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Zmeselo wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2021, 19:07

Israel, New Zealand, Saudi arabia, United Kingdom and Canada- like Eritrea- does have uncodified constitution also reffered as unwritten constitution. An “uncodified constitution” is a constitution made up of rules that are found from various documents, in the absence of a single document or written constitution.

It seems you are going off the script. The ayatollah has said Eritrean constitution has died. ሞይቱ'ዩ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj1zSt7kQ9Q&t=18s

eden wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2021, 18:36

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eden wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2021, 18:36

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sarcasm wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2021, 20:22

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

01 Sep 2021, 19:07

Israel, New Zealand, Saudi arabia, United Kingdom and Canada- like Eritrea- does have uncodified constitution also reffered as unwritten constitution. An “uncodified constitution” is a constitution made up of rules that are found from various documents, in the absence of a single document or written constitution.

It seems you are going off the script. The ayatollah has said Eritrean constitution has died. ሞይቱ'ዩ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj1zSt7kQ9Q&t=18s

eden wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 04:22

Dawi

In defense of Reyot, the timing has more to do with the guest than the host. The guest never granted interview in Amharic which is Reyot's only language of programming. I think the guest underestimated his Amharic and now is trying to reach out wider audience in his quest to transfer his knowledge to the ignorant elites of the region so it leads to understanding and peace. The war and backwardness is really the result of ignorance and this man is on a mission.

Reyot preresented this below interview with another Eritrean intellectual before the war. This shows Reyot always has space for Eritreans who love Ethiopian people. Such individuals are different from HGDEF because they love the Ethiopian people - unlike HGDEF that loves to use Ethiopian groups like weyane, G7, PP to help it come and stay in power. It's sad you failed to see that and this is pure ignorance. I'm saying this to you as one Eritrean. It's a shame, truly!

P.S. you made me laugh saying HGDEF is pro Ethiopia lol they are pro anything that they think extends the regime - anything including alliance with fellow dictatorship regimes.

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 02:30

For one, I follow no script; hence "zmeselo"! Secondly, my point with the post was to prove countries can exist & prosper with no constitution. There're rules & regulations in Eritrea that people follow, eventhough all those rules are not compiled in 1 book.

THE VALUE OF ERITREAN CUSTOMARY LAWS

NOVEMBER 22, 2019


The Eritrean people apply customary laws in many situations to attain love, peace and reconciliation through forgiveness.

BY STELLA AMANUEL | ERITREA PROFILE

Customary laws set acceptable standards and norms in a given society, and the Eritrean people practice dispute resolution mechanism by using customary laws with a view to achieving reconciliation. It is common for the elderly to act as mediators, conciliators and arbitrators in all kinds of disputes.

Unlike the Western practice, which is retributive, Eritrean customary laws are attributed to restorative justice. The customary laws advocate restoring the wrong doer to society and harmonizing him or her with the community and attaining peaceful co-existence.

The Eritrean customary laws do not recognize the distinction between private and public wrongs, which is the case with the Penal Code. They consider all wrong doing as private in nature. In the old days self-help was the hall mark of customary law.

If a person is proven to have committed a homicide, the victim’s family have the right, in abstract theory, to avenge the homicide with counter-action. To put it in another way, if someone murders a person, the relatives of the deceased may take retribution on anyone from the killer’s family.

In practice, the norm is to seek reconciliation and redress the wrong through marriage or acceptance of monetary compensation.

Recently there was an instance of some guy, who was run over by a car. Unfortunately, the victim lost a lot of blood and died. It was a painful reality to face, for the parents of both the deceased and the driver. Then the parents of the driver went to the family of the deceased, to offer money and other presents. But the victim’s family refused to accept the offer, claiming that the driver did not intend to run over their son. The two families reconciled.

