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It was with awe we heard Abiy when he said “We were also shocked when asked to release prisoners.” Now we know that it was advisors led by Lencho Letta who came up with the recommendation to release Sibhat and/or Jawar and Eskinder. Why?

(1) Lencho was once described by Meles as the only intelligent politician who could be a statesman. We know Meles - he may or may not have been genuine but there is some truth in that if you have listened to Lencho with a neutral mindset. (I am saying this because I know there are many who don’t expect any good from us Gallas);

(2) The basic goal of political leadership is to untangle people from politics (the daily addictive nature) and have them return to productive stuff. In the midst of the political and war hysteria and frenzy, such a stunt had to be had. For TPLF, that would give its followers the confusion to come to terms with their 500 km chase loss and position them to quietly send them to [deleted] t he r wounds in hiding. For the Amhara, it would give them a quite time to not think that defeating/reversing TPLF occupation doesn’t mean being Superman and calm them to normalcy. For the general public, show is over get back to work is the message.

(3) For Jawar and company, has Jawar learned about the complexity of the Ethiopia mind in these past 2 years than what he learned all his life? It was easy to articulate and theorize but tasting the reality dose of habesha intricacy and OPDO might is something that he’d savor the rest of his life. This gave him a lesson and gave Abiy/Lencho a time to pull the rug under Jawar and made him a figure without a base (also know the time gave Abiy to massage whatever is left of Jawar’s base with bank loans… enough to forget about Jawar)

(4) For Eritrea, it’s is a message that despite the sinister character of TPLF, it’s nonetheless a family feud and that for the future of the country there has to be something had for Tegaru as well.

(5) Sibhat has silenced the generals (including what was his name the Raya beer general who led the slaughterhouse) to shut up their mouths and save whatever is left to save. The madness had to stop.

The Lencho strategy has its downsides but it has achieved those goals. But alas it is politics and in politics a day could be a lifetime and we don’t know what’s going to happen. But Abiy/Lencho have put their challenges in different baskets to such an extent the cries of all could be loud individually but cancels each other out the noise so they couldn’t make it in unison. All is quartered in their grievance barracks and can’t come together giving PP/Abiy/Lencho the space and time a politician dreams about.

What say you?

It was a huge mistake, a national blunder that relativized Ethiopian politics beyond repair and created a huge wedge between Abiy and the victims of woyane crimes, the whole of Ethiopia. If a person responsible for all the death and displacement could be freed, shortly after the group he created and led committed yet more fresh heinous crimes, then nobody else should be in prison for any lesser crimes.

By that very act and trying to justify it with the money he got for it, Abiy exposed Ethiopia to be a country of no deep convictions.

The Israelis hunted Demjianuk, a lowly guard at a concentration camp, simply to show that principles matter. Demjanuk killed at most 5 or 10 people, was a 94 year old with Alzheimer lying in a deathbed at an ICU, it didn't matter, a set of national principles demanded that he be tried and sentenced for the crimes he helped commit. Abiy seems to be anomic, with no deep convictions, and no set of values, and disrespect for the Ethiopian people, this was such an unforced error.

All is quartered in their grievance barracks and can’t come together giving PP/Abiy/Lencho the space and time a politician dreams about.

What say you?

Time? To do what exactly?

justo wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2022, 15:17

It was a huge mistake, a national blunder that relativized Ethiopian politics beyond repair and created a huge wedge between Abiy and the victims of woyane crimes, the whole of Ethiopia. If a person responsible for all the death and displacement could be freed, shortly after the group he created and led committed yet more fresh heinous crimes, then nobody else should be in prison for any lesser crimes.

By that very act and trying to justify it with the money he got for it, Abiy exposed Ethiopia to be a country of no deep convictions.
The Israelis hunted Demjianuk, a lowly guard at a concentration camp, simply to show that principles matter. Demjanuk killed at most 5 or 10 people, was a 94 year old with Alzheimer lying in a deathbed at an ICU, it didn't matter, a set of national principles demanded that he be tried and sentenced for the crimes he helped commit. Abiy seems to be anomic, with no deep convictions, and no set of values, and disrespect for the Ethiopian people, this was such an unforced error.

