The Brilliance of Abiy Government- Hats off to Redwan Hussein, whom I never liked before
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 21:37
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Horus,Horus wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 02:53Everything Redwan described is true and has been known to be the standard modus operandi of American imperialism and its EU water carriers. If is a good thing finally after 30 years of being part of the conspiracy, Redawn, a federal minister tells the truth about American imperialism in black and white. Let us not forget that this is exactly how America put EPDRF in power 30 years ago. This kind of and this level of consciousness is the beginning of becoming free from American imperial control of Ethiopia.
America doesn't feed Ethiopia; Ethiopia sustains the American farmers at the expense of Ethiopian blood, tears, and dignity. America is fueling and perpetuating the Ethiopian crisis. I have many times called for the closure of American Embassy and expelling USAID out of Ethiopia.
Horus wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 02:53Everything Redwan described is true and has been known to be the standard modus operandi of American imperialism and its EU water carriers. If is a good thing finally after 30 years of being part of the conspiracy, Redawn, a federal minister tells the truth about American imperialism in black and white. Let us not forget that this is exactly how America put EPDRF in power 30 years ago. This kind of and this level of consciousness is the beginning of becoming free from American imperial control of Ethiopia.
America doesn't feed Ethiopia; Ethiopia sustains the American farmers at the expense of Ethiopian blood, tears, and dignity. America is fueling and perpetuating the Ethiopian crisis. I have many times called for the closure of American Embassy and expelling USAID out of Ethiopia.
Dawi wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 04:02Horus,Horus wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 02:53Everything Redwan described is true and has been known to be the standard modus operandi of American imperialism and its EU water carriers. If is a good thing finally after 30 years of being part of the conspiracy, Redawn, a federal minister tells the truth about American imperialism in black and white. Let us not forget that this is exactly how America put EPDRF in power 30 years ago. This kind of and this level of consciousness is the beginning of becoming free from American imperial control of Ethiopia.
America doesn't feed Ethiopia; Ethiopia sustains the American farmers at the expense of Ethiopian blood, tears, and dignity. America is fueling and perpetuating the Ethiopian crisis. I have many times called for the closure of American Embassy and expelling USAID out of Ethiopia.
As you know, Redwan was a disciple of Meles's "developmental state" theory of the past/present?; in fact this talk of his reminded of that era; him and Zadig were the best at it then and btw, the logic was fine in theory. The irony is TPLF were doing the opposite of what Meles DS theory said. Ha! Ha!
On NGO, advocates of the theory said, if it adds a penny positive value to the economy, NGO is good to go!
Remember they rent houses, hire help, buy stuff for personal expenses etc. so, kicking such groups out and closing embassies may not be a wise thing to do at this juncture. The coming "sanctions" are dry runs too, in its own right, to see what we're made of.
Let us also see first, if we can be self sufficient in wheat, cooking oil and other basic commodities as planned in a short time. I don't think NGO's are stopping us from doing that.
Cheers!
Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:03Why do we need NGOs if we can lure foreign companies and garment manufacturers away from other African or Asian countries? Who taught two decades ago that the fashion brands H&M, Guess and Levi’s would invest in Ethiopia? Who expected DHL to go into a joint venture in our country?
NGOs are the most obscure organizations in the world. Nobody really knows the details of their fundings and their impact is hard to measure. And what else do they provide other than creating a vicious cycle of dependency? Kenya, for example, is a country infested with NGOs but lately the government realized that they are in fact hurting their country and therefore passed a new rule that basically restricts foreigners. They can only be employed when there is no Kenyan available with the same skills. Likewise, Ethiopia was portrayed as the poster child of foreign aid in the 80s and TPLF was the biggest beneficiary. Why in the world did then Meles curtailed their activities after he came to power? That’s because he knew many things about NGOs that others don’t.
