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Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 08:47
by Zmeselo
The US is showing signs it wants to crawl back to Ethiopia, but in my humble opinion if a so called "partnership" (AGOA) can all of a sudden be used as a form of coercion/bludgeon then Ethiopia should tell them to shove it & find new partners. They're not the only ones with money.
C'mon, Ethiopia! Shock them/teach'em a lesson by declining their offer of re-admission, if it ever comes. Give them a lesson they'll never forget.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 09:08
by ZEMEN
Zmeselo wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 08:47
The US is showing signs it wants to crawl back to Ethiopia, but in my humble opinion if a so called "partnership" (AGOA) can all of a sudden be used as a form of coercion/bludgeon then Ethiopia should tell them to shove it & find new partners. They're not the only ones with money.
C'mon, Ethiopia! Shock them/teach'em a lesson by declining their offer of re-admission, if it ever comes. Give them a lesson they'll never forget.
I guess you don't know the mentality of Ethiopians. Eritreans always think that the US is their enemy, correctly so, but Ethiopians think the US is their friend and there is a mentality Ethiopia can't make it with out the US help state of mind crab. Point, Ethiopia will never refuse or so no AGOA.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 09:19
by sebdoyeley
Ethiopian is not in a position to do that, a country with more than 5 million beggars and more than 10 million safety net collectors. No way
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 10:09
by Temt
ZEMEN wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 09:08
Zmeselo wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 08:47
The US is showing signs it wants to crawl back to Ethiopia, but in my humble opinion if a so called "partnership" (AGOA) can all of a sudden be used as a form of coercion/bludgeon then Ethiopia should tell them to shove it & find new partners. They're not the only ones with money.
C'mon, Ethiopia! Shock them/teach'em a lesson by declining their offer of re-admission, if it ever comes. Give them a lesson they'll never forget.
I guess you don't know the mentality of Ethiopians. Eritreans always think that the US is their enemy, correctly so, but Ethiopians think the US is their friend and there is a mentality Ethiopia can't make it with out the US help state of mind crab. Point, Ethiopia will never refuse or so no AGOA.
I always wondered on the same line brother Zmeselo. But, as brother Zemen stated above, and if social media that are run by Ethiopians is any indication to go by, I am afraid our Ethiopian comrades may not have what it takes to do what you are suggesting. Even some social media outlets that seem to be in line with the government, like ESAT, for example, are sadly heard begging the US to remain "friend" with Ethiopia as if there was no life without America's handouts.
A case in point is this older man who conducts the ESAT English language interview (Gizaw?} literally begs his guests to help Ethiopia to remain America's "friend", little does he know, it takes two to tango.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 10:23
by Abere
The demand should have been straightforward - She should have asked TPLF to surrender hands to the Ethiopian government. Otherwise it reads like buying time so that TPLF could recuperate. AGOA is not a life saving manna from the sky while the most devil TPLF has caused such heinous crime never seen in humanity.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 11:36
by Fiyameta
For the average Ethiopian citizens, including Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed, Ethiopia without her soldiers is like God without His angels. Therefore, attacking the Ethiopian northern command forces while they were asleep is an unforgivable crime that shocks the conscience of the nation.
But for the elite class in the Ethiopian society that say “I don't care if it rains in Ethiopia, so long as it rains in Iowa,” they are totally oblivious to the existential threat the TPLF terrorist group poses to the nation, for they believe Ethiopia's fate is forever linked with the US and that, if the US wants to bring the TPLF back to power through negotiations and power sharing agreements, the Ethiopian elite are ok with it, so long as the Western media change their tunes and start singing about the "never colonized" Ethiopia to make the elite feel that they are "superior" to the previously-colonized Africans.
Comedian Chris Rock said," What do you want, a cookie?" 
2:09 Want credit for something you were supposed to do?
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 12:16
by Temt
Fiyameta wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 11:36
For the average Ethiopian citizens, including Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed, Ethiopia without her soldiers is like God without His angels. Therefore, attacking the Ethiopian northern command forces while they were asleep is an unforgivable crime that shocks the conscience of the nation.
But for the elite class in the Ethiopian society that say “I don't care if it rains in Ethiopia, so long as it rains in Iowa,” they are totally oblivious to the existential threat the TPLF terrorist group poses to the nation, for they believe Ethiopia's fate is forever linked with the US and that, if the US wants to bring the TPLF back to power through negotiations and power sharing agreements, the Ethiopian elite are ok with it, so long as the Western media change their tunes and start singing about the "never colonized" Ethiopia to make the elite feel that they are "superior" to the previously-colonized Africans.
Thanks, brother Fiyameta. I couldn't have stated it more eloquently. Long live the alliance among, the Horn of Africa nations, an alliance that benefits the entire region, but apparently, that gives some migraine headache to the masters of misery.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 12:41
by Tiago
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
In accordance with section 506A(a)(3)(B) of the Trade Act of 1974, as amended (19 U.S.C. 2466a (a)(3)(B)), I am providing advance notification of my intent to terminate the designation of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (Ethiopia), the Republic of Guinea (Guinea), and the Republic of Mali (Mali) as beneficiary sub-Saharan African countries under the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA).
