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Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by Sadacha Macca » 10 Sep 2021, 17:52

''Certainly, in the early years of the 21st century, the TPLF appeared increasingly besieged, with a mentality to match, at the heart of the Ethiopian polity; for that reason, too, many Tigrayans rejected the movement, for they saw it as ultimately jeopardizing Tigray itself, and exposing it to some violent future backlash, as had befallen the Amhara in the 1980s. It was increasingly common to hear mutterings that Tigray was in effect being 'held hostage' by the TPLF..''

[Frontiers of Violence in North-East Africa: Genealogies of Conflict Since C.1800
By Richard J. Reid, Page 216]

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Re: Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by eden » 10 Sep 2021, 18:02

This is what I posted 10 years ago:
eden wrote:
20 Jan 2012, 12:46
i hope and i pray the two aig'ame elites do not take us to another destructive war. as long as power is concentrated, tensions will continue. the solution is to devolve power away from the two cousins. non aig'ame elites in both countries have less incentive/ ego to prove to eachother. stability requires power be redistributed in both countries.

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Re: Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by free-tembien » 10 Sep 2021, 18:08

eden wrote:
10 Sep 2021, 18:02
This is what I posted 10 years ago:
eden wrote:
20 Jan 2012, 12:46
i hope and i pray the two aig'ame elites do not take us to another destructive war. as long as power is concentrated, tensions will continue. the solution is to devolve power away from the two cousins. non aig'ame elites in both countries have less incentive/ ego to prove to eachother. stability requires power be redistributed in both countries.
tbh what sadacha wrote has nothing to do with what you wrote. you are addicted to attaching yourself to eritreans, you can't stand by your own. that is all about your post. the reality is many ethiopians have seen your so called two agames are in fact different spices

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Re: Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by eden » 10 Sep 2021, 18:25

Temben

I'm aware topic is one tigrigna speaker and I'm speaking to that. I can't break the paragraph and still convey the message. Readers are intelligent enough to get it. It's you who reacted and made this about the other tigrigna speaker. You are funny.

Now that you brought it up, I tell you the two tigrigna speaking elites cannot escape backlash. This is common sense. You concentrate power and it becomes inevitable. This is what the topic is. This is not unique to the two Tegaru. This is universal truth. You rule today, you pay tomorrow. As simple as that. Solution is just don't concentrate power but share.

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Re: Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by Sadacha Macca » 08 Jun 2022, 15:29

This is as relevant today, as it was yesterday...

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Re: Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by MINILIK » 08 Jun 2022, 16:15

In modern Ethiopian history, Tigrayans were largely irrelevant until recently. Even during the second Ethio/Italian war they actually helped the Italians conquer Ethiopia. It is hard to imagine them having a future as part of Ethiopia. Normal Tigrayans are nice and down-to-earth, but the elites made them hateful warmongers, which is very hard when you are 5% of the population. They don't know their limits and rely heavily on western power. Their goal is to become the Israel of East Africa, which is really funny to me. Because they have no resources or the brain for it. Right after the failed invasion, I was in Wollo, and what I witnessed was scary. I mean you have to understand why more than half of the population join Fano. they want revenge. There is a reason behind it, why Wollo never submit to Tewodros or nearly killed Menelik in action. They are one of the bravest and deadliest fighters in history. This war will never be over, we will fight for centuries to come. I don't see any solution, to be honest with you.