This is the heart of Eritreans, securing peace through forgiveness and reconciliation. In some cases disputants solve their case themselves, without involving third parties. In some other instances, disputants submit their case to a third party called ‘shimagle’. ‘Shimglna’ is a dispute resolution institution that encompasses all types of arbitration, mediation and negotiation.

The ‘shimagle’ may be self-appointed, or nominated by the disputants. Most of the time, the ‘shimagle’ is an elderly person, a religious leader, or a local or community administrator. He has to have wide acceptability by the community, be eloquent and fair. Settlements can be initiated without the knowledge of the disputant parties, upon the consent of relatives. There is often no resistance to the authority of the ‘shimagle’.

The ‘shimagle’ might hide some facts and offers made by one party, if they find them to be offensive to the other party, and try to get the parties to compromise. The ‘shimagle’ are not paid and are not compensated for any expenses they may incur.



The proceedings by the ‘shimagle’ take place in an open air, under the shades of trees, in private houses or any other place agreed upon by the concerned parties. Working as part of the ‘shimagle’ is considered a public duty and people tend to take it wholeheartedly. The subject matters of arbitration tend to be family matters such as inheritance, divorce and property.

Eritrean customary laws and dispute resolutions

In Eritrean customary traditions, disputes are mostly resolved through a third party called “Shimglna” that consists of an elderly or religious leader that is acceptable by both parties.

The elderly dealt with many disputes and helped bring about peace in our society, for a long time. The customary laws contributed a lot in resolving disputes, by upholding the principle of love and harmony.

The Eritrean people apply customary laws in many situations to attain love, peace and reconciliation through forgiveness. This they do not only among themselves, but also in their dealings with others.

Sabur wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 08:31

PLEASE !

What are the Rules not compiled in One Book that the Eritrean People follow ?

What was the reason for all the man power, resources, and time spent to draft the constitution, which was initially accepted and ONLY to be rejected 20 years later without any reason ?

“The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting” - Kundera

Where is "The New Constitution that is being drafted " the president told the Eritrean People on National TV ?

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 02:30

For one, I follow no script; hence "zmeselo"! Secondly, my point with the post was to prove countries can exist & prosper with no constitution. There're rules & regulations in Eritrea that people follow, eventhough all those rules are not compiled in 1 book.

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 10:39

* the ten commandaments

* hgi enda'ba

Come to mind, unless one considers the Eritrean people and society as lawless.

Do we need a constitution? If the majority are for it, then I'm for it too.

And one thing I want to add to Eritreans like you is that I don't talk to Eritreans, in the manner I talk to ugumes- like the 1 who opened this thread- because I know what their intentions are in raising such issues that doesn't concern them at all. I talk to them, disrespectfully. Then suddenly people like you appear who take that personally & start interrogating me, completely missing the fact I'm not addressing any Eritrean. I just don't get it, even after being on this forum for 2 decades now.

THE VALUE OF ERITREAN CUSTOMARY LAWS

NOVEMBER 22, 2019


The Eritrean people apply customary laws in many situations to attain love, peace and reconciliation through forgiveness.

BY STELLA AMANUEL | ERITREA PROFILE

Customary laws set acceptable standards and norms in a given society, and the Eritrean people practice dispute resolution mechanism by using customary laws with a view to achieving reconciliation. It is common for the elderly to act as mediators, conciliators and arbitrators in all kinds of disputes.

Unlike the Western practice, which is retributive, Eritrean customary laws are attributed to restorative justice. The customary laws advocate restoring the wrong doer to society and harmonizing him or her with the community and attaining peaceful co-existence.

The Eritrean customary laws do not recognize the distinction between private and public wrongs, which is the case with the Penal Code. They consider all wrong doing as private in nature. In the old days self-help was the hall mark of customary law.

If a person is proven to have committed a homicide, the victim’s family have the right, in abstract theory, to avenge the homicide with counter-action. To put it in another way, if someone murders a person, the relatives of the deceased may take retribution on anyone from the killer’s family.

