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[DefendTheTruth]

The PM was very astute in telling Christian Tadele what he is, an ignorant, who is unaware of what his own role is while taking that seat in the sovereign body of the nation.

The guy claimed, repeatedly but also shamelessly, that he is a representative of the (great) Amhara people.

The PM replied, without going down to the level of the ignorant in the parlament, you idiot, you are the representative of your own electoral district (constituency) not that of the Amhara people. The Amhara people has never gave its mandate to you and there is no way that you can claim its representation.

If Abiy were Meles, then he would have told the guy, never come again to the session before informing yourself adequately about your own role.

Dedeb!

[Abere]

Then, Abiy Ahmed is the PM of Beshasha/በሻሻ/, not the PM of greater Ethiopia.

The PM was very astute in telling Christian Tadele what he is, an ignorant, who is unaware of what his own role is while taking that seat in the sovereign body of the nation.

The guy claimed, repeatedly but also shamelessly, that he is a representative of the (great) Amhara people.

The PM replied, without going down to the level of the ignorant in the parlament, you idiot, you are the representative of your own electoral district (constituency) not that of the Amhara people. The Amhara people has never gave its mandate to you and there is no way that you can claim its representation.

If Abiy were Meles, then he would have told the guy, never come again to the session before informing yourself adequately about your own role.

Dedeb!

[DefendTheTruth]

Here another ignorant trying to make a parallel for completely different things.

PM was elected to office by the representatives of all parts of the country, majority voted through their representatives and elected him to the office.

No one in Amhara region outside of the respective constituency where Mr. ደንቆሮ came from elected him to be their representative.

So, he can't and shouldn't raise that claim.

How did you draw this parallel?

Then, Abiy Ahmed is the PM of Beshasha/በሻሻ/, not the PM of greater Ethiopia.

The PM was very astute in telling Christian Tadele what he is, an ignorant, who is unaware of what his own role is while taking that seat in the sovereign body of the nation.

The guy claimed, repeatedly but also shamelessly, that he is a representative of the (great) Amhara people.

The PM replied, without going down to the level of the ignorant in the parlament, you idiot, you are the representative of your own electoral district (constituency) not that of the Amhara people. The Amhara people has never gave its mandate to you and there is no way that you can claim its representation.

If Abiy were Meles, then he would have told the guy, never come again to the session before informing yourself adequately about your own role.

Dedeb!

[Abere]

I knew in advance your instinctive instant response- referring to the biggest scam of TPLF's constitution. No Amhara elected or no Somali etc. elected Abiy Ahmed - he is only the PM of Beshasha. You have the right to wish him to be the PM of Sudan, Kenya, etc. everything under the sun, we call that a ኬኛ. A schizophrenic person has unlimited empire.

Here another ignorant trying to make a parallel for completely different things.

PM was elected to office by the representatives of all parts of the country, majority voted through their representatives and elected him to the office.

No one in Amhara region outside of the respective constituency where Mr. ደንቆሮ came from elected him to be their representative.

So, he can't and shouldn't raise that claim.

How did you draw this parallel?

Then, Abiy Ahmed is the PM of Beshasha/በሻሻ/, not the PM of greater Ethiopia.

The PM was very astute in telling Christian Tadele what he is, an ignorant, who is unaware of what his own role is while taking that seat in the sovereign body of the nation.

The guy claimed, repeatedly but also shamelessly, that he is a representative of the (great) Amhara people.

The PM replied, without going down to the level of the ignorant in the parlament, you idiot, you are the representative of your own electoral district (constituency) not that of the Amhara people. The Amhara people has never gave its mandate to you and there is no way that you can claim its representation.

If Abiy were Meles, then he would have told the guy, never come again to the session before informing yourself adequately about your own role.

Dedeb!

[Tiago]

The PM must give convincing answer as to why releasing the TPLF criminals is beneficial to Ethiopia .
According to PP only those Amharas hand picked by PM are representative of Amhara people.
Christian tadele represents the Amhara people and echoing what the majority of amharas people are asking .to belittle the personality is not going to help shelter this PM from public scrutiny.
Talk is cheap and the PM is not going to talk his way out of the responsibility of safeguarding citizens.since he came to power,there are thousands of innocent citizens who are being senselessly killed by galas who the PM failed ie deliberately, ignored .

[Noble Amhara]

[Educator]

When was he elected by the representatives of all parts of the country? Was there even an election within the PP party since its inception? PP is an illegal and illegitimate party tha never held general meetings and elected its leaders or central committee members.

Where would the word "ignorant " fits well?

Here another ignorant trying to make a parallel for completely different things.

PM was elected to office by the representatives of all parts of the country, majority voted through their representatives and elected him to the office.

