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[DefendTheTruth]

Abiy Ahmed can be a brutal leader, but how can he be more brutal than that of the woyane's rule?

This is a man who said, I will make you to eat what you wish to eat, not what you can eat.

There were some videos starting to surface from many different directions, showing the atrocious crimes the woyane rule in Ethiopia committed against the citizens of the nation around the beginning of the current change. It was held-back later on, I think to guard the change process and protect the relationship between the different sections of the Ethiopian people.

It is also clear that the victims were from all regions of the country, but the majority and most brutal crackdown was from the Oromo region. I don't know how many Oromos were victimized in the whole of the 27 years rule of the entity, but modest estimates put the figure at around hundreds of thousands.

It could be in millions without any exaggeration.

What I am puzzled about here is how on earth some Oromo so called activists are aligning themselves now with the same woyane to fight against the government of PM Abiy Ahmed?

These so called activists are asking the entity to come and do the same or even worse to them (and the wider public) one more time, please!

Is these not puzzling? If this is not, then what could be more puzzling?

[Y3n3g3s3w]

I use to ask similar questions ፣ how/why did some Oromos support weyanie, how/why did some Amharas support weyanie, the somalis, the Gambellas , the Guragies and etc, when their fellow ethnic groups immensely suffer under weyanie. But over time I learnt that it has nothing to do with the individual being this ethnic group or that ethnic group. It’s all about ones own value, moral and integrity. Once one sell these human qualities to a highest bidder then there is no limit for ones betrayal tendencies, forget about your ethnic group or country, one will never blink an eye to betray own family.
I listed all the famous and infamous mainly diaspora Ethiopian activists and politicians irrespective of their ethnic group, and did a little experiment if there could possibly be a a relationship between ethnic origin and a tendency to be a traitor , surprisingly I discovered that there is no correlation between ones ethnicity and being a traitor. I therefore concluded that it is about ones upbringing, training and association. By association I mean whom did one socialize with especially during ones young age when one is expected to draw ones role models.
***Please do this little experiment on your own , you will be amazed, there is no correlation, none.
Well , I didn’t include weyanes in my experiment ( they will be outliers)

[Sadacha Macca]

I do not think those Oromo's you discuss, genuinely support tplf, as in, wanting them to once again get power at the center; it's more of a: the enemy of my enemy, is my ally. Not to mention we hear of the various atrocities inflicted on tigrayan mothers, elderly, kids, and feel the pain, because oromo's know all too well, how it feels to have those kind of things occur, and the oromo's know all too well, how brutal and inhumane the ethio army [under tplf, before them, and now] and the regional forces/militias are. no need to sugarcoat things or lie.
it's more, of, Sort of a, strategic alliance, such as the former alliance between the tplf and the eplf: as opposed to a genuine, alliance.
they see abiy's allies, and judge abiy by them, those allies being berhanu nega who openly spoke of his desire to get back into politics, to ''save ethiopia,'' from the type of oromo he encountered in prisons. I can post the lengthy, well written article, an oromo brother wrote on it a while back.
to sum it up: there is a popular belief among oromo nationalists, that abiy wishes to do away with federalism and go back to a more, centralized government, more akin to mengistu's and haile selassie's rule, which would mean the oromo would be targeted, more than tigrayans, because oromo's are among the biggest advocates for some kind of autonomous self rule, within an united Ethiopia, of course.

Those Oromo's see abiy as a traitor, and a member of the same opdo, that killed, maimed, and facilitated the rule of the tplf for so long.. which is all FACTS! Oromo's of Wallaga know abiy as a former spy, who used to help identify 'problematic oromos,'' aka, any oromo who opposed the tplf's iron-fisted rule and oppression, and then those oromo's would be tortured, raped, maimed, killed, etc.
The rest of the OPDO, is just as bad, if not worse, their entire existence being, or was, for the purpose of keeping the oromo subjugated, marginalized, exploited, etc. So, the oromo, some at least, would like a stronger, more nationalist party to reign in oromia, a party that would seek to address the oromo's concerns, as opposed to just wanting to be the ''7th king.''

[gearhead]

it wasnt supposed to be an incremental improvement between brutalities, but now that you have brought it,...doesnt it go without say that OPDO is the common denominator between the two ''brutalities''?

worse, the brutality now is for the atrocious implementation of the amhara agenda;a reactionary ideal of back in time! So then, be it by theory or practice, it is the childish house-galla OPDO that finds itself without cover.

That said, 27 years of uncorrected anomalies didnt benefit Tigray or TPLF either! Heck, they find themselves needing to have to start all over again, both economically and politically all the more, with a growing popular pressure to consider independence/confederation as an option;a sign that tigray is rejecting the past approaches of TPLF; given that its methods have led to a net negative outcome!