In practice, the norm is to seek reconciliation and redress the wrong through marriage or acceptance of monetary compensation.

Recently there was an instance of some guy, who was run over by a car. Unfortunately, the victim lost a lot of blood and died. It was a painful reality to face, for the parents of both the deceased and the driver. Then the parents of the driver went to the family of the deceased, to offer money and other presents. But the victim’s family refused to accept the offer, claiming that the driver did not intend to run over their son. The two families reconciled.

This is the heart of Eritreans, securing peace through forgiveness and reconciliation. In some cases disputants solve their case themselves, without involving third parties. In some other instances, disputants submit their case to a third party called ‘shimagle’. ‘Shimglna’ is a dispute resolution institution that encompasses all types of arbitration, mediation and negotiation.

The ‘shimagle’ may be self-appointed, or nominated by the disputants. Most of the time, the ‘shimagle’ is an elderly person, a religious leader, or a local or community administrator. He has to have wide acceptability by the community, be eloquent and fair. Settlements can be initiated without the knowledge of the disputant parties, upon the consent of relatives. There is often no resistance to the authority of the ‘shimagle’.

The ‘shimagle’ might hide some facts and offers made by one party, if they find them to be offensive to the other party, and try to get the parties to compromise. The ‘shimagle’ are not paid and are not compensated for any expenses they may incur.



The proceedings by the ‘shimagle’ take place in an open air, under the shades of trees, in private houses or any other place agreed upon by the concerned parties. Working as part of the ‘shimagle’ is considered a public duty and people tend to take it wholeheartedly. The subject matters of arbitration tend to be family matters such as inheritance, divorce and property.

Eritrean customary laws and dispute resolutions

In Eritrean customary traditions, disputes are mostly resolved through a third party called “Shimglna” that consists of an elderly or religious leader that is acceptable by both parties.

The elderly dealt with many disputes and helped bring about peace in our society, for a long time. The customary laws contributed a lot in resolving disputes, by upholding the principle of love and harmony.

The Eritrean people apply customary laws in many situations to attain love, peace and reconciliation through forgiveness. This they do not only among themselves, but also in their dealings with others.

Sabur wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 08:31

PLEASE !

What are the Rules not compiled in One Book that the Eritrean People follow ?

What was the reason for all the man power, resources, and time spent to draft the constitution, which was initially accepted and ONLY to be rejected 20 years later without any reason ?

“The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting” - Kundera

Where is "The New Constitution that is being drafted " the president told the Eritrean People on National TV ?

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 02:30

For one, I follow no script; hence "zmeselo"! Secondly, my point with the post was to prove countries can exist & prosper with no constitution. There're rules & regulations in Eritrea that people follow, eventhough all those rules are not compiled in 1 book.

Sabur wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 13:17

How will this hgi enda'ba-ሕጊ እንዳ'ባ be applied in Metaht -መታሕት- Eritrea? Will the Eritrean People in Metaht -መታሕት - accept ?

Or will they be forced to follow this "hgi enda'ba - ሕጊ እንዳ'ባ" ?

This hgi enda'ba does not even serve all the Kebesa people of Eritrea let alone the whole Eritrea.

What about those Sharia Laws that some people in Metaht -መታሕት- would want to follow? Will you accept it?

Will the Sharia Law be applicable to those Eritreans from Kebessa -ከበሳ- who live in -in Metaht -መታሕት and vice versa ?

So you want ever region or packet of places to follow their own hgi enda'ba - ሕጊ እንዳ'ባ.

What happened to the declaration of "New Constitution in Process of Drafting" by the president of Eritrea to the Eritrean People on National TV?

The president did not mention about Hgi enda'ba - ሕጊ እንዳ'ባ.

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 10:39

* the ten commandaments

* hgi enda'ba

Come to mind, unless one considers the Eritrean people and society as lawless.

Do we need a constitution? If the majority are for it, then I'm for it too.