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Re: Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by Halay Anseba » 08 Jun 2022, 20:12

Menelik,
To begin with, are there any people more relying on foreign power than the Shoa led Ethiopia? Menilik depended on French, Italian and Russian armaments to conquer Ethiopia. Haileselassie depended on the British to free Ethiopia from Italy and on the British royal air force to suppress the first woyane revolt. Mengitsu relied on Cuba and Russia to fight Somalia, Shabia and Woyane. Most recently, Abiy depended on Eritrean forces and Arab, Turkish and Chinese drones to save himself from being overthrown by the Tigray forces. Tigray's population constitutes at least 6 percent per official statistics. Even then, 7 million people is not insignificant. How many countries have a population of less than 7 million? Do your homework. Tigray's population exceeds the population of many countries. Its land size is also greater than many countries in the World including that of Israel, whose land is 70 percent the Negev desert and which has little natural resources. With all its natural resources, the DRC is a hallmark of all human misery.This refutes your theory that natural resources are determining factors for development. Tigray has semi-arid areas which resulted from deforestation and soil degradation linked to the practice of farming for thousands of years. Despite your insults, Tigray has outstandingly courageous and hard working people. Between 1991-2018, through their hard work the Tigray people were able to change the environment in Tigray by making the land more productive. For that, Tigray received an an international award around 2018. Also, when Tigreans are free from the shackles of not under the yoke of others, they were able to transform not only Tigray but the entire Ethiopia in all economic sectors and infrastructure. The Shoa backward and apartheid like feudal governance and the Derg's military tyranny impoverished Tigray and you blame it on the people of Tigray as 'having no brain.' Unfortunately, several years of disinformation and hate mongering against Tigray, which emanated from envy coupled with the rise to power of a delusional narcissistic and barbaric tyrant individual, has led to the genocide of the people of Tigray. During the second Italian invasion of Ethiopia, there were more Amara bandas, who sided with the Italians (eg. Ras Hailu Teklehaimanot, Negadras Afework Gebreyesus to name a few). than Tigreans.
MINILIK wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 16:15
In modern Ethiopian history, Tigrayans were largely irrelevant until recently. Even during the second Ethio/Italian war they actually helped the Italians conquer Ethiopia. It is hard to imagine them having a future as part of Ethiopia. Normal Tigrayans are nice and down-to-earth, but the elites made them hateful warmongers, which is very hard when you are 5% of the population. They don't know their limits and rely heavily on western power. Their goal is to become the Israel of East Africa, which is really funny to me. Because they have no resources or the brain for it. Right after the failed invasion, I was in Wollo, and what I witnessed was scary. I mean you have to understand why more than half of the population join Fano. they want revenge. There is a reason behind it, why Wollo never submit to Tewodros or nearly killed Menelik in action. They are one of the bravest and deadliest fighters in history. This war will never be over, we will fight for centuries to come. I don't see any solution, to be honest with you.

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Re: Sadly, some Tigrayans were wise enough to see what TPLF's actions were going to bring!

Post by sun » 08 Jun 2022, 20:37

MINILIK wrote:
08 Jun 2022, 16:15
In modern Ethiopian history, Tigrayans were largely irrelevant until recently. Even during the second Ethio/Italian war they actually helped the Italians conquer Ethiopia. It is hard to imagine them having a future as part of Ethiopia. Normal Tigrayans are nice and down-to-earth, but the elites made them hateful warmongers, which is very hard when you are 5% of the population. They don't know their limits and rely heavily on western power. Their goal is to become the Israel of East Africa, which is really funny to me. Because they have no resources or the brain for it. Right after the failed invasion, I was in Wollo, and what I witnessed was scary. I mean you have to understand why more than half of the population join Fano. they want revenge. There is a reason behind it, why Wollo never submit to Tewodros or nearly killed Menelik in action. They are one of the bravest and deadliest fighters in history. This war will never be over, we will fight for centuries to come. I don't see any solution, to be honest with you.
Because of such backward ways of negative thinking style Ethiopia as a whole remained a backward underdeveloped beggar country remaining as a laughing stock among all the other folks. Mind you, if we try to put our difference aside, focus on the positive side as well as past common achievements and the great potential of the future, I tell we may be able to network and even come to rule over the whole planet now that global powers seem to be in the process of getting rearranged slowly but surely. Why should we keep getting bitter and bitter and try to rearrange villages here and villages there when others are bent on rearranging the planet as a whole? 8)

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