Dawi wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 04:02Horus,Horus wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 02:53Everything Redwan described is true and has been known to be the standard modus operandi of American imperialism and its EU water carriers. If is a good thing finally after 30 years of being part of the conspiracy, Redawn, a federal minister tells the truth about American imperialism in black and white. Let us not forget that this is exactly how America put EPDRF in power 30 years ago. This kind of and this level of consciousness is the beginning of becoming free from American imperial control of Ethiopia.
America doesn't feed Ethiopia; Ethiopia sustains the American farmers at the expense of Ethiopian blood, tears, and dignity. America is fueling and perpetuating the Ethiopian crisis. I have many times called for the closure of American Embassy and expelling USAID out of Ethiopia.
As you know, Redwan was a disciple of Meles's "developmental state" theory of the past/present?; in fact this talk of his reminded of that era; him and Zadig were the best at it then and btw, the logic was fine in theory. The irony is TPLF were doing the opposite of what Meles DS theory said. Ha! Ha!
On NGO, advocates of the theory said, if it adds a penny positive value to the economy, NGO is good to go!
Remember they rent houses, hire help, buy stuff for personal expenses etc. so, kicking such groups out and closing embassies may not be a wise thing to do at this juncture. The coming "sanctions" are dry runs too, in its own right, to see what we're made of.
Let us also see first, if we can be self sufficient in wheat, cooking oil and other basic commodities as planned in a short time. I don't think NGO's are stopping us from doing that.
Cheers!
Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:03Why do we need NGOs if we can lure foreign companies and garment manufacturers away from other African or Asian countries? Who thought two decades ago that the fashion brands H&M, Guess and Levi’s would invest in Ethiopia? Who expected DHL to go into a joint venture in our country?
Dawi wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:23Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:03Why do we need NGOs if we can lure foreign companies and garment manufacturers away from other African or Asian countries? Who thought two decades ago that the fashion brands H&M, Guess and Levi’s would invest in Ethiopia? Who expected DHL to go into a joint venture in our country?
Investments and NGOs are two different things. Even China,India, Russia get NGOs help. They play with the rule of engagements as Meles did; he tried to stop "color" revolutions from sweeping him, other than that, they all take aid money, that is, if it adds a positive economic value to their GDP, no hesitation at all.
Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 13:10You’re conflicting yourself. You said NGOs rent houses, hire help, buy stuff for personal expenses etc. An economy that relies on any kind of foreign charities is unsustainable and dehumanizing. NGOs funded by western governments have been active in Africa for more than half a century but what we are left with is civil war and more poverty and dependency. We should rather try to have our own grassroot NGOs.
Dawi wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:23Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:03Why do we need NGOs if we can lure foreign companies and garment manufacturers away from other African or Asian countries? Who thought two decades ago that the fashion brands H&M, Guess and Levi’s would invest in Ethiopia? Who expected DHL to go into a joint venture in our country?
Investments and NGOs are two different things. Even China,India, Russia get NGOs help. They play with the rule of engagements as Meles did; he tried to stop "color" revolutions from sweeping him, other than that, they all take aid money, that is, if it adds a positive economic value to their GDP, no hesitation at all.
Dawi wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 18:05Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 13:10You’re conflicting yourself. You said NGOs rent houses, hire help, buy stuff for personal expenses etc. An economy that relies on any kind of foreign charities is unsustainable and dehumanizing. NGOs funded by western governments have been active in Africa for more than half a century but what we are left with is civil war and more poverty and dependency. We should rather try to have our own grassroot NGOs.
Dawi wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:23Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:03Why do we need NGOs if we can lure foreign companies and garment manufacturers away from other African or Asian countries? Who thought two decades ago that the fashion brands H&M, Guess and Levi’s would invest in Ethiopia? Who expected DHL to go into a joint venture in our country?
Investments and NGOs are two different things. Even China,India, Russia get NGOs help. They play with the rule of engagements as Meles did; he tried to stop "color" revolutions from sweeping him, other than that, they all take aid money, that is, if it adds a positive economic value to their GDP, no hesitation at all.