And one thing I want to add to Eritreans like you is that I don't talk to Eritreans, in the manner I talk to ugumes- like the 1 who opened this thread- because I know what their intentions are in raising such issues that doesn't concern them at all. I talk to them, disrespectfully. Then suddenly people like you appear who take that personally & start interrogating me, completely missing the fact I'm not addressing any Eritrean. I just don't get it, even after being on this forum for 2 decades now.

THE VALUE OF ERITREAN CUSTOMARY LAWS

NOVEMBER 22, 2019


The Eritrean people apply customary laws in many situations to attain love, peace and reconciliation through forgiveness.

BY STELLA AMANUEL | ERITREA PROFILE

Customary laws set acceptable standards and norms in a given society, and the Eritrean people practice dispute resolution mechanism by using customary laws with a view to achieving reconciliation. It is common for the elderly to act as mediators, conciliators and arbitrators in all kinds of disputes.

Unlike the Western practice, which is retributive, Eritrean customary laws are attributed to restorative justice. The customary laws advocate restoring the wrong doer to society and harmonizing him or her with the community and attaining peaceful co-existence.

The Eritrean customary laws do not recognize the distinction between private and public wrongs, which is the case with the Penal Code. They consider all wrong doing as private in nature. In the old days self-help was the hall mark of customary law.

If a person is proven to have committed a homicide, the victim’s family have the right, in abstract theory, to avenge the homicide with counter-action. To put it in another way, if someone murders a person, the relatives of the deceased may take retribution on anyone from the killer’s family.

In practice, the norm is to seek reconciliation and redress the wrong through marriage or acceptance of monetary compensation.

Recently there was an instance of some guy, who was run over by a car. Unfortunately, the victim lost a lot of blood and died. It was a painful reality to face, for the parents of both the deceased and the driver. Then the parents of the driver went to the family of the deceased, to offer money and other presents. But the victim’s family refused to accept the offer, claiming that the driver did not intend to run over their son. The two families reconciled.

This is the heart of Eritreans, securing peace through forgiveness and reconciliation. In some cases disputants solve their case themselves, without involving third parties. In some other instances, disputants submit their case to a third party called ‘shimagle’. ‘Shimglna’ is a dispute resolution institution that encompasses all types of arbitration, mediation and negotiation.

The ‘shimagle’ may be self-appointed, or nominated by the disputants. Most of the time, the ‘shimagle’ is an elderly person, a religious leader, or a local or community administrator. He has to have wide acceptability by the community, be eloquent and fair. Settlements can be initiated without the knowledge of the disputant parties, upon the consent of relatives. There is often no resistance to the authority of the ‘shimagle’.

The ‘shimagle’ might hide some facts and offers made by one party, if they find them to be offensive to the other party, and try to get the parties to compromise. The ‘shimagle’ are not paid and are not compensated for any expenses they may incur.



The proceedings by the ‘shimagle’ take place in an open air, under the shades of trees, in private houses or any other place agreed upon by the concerned parties. Working as part of the ‘shimagle’ is considered a public duty and people tend to take it wholeheartedly. The subject matters of arbitration tend to be family matters such as inheritance, divorce and property.

Eritrean customary laws and dispute resolutions

In Eritrean customary traditions, disputes are mostly resolved through a third party called “Shimglna” that consists of an elderly or religious leader that is acceptable by both parties.

The elderly dealt with many disputes and helped bring about peace in our society, for a long time. The customary laws contributed a lot in resolving disputes, by upholding the principle of love and harmony.

The Eritrean people apply customary laws in many situations to attain love, peace and reconciliation through forgiveness. This they do not only among themselves, but also in their dealings with others.

Sabur wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 08:31

PLEASE !

What are the Rules not compiled in One Book that the Eritrean People follow ?

What was the reason for all the man power, resources, and time spent to draft the constitution, which was initially accepted and ONLY to be rejected 20 years later without any reason ?