For the common observer that is impressive. If you remember Sibhat was laughing at the Mekelle hotheads when they were saying “we should secede because we can’t be just any other kilil given our contribution to the empire.” He said how do you secede when Eritrea is over there and Amhara are claiming Wolkayit and Raya. I’m not trying to absolve him of any role in the crimes of TPLF. But my question is “Who amongst the Tegaru would be heard if that person spoke against what TPLF is doing, for example to say war is wrong.”
Do you think TPLF will listen to Aregawi Berhe, Araya T-Mariam, or Keriya, or anyone else? Or Sibhat? Who has authority (ownership) over TPLF?
Also, what to do with Tigray and Tegarus? Stay in an indefinite destruction only because their leaders are erratic, self-destructive and immature. Would that be what you’d do to one of your irresponsible son if you were the father?
Israel is fighting/hunting foreign Germans not other Jews. Ethiopians are in civil war.
I understand your points just from a gut and raw perspective. But I’m talking about as a statesman did Abiy had any other choice? Or just redo Mekelle 2.0? And Ethiopia is not Eritrea or Djibouti where you can stay as island. It has complex needs and relations with US/EU….and IMF/WB…. That is the reason Eritreans are coming to work and thrive in Ethiopia which is possible because it maintains relations with all. Just sloganeering neo-colonialism wouldn’t bake bread to all.
So let’s cut the raw and gut emotion and discuss on this plane.

gearhead wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2022, 21:49

All is quartered in their grievance barracks and can’t come together giving PP/Abiy/Lencho the space and time a politician dreams about.

What say you?

Time? To do what exactly?

Time for entrenching the status quo and transplanting oneself in lieu of the former imperialists.

Wardoffa wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2022, 15:58

For the common observer that is impressive. If you remember Sibhat was laughing at the Mekelle hotheads when they were saying “we should secede because we can’t be just any other kilil given our contribution to the empire.” He said how do you secede when Eritrea is over there and Amhara are claiming Wolkayit and Raya. I’m not trying to absolve him of any role in the crimes of TPLF. But my question is “Who amongst the Tegaru would be heard if that person spoke against what TPLF is doing, for example to say war is wrong.”
Do you think TPLF will listen to Aregawi Berhe, Araya T-Mariam, or Keriya, or anyone else? Or Sibhat? Who has authority (ownership) over TPLF?
Also, what to do with Tigray and Tegarus? Stay in an indefinite destruction only because their leaders are erratic, self-destructive and immature. Would that be what you’d do to one of your irresponsible son if you were the father?
Israel is fighting/hunting foreign Germans not other Jews. Ethiopians are in civil war.
I understand your points just from a gut and raw perspective. But I’m talking about as a statesman did Abiy had any other choice? Or just redo Mekelle 2.0? And Ethiopia is not Eritrea or Djibouti where you can stay as island. It has complex needs and relations with US/EU….and IMF/WB…. That is the reason Eritreans are coming to work and thrive in Ethiopia which is possible because it maintains relations with all. Just sloganeering neo-colonialism wouldn’t bake bread to all.
So let’s cut the raw and gut emotion and discuss on this plane.

This has nothing to do with emotions, it has a lot to do with principles. You don't build a country with only bricks and mortar, you need values and principles also. Why do you need to punish crime? Because you are angry? No, you punish crime to stop crime. You cannot punish some and not punish others, it becomes too arbitrary. If Tegarus think you can punish Tamrat Layne and Andargachew Tsige, but not Getachew Asefa and Sibhat Nega, then they need to grow up.

Wardoffa wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2022, 15:58

So let’s cut the raw and gut emotion and discuss on this plane.