TDF isnt TPLF and TPLF cant come in the same form for many reasons. An excellent fighting force and yet extremely dependent than ever to stay loyal to the Oromo agenda!not so with your brutal SOB who thinks this is about him and owes his allegiance to the amhara/shabia agenda;penalty for which is curse for three generations down!!

Abiy Ahmed can be a brutal leader, but how can he be more brutal than that of the woyane's rule?

This is a man who said, I will make you to eat what you wish to eat, not what you can eat.

There were some videos starting to surface from many different directions, showing the atrocious crimes the woyane rule in Ethiopia committed against the citizens of the nation around the beginning of the current change. It was held-back later on, I think to guard the change process and protect the relationship between the different sections of the Ethiopian people.

It is also clear that the victims were from all regions of the country, but the majority and most brutal crackdown was from the Oromo region. I don't know how many Oromos were victimized in the whole of the 27 years rule of the entity, but modest estimates put the figure at around hundreds of thousands.

It could be in millions without any exaggeration.

What I am puzzled about here is how on earth some Oromo so called activists are aligning themselves now with the same woyane to fight against the government of PM Abiy Ahmed?

These so called activists are asking the entity to come and do the same or even worse to them (and the wider public) one more time, please!

Is these not puzzling? If this is not, then what could be more puzzling?

[Tota66]

DTT, after reading so many of your comments, you sound like an SS/Gestapo foot soldier to me. Are you pretending not to know what the situation is in this country? BS! Your PM crossed the red line (for Fashism!) long a go.

[Y3n3g3s3w]

Gearhead,

a-a-a….call it TDF or TPLF, it doesn’t matter, your appeal to the people of Oromo to come to your rescue will 100% be rejected as long as there a “T” in the name-Let’s be honest . I told you the other day but I will say it again-Ethiopian have spitted out that “T” there and they are not going take it back, period!

it wasnt supposed to be an incremental improvement between brutalities, but now that you have brought it,...doesnt it go without say that OPDO is the common denominator between the two ''brutalities''?

worse, the brutality now is for the atrocious implementation of the amhara agenda;a reactionary ideal of back in time! So then, be it by theory or practice, it is the childish house-galla OPDO that finds itself without cover.

That said, 27 years of uncorrected anomalies didnt benefit Tigray or TPLF either! Heck, they find themselves needing to have to start all over again, both economically and politically all the more, with a growing popular pressure to consider independence/confederation as an option;a sign that tigray is rejecting the past approaches of TPLF; given that its methods have led to a net negative outcome!

TDF isnt TPLF and TPLF cant come in the same form for many reasons. An excellent fighting force and yet extremely dependent than ever to stay loyal to the Oromo agenda!not so with your brutal SOB who thinks this is about him and owes his allegiance to the amhara/shabia agenda;penalty for which is curse for three generations down!!

Abiy Ahmed can be a brutal leader, but how can he be more brutal than that of the woyane's rule?

This is a man who said, I will make you to eat what you wish to eat, not what you can eat.

There were some videos starting to surface from many different directions, showing the atrocious crimes the woyane rule in Ethiopia committed against the citizens of the nation around the beginning of the current change. It was held-back later on, I think to guard the change process and protect the relationship between the different sections of the Ethiopian people.

It is also clear that the victims were from all regions of the country, but the majority and most brutal crackdown was from the Oromo region. I don't know how many Oromos were victimized in the whole of the 27 years rule of the entity, but modest estimates put the figure at around hundreds of thousands.

It could be in millions without any exaggeration.

What I am puzzled about here is how on earth some Oromo so called activists are aligning themselves now with the same woyane to fight against the government of PM Abiy Ahmed?

These so called activists are asking the entity to come and do the same or even worse to them (and the wider public) one more time, please!

Is these not puzzling? If this is not, then what could be more puzzling?

[Aba]

Weyin beAl sirre has done so much for Ethiopia. That's what he's saying. While, higdef mendef keeps Eritrea aka Singapoor in the Stone Age robbing the country. You need to be puzzled, fool.

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[DefendTheTruth]

DTT, after reading so many of your comments, you sound like an SS/Gestapo foot soldier to me. Are you pretending not to know what the situation is in this country? BS! Your PM crossed the red line (for Fashism!) long a go.

The issue here is not about my personality, it is about objective comparison of two entities. If you dare then put up your case, else admit that it is beyond what you can ever comprehend and move on.

[James Dahl]

The Prosperty Party is the same party as the EPRDF minus TPLF, why would they be different? Did you honestly think all the bad stuff was just TPLF? Abiy was the deputy director of Meles Zenawi's secret police and torture agency.

