Oromia much like Meles saw it that for Abay Tigray

Now you know Abiy. Now you know why he is doing a backdoor deal with TPLF.

[Tiago]

I don't think you understand Abiy and his psychological makeup. The minute you decipher Abiy, it will be clear to you why he did not finish TPLF and why he is going down quickly. Only handful people understood Abiy and warned the public in which they were scolded. It is amazing on how they were correct. Before I mention those intelligent men who deciphered Abiy, let me tell you who Abiy is.

1- Abiy is the #1 imposter in Ethiopian history (He deceived many including professors, doctors, seasoned politicians...etc)
2- Abiy grew up in TPLF mentorship ever since he was 15 years old (means he shares most of their thought process)
3) Abiy is Oromo Ethno Nationalist (he has a lot in common with Debretsion, Meles, JAWAR, Daud Ibsa....etc than Birhanu Nega, Andargachew, Issayas ...etc)
4) Abiy is a protestant pente (He looks up to white men and see himself as inferior)
5) Abiy wanted TPLF to survive so that TPLF can operate at a nuisance level to Ethiopia and Amhara.
6) Abiy refused to change TPLF constitution (a constitution that brought strife, polarity and ethnic confrontation in Ethiopia. Abiy feels the constitution will serve his vision of Oromia much like Meles saw it that for Abay Tigray

Now you know Abiy. Now you know why he is doing a backdoor deal with TPLF.

good description of who Abiy ahmed is.

Abiy ahmed<shimelis abdissa and other oromo politicians all believe the oromuma dream can be achieved by playing more ethiopian while strengthening the oromo society economically and militarily.outright war against non-oromos is actively discouraged<but the gradual weakening of amharas is going on>to this effect the conflict between tigrayes TPLF VS amharas and affar is godend to oromo aspiration.

[eden]

Sesame,


Would you blame Mengistu’s leadership for Ethiopian loss of Eritrea like you blaming Abiy for loss of Tigray? Or would you say Eritrea people had the right to self determination no matter what Mengie or Ethiopian people thought?

The laws of Ethiopia didn’t prevent Eritrea people from exercising self determination so why would it prevent Tigray people? In your mind, has Mengie lost the chance to become immortal like Abe Lincoln when he failed in sacrificing millions of Ethiopians and finishing off the EPLF to preserve the union?

[sesame]

Sesame,

Would you blame Mengistu’s leadership for Ethiopian loss of Eritrea like you blaming Abiy for loss of Tigray? Or would you say Eritrea people had the right to self determination no matter what Mengie or Ethiopian people thought?

The laws of Ethiopia didn’t prevent Eritrea people from exercising self determination so why would it prevent Tigray people? In your mind, has Mengie lost the chance to become immortal like Abe Lincoln when he failed in sacrificing millions of Ethiopians and finishing off the EPLF to preserve the union?

Edina,

I thought the issue that Eritrea was not Mengistu's to lose was settled a long time ago. The Eritrean question is totally different from that of Tigray. You see, the Eritrean people were sovereign and were federated with Ethiopia by a mandate of the UN. That federal arrangement was sacrosanct and Ethiopia had no right to tamper with it. Thus, when Hailesellasie abrogated it and annexed Eritrea, he broke the UN mandate and at that point Eritreans had the right to determine their fate. In fact, the UN should have intervened and punished Ethiopia. They didn't. Eritreans were forced to fight it out and win their legitimate right. And the UN supervised the referendum.

Now consider the following: All throughout the struggle, the Sudan was openly supporting the Eritrean cause. In fact, in the 1980s, the EPLF was a force within the Sudan, had a hospital in Sewakin by the Red Sea, and its trucks moved in and out of the Sudan daily. But Ethiopia never complained to the UN or the OAU that Sudan was violating its sovereignty. Because Ethiopia had no sovereignty over Eritrea. Its military occupation was illegal. Everybody knew it. But they all ignored us. Thus, although Mengistu had the military power to punish Sudan, he didn't. He couldn't. On the contrary, all his efforts was to keep the Eritrean case out of the UN and OAU. Get it.

Now Tigray is an integral part of Ethiopia and had no right to secede from Ethiopia. The TPLF sneaked into the constitution the right to secede. But that is not practical. Tigray cannot secede unless Ethiopia allows it just as the Catalans cannot secede unless Spain allows it. Your only hope is for Ethiopia to fragment like Yugoslavia. But the consequences would be so horrendous that even Tigrayans should take care that it did not happen.

[eden]

Sesame

Thanks for sharing your view.

My view is Eritrea separation was not an idea by Eritreans. It was an idea by foreigners. Almost all EPLF leaders weren’t aware of this. Even today we Eritreans don’t get it.

Eritrea is worse off after separation.

The solution is to workout differences even when you have an excuse or reason to leave. EPLF could have stayed and become a force for positive change but worked hard to separate and now wants to change Ethiopia from outside, and when Abiy reminds us we’re outsiders with no right to eliminate TPLF, we curse him out. This is stupidity in my book. If what happens in Ethiopia affects us so much, we should have stayed so we can participate from within.

TPLF has learned from EPLF failure that if it separates, it loses the right to change Ethiopia. So I don’t think they push for independence. But this doesn’t mean they have no right as a nation. They can use UN recognized self determination and R2P principles along with the backing of the super powers.

Ethiopia is full of good people and promising. Don’t go by current situation. There’s a reason Ethiopia persists.

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[quindibu]

Sesame

Thanks for sharing your view.

My view is Eritrea separation was not an idea by Eritreans. It was an idea by foreigners. Almost all EPLF leaders weren’t aware of this. Even today we Eritreans don’t get it.

Eritrea is worse off after separation.

The solution is to workout differences even when you have an excuse or reason to leave. EPLF could have stayed and become a force for positive change but worked hard to separate and now wants to change Ethiopia from outside, and when Abiy reminds us we’re outsiders with no right to eliminate TPLF, we curse him out. This is stupidity in my book. If what happens in Ethiopia affects us so much, we should have stayed so we can participate from within.

TPLF has learned from EPLF failure that if it separates, it loses the right to change Ethiopia. So I don’t think they push for independence. But this doesn’t mean they have no right as a nation. They can use UN recognized self determination and R2P principles along with the backing of the super powers.

Ethiopia is full of good people and promising. Don’t go by current situation. There’s a reason Ethiopia persists.

You're right! Eritreans were wrong!

I'm sure Eritreans have missed being part of the group whose daily bread would be preceded by 'Breaking News, ' heralding the delivery of tons of expired wheat........and showcasing the ferenjis generosity and allaying their fear of failure to 'the helpless Africans'.

I'm sure Eritreans are dying to be part of a region whose achievements so far have been butchering each other with machetes, endless war, bickering, displacement, strife, starvation, broad daylight robbery of public funds or muggings of mothers,
raping women and children .........Who would say no to this? But I'm afraid my people have a lot of catching-up to do to be at your level!

Please don't rub your good luck on us and make us feel inferior. Just enjoy the donated expired wheat!

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