I'm not impressed by your sophistication, if you thought this would indicate that

justo wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2022, 17:59

This has nothing to do with emotions, it has a lot to do with principles. You don't build a country with only bricks and mortar, you need values and principles also. Why do you need to punish crime? Because you are angry? No, you punish crime to stop crime. You cannot punish some and not punish others, it becomes too arbitrary. If Tegarus think you can punish Tamrat Layne and Andargachew Tsige, but not Getachew Asefa and Sibhat Nega, then they need to grow up.

Wardoffa wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2022, 15:58

So let’s cut the raw and gut emotion and discuss on this plane.

I'm not impressed by your sophistication, if you thought this would indicate that

I guess I should have said having an agenda than raw and emotional. You have a puritan and righteous sense of justice which is appreciated. But who among you is not a sinner cast the first stone is what comes to mind. This reminds me of Warren Buffet who once said “If a cop follows you for 500 miles, you're going to get a ticket.” If you are going to be so righteous, imagine how many times you broke the law and how many times you reported yourself to the police.

I’m not saying Sibhat or any of the TPLF losers are innocent/spared of the arm of justice. But governments let go for a better good and that happens in all nations in the world.

Abiy/Lencho have diffused a great tension in the country by having the populace to calm and to take the steam out of the anger and revenge and boiling blood in the country by releasing those thereby making people hate politics and get back to work. The most losers with the release of Sibhat are TPLF jeganu sentimental fools (the Raya beer general and his friends and its attack dogs on internet who are left with zero energy); on the Oromo side Ezkiel and fools like him who have nothing to fight for now. And on the Amhara side the members of the bereft and aloof Eskinder’s fan club who now I think wish he was not released in the first place. So the chaos profiteers are shamed and try to grandstand although you can read their motives between the lines.

That said I appreciate your discussion and the puritan justice fervor that we don’t see much these days.

ጽድቁ ቀርቶብኝ አለች አለሚቱ!! ለአንድ ክልል ሲባል ህገመንግስቱን እንመዘብረዋለን አለ እኮ የራስህ ጠቅላይ ሚንስቴር!! እንኳን entrenched ልትሆን የራስህን ጓደኞች ከ defamation barrage ማዳን አልቻልክም!!

የ entrenched ትርጉሙም አልገባህም!! entrenched ስንል...
1) 70 percent government bureaucracy
2)ownership of working language and the entirety defamatory media
3)9O percent of millionaires and 100 percent of government assisted billionaires

the list goes on and on and on!! ያንተ entrenchment ቅዥት ነው!!የድሮን ባለቤት ለመሆን እና ብሄር ብሄረሰቦችን ለማጋየት አንድ የስልጣን መርከብ የቀረው ህብረተሰብ ውስጥ ያለህ አንድ ቅማል ነህ በቅርቡ ይነቅሉሀል!!

ወያኔንም ተይ ብንላት አልሰማ ብላ የታቀፈች መስሏት ስትሞዳሞድ በቤት ጋሎቻቸው አመካኝነት ገደል ሰደዷት!!

እስቲ በተደራጀ አካሄድ ከመቀበሪያችሁ defamation እራሳችሁ አድኑ? በእንቁላል ላይ እየተራመድክ entrenchment የለምና!!

Wardoffa wrote: ↑

13 Mar 2022, 15:58

justo wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2022, 15:17

It was a huge mistake, a national blunder that relativized Ethiopian politics beyond repair and created a huge wedge between Abiy and the victims of woyane crimes, the whole of Ethiopia. If a person responsible for all the death and displacement could be freed, shortly after the group he created and led committed yet more fresh heinous crimes, then nobody else should be in prison for any lesser crimes.