I am taking this step as Ethiopia, Guinea, and Mali are not in compliance with the eligibility requirements of section 104 of the AGOA — in Ethiopia, for gross violations of internationally recognized human rights; in Guinea, for not having established, or not making continual progress toward establishing, the protection of the rule of law and of political pluralism; and in Mali, for not having established, or not making continual progress toward establishing, the protection of the rule of law, political pluralism, and internationally recognized worker rights, and for not addressing gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.
Despite intensive engagement between the United States and the Governments of Ethiopia, Guinea, and Mali, these governments have failed to address United States concerns about their non-compliance with the AGOA eligibility criteria.
Accordingly, I intend to terminate the designation of Ethiopia, Guinea, and Mali as beneficiary sub-Saharan African countries under the AGOA as of January 1, 2022. I will continue to assess whether the Governments of Ethiopia, Guinea, and Mali are making continual progress toward meeting the AGOA eligibility requirements.
JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR.
THE WHITE HOUSE,
November 2, 2021.
Has Ethiopia suddenly met the AGOA eligibility requirements?
Has Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed promised to backdown his war on terrorist TPLF?
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 12:56
by simbe11
I don’t agree with you here. Almost all of the pan-handlers and Safetynet recipients are from Tigray. Ethiopia can should tell the US to go to hell with AGOA and all the weevil stricken wheat.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 09:19
Ethiopian is not in a position to do that, a country with more than 5 million beggars and more than 10 million safety net collectors. No way
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 13:12
by Abere
ዘመናዊ የትግሬን ከብት ከበላበት ላይ አርቶ የሚተኛ እኛ ምን እንድናደርግ ፈልገው ነው? የሚጭኑላቸውን የስንዴ ጥሬ አራቸውን ይሩባችሁ ነው። ከብት መጠበቅ ስልችቶናል። We should not give a damn about this kind of stuff. The solution is one - eliminate TPLF. Anything short of this is you are letting the hyena to feast and [deleted] on you. And this is not acceptable by any sovereign country of the world.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 13:21
by Horus
The comments here shows how much folks here know about the dynamics of American domestic politics. Here is what is happening. The Ethiopian Americans & Eritreans had sent a shocking message to the democrats in the Virginia election and we are organizing a PAC throughout USA preparing for 2022 election. Most of the anti-Ethiopia democratic congress people are up for re-election in the 2022 mid-term. We have openly told them that we will go out on a protest vote for republicans to get rid of the democratic majority is the House. In other words, we will take away their power pass anti-Ethiopia laws.
Get it right! This is the politics.
As for AGOA, it is more symbolic than its economic significance. It is $270 million dollar annual business. The Ethiopian diaspora pumps 4 to 6 billion dollar per years into Ethiopia. Compare!
In the upcoming Gena Homecoming alone, we expect about 100 million dollar economic impact from Diaspora. But AGOA and other international finance issues have political, diplomatic, economic and soft power benefits for a nation like Ethiopia which aspires to become a regional power.
Ethiopia is not a bread [deleted] survivalist nation. We are the 2nd largest nation on the African continent with history and soft power equal to perhaps Iran. What we lack is economic power, we have a already a regional power in terms of influence and population. This means.....
We are not in a game of anger and isolation. We are in game of trading and relating with every country and dealing with every power as equal partners. Yes, we are friends with China! Yes, we are friends with Russia! Yes, we are friends with India! Yes, we are friends with Turkey, Iran and UAE. We will be friends with America, so long us it behaves just like other counties to engage in trade and diplomacy!
Karen Bass is talking about AGOA for her own political survival domestically. Ethiopia is fighting hold her rightful place in global geopolitics and commerce as an equal partner and negotiator regarding her affairs.
Look at India. She is the closest ally of Russia and buys her weapons from Russia and at the same time she is ally of America on pacific issues. China is a close friend of Ethiopia and Egypt at the same time, while Ethiopia and Egypt are enemies.
I will stop
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 13:53
by sebdoyeley
That is what I meant, when I say Ethiopians, I meant including the Agame,unless you stripped them their agame Ethiopianet.
simbe11 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 12:56
I don’t agree with you here. Almost all of the pan-handlers and Safetynet recipients are from Tigray. Ethiopia can should tell the US to go to hell with AGOA and all the weevil stricken wheat.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 09:19
Ethiopian is not in a position to do that, a country with more than 5 million beggars and more than 10 million safety net collectors. No way
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 14:53
by DefendTheTruth
Horus wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 13:21
The comments here shows how much folks here know about the dynamics of American domestic politics. Here is what is happening. The Ethiopian Americans & Eritreans had sent a shocking message to the democrats in the Virginia election and we are organizing a PAC throughout USA preparing for 2022 election. Most of the anti-Ethiopia democratic congress people are up for re-election in the 2022 mid-term. We have openly told them that we will go out on a protest vote for republicans to get rid of the democratic majority is the House. In other words, we will take away their power pass anti-Ethiopia laws.
Get it right! This is the politics.
As for AGOA, it is more symbolic than its economic significance. It is $270 million dollar annual business. The Ethiopian diaspora pumps 4 to 6 billion dollar per years into Ethiopia. Compare!