[DefendTheTruth]

The Prosperty Party is the same party as the EPRDF minus TPLF, why would they be different? Did you honestly think all the bad stuff was just TPLF? Abiy was the deputy director of Meles Zenawi's secret police and torture agency.

You went back to search for your spare nick just to make such silly claim.

Comparison is supposed to be based on what we see practically, not based on un invisible theories and imaginary postulates.

Abiy Ahmed's government has visibly made the average life conditions of the Ethiopian people better, not worse, in comparison to TPLF.

If you dare, then go and disprove this claim based on facts, else just keep everything to yourself and move on.

[DefendTheTruth]

I do not think those Oromo's you discuss, genuinely support tplf, as in, wanting them to once again get power at the center; it's more of a: the enemy of my enemy, is my ally. Not to mention we hear of the various atrocities inflicted on tigrayan mothers, elderly, kids, and feel the pain, because oromo's know all too well, how it feels to have those kind of things occur, and the oromo's know all too well, how brutal and inhumane the ethio army [under tplf, before them, and now] and the regional forces/militias are. no need to sugarcoat things or lie.
it's more, of, Sort of a, strategic alliance, such as the former alliance between the tplf and the eplf: as opposed to a genuine, alliance.
they see abiy's allies, and judge abiy by them, those allies being berhanu nega who openly spoke of his desire to get back into politics, to ''save ethiopia,'' from the type of oromo he encountered in prisons. I can post the lengthy, well written article, an oromo brother wrote on it a while back.
to sum it up: there is a popular belief among oromo nationalists, that abiy wishes to do away with federalism and go back to a more, centralized government, more akin to mengistu's and haile selassie's rule, which would mean the oromo would be targeted, more than tigrayans, because oromo's are among the biggest advocates for some kind of autonomous self rule, within an united Ethiopia, of course.

Those Oromo's see abiy as a traitor, and a member of the same opdo, that killed, maimed, and facilitated the rule of the tplf for so long.. which is all FACTS! Oromo's of Wallaga know abiy as a former spy, who used to help identify 'problematic oromos,'' aka, any oromo who opposed the tplf's iron-fisted rule and oppression, and then those oromo's would be tortured, raped, maimed, killed, etc.
The rest of the OPDO, is just as bad, if not worse, their entire existence being, or was, for the purpose of keeping the oromo subjugated, marginalized, exploited, etc. So, the oromo, some at least, would like a stronger, more nationalist party to reign in oromia, a party that would seek to address the oromo's concerns, as opposed to just wanting to be the ''7th king.''

At the same time, saving one's country is not a sin, attempting to dismantle it is a traitorism, on the other hand. At the same time also the meaning of democracy is the freedom of aspiring to achieve a given goal, including the wish to have a favorable position in the collection. Those disfavored should also be free to defend themselves. Democracy is system where the majority rules, it is upto the players to have the majority vote and gain the favorable position in the arrangement.

It will not work, if your aspiration is just seeking to have a favorable postion and failing to do so, then turn to the asipiration of dismantling the country as a whole.

At the same time also, we have seen two more regions attaining the status of full self rule in the federation, within the last 3 or so years, which they didn't have during the preceeding 27 years. If selfrule is what you have been seeking all along, then the claim that you are against the current government is self-defeating for itself.

At the same time also, a claim Oromo is subjugated in a country where the Oromos themselves are leading the country is another point where the claim is self-defeating.

I can go on and go on... none of your claims bear grain of truth.

So, don't beat around the bush, the reason must have been something else. Facts don't support your claims.

[TGAA]

I don't know why you are puzzled Ethiopia hater Oromos siding with conditionally hating Tigrayans. For minority Tigrayans any democratic move to one man one vote system going to hummer the last nail in their coffin to disproportionate privilege they have enjoyed for 27 years. Of all things that irritate weyannes nothing come close tha a talk of a democratic dispensation of power, rather than the coming about democratic governance they rather see the disintegration of Ethiopia; in hope of being the central player both economically and politically. A center all weak break up states pay homage to.
For Oromo haters of Ethiopia the greatest obstacles to their dominance is the existence of Amharas.Amhars are close to equal with Oromos and have an edge because Amharic is a lingua franca of Ethiopia. So to bring about their domination Ethiopia as we know it has to go down. For them though their initial point differese they agree with weyanns on the end. Weyanne want the destruction because it is coming as a determinant force is none existence; for those Ultra Oromo nationalist their hope is the destruction going to bring compound benefits of swallowing Addis, which is 60% of the Ethiopian economy in their fold thus creating Ethiopia on their image. But both ends are miscalculated in assumption either the Ethiopians don't have the power to fight off or an assumption that their cake has been humperd by Abiy and once he is taken care of the only thing that is left to do is pop the champagne .
A side note: only when gearhead sprinkles Amharas as the cause of all Ethiopian problem he becomes so generous as to how he is going to partition Ethiopia to those awaiting in the wing with TDF lead by Debretsion and Getache .. a new weyane blood fusing in..