“The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting” - Kundera

Where is "The New Constitution that is being drafted " the president told the Eritrean People on National TV ?

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 02:30

For one, I follow no script; hence "zmeselo"! Secondly, my point with the post was to prove countries can exist & prosper with no constitution. There're rules & regulations in Eritrea that people follow, eventhough all those rules are not compiled in 1 book.

Zmeselo wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 14:17

"Hgi enda'ba" is a general term as you know, meaning "laws of the fathers". So of course the lowland- Eritreans have their own, hgi enda'ba. All the constitutions in this world are written, based on the morals and ethics handed down from fathers to sons. Infact, people like George Washington are called: founding fathers.

But still my intention here is not to advance the theory that that's enough & ok but that it's a stopgap measure & to counter our enemies, who want to paint the country as lawless. At least, that's my mission of being in this forum in general. To defend the country as much as I can, which is construed as defending the regime or the pfdj (which I'm not even a member of). I'm not here to argue with fellow Eritreans, so your question about what happened to the Constitution should be addressed to the president himself.

• the absence of media

• the ban of religions

• jailing without due process

• the absence of parlama

• the absence of cabinet meeting

• Life time presidency

eden wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 20:17

Dawn
I think Reyot is harsher than you are on TPLF. as for the guest, he has more in common with TPLF than PFDJ philosophy on identity or nationalism. I don't you getting him. He has zero negativity towards any nation.

P.S.
zmeslo - Anta sah sah ag'ame!

What does hgi endaba - ሕጊ እንዳባ say on these :

• the absence of media

• the ban of religions

• jailing without due process

• the absence of parlama

• the absence of cabinet meeting

• Life time presidency

the hgi nda'ba says to slaughter each & all who collaborated

Since when is btw, Eritrea known as "little Ethiopia"?

you called Eritrea- little Ethiopia.

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eden wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2021, 22:08

the hgi nda'ba says to slaughter each & all who collaborated

and to whom does the hgi nda'ba give the authority for determination of such designation? Assembly, Court or the life time President?

Since when is btw, Eritrea known as "little Ethiopia"?

Why are you troubled by being defined in terms of Ethiopia? Eritrea during Haileselassie was the very advanced. The video lists those if you care to open your mind. Also watch second video to see how Ethiopian people everywhere accepted Eritrean people.

you called Eritrea- little Ethiopia.

I didn’t call Eritrea as Little Ethiopia. You assumed I did because you didn’t watch the video in which the guest tells a story of a foreign researcher so pressed for time he asked for authorities in Addis to let him visit one province that’s representative of Ethiopia people and they considered many and finally suggested Eritrea because Eritrea, more than any other provinces at the time, reflected and still reflects Ethiopia in terms of ethnicity, religion, livelihood, geography etc etc. Hence, Eritrea = Sample of Ethiopia or Little Ethiopia. All other provinces don’t even come close.

Zemeslo - many are worried at your anti intellectual posts that retard meaningful threads like this one. Why not start using your head anta qodar aga’me. agi’mkan fereqan! 20 years of showcasing your ignorance, enough already!

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eden wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2021, 06:16

Funny you insert yourself and engage Sabur, then you say you are not here to deal with Eritreans. Then you insert yourself and engage Edu only to say you don't engage with a non Eritrean. Typical hgdef trait: avoid dealing with issues at all costs lol

Typical hgdef anti intellectual trait is trying to forward reason and evidence to bring you to their worldview. Then when you show their reasons and evidences are not really sensible, they run away. Your hgdef meakor did just this multiple times just with this thread.

It doesn't matter old timer Sabur or Edu.To you, it's about running away from the issues. It's not about running away from anyone. hgi nda'ba is alien concept with hgdef. Try not breaking yourself trying to defend the indefensible. Hgdef is the antithesis of hgi nda'ba. One is law, the other is outlaw.