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unconditional surrender should be the ultimatum of the PM

Posted: 23 Dec 2021, 11:01
by Deqi-Arawit
Abiye is an incompetent leader Who has no clue what war is all about. and it seems he never learned from his own mistake to withdraw his troops without accomplishing their objectives prematurely during the last war .

This time, unless the PM eradicate the ideology of the leeches once and for all , peace and security will never prevail in the region, simply because the leeches are going to be tools to egypt, the West and every body Who can offer them 5 dollars to do their bidding. after all, the only reason why they tried to reach Addis Abeba was not because they wants to but to appease their Western masters.

The PM should order to eliminate Radio and tv woyane or supress them with Electronic means.

Unconditional surrender of the army or offer top echelon of the leeches to leave Ethiopia and seek asylum in Sudan.

This is how war is conducted, you can't leave your enemey to regain his lost strength, regroup and attack

Re: unconditional surrender should be the ultimatum of the PM

Posted: 23 Dec 2021, 11:17
by info
Deqi-Arawit wrote:
23 Dec 2021, 11:01
Abiye is an incompetent leader Who has no clue what war is all about. and it seems he never learned from his own mistake to withdraw his troops without accomplishing their objectives prematurely during the last war .

This time, unless the PM eradicate the ideology of the leeches once and for all , peace and security will never prevail in the region, simply because the leeches are going to be tools to egypt, the West and every body Who can offer them 5 dollars to do their bidding. after all, the only reason why they tried to reach Addis Abeba was not because they wants to but to appease their Western masters.

The PM should order to eliminate Radio and tv woyane or supress them with Electronic means.

Unconditional surrender of the army or offer top echelon of the leeches to leave Ethiopia and seek asylum in Sudan.

This is how war is conducted, you can't leave your enemey to regain his lost strength, regroup and attack
Who is going to administer Tigray, if you remove TPLF from power? PM needs TPLF to administer Tigray as he has no interest in shouldering the huge burden of delivering aid and administering Tigray. Unless you are able to replace TPLF administration i.e. public servants from kebele, wereda to the regional level and also have a local police, liyu hail and militia force for the security, removing TPLF will only make you shoulder the burden yourself which is impossible.

You need alternative tigrean political force that can mobilize at least a few percentage of the people and is responsible for public service and security. Currently, none of that exits and the only organization that can deliver this for now is TPLF.

The US has also struggled to replace administrations in different countries. That is a hard job especially if you don't have a substantial support from the population. To administer Tigray, we have no alternative for now other than TPLF. None! Let the Tigray people deal with TPLF as obviously that is their choice. The government should only make sure that TPLF never ever can launch a significant offensive. Other than that let TPLF administer Tigray and you be thankful you have an somebody to do the thankless job.

Re: unconditional surrender should be the ultimatum of the PM

Posted: 23 Dec 2021, 11:39
by Misraq
Agree on Deqi assessment. By letting lose these leeches, Abiy may end up losing power quicker than the TPLF losing power in Mekelle.

Let's also not forget OPP, the Oromo prosperity Party that Abiy is a chairman himself. There was a deliberate attempt not to arm Amharas in Wollo both before and after TPLF invasion. Is these a plan to weaken Amhara? Certainly a lot of people are going to buy this story and I expect huge friction between ENDF & FANO which will give a chance for TPLF to regroup

ENDF could have entered Mekelle and distroy key infrastructures as they have done in Amhara and exit in a month or so for the leeches to deal with the mess.

4 killo is doomed. Unless Amhara entered there, it will never find peace.

Re: unconditional surrender should be the ultimatum of the PM

Posted: 23 Dec 2021, 11:40
by sesame
Hello Info,

Are you saying that the federal government will allow the TPLF, that the Ethiopian parliament has designated as a terrorist organization, to govern Tigray? Does that sound right to you. Isn't it the duty of the federal government to bring to justice these terrorists? Isn't it Abiy's duty to liberate Tigrayans from these terrorists? If that is what Abiy is about, I think the Afaris and the Amharas should defy Abiy and take matters into their hands. The total destruction of the two regions by the TPLF is in part due to Abiy's failure to finish off the terrorists when he had the chance. If Abiy hesitates now, he would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for the second time in 14 months!

Re: unconditional surrender should be the ultimatum of the PM

Posted: 23 Dec 2021, 11:52
by kibramlak
Info,

I have similar question to you. If not Abiy's Ethiopia which needs to shoulder Tigray and Tplf, whoelse can do that ? What kind of reasoning is this? Or you mean that Tigray under tplf needs to either print its own money or get money through other external sources. Declaring a defacto independent state. Then, do you ever thought that this is what tplf and enemies of Ethiopia echoing for the last several months ? Because both tplf and foreign enemies will benefit from this situation. As you cannot choke millions of population deprived of everything, foreign elements will use their ultimate means to forcefully enter Tigray with the needed material support which will eventually topple Abiy himself or at the minimum start another round of war with Amhara to forcefully reclaim areas they had hold illegally during their reign of power. To be honest, Every Ethiopian must be ashamed with a leader who turned victories to loses and betray the people for the second time. Unbelievable !
info wrote:
23 Dec 2021, 11:17
Deqi-Arawit wrote:
23 Dec 2021, 11:01
Abiye is an incompetent leader Who has no clue what war is all about. and it seems he never learned from his own mistake to withdraw his troops without accomplishing their objectives prematurely during the last war .