In the upcoming Gena Homecoming alone, we expect about 100 million dollar economic impact from Diaspora. But AGOA and other international finance issues have political, diplomatic, economic and soft power benefits for a nation like Ethiopia which aspires to become a regional power.
Ethiopia is not a bread [deleted] survivalist nation. We are the 2nd largest nation on the African continent with history and soft power equal to perhaps Iran. What we lack is economic power, we have a already a regional power in terms of influence and population. This means.....
We are not in a game of anger and isolation. We are in game of trading and relating with every country and dealing with every power as equal partners. Yes, we are friends with China! Yes, we are friends with Russia! Yes, we are friends with India! Yes, we are friends with Turkey, Iran and UAE. We will be friends with America, so long us it behaves just like other counties to engage in trade and diplomacy!
Karen Bass is talking about AGOA for her own political survival domestically. Ethiopia is fighting hold her rightful place in global geopolitics and commerce as an equal partner and negotiator regarding her affairs.
Look at India. She is the closest ally of Russia and buys her weapons from Russia and at the same time she is ally of America on pacific issues. China is a close friend of Ethiopia and Egypt at the same time, while Ethiopia and Egypt are enemies.
I will stop
I don't know the significance and ramifications of the termination of this AGOA issue, but any step that we take as Ethiopians hereafter should take the interests of our African brethren, who stood in solidarity with us in our time of need, into account.
United Africa is more worth than AGOA, China, America, Russia and others combined.
Africa is not poor, but systematically impoverished, which needs to stop, for Africa to rise.
Ethiopia's greatness spells from the freedom and justice prevailing on the African continent.
What the neocolonizers are seeking to achieve is dividing us and keeping us weak (as Africans), we have to be always mindful of this trap.
Africa can be a global super power if handled with diligence, Africans are enriching others before taking care of themselves and we are paying a heavy price for this.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 15:01
by simbe11
My advice to you is: go to Ethiopia, go to Bale and Arusi. Go to Gojam and Wollega. When you see these place and know what I am talking about, you will ask yourself "how is the world are these people even worry about a piece of bread". For Eritrean who brag about Ela-bered, you will be surprised. No bad intet here.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 13:53
That is what I meant, when I say Ethiopians, I meant including the Agame,unless you stripped them their agame Ethiopianet.
simbe11 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 12:56
I don’t agree with you here. Almost all of the pan-handlers and Safetynet recipients are from Tigray. Ethiopia can should tell the US to go to hell with AGOA and all the weevil stricken wheat.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 09:19
Ethiopian is not in a position to do that, a country with more than 5 million beggars and more than 10 million safety net collectors. No way
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 15:46
by ZEMEN
simbe11 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 15:01
My advice to you is: go to Ethiopia, go to Bale and Arusi. Go to Gojam and Wollega. When you see these place and know what I am talking about, you will ask yourself "how is the world are these people even worry about a piece of bread". For Eritrean who brag about Ela-bered, you will be surprised. No bad intet here.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 13:53
That is what I meant, when I say Ethiopians, I meant including the Agame,unless you stripped them their agame Ethiopianet.
simbe11 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 12:56
I don’t agree with you here. Almost all of the pan-handlers and Safetynet recipients are from Tigray. Ethiopia can should tell the US to go to hell with AGOA and all the weevil stricken wheat.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 09:19
Ethiopian is not in a position to do that, a country with more than 5 million beggars and more than 10 million safety net collectors. No way
In that case, why is Ethiopia depends on AID then? I know those places but for Ethiopia to feed her self Gojjam alone is enough but the question is what is the problem?
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 17 Dec 2021, 21:23
by Abaymado
I am bored. we should emancipate our selves from all kind of burdens and shackles. the AGOA can go to hell. whatever amount money can we get, we should value about our liberty.
America is on verge of collapsing and we should not help them to revive. Of course America can offer us without any precondition otherwise they can go to hell.
Re: Should Ethiopia, refuse?
Posted: 18 Dec 2021, 07:33
by sebdoyeley
You took it wrong, The Eritreans didn't throw out the aid NGO B/C they have enough to eat.
the Eritreans threw out the aid NGO B/C they chose to be a king in their empty home rather than a Bit'ch in their home with plenty to eat. for Eritreans, It is more about dignity persay.
simbe11 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 15:01
My advice to you is: go to Ethiopia, go to Bale and Arusi. Go to Gojam and Wollega. When you see these place and know what I am talking about, you will ask yourself "how is the world are these people even worry about a piece of bread". For Eritrean who brag about Ela-bered, you will be surprised. No bad intet here.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 13:53
That is what I meant, when I say Ethiopians, I meant including the Agame,unless you stripped them their agame Ethiopianet.
simbe11 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 12:56
I don’t agree with you here. Almost all of the pan-handlers and Safetynet recipients are from Tigray. Ethiopia can should tell the US to go to hell with AGOA and all the weevil stricken wheat.
sebdoyeley wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 09:19
Ethiopian is not in a position to do that, a country with more than 5 million beggars and more than 10 million safety net collectors. No way