No one in Amhara region outside of the respective constituency where Mr. ደንቆሮ came from elected him to be their representative.

So, he can't and shouldn't raise that claim.

How did you draw this parallel?

Then, Abiy Ahmed is the PM of Beshasha/በሻሻ/, not the PM of greater Ethiopia.

The PM was very astute in telling Christian Tadele what he is, an ignorant, who is unaware of what his own role is while taking that seat in the sovereign body of the nation.

The guy claimed, repeatedly but also shamelessly, that he is a representative of the (great) Amhara people.

The PM replied, without going down to the level of the ignorant in the parlament, you idiot, you are the representative of your own electoral district (constituency) not that of the Amhara people. The Amhara people has never gave its mandate to you and there is no way that you can claim its representation.

If Abiy were Meles, then he would have told the guy, never come again to the session before informing yourself adequately about your own role.

Dedeb!

[Horus]

Defendthetruth,
I know you are arguing for a parliamentary system of representation, but you should also recognize the defective nature of that system relative to the presidential democracy in which case the leader is elected by each voting age citizen of the nation. Consider the type of power each person deposits in the person of the delegate or representative. It is exactly like the power of attorney one assigns to another person on his behalf. When each congressional delegate was elected by a person in kllil x, how much of the decision making power of the voter is deposited in the delegate? That is never clear! What happens when the delegate makes decisions above and beyond the intentions of the voter? These are serious philosophical and legal defects of indirect representation and abuse of representative democracy. Yes, every Amara voter did not elected and delegate Christina. It is also true, that the Gurage voter did not vote for Abiy to be the PM, nor did that voter instruct Erestu to vote for Abiy in the parliament. As you can see, in the defective parliamentary system, the local limited delegate of the voter becomes a power and a sovereign unto himself fully substituting the full person and power of the absent voter. A voter give away only a very small fraction of his sovereignty to his representative his እንደራሴ! ያ ካልሆነ እንደ ራሴው ነጻና ሏዓላዊ የሆነውን ግለሰብ ተክቶ ግለሰቡ የማይፈልገውን
ያላሰበውን ውሳኔዎች ሁሉ በመውሰድ የግለሰቡን ስልጣን ዩዘርፕ ያደርጋል ማለት ነው እንደራሴው! ስለዚህ ትልቁ ጥያቄ አሁን ባለው የኢትዮጵያ የግለሰቦች ስልጣንና ሃይል ውክልና ስርኣት አንድ ወኪል ምን ያህል መብት ነው ግለሰቡ (ድምጽ ሰጩ) ለወኪሉ ቆርሶ የሰጠው የሚለው ደገብ የለውም! ይህ ነው እጅግ መሰረታዊ የፓርላማዊ ሲስተም ደካማነት! ስለሆነ አቢይ በክሪስቲአን ላይ ያነሳው ትችት ባቢይ የስልጣን አያያዝ ላይም ሊነሳ ይችላል። ለዚህም ነው አቢይ ራሱ የፕሪዚዳንታዊ ሲስተም ይደግፋል የሚባለው ። (በችኮላ ስለጻኩት ስህተቱን አርመው ያንብቡ)

[Noble Amhara]

What makes Abiy different to a Fascist Italian Imperialist who came to power to genocide and marginalize our people?

[DefendTheTruth]

Defendthetruth,
I know you are arguing for a parliamentary system of representation, but you should also recognize the defective nature of that system relative to the presidential democracy in which case the leader is elected by each voting age citizen of the nation. Consider the type of power each person deposits in the person of the delegate or representative. It is exactly like the power of attorney one assigns to another person on his behalf. When each congressional delegate was elected by a person in kllil x, how much of the decision making power of the voter is deposited in the delegate? That is never clear! What happens when the delegate makes decisions above and beyond the intentions of the voter? These are serious philosophical and legal defects of indirect representation and abuse of representative democracy. Yes, every Amara voter did not elected and delegate Christina. It is also true, that the Gurage voter did not vote for Abiy to be the PM, nor did that voter instruct Erestu to vote for Abiy in the parliament. As you can see, in the defective parliamentary system, the local limited delegate of the voter becomes a power and a sovereign unto himself fully substituting the full person and power of the absent voter. A voter give away only a very small fraction of his sovereignty to his representative his እንደራሴ! ያ ካልሆነ እንደ ራሴው ነጻና ሏዓላዊ የሆነውን ግለሰብ ተክቶ ግለሰቡ የማይፈልገውን
ያላሰበውን ውሳኔዎች ሁሉ በመውሰድ የግለሰቡን ስልጣን ዩዘርፕ ያደርጋል ማለት ነው እንደራሴው! ስለዚህ ትልቁ ጥያቄ አሁን ባለው የኢትዮጵያ የግለሰቦች ስልጣንና ሃይል ውክልና ስርኣት አንድ ወኪል ምን ያህል መብት ነው ግለሰቡ (ድምጽ ሰጩ) ለወኪሉ ቆርሶ የሰጠው የሚለው ደገብ የለውም! ይህ ነው እጅግ መሰረታዊ የፓርላማዊ ሲስተም ደካማነት! ስለሆነ አቢይ በክሪስቲአን ላይ ያነሳው ትችት ባቢይ የስልጣን አያያዝ ላይም ሊነሳ ይችላል። ለዚህም ነው አቢይ ራሱ የፕሪዚዳንታዊ ሲስተም ይደግፋል የሚባለው ። (በችኮላ ስለጻኩት ስህተቱን አርመው ያንብቡ)