This time, unless the PM eradicate the ideology of the leeches once and for all , peace and security will never prevail in the region, simply because the leeches are going to be tools to egypt, the West and every body Who can offer them 5 dollars to do their bidding. after all, the only reason why they tried to reach Addis Abeba was not because they wants to but to appease their Western masters.

The PM should order to eliminate Radio and tv woyane or supress them with Electronic means.

Unconditional surrender of the army or offer top echelon of the leeches to leave Ethiopia and seek asylum in Sudan.

This is how war is conducted, you can't leave your enemey to regain his lost strength, regroup and attack
Who is going to administer Tigray, if you remove TPLF from power? PM needs TPLF to administer Tigray as he has no interest in shouldering the huge burden of delivering aid and administering Tigray. Unless you are able to replace TPLF administration i.e. public servants from kebele, wereda to the regional level and also have a local police, liyu hail and militia force for the security, removing TPLF will only make you shoulder the burden yourself which is impossible.

You need alternative tigrean political force that can mobilize at least a few percentage of the people and is responsible for public service and security. Currently, none of that exits and the only organization that can deliver this for now is TPLF.

The US has also struggled to replace administrations in different countries. That is a hard job especially if you don't have a substantial support from the population. To administer Tigray, we have no alternative for now other than TPLF. None! Let the Tigray people deal with TPLF as obviously that is their choice. The government should only make sure that TPLF never ever can launch a significant offensive. Other than that let TPLF administer Tigray and you be thankful you have an somebody to do the thankless job.

Re: unconditional surrender should be the ultimatum of the PM

Posted: 23 Dec 2021, 13:56
by info
kibramlak, you need to calm down and see the reality free of emotions. Administrating Tigray is the biggest issue and where the government last time completely failed. Why? Because tigreans don't want any other administration other than TPLF. They refused to cooperate. The government could not get loyal leaders, public servants and security forces without those it is impossible to administer a region.

Yes, Tigray is as such semi independent but who cares as long as the people want it so? If the people of Tigray don't like this status then they should be supported in their struggle to free themselves from TPLF, otherwise and as long as they are fine with it, let them have their TPLF rule.

Of course the government has responsibility to guard the borders of Ethiopia from any attacks by foreigners and TPLF. That is the only task now the government should focus and not drag itself into administrating Tigray.

Those who are advocating for the occupation of Tigray by federal forces need first to show a workable formula how one can administrate a region in which the people refuse to cooperate to serve in the new administration. An administration without loyal public servants and without its own security forces and a police force etc. Until this equation is solved, the government is well-advised not to occupy Tigray. It should respect the will of the people and let TPLF shoulder all the mess.
kibramlak wrote:
23 Dec 2021, 11:52
Info,

I have similar question to you. If not Abiy's Ethiopia which needs to shoulder Tigray and Tplf, whoelse can do that ? What kind of reasoning is this? Or you mean that Tigray under tplf needs to either print its own money or get money through other external sources. Declaring a defacto independent state. Then, do you ever thought that this is what tplf and enemies of Ethiopia echoing for the last several months ? Because both tplf and foreign enemies will benefit from this situation. As you cannot choke millions of population deprived of everything, foreign elements will use their ultimate means to forcefully enter Tigray with the needed material support which will eventually topple Abiy himself or at the minimum start another round of war with Amhara to forcefully reclaim areas they had hold illegally during their reign of power. To be honest, Every Ethiopian must be ashamed with a leader who turned victories to loses and betray the people for the second time. Unbelievable !
info wrote:
23 Dec 2021, 11:17
Deqi-Arawit wrote:
23 Dec 2021, 11:01
Abiye is an incompetent leader Who has no clue what war is all about. and it seems he never learned from his own mistake to withdraw his troops without accomplishing their objectives prematurely during the last war .

This time, unless the PM eradicate the ideology of the leeches once and for all , peace and security will never prevail in the region, simply because the leeches are going to be tools to egypt, the West and every body Who can offer them 5 dollars to do their bidding. after all, the only reason why they tried to reach Addis Abeba was not because they wants to but to appease their Western masters.

The PM should order to eliminate Radio and tv woyane or supress them with Electronic means.

Unconditional surrender of the army or offer top echelon of the leeches to leave Ethiopia and seek asylum in Sudan.

This is how war is conducted, you can't leave your enemey to regain his lost strength, regroup and attack
Who is going to administer Tigray, if you remove TPLF from power? PM needs TPLF to administer Tigray as he has no interest in shouldering the huge burden of delivering aid and administering Tigray. Unless you are able to replace TPLF administration i.e. public servants from kebele, wereda to the regional level and also have a local police, liyu hail and militia force for the security, removing TPLF will only make you shoulder the burden yourself which is impossible.

You need alternative tigrean political force that can mobilize at least a few percentage of the people and is responsible for public service and security. Currently, none of that exits and the only organization that can deliver this for now is TPLF.

The US has also struggled to replace administrations in different countries. That is a hard job especially if you don't have a substantial support from the population. To administer Tigray, we have no alternative for now other than TPLF. None! Let the Tigray people deal with TPLF as obviously that is their choice. The government should only make sure that TPLF never ever can launch a significant offensive. Other than that let TPLF administer Tigray and you be thankful you have an somebody to do the thankless job.