Don't demand things beyond your ability; you can't feed yourself; that's what USAID told the deputy PM the other day. Why not do what you're able to like defeat the TPLF now. Shut Getcho's big mouth first! Don't add another war front. I am not saying, don't talk "philosophy" without much action like Redwan; keep doing that! That's harmless.
China didn't start opening her mouth until recently about the "humiliation" of getting aid from the West.
IMO, we should do the same.
Selam/ wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 13:10You’re conflicting yourself. You said NGOs rent houses, hire help, buy stuff for personal expenses etc. An economy that relies on any kind of foreign charities is unsustainable and dehumanizing. NGOs funded by western governments have been active in Africa for more than half a century but what we are left with is civil war and more poverty and dependency. We should rather try to have our own grassroot NGOs.
Dawi wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:23Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:03Why do we need NGOs if we can lure foreign companies and garment manufacturers away from other African or Asian countries? Who thought two decades ago that the fashion brands H&M, Guess and Levi’s would invest in Ethiopia? Who expected DHL to go into a joint venture in our country?
Investments and NGOs are two different things. Even China,India, Russia get NGOs help. They play with the rule of engagements as Meles did; he tried to stop "color" revolutions from sweeping him, other than that, they all take aid money, that is, if it adds a positive economic value to their GDP, no hesitation at all.
Sabur wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 07:34
Agree !!
It is also a lifetime career for people who work for NGO, UN,...
Paid handsomely from a very comfortable well protected Areas, their families live lavishly in Western Countries and their Children Education is paid until they finish college.
So these People would never want to see Wars, and Poverty get eradicated from Poor Countries. They rather see the continuation of Wars, destruction and poverty to maintain the life time careers that are usually passed onto their Children.
How many times did we hear about those rich kids in school "OH, his Dad/Mom works for the UN or NGO" ?
Selam/ wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 13:10You’re conflicting yourself. You said NGOs rent houses, hire help, buy stuff for personal expenses etc. An economy that relies on any kind of foreign charities is unsustainable and dehumanizing. NGOs funded by western governments have been active in Africa for more than half a century but what we are left with is civil war and more poverty and dependency. We should rather try to have our own grassroot NGOs.
Dawi wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:23Selam,Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:03Why do we need NGOs if we can lure foreign companies and garment manufacturers away from other African or Asian countries? Who thought two decades ago that the fashion brands H&M, Guess and Levi’s would invest in Ethiopia? Who expected DHL to go into a joint venture in our country?
Investments and NGOs are two different things. Even China,India, Russia get NGOs help. They play with the rule of engagements as Meles did; he tried to stop "color" revolutions from sweeping him, other than that, they all take aid money, that is, if it adds a positive economic value to their GDP, no hesitation at all.
Selam & Sabur,Selam/ wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 10:27Oh yes, that’s part of the seduction game. Once you lure the elites into joining NGOs, they will fight tooth and nail to keep the high paying jobs. I suspect though that most people want our country to be independent but they don’t want to pay the price. But we can’t have it both ways.
Sabur wrote: ↑Today, 07:34
Agree !!
It is also a lifetime career for people who work for NGO, UN,...
Paid handsomely from a very comfortable well protected Areas, their families live lavishly in Western Countries and their Children Education is paid until they finish college.
So these People would never want to see Wars, and Poverty get eradicated from Poor Countries. They rather see the continuation of Wars, destruction and poverty to maintain the life time careers that are usually passed onto their Children.
How many times did we hear about those rich kids in school "OH, his Dad/Mom works for the UN or NGO" ?
Dawi wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 22:27Selam & Sabur,Selam/ wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 10:27Oh yes, that’s part of the seduction game. Once you lure the elites into joining NGOs, they will fight tooth and nail to keep the high paying jobs. I suspect though that most people want our country to be independent but they don’t want to pay the price. But we can’t have it both ways.
Sabur wrote: ↑Today, 07:34
Agree !!