Horus,

in the case of Ethiopia at least I can say the following: when we are having such immense problems to agree on almost anything that the few hundreds of people decide for us on behave of us (on issues of collective interest), then imagine what could happen if all the 120 million were to make that decision collectively on their own, a nightmare situation.

I think that is what the so called representative democracy is supposed to curb, but I will not indulge myself much into it, as I am not an expert of social science topics.

The issue of this thread is also not if representative democracy (indirect representation) is good or bad, it is simply about the flaw in thinking pattern of the newly elected እንደራሴ in the Ethiopian parliament.

He was delegated to be there from perhaps thousands of people at most but claimed to represent millions, which is an abuse of people's will.

A flaw in a representative democracy, perceived or real, can't justify such a flaw in the personal thinking pattern of an individual.

The issue is also even not so much about the obvious flaw in his thinking pattern, it is much more about the difference how those who are dealing with our issues differ in their handling of public trust.

I remember a scene, which I saw over a YouTube video years back, where the late PM Meles Zenawi reacted to a comment by a representative about a fiscal policy or plan. The guy didn't understand well the term, I think, but that didn't surprise me as much as how the then PM treated the representative, it was very diminutive of the person in the parliament.

PM Abiy didn't choose that path of denigrating a fellow representative, instead just indicated the flaw and moved on, perhaps a more fitting way of treating our fellow citizen or a representatives, ክቡር የምክር ቤት አባል.

On the topic of sovereignty I think individuals have still some level of sovereignty on many of the issues affecting their daily lives, they can choose what to eat, which car to drive, when and where to sleep, whom to meet on their own and many more issues of individual lives. But life is not limited to just these individual level issues, we also need to handle collective issues, about collective security, building roads, generating power, managing the overall resources of the country (collection of all) and the likes. On such issues we have to agree to decide on collectively and deciding as a collection of 120 Million is simply impractical, where the solution is to use representatives and make the decision in a more manageable number of individuals.

Whether you follow a parliamentary or presidential system, at some level you have to delegate your decision making power to someone else, else it will be messy.

In America you elected the president, but then the president will elect for you the the ministers, the commander of the army, the judges and many more, which is also a delegation, in my view at least.

But I have a question for you:

if you defend the sovereignty of individuals, then how can you ignore the sovereignty of collection of individuals?

I do agree that for the whole to be truly sovereign the parts also need to be sovereign at their respective level.

[ZEMEN]

The PM must give convincing answer as to why releasing the TPLF criminals is beneficial to Ethiopia .
According to PP only those Amharas hand picked by PM are representative of Amhara people.
Christian tadele represents the Amhara people and echoing what the majority of amharas people are asking .to belittle the personality is not going to help shelter this PM from public scrutiny.
Talk is cheap and the PM is not going to talk his way out of the responsibility of safeguarding citizens.since he came to power,there are thousands of innocent citizens who are being senselessly killed by galas who the PM failed ie deliberately, ignored .

He already did! God told him to release the most criminal in the face of the earth. This guy named Abiy, will destroy Ethiopia. Wait and watch.

[DefendTheTruth]

This ignorant has once again been debunked.

This time around he has drawn his lesson and didn't call himself the representative of the Amhara people, instead talked in the name of his constituency, which is an improvement. But still he thinks of himself of being the judge and witness in one, which betrayed his ignorance.

He should have based his claims on any sort of third party claims, he is a partisan of the issue at hand.

The PM told him to go and visit his family first, it seems he is fearing to visit his own people. But why?

His falsehood being debunk by his own people themselves, probably?

[DefendTheTruth]

ይህን ቪድዮ ከፍታቺዉ እዩት ። ክርስትያን ታደለ ና ዶር ጫኔ ክዉ ብለዉ ደርቆዋል።