[TGAA]

I don't know why you are puzzled Ethiopia hater Oromos siding with conditionally hating Tigrayans. For minority Tigrayans any democratic move to one man one vote system going to hummer the last nail in their coffin to disproportionate privilege they have enjoyed for 27 years. Of all things that irritate weyannes nothing come close tha a talk of a democratic way of sharing power, so rather than the coming about ofdemocratic governance they rather see the disintegration of Ethiopia; in hope of being the central player both economically and politically in the horn region. A center for all weak break up states to pay homage to.
For Oromo haters of Ethiopia the greatest obstacles to their dominance is the existence of Amharas.Amhars are close to equal with Oromos and have an edge because Amharic is a lingua franca of Ethiopia. So to bring about their domination Ethiopia as we know it has to go down. For them though their initial point differ,but they agree with weyanns on the end. Weyanne want the destruction because weyannes coming as a determinant force is none existence in the future ; for those Ultra Oromo nationalist their hope is the destruction going to bring compound benefits of swallowing Addis, which is 60% of the Ethiopian economy in their fold thus creating Ethiopia on their image effortless. But both ends are miscalculated in assumption either the Ethiopians don't have the power to fight off or an assumption that their cake walk has been hampered by Abiy and once he is taken care of the only thing that is left to do is pop the champagne .
A side note: only when gearhead sprinkles Amharas as the cause of all Ethiopian problem he becomes so generous as to how he is going to partition Ethiopia to those awaiting in the wing with TDF lead by Debretsion and Getache .. a new weyane blood just fused in time..

[DefendTheTruth]

I use to ask similar questions ፣ how/why did some Oromos support weyanie, how/why did some Amharas support weyanie, the somalis, the Gambellas , the Guragies and etc, when their fellow ethnic groups immensely suffer under weyanie. But over time I learnt that it has nothing to do with the individual being this ethnic group or that ethnic group. It’s all about ones own value, moral and integrity. Once one sell these human qualities to a highest bidder then there is no limit for ones betrayal tendencies, forget about your ethnic group or country, one will never blink an eye to betray own family.
I listed all the famous and infamous mainly diaspora Ethiopian activists and politicians irrespective of their ethnic group, and did a little experiment if there could possibly be a a relationship between ethnic origin and a tendency to be a traitor , surprisingly I discovered that there is no correlation between ones ethnicity and being a traitor. I therefore concluded that it is about ones upbringing, training and association. By association I mean whom did one socialize with especially during ones young age when one is expected to draw ones role models.
***Please do this little experiment on your own , you will be amazed, there is no correlation, none.
Well , I didn’t include weyanes in my experiment ( they will be outliers)

May be you have a point, in my view. After all the claim of calling the name of a collection is just a cover up. TPLF was rich to the teeth during the 27 years of brutalizing the rest and pillaging their resources in all directions rule, except to the poor sector of their own region. We learned, after the demise of Woyane's rule, that there is a sizeable portion of the Tigray population that lived under the so called safety-net scheme, another term for poverty, all along those years.

One thing I realized to the core is that Woyane was a collection of greedies, the actors inside got over-rich, while those outside of it were condemned to extreme poverty and plight of subjugation, with this second part being the overwhelming majority in terms of size. This would going to be the single main catalyst to engineer the demise of its own architects at the end.

Perhaps greed is one major factor.

The current splinters of the Oromo camp also clearly show such traits, at the beginning their demand has all been about sharing power, which is considered the main leeway to the other favors.

Once the available power positions proved itself that it will not accommodate all the demands, then they turned immediately to the same old tactics of mobilizing the unsuspecting young people and agitating them to destroy everything in front of them. That tactic has now been, it seems, exposed and the youth said, no I can't remain a tool for you, and now they have to go as far as the idea of making an alliance with their own one time tormentors. A moral debacle by itself.