It is also a lifetime career for people who work for NGO, UN,...
Paid handsomely from a very comfortable well protected Areas, their families live lavishly in Western Countries and their Children Education is paid until they finish college.
So these People would never want to see Wars, and Poverty get eradicated from Poor Countries. They rather see the continuation of Wars, destruction and poverty to maintain the life time careers that are usually passed onto their Children.
How many times did we hear about those rich kids in school "OH, his Dad/Mom works for the UN or NGO" ?
So be it; let them get paid handsomely; remember, you're the receiving edge. The donors create jobs for their own people and you receive the left overs. They subsidize their farmers here & the over grown food is sent to you as food aid; that keeps markets stable. Why are you complaining? I am not saying do it like TPLF, make 1.2 million people food aid dependent for 2 generation but,........anyway, you should get out of poverty as soon as you can in a decade or two.
I've said it before, China, Russia accept NGOs as we speak; they don't bad mouth them; even though they are able to feed their own people. What makes you feel you're better/smarter to bad mouth & demand of closing down all NGOS when you' can't even produce enough food to feed yourself?![]()
I don't get it! Sabur is even jealous of the "rich kids" whose parents work for UN? Are you for real or the Taliban Inc.? You're pathetic.
Selam/ wrote: ↑28 Aug 2021, 09:12You sound like a 50-year-old child, who still lives at home with his parents, mooching of their dwindling resources. Fearing that you are incapable of starting your own life, they feed you and share with you all what they have left without demanding anything from you. Having never been forced to move out, you lost the courage to live on your own. Whereas your childhood friend rebelled against his parents and moved out at age 12. Sleeping on a cardboard at night and eating a loaf of bread a day, he became a coolie and then a shoeshiner and street vendor, selling a lottery and chew sticks. 20 years later, he got his own sook across your parents house. Now you tell me who the failure is. An able-bodied adult should never depend on others permanently.
Dawi wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 22:27Selam & Sabur,Selam/ wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 10:27Oh yes, that’s part of the seduction game. Once you lure the elites into joining NGOs, they will fight tooth and nail to keep the high paying jobs. I suspect though that most people want our country to be independent but they don’t want to pay the price. But we can’t have it both ways.
Sabur wrote: ↑Today, 07:34
Agree !!
It is also a lifetime career for people who work for NGO, UN,...
Paid handsomely from a very comfortable well protected Areas, their families live lavishly in Western Countries and their Children Education is paid until they finish college.
So these People would never want to see Wars, and Poverty get eradicated from Poor Countries. They rather see the continuation of Wars, destruction and poverty to maintain the life time careers that are usually passed onto their Children.
How many times did we hear about those rich kids in school "OH, his Dad/Mom works for the UN or NGO" ?
So be it; let them get paid handsomely; remember, you're the receiving edge. The donors create jobs for their own people and you receive the left overs. They subsidize their farmers here & the over grown food is sent to you as food aid; that keeps markets stable. Why are you complaining? I am not saying do it like TPLF, make 1.2 million people food aid dependent for 2 generation but,........anyway, you should get out of poverty as soon as you can in a decade or two.
I've said it before, China, Russia accept NGOs as we speak; they don't bad mouth them; even though they are able to feed their own people. What makes you feel you're better/smarter to bad mouth & demand of closing down all NGOS when you' can't even produce enough food to feed yourself?![]()
I don't get it! Sabur is even jealous of the "rich kids" whose parents work for UN? Are you for real or the Taliban Inc.? You're pathetic.
Dawi wrote: ↑28 Aug 2021, 17:17Selam,
This is a leftist view that destroyed our country. I suppose you support the nationalization of property/land?
I am not against family inheritance; not everyone starts from scratch however, the State need to establish a progressive tax system.
I use to support your kind of view, not anymore. Sorry!