By that very act and trying to justify it with the money he got for it, Abiy exposed Ethiopia to be a country of no deep convictions.
The Israelis hunted Demjianuk, a lowly guard at a concentration camp, simply to show that principles matter. Demjanuk killed at most 5 or 10 people, was a 94 year old with Alzheimer lying in a deathbed at an ICU, it didn't matter, a set of national principles demanded that he be tried and sentenced for the crimes he helped commit. Abiy seems to be anomic, with no deep convictions, and no set of values, and disrespect for the Ethiopian people, this was such an unforced error.

For the common observer that is impressive. If you remember Sibhat was laughing at the Mekelle hotheads when they were saying “we should secede because we can’t be just any other kilil given our contribution to the empire.” He said how do you secede when Eritrea is over there and Amhara are claiming Wolkayit and Raya. I’m not trying to absolve him of any role in the crimes of TPLF. But my question is “Who amongst the Tegaru would be heard if that person spoke against what TPLF is doing, for example to say war is wrong.”
Do you think TPLF will listen to Aregawi Berhe, Araya T-Mariam, or Keriya, or anyone else? Or Sibhat? Who has authority (ownership) over TPLF?
Also, what to do with Tigray and Tegarus? Stay in an indefinite destruction only because their leaders are erratic, self-destructive and immature. Would that be what you’d do to one of your irresponsible son if you were the father?
Israel is fighting/hunting foreign Germans not other Jews. Ethiopians are in civil war.
I understand your points just from a gut and raw perspective. But I’m talking about as a statesman did Abiy had any other choice? Or just redo Mekelle 2.0? And Ethiopia is not Eritrea or Djibouti where you can stay as island. It has complex needs and relations with US/EU….and IMF/WB…. That is the reason Eritreans are coming to work and thrive in Ethiopia which is possible because it maintains relations with all. Just sloganeering neo-colonialism wouldn’t bake bread to all.
So let’s cut the raw and gut emotion and discuss on this plane.

gearhead wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2022, 21:49

All is quartered in their grievance barracks and can’t come together giving PP/Abiy/Lencho the space and time a politician dreams about.

What say you?

Time? To do what exactly?

Time for entrenching the status quo and transplanting oneself in lieu of the former imperialists.

justo wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2022, 15:17

It was a huge mistake, a national blunder that relativized Ethiopian politics beyond repair and created a huge wedge between Abiy and the victims of woyane crimes, the whole of Ethiopia. If a person responsible for all the death and displacement could be freed, shortly after the group he created and led committed yet more fresh heinous crimes, then nobody else should be in prison for any lesser crimes.

By that very act and trying to justify it with the money he got for it, Abiy exposed Ethiopia to be a country of no deep convictions.

The Israelis hunted Demjianuk, a lowly guard at a concentration camp, simply to show that principles matter. Demjanuk killed at most 5 or 10 people, was a 94 year old with Alzheimer lying in a deathbed at an ICU, it didn't matter, a set of national principles demanded that he be tried and sentenced for the crimes he helped commit. Abiy seems to be anomic, with no deep convictions, and no set of values, and disrespect for the Ethiopian people, this was such an unforced error.

I agree with your take!!! speaking of Demjianuk; I still think about that act and as bad as i felt for the old man, but i can't help but admire the Israelis. So, get back to the point, what Abiy and his stupid advisers did was something unthinkable to the healthy human mind. Unless the new leader emerges and set things straight, the Ethiopian criminal law is severely undermined if not destroyed all together. The other day there was some people burning someone alive, do you know why they did that? because they know no one is going to hold them accountable. If you can set free the likes of Sibhat, how on earth can you arrest anyone for any crime? how Abiy and his stupid advisors they didn't even consider the respect to the legal system and the court it self. Had the court had its say and render the verdict then and then maybe, you can forgive and release. Anyway the rule of law is dead and Abiy killed it.

Wardoffa wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2022, 14:11

Lencho was once described by Meles as the only intelligent politician who could be a statesman. We know Meles - he may or may not have been genuine but there is some truth in that if you have listened to Lencho with a neutral mindset. (I am saying this because I know there are many who don’t expect any good from us Gallas);

Do you know if both had resonant views about Ethiopia's ethnic federalism independently of each other or if one had influence over the other about it? I wish this attribution to Meles apportioned more appropriately in case there has been influences about it.