[Sadacha Macca]

I do not think those Oromo's you discuss, genuinely support tplf, as in, wanting them to once again get power at the center; it's more of a: the enemy of my enemy, is my ally. Not to mention we hear of the various atrocities inflicted on tigrayan mothers, elderly, kids, and feel the pain, because oromo's know all too well, how it feels to have those kind of things occur, and the oromo's know all too well, how brutal and inhumane the ethio army [under tplf, before them, and now] and the regional forces/militias are. no need to sugarcoat things or lie.
it's more, of, Sort of a, strategic alliance, such as the former alliance between the tplf and the eplf: as opposed to a genuine, alliance.
they see abiy's allies, and judge abiy by them, those allies being berhanu nega who openly spoke of his desire to get back into politics, to ''save ethiopia,'' from the type of oromo he encountered in prisons. I can post the lengthy, well written article, an oromo brother wrote on it a while back.
to sum it up: there is a popular belief among oromo nationalists, that abiy wishes to do away with federalism and go back to a more, centralized government, more akin to mengistu's and haile selassie's rule, which would mean the oromo would be targeted, more than tigrayans, because oromo's are among the biggest advocates for some kind of autonomous self rule, within an united Ethiopia, of course.

Those Oromo's see abiy as a traitor, and a member of the same opdo, that killed, maimed, and facilitated the rule of the tplf for so long.. which is all FACTS! Oromo's of Wallaga know abiy as a former spy, who used to help identify 'problematic oromos,'' aka, any oromo who opposed the tplf's iron-fisted rule and oppression, and then those oromo's would be tortured, raped, maimed, killed, etc.
The rest of the OPDO, is just as bad, if not worse, their entire existence being, or was, for the purpose of keeping the oromo subjugated, marginalized, exploited, etc. So, the oromo, some at least, would like a stronger, more nationalist party to reign in oromia, a party that would seek to address the oromo's concerns, as opposed to just wanting to be the ''7th king.''

At the same time, saving one's country is not a sin, attempting to dismantle it is a traitorism, on the other hand. At the same time also the meaning of democracy is the freedom of aspiring to achieve a given goal, including the wish to have a favorable position in the collection. Those disfavored should also be free to defend themselves. Democracy is system where the majority rules, it is upto the players to have the majority vote and gain the favorable position in the arrangement.

It will not work, if your aspiration is just seeking to have a favorable postion and failing to do so, then turn to the asipiration of dismantling the country as a whole.

At the same time also, we have seen two more regions attaining the status of full self rule in the federation, within the last 3 or so years, which they didn't have during the preceeding 27 years. If selfrule is what you have been seeking all along, then the claim that you are against the current government is self-defeating for itself.

At the same time also, a claim Oromo is subjugated in a country where the Oromos themselves are leading the country is another point where the claim is self-defeating.

I can go on and go on... none of your claims bear grain of truth.

So, don't beat around the bush, the reason must have been something else. Facts don't support your claims.

So, let the Oromo masses decide their fate freely, then, without doing what the typically oppressive dictators do; which is arresting, exiling, etc, the so called ''opposition.''
Let them vote on who they want to rule Oromia, be if the OFC-OLF coalition, or the same party that enabled the raping, looting and subjugation of their land and people since the 1990's- Abiy's party.
Let them vote on whether they want: complete independence, or an autonomous Oromo state.
Countries are what, again? Geographical entities, composed of what again? People. Those people, their dreams, their hopes, their fears, their LIVES and HONOR are worth more than the LAND; unless you are of the mentality of tyrants like Haile Selassie, who is famed for saying: ''we do not need the Eritrean people, we only need their land [and of course, the sea access].''
So, if the people feel they are not represented fairly, treated fairly, etc, in this geographical entity, let them vote on what they feel is the best way forward.
I for one, am not advocating for ''dismantling'' anything, nor am I desiring the return of the TPLF to power, Allaah/God forbid that, but I believe in the Oromo masses and their ability to collectively decide what's best for them.


An Oromo tyrant ... can and most certainly would subjugate his people, if his power and bank account means more to him, than his people, you're wrong and it's simply naive to think that an Oromo being at the helm of power would somehow mean that the Oromo's are no longer subjugated. A man's track record matters and the entire party of Abiy's track record is tainted, with being opportunists who enabled the looting of the same tplf that we all detest. So, an objective person could not, or would not, blame us Oromo's, for wanting a more nationalist, party whose track record isn't tainted with being mercenaries for a group of elites, who profited from the subjugation, exploitation, and oppression, of their own people.

[EPRDF]

We have two Ethiopia.

One, the Amhara Ethiopia of Solomonite that Abiy wanted to resurrect to be its seventh ATSE.

Two, despite all its shortcomings, the Woyane Ethiopia of the multinational that cherishes diversity.

Oromos chose the latter because they see some room accommodated for their nation. They rather prefer to live subjugated under the latter than to live under the former.

After all, no permanent enemy or friend but a permanent interest in politics right. So what makes the Oromo cause exception?