Selam/ wrote: ↑28 Aug 2021, 09:12You sound like a 50-year-old child, who still lives at home with his parents, mooching of their dwindling resources. Fearing that you are incapable of starting your own life, they feed you and share with you all what they have left without demanding anything from you. Having never been forced to move out, you lost the courage to live on your own. Whereas your childhood friend rebelled against his parents and moved out at age 12. Sleeping on a cardboard at night and eating a loaf of bread a day, he became a coolie and then a shoeshiner and street vendor, selling a lottery and chew sticks. 20 years later, he got his own sook across your parents house. Now you tell me who the failure is. An able-bodied adult should never depend on others permanently.
Dawi wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 22:27Selam & Sabur,Selam/ wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 10:27Oh yes, that’s part of the seduction game. Once you lure the elites into joining NGOs, they will fight tooth and nail to keep the high paying jobs. I suspect though that most people want our country to be independent but they don’t want to pay the price. But we can’t have it both ways.
Sabur wrote: ↑Today, 07:34
Agree !!
It is also a lifetime career for people who work for NGO, UN,...
Paid handsomely from a very comfortable well protected Areas, their families live lavishly in Western Countries and their Children Education is paid until they finish college.
So these People would never want to see Wars, and Poverty get eradicated from Poor Countries. They rather see the continuation of Wars, destruction and poverty to maintain the life time careers that are usually passed onto their Children.
How many times did we hear about those rich kids in school "OH, his Dad/Mom works for the UN or NGO" ?
So be it; let them get paid handsomely; remember, you're the receiving edge. The donors create jobs for their own people and you receive the left overs. They subsidize their farmers here & the over grown food is sent to you as food aid; that keeps markets stable. Why are you complaining? I am not saying do it like TPLF, make 1.2 million people food aid dependent for 2 generation but,........anyway, you should get out of poverty as soon as you can in a decade or two.
I've said it before, China, Russia accept NGOs as we speak; they don't bad mouth them; even though they are able to feed their own people. What makes you feel you're better/smarter to bad mouth & demand of closing down all NGOS when you' can't even produce enough food to feed yourself?![]()
I don't get it! Sabur is even jealous of the "rich kids" whose parents work for UN? Are you for real or the Taliban Inc.? You're pathetic.
Astaghfirullah !!Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 05:25Correct, I was just fascinated by the courage of our government to put out such a narrative in public media at this time. It was artfully and comprehensively formulated. He painted anonymous labels to the perpetrators but of course it is obvious what he was referring to and Uncle Sam will see its name transcribed in boldface. So, recognizing our illness and speaking about it is the first step towards healing or independence. And that demonstrates the level of confidence Abiy has in what he is doing. I wish every Ethiopian is taught about these facts in high school, so they understand that independence & self-sufficiency is the only path for sustainable development & prosperity. Our for-fathers understood this.
Misraq wrote: ↑10 Feb 2024, 16:04Astaghfirullah !!Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 05:25Correct, I was just fascinated by the courage of our government to put out such a narrative in public media at this time. It was artfully and comprehensively formulated. He painted anonymous labels to the perpetrators but of course it is obvious what he was referring to and Uncle Sam will see its name transcribed in boldface. So, recognizing our illness and speaking about it is the first step towards healing or independence. And that demonstrates the level of confidence Abiy has in what he is doing. I wish every Ethiopian is taught about these facts in high school, so they understand that independence & self-sufficiency is the only path for sustainable development & prosperity. Our for-fathers understood this.
Astaghfirullah !!Selam/ wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 05:25Correct, I was just fascinated by the courage of our government to put out such a narrative in public media at this time. It was artfully and comprehensively formulated. He painted anonymous labels to the perpetrators but of course it is obvious what he was referring to and Uncle Sam will see its name transcribed in boldface. So, recognizing our illness and speaking about it is the first step towards healing or independence. And that demonstrates the level of confidence Abiy has in what he is doing. I wish every Ethiopian is taught about these facts in high school, so they understand that independence & self-sufficiency is the only path for sustainable development & prosperity. Our for-fathers understood this.