BTW, some of us don't need to read your disclaimer because we know giving credit where it is due including at a moment's notice of a lasting first voice impression and constructively criticize when we observe weaknesses, at least in our views.

gearhead wrote: ↑

18 Mar 2022, 13:33

ጽድቁ ቀርቶብኝ አለች አለሚቱ!! ለአንድ ክልል ሲባል ህገመንግስቱን እንመዘብረዋለን አለ እኮ የራስህ ጠቅላይ ሚንስቴር!! እንኳን entrenched ልትሆን የራስህን ጓደኞች ከ defamation barrage ማዳን አልቻልክም!!

የ entrenched ትርጉሙም አልገባህም!! entrenched ስንል...
1) 70 percent government bureaucracy
2)ownership of working language and the entirety defamatory media
3)9O percent of millionaires and 100 percent of government assisted billionaires

the list goes on and on and on!! ያንተ entrenchment ቅዥት ነው!!የድሮን ባለቤት ለመሆን እና ብሄር ብሄረሰቦችን ለማጋየት አንድ የስልጣን መርከብ የቀረው ህብረተሰብ ውስጥ ያለህ አንድ ቅማል ነህ በቅርቡ ይነቅሉሀል!!

ወያኔንም ተይ ብንላት አልሰማ ብላ የታቀፈች መስሏት ስትሞዳሞድ በቤት ጋሎቻቸው አመካኝነት ገደል ሰደዷት!!

እስቲ በተደራጀ አካሄድ ከመቀበሪያችሁ defamation እራሳችሁ አድኑ? በእንቁላል ላይ እየተራመድክ entrenchment የለምና!!

gearhead wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2022, 21:49

All is quartered in their grievance barracks and can’t come together giving PP/Abiy/Lencho the space and time a politician dreams about.

What say you?

Time? To do what exactly?

Time for entrenching the status quo and transplanting oneself in lieu of the former imperialists.

In my humble opinion the paradigm for Woyane and Oromos is diametrically different. Woyane had only one choice - metaqef. Oromos don’t need that. All they need is to breath oxygen and if you like them you live with them or if not you go your way. Abiy is the lightening rode and the topic of urban discussion. What’s happening underneath is entrenchment of the Oromos in Oromia, claiming what is their own without fear or favor of Bitew, Abbai Tsehaye, Samora, Getachew. Now they own their region and what’s defamation of Abiy gonna change? It may help you attain 0rgasm on the internet but it doesn’t change the mind of one emancipated Oromo in Addis or Oromia. The age of defamation and propaganda is over. But for entertainment, we enjoy it in Mereje forum. Gallas are emancipated and they’d not step on anyone’s toes so the grind will go on. Love him or hate him, you defame and discuss Abiy while the real deal is unfolding somewhere else. Lightening rode is the game.

No wonder Sibhat is a formidable figure in TPLF and Tigray. Some (those who sympathized with him when he was imprisoned) were saying Sibhat has no position/power in TPLF…

Now he is the one who is giving a slap on the wrist to that General Raya Beer and and the others to stop the madness and disappear from political space. (Funny that they’re ashamed to face the world and funnier that they hid when Sibhat spanked them for their misadventure and miscalculation clouded by of anger and temper tantrum)

Sibhat has been an asset for Abiy and his elderly outlook is “bilt lij yeyazewun yizo yaleqisal” practicality and pragmatism.

The others and their diaspora followers only act like a Vegas drunk who plays with all his chips including his taxi fare thinking he’d own everything (Addis) and the riches that come with it - “ Berewu hoyi baraw hoi sarun ayah engi gedelun satay”.

Sibhat believes it’s better to save the 10/20% that is left than losing it like the 80% lost since 2018.

See this around 